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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama. Girl Drama, Girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl sharing for the drama Queen's Girl Fashion. But your tough girls, you can sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama, Queen's Ladies and Gentlemen, Season two, Episode twelve, Between order and Randomness. Okay, here's the quick. The quick rundown is that Nathan tells Haley about his past gross but Haley continues to keep her emails with the secret. That's a good call back. Um. Karen decides to make Lucas's life as miserable as possible until he takes the heart test, and she asks Andy over while his house is in contractor's hands, and Dan hosts and even cooks for dinner with Keith and Jewels. Um baby, there was a lot of cat and mouse in this episode. I don't know how many people were super waiting for this episode in particular, but I really enjoyed this episode. It's picking up from a lot of the drama that we left off with with um Anna and Peyton in the last episode, and Felix and Brooke a lot of drama with Keith and Dan and Deb and Jewels and I mean, guys, that dinner scene when Keith and Dan, when Dan invites Juels and Keith over for dinner with Deb and then he's just playing the whole night. Oh okay, we'll get into it. That was like, I know, but he does it so well that it's just so delicious. He's like good villain. He's such a good villain. And we and you will get into that. Um well, you guys will get into it. Um because I have a flight to catch, so I'm only here with you guys for a few minutes. You tell us, what do you want us to talk about? We this was the episode where Anna said that thing that we talked about in the last episode. Look at all these people. They figured out what they want and they managed to find it. Um. So, I just thought that was just so interesting. And you know, you can listen to our last episode. But what did we call it? What did we call it? The myths? What was it? The perfect I said it should be the title, the perfect Myth, Perfect Myth. This idea. I couldn't do it. We all do it. Um. I Brooke does her Norma ray in this episode with the Lobsters the Masters. That was larious. I totally forgot about the lobster. It's so good. I got crabs at Carl's good God. And when he's like, I could get crabs anytime I want. When you guys are all threatening to what do you think it means, sir, Nope, not at all. Um. Lucas seems to be always stuck with people marriage bombing him like big suprise. Look, yeah, I feel like we need I feel like we need um oh my god, I feel like we need a montage of Lucas's face every time someone tells him we're getting married or somebody pat please, that's what we want. And this little fun thing this was the appearance of the phrase Hailey Bob, which the first time we ever heard this, and Lindsay McKeon says it as Taylor. Um, but the thing was in the script it was Hailey Bob like it was a little nickname. And this is a very little known fact because, um, I don't know how at some point in the writer's room it's spun out and into somebody decided Bob should be Haley's middle name as like a joke, as like, I don't know, it's just because why not Lucas Eugene, Haley Bob and so something, because that's the way that she said. They were like, well she said Haley Bob, but everybody went, oh no, no, nobody will ever notice, will change it to Bob. And so it showed even on the subtitles on the TV because sometimes I have those on when we're watching together because I don't want to, um have it up too loud, and it said Haley Bob. But I knew, remember weird joy Like it's so so weird. Yeah, I mean, as someone that gave my daughter a boy name, UM, I appreciate it. I appreciate that kind of like dual masculine feminine energy, but totally Bob lacks formality, and Haley is such like a Robert. I couldn't have been a Robert. Come on, Haley has a lot of first names. Baby, that's it is, you know, So that's kind of fun. Bob, that's the tattoo we should all get. Just like so it's so random and non secretary people are like, what my dad's name is Bob, so then people will be like, you got your dad's name tattooed on your body? Is that weird? Did he feel like it was a nod to him? He was just like, I don't think so funny. That's that's when you know that the writers are working to like two o'clock in the morning, because someone got punchy and was like, funny, I'll be really great. Oh my gosh. Well, friends, I have a flight to catch today, so I'm not going to be in this whole episode. But I love you guys, and talk amongst yourselves. I've got our orders. See you soon. This one was intense, the constant back and forth and and and the anchoring really of the tension in this episode between what Dan is doing to Keith, Jules and Lucas and deb and what Taylor is doing to Haley and Nathan. It is Can I just tell you the only safe space in this whole episode was broken Felix, like they were the only gentle space in the whole episode. Um, okay, well, so let's start at the beginning. Like Brooke is getting is this her first job? I think it's Brooks first ever job. I love that I love that, and it's looking at Carl's crabshack. Your first job should be embarrassing. That just seems like part of the deal. I also just love the start. She's so unwilling to give up. She is relentless and willing to be open and say, listen, this is the reason I need this job. I'm not giving up my car. You know I'm super I'm great with people. Just trust me. I'll be a good hire. And he says, well, you know, you can't be a waitress. I have a PR job. And she's so excited, honestly, just like, oh, PR, that's that's what I'm an expert at. I'm fantastic at this. Um Also, I look great and red was my favorite of Brooks, the silver lining of the whole situation. What was your first job? God? I had so really early on. Uh, I started being a babysitter for kids all in my neighborhood. I was always taking care of other people's kids. I eventually became, you know, like a counselor and training and a camp counselor. But I would have to I can totally see it was one of the real babysitter club girls like oh, it just like hit me. I loved those books. Yeah, I bet you did. You were definitely like a yeah yeah, one of one of the two little boys that I eventually was like close closer to being a nanny than a babysitter for when I was in high school, invited me to his wedding. Like my neighborhood kids were just saying no, they were just the sweetest. Um. But job job, like, because watching kids was fun for me, I had to do job jobs working for my dad every summer, and I was so mad. I was like, everyone's going to the mall and I have to like run film and edit stuff and you know, go go to the photo lab and hold reflectors and repaint floors and take out the trash. Like. My dad was like, oh, you're the boss's kid. You think you're getting any privileges. I'm gonna give you all the jobs nobody wants to do. And I did them. I was. I was basically like a p a for years every summer working at the studio. That makes so much sense. I mean that's kind of how jobs used to work. You would apprentice under someone in your family until you master yourself. Um, It's probably why you're a good director because you know exactly what you want to look at. Um, yeah, that's true. Actually, yeah, that's I mean that I wish I hadn't been I wish I hadn't been such a salty teen and I've actually paid attention to the technicality of Vogue shoots super glamorous. Yeah, and and I was just looking around like I can't believe I have to be here. And now people will say, oh, well, you know your dad was a photographer, So how do I how do I reset the I S O on my camera? And I'm like, I don't know of what you speak. I don't know what that means. I wasn't paying attention to know how to set up a shot, but I have no idea how a camera works. I'm so sorry. Yeah, they're so sorry. Dad. Maybe there's time. You've got like three your first story, more jobs in you. Um, I got a job. You could You could work in Virginia when you were fifteen if you had a workers permit. And so literally, like the second I was able to work, I filled out whatever paperwork I could because I was about that money. Honey. That's like what I was into. And the place where all of the like cool dudes worked was the Sports Authority and I I was like, well, I want to be there because I feel like it was all the dudes on, Like isn't that terrible that I just wanted to work where the dudes were whatever it m It was like all the track team and the soccer players and they were like cool, and you know, so I went and I applied for a job and the guy that worked there was so gross, smelly old Jim. He had this tupae with like the glue would run down his head and he was so mean. And I would get in trouble all the time because I never did add on sales. They would have secret shoppers and they're like, you have to do an ad on sale, Hillary, and so I would always be scored really poorly. But I just think add on sales are tacky, Like if someone wants to come in for a pair of shoes, I'm not going to offer that's all they want. Come on, don't ruin someone's day. And and so I started carrying around whistles because I was like, if I have to do an ad on sale, I'll just start doing whistles. And so that was like my thing I'm like, do you want to whistle with that parabike shorts? But it was a creep job for a young girl because there was a guy. They were like guys that would come in and be like, hey, where are the speedos? And then they'd like call you into the dressing room to be like how does this look? And you're just like, man, I don't know, I'm a kid. I don't want to look at that. No. And then in that shopping complex, this was like a major scandal. There was a guy that was obsessed with like teenage girls feet and he would go from shop to shop and like want to look at your feet? And it was so weird. But I had like one friend that worked at the staples and another worked at like the supermarket, and we'd all compare notes, were like, it's the fund guy back girls. It's scary for teenage girls to go out into the workforce. I mean, we had a felon that worked in our back room who like said, he's like, oh no, I definitely murdered this guy, but I got off on a technicality and he was always like I've said this, Like he was like, you look like nicky kidman For girls to go out into the workforce. It is frightening. Uh, boys just get to go to work. Girls have to go into environments where they're under threat and people. Some people will roll their eyes and say, that's an exaggeration. It isn't. No, my brothers have my brothers all worked in the same shopping complex. Not one of them had the funk guy come after them. Yeah, exactly. It's like grown men, just stop it, stop it. Let us go to work. Well, let us let us just addresses crabs and do our job and yeah, man and organized like Sally Field. God, I loved that. I loved having that moment because what I realized it was for Brooke as much as creepy Carl sounds like your boss from the Carl was just a smarmy guy who knew he could take advantage of young women who were in these situations. And there is that line in the episode that sometimes people do crazy things when they're desperate, and you know, it cuts to Jewels trying to figure out what to do, but it's true of really the both of us in this episode, Jewels and Brooke are having this kind of mirrored experience in the same way that you see you know, Dan and Taylor having a mirrored experience. And I loved seeing Brooke awaken to the potential of her mind and and igniting that justice flame. That was one of those places where I was like, Oh, they're starting to pull me into this character exactly exactly. We've all gotten those moments like joy with her music and you know, like I've said, me was slowing down with Jake and the bisexuality and stuff like that. Like I felt very seen like you organizing, you being a leader, like them tapping into that part of you. Is so rewarding to watch because it's not even Brooke. It's like, that's my friend, Sophia. She's here to burn down. I'm ready. She brought the matches. Yeah. But but and what I like is that you see the the dynamics shifting even between her and Felix when she's telling him what's up, when she says, stop it with the money, I'll make my own money. I'll figure out all of this myself. I want to be independent. I don't want to be like my mom. And in then in this episode, she gets this job and she knows it's wrong. She knows it must be illegal to not give people breaks she knows it's not right that they have to rent their own costumes. It's ridiculous, and he says, go the legal route, and she does all the research. She pulls up the information on OSHA. She gets versed in what is legal in the state and what unions can do, and it it makes her feel good. And you can see it, even when he jumps behind her on the bed and it's like, well, what are we doing. Okay, I'll help. She's got a project and it's for her, and then she decides she wants to be the class president. I love it. It's it's so sexy that he helps though, Like I yes, that is my favorite part about any relationship, whether it's a romance or a friendship, a relationship with your family members. Like being collaborative on something is so intimate and awesome. And this is like the first time I really liked Felix um me too. These last two episodes. All of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I get it. I get it. He's handsome and now he's helpful and he's he's dropped the like bad boy facade, which is so refreshing. Yeah, well, you know, I'm still confused as to why he got mad at Lucas for breaking up with Anna. But the end result is this like lovely friendship between Anna and Lucas that's happened. And I think it's very important to show a boy being supportive of Anna's exploration because a lot of times that gender line gets drawn and it's like, oh, this is something I can only talk about, you know, with girls, or this is you know this broch um. Him being like a thoughtful, sensitive listener that isn't making it perverse or isn't like turning it into a maxim arm all. Uh, it's good. Lucas had some really lovely moments, he really did, and and I loved the parallel of them going for these walks. The first walk during the day along the river by the river court, and he does make a joke. He's like, oh, I'm picturing it, but he's joking. Yeah. He makes it so clear that he's joking. Chad did such a good read on that, And what's nice is it allows her, rather than feeling exposed, to tease him and be like, oh, don't be such a guy, because this is part of what she's afraid of is that people are going to tokenize her experience, and and then later when they go on their second walk at night down on the river front and she looks at all the people. It's what Joyce said last week. She says, look at all these people. They know what they want, they haven't figured out. It's such an iconic or perhaps that's not the right word, it's it's a timely confession. At the time that we were representing this on screen, there was still a lot of societal talk of your one or the other. And if you say you're by, you're just you know, I think it was a sex in the city line. Oh, if you say you're by, you're just on the train to gay town. Like you. Bisexuality is an identity. Some people are very drawn to both sexes. Good for you, by the way, double your dating pool. The world is literally your oyster. And when at the time, why wouldn't you. At the time, it wasn't something people were as comfortable with or as honest about as we are now. And I love looking back and seeing how beautifully Daniella played this person just trying to figure out who she is and worrying that something's wrong with her, that she can't check a box. But by the way her finally checking up on the dating profile was yes, huge for this time. I do think kids now can appreciate what like a major deal. It was. Major people's careers were being imploded over being outed during these years, you know. And there were like certain actors that came out and they were told like, oh, you'll never play straight again, you know. And so there was a lot of trauma around speaking your truth or or talking about your sexual identity. So for our show to kind of have a safe space where m H people could put their toe in and be like, oh, well it's okay in Tree Hill, like canna be okay in my world too, um and I and I liked that. We didn't we didn't make it seem too easy. We didn't just say, oh, look here's this by character and everyone loves her and accepts her. We allowed for the journey to be what the journey of coming out has been for so many people. I'm scared to tell my family. People have made up things about me, They've said things about me, Rumors have spread. I feel bullied. I feel terrified to own my identity. And hopefully the first person you tell her, the second person you tell the people who you feel like you can trust, will love you and be patient with you and say I'm here, You've got me, let me know when you're ready to keep going. That is an experience that so many of my friends had, so many of us had, And I really, for all the things our show did wrong, I loved how this was handled. I wonder who was consulting on this? Do you know what I mean? I know, because we weren't really privy to what was going on in l A at this time. Necessarily, Yeah, I'd be curious because it is done tenderly. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's seeing you reference when she decides to click either and she has this remember the either the either button? That was a big deal. Well, by the way, looking back, there's only a male female, there's no non binary option, but there's seeking male female either. And the look of pride when she clicks it, and you said, oh, I love this. You know, it was one of the moments that you exclaimed over while we watched it. Well, I remember, like when I first moved to New York and you'd get like the Village Voice, or you'd get local news papers and they were always classified in the back back in the paper days back in the Stone Age, and I remember moving to New York and seeing women seeking women and men seeking men and being like, oh my God, like I finally arrived in a city that's like like open minded, yeah, open, And I remember just like kind of thrilling over that because I didn't know that that was you know, that it existed outside of my small town in Virginia. Um, it was. It was cool. And so for us to show it on national television to an audience of teenagers, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. You know what I like about that point you make, because I've talked a lot about how privileged I felt as a young person to grow up in a house where my father was an artist, because it meant that I grew up in a very diverse, very queer community, and I know not everybody has that privilege. And I know one of the things we bonded about early was that community being the best home for us. And and what's always been really interesting to me with you know, your experience, or the experiences of fans of our show who have opened up to us, or even the experience of advocating politically, is there are people who come from you know, places like you're describing small town in Virginia who maybe don't think they'll have anything in common with us, who say the things we don't love to hear. Well, you know, you go to the cities and everybody's queer and ever that the other, and it's like it's like, well you coastal people, it's and it's like, well, actually, the cool thing about a city if you come hang out in it, is that everybody lives side by side and everybody just lets everybody else do what they want to do. Everybody's happy. There's a reason people who live in communities that are diverse vote for everyone who could be considered other than them to have the same rights they do. Because when you know people, you know people and you love people. And it was nice I thought to represent that reality not on a show that took place in New York or Chicago or l a or Miami, but on a show that took place in a small town in North Carolina. That was probably the most important part is normalizing it in a way because we've talked about all the other teen dramas that take place you know, in like high for you know, they're not realistic settings it's all wish fulfillment. And if our show was anything, it was like, these kids are average until we all had like amazing careers later until we all turn into stars. Um. You know, Lucas is a very good friend to so many people in this episode. The Anna thing is is wonderful because she's the one place where he can dump all the things he's handling. He's dealing with his mother inviting another man into the home, which is massive, He's dealing with uh, Keith finding out that Keith slept with deb like bombshell, and then especially after Keith proposed to his mom right right, and then kid proposes to Lucas mom and then sleeps with Lucas's mom's best friend who also happens to be married to lucas real dad, Like this sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer, What's happening? And then the new bartender that works at his mom's bar just happens to be Keith's new girlfriend, who he finds out is like not an escort but close, you know, like she's being paid to date Keith, and it's it's a ton of information for a young person. It's a ton of process, but it's a lot. And you know what you just reminded me of. We were talking about this when we watched. It's a fascinating parallel because it is that's a lot for a teenager to try to make sense of, and especially because Jules says to him, it's real. I met Keith because of Dan, but I love Keith. I love him please. And what I loved was the scene where Luke and Nate meet at the River Court and Nate doesn't know what Lucas is talking about, but Lucas starts asking Nathan about how his set up with Haley to screw over his brother became real because it's the same thing Dan and Jules are doing the Keith what Nathan was using Haley to do to Lucas. So Lucas is saying, well, maybe you can lie a little to protect someone if it turns out okay. In the end, Haley almost left Nathan when she found out, even though Nathan had really fallen in love with her. So you see how this boy is trying to make this insane circumstance relative to what he knows in any way, it's a really well written episode. Well, yes, and you mentioned this the parallels between Taylor and Dan are sociopaths. I think that's what's so exhausting about this episode is like we can deal with one Dan, put two of them come two dances a lot. Yeah, they revel in making other people uncomfortable. And like we've been around people like, oh yeah, they revel in making other people uncomfortable. They both I kept getting the vision while we were watching the episode of Just Twisting the Knife they're both knife twisters. Have you ever been around those people that want to get caught? Like it's like their mother didn't reprimand them when they were little, and they're like, I want you to yell at me. And that's what it feels like. Both Dan and Taylor are just like somebody, somebody stopped me. You know, I'm a bad baby, Yes, and it you know what it feels like as well to me watching Taylor in this episode, the way she she continues for what reason after the last episode, will never know. She continues to throw herself at Nathan to get undressed in front of him to tease him sexually. There are people, and I think we see them more represented archetypeal ly in stories as women because people love to villainize women. There are people who really get off on getting married people to cheat on their spouses with them. Weird like, and I've I've seen it, like I've I've been around it. I will not say who, but I years ago I was around someone who loved being able to get men cheat on their wives with her what And I was like observing this whole thing, just going what the is this dynamic? But for people who are like mortally wounded and think they're broken, there's no higher compliment than I'm so special. This person would blow up their life for me, Oh God. And I think that's the dynamic that they're writing for Taylor in this episode, and it gives me the like it gives me like the chill bumps on my bones, not on my skin, you know what I mean. Gross. I mean, she does compare herself to that scorpion where it stings itself to death. You know. Yes, it's interesting that they chose like a metaphor like that that Haley very quickly debunks and it's like that's not true, Like it doesn't do that, and they couldn't. They couldn't have found something that actually harms itself, you know, like a Fox that chooses leg Off in a trap um. The reason I kind of liked that though, was that it was such a tutor girl moment for Haley. It gave the It gave the moment of comic relief in a scene where Joy is playing so much pain and so much fear. God, she was beautiful on that scene her And when Lindsay, you know, when Taylor reaches over and robs Haley's cheek to wipe her tears away, I was like, Oh, and that's where you see the You see the softness in Taylor, you see the girl under the scorpion, and you want her to be that girl. Well, it was in the same way that sometimes we root for Dan. You want her to be that girl. That was the scene where when she went to wipe the tears, like, oh my god, she looks just like best in this scene. Like you said that, the similarity between Lindsay and the actress who plays Joey's mother doing that same physical action of like comforting Haley. They look so similar and so you can see the the family in that interaction and the beautiful, beautiful shot I mean Bethany Rooney. Again, episodes directed by women just have something. Bethany Rooney did that shot of them both from behind, sitting on the balcony ledge in their layered t shirts with their tattoos sticking out, and you saw the sameness. You saw how how different they are. One's tattoos symbolizes, you know, self sabotage and one symbolizes young love. But these two sisters, it's that same thing. They're kind of meeting. They come from opposite ends of the circle and they meet in the middle, and that's the stuff that you go, oh, please let it be that, let them find their way. Any Rooney is such a good director. I've worked with her on a couple of different shows. Um. She's one of those people that you just text with every once in a while where you're like, I'm so glad you're still in my life. UM. And she she was a really safe space for us on this show, Like she was a good person to be able to turn to. UM. And you know, there's so much darkness in this episode. Do you ever think that our visiting directors would get scripts and just be like, well, Jesus, like, what how do I how do I navigate this? This is a lot of there's a lot of trauma here. Um, you know, I think what? I Yeah, it must be intense to receive that, especially if you haven't been able to watch all the episodes beforehand. They hadn't aired yet, So how do you get a scream like this where you're like, what's going on at this dinner party? Like? Who? What? When? Where? How? Yeah? They must give them at least a couple of scripts on paper before but if yeah, I'd want to be able to see the episode to really know what the dynamics are. I mean that dinner party. You and I were both like, gross, make this end right now. It was so uncomfortable, and and Keith sitting there thinking Dan is poking at him over jewels and deb and Jewels sitting there knowing Dan is poking her over her and Keith and everyone's in a misdirect and poor Barbara is just sitting there trying to make it right. And by the way, honorable mentioned for that tube top and matching scarf, you guys, I I kid you not. I was like, I want to wear that outfit now. I'm gonna order a tubetop and a scarf now. And I'm excited about I'm doing the next podcast in the scarf. You won't even see the tube top. I'll just crop like you look naked. Yeah, Hillary is in her scarf again, Um, yes, and and so and I guess I was curious and like, why is Deb involved in this? Because I know that they were kind of working together to break up Nathan and Haley, but this seems like out of that pact, Like are they like on the Apple again? It seems like they're working on getting back together, especially when you open on the I, you know, especially when you open on the moment where Dan says, let's invite them over and he's researching recipes and Deb is like looking at him like, oh my god, he's gonna cook dinner. And then she says this isn't just a way for you to pile on Keith, is it? And and Dan, god, what a line. He says, well, you and Karen both slept with me and your friend. My god, I wrote that down too, And so Deb is kind of like, well, I guess I should give it a shot. And then dinner starts and Dan is awful, that's it. It's like you gotta have like you just gotta call it, Like Deb ten minutes in should have been like, you know what we're gonna I'm gonna go light something on fire in the kitchen so that we can end. Yeah. I would have loved it if she was like, Dan, you said you weren't going to do this, and you're doing it. You're going home, Like she needs to just be a mom and be like everybody outright. He's grounded. The cops are showing up. You all gotta go home. Um, who did Luke say there's a line you don't cross? I wrote that down. Did he say that to Keith? Oh? Yes, about debt? About debt? And you and I both were like, tell me more, tell me more, Lucas, remember you guys. Hillary literally shouted Lucas is telling Keith about lines you don't cross, you know. And he's like he's like dad Stan's wife. And Hillary and I are sitting here going yeah, and we're and Peyton and Brook are best friends. Yeah, we're like sister wives friend. Um, Lucas has Keith on a pedestal, and good, he needs that person to have on a pedestal. But I think by also witnessing the person you look up to fail a little bit, yes, it validates your own failure. Like It's almost like Lucas needed to see that his hero did the same dome ship he did, so that he's like, oh, well, Keith's not a bad guy, so maybe I'm not a bad guy. Like maybe we all just do this. I think it's so important and something that I love. In this episode, Craig Shefferd does this so beautifully as Keith, he holds space for Lucas is upset as a teenager. When he tells Lucas what happened with Deb, he admits to him, it's such a strong choice to say, I'm not proud of what happened with Deb and that's the only reason I kept it a secret from you. You understand that, right. He admits to a boy that he is ashamed of his actions, and he lets Lucas go away and sit with it, which is important, Like I don't like to make people change their mind right away, you know, Like sitting with information is so healthy because then you you get to work out the entire journey in your own head. It makes sense. You got you got to give people space sometimes to process and to figure out what it is they're triggered by in the story you're telling. And that's why. I loved that Lucas came full circle with Keith, came back to him and said, I've done some things I'm not proud of. He admitted his own shame. Yeah, he apologized for the way he reacted because he realized they're both just people who make mistakes. But like, honestly, poor Lucas, like no one tells him anything, like if and he just walks into his house like surprise, surprise, Keith is all of a sudden engaged, you know, like everyone is just like dropping information on this boy. And I don't know if our writers consciously did that or or it was just like a habit that was like, oh, we'll get a better reaction if we totally ambush this child. Um. Well, I think they love the surprise scenes because it allows for shock value for the audience. Yeah, but I would have loved if Keith had aid Lucas go out and like go ring shopping with him, you know, like that reveal of we got we're getting engaged, we got married, we've already done it with Nathan and Haley, you know. Joyce said that, So, Um, I would have loved that slow burn of I'm going to make you as involved as possible with this elaborate lie. Um, yeah, that would have been juicy. Um. I do appreciate the Taylor redemption. You know, Dan is never redeemed Dan. It just whereas he's going to the basketball court at the end of the episode to make things worse right and to involve Lucas, Taylor does the exact opposite and gets on that computer and it's like, Chris Keller, you better scram leave me alone. I don't want you. You see her making a choice to stand up for her sister, and I wonder if it's because as uncomfortable as it was for them, Nathan and Haley model that the only way out is through. You got to tell the truth, even if it's and Taylor's like, well, maybe I could do that. Yeah, it was probably easy. But then Haley doesn't tell the truth to Nathan. She sure doesn't. She just she she just keeps walking on that river court trying to kiss him. She keeps it a secret, Anna, and she says to him what happened in the past doesn't matter. Oh, like, baby, your your past was a week ago. I actually thought that was a brilliant line that they wrote for Taylor. You're you know, remember she said, you bitching about your husband's past when you have a present, when you have a present, st Haley is just as bad as the rest of us. Shots fired, well, but Haley and gets some very big She uses big language, like like impactful language, and she says, this is all really confusing. And so if if you have someone you're close to that like always has the right answer and always makes the right decision for them to admit I'm confused. That's a big confession. And then she goes on to say, I'm jealous of what Chris has. Like confusion and jealousy are two very embarrassing things to admit. Yes, And I love that she clarifies, I am jealous of his music. I am jealous of his freedom to pursue it. Because Hailey feels like she has to choose between the husband that she loves and the career that she wants. Because the doorway to the career that she wants is a man who kissed her. Yeo, girls, come on now, Yeah, yeah, that's it. And and it's hard to see that there are other wars, there are doors that don't involve man. Uh. And that's the thing that's that's really difficult as a young person is that you do think like, if I don't take advantage of this opportunity, there's no promise that there will be another one. And honestly, like, as an adult, I'm here to say, yes, there will be, you know, like, if something feels bad, find a different door. Yes, And and I will say I think it is important to admit we know how scary it is to take the leap, because sure there might not be another door. That's reality. But more often than not, we have learned from some things we've shared with all of you, and from some things we only share with ourselves, that that if you deny walking through a door that is dangerous or makes you feel bad, even if it takes a while, another door will for you because that thing is meant for you. Yeah. The patience, the aptitude to be patient is part of claiming what you want. Well, and if I guess you know, just to be personal about it, when you let that bad open door, let's just keep we're gonna play with that metaphor Okay, when you let that um exist, when you're like, Okay, I guess this is the way I'm going to achieve the thing that I love the thing that I'm passionate about. Mm hmm. It can destroy the thing you love in a way you can destroy you. Well. I mean I never wanted to act again. When I left the show, I was like, all right, and I'm done, you know, like, see you later. I'm never going to do this again. Um. And so you know, for Haley and her music, I don't want Chris Keller to destroy that, you know. I don't want this this one opportunity to be the thing that crushes her. Um, because we we know because we shot it, that she's going to have so many other awesome opportunities if she would just like, lean into trick, go help Peyton Man. Hello. Yeah, but I I love that that you say that, because I think it is so important when we talk about trusting yourself enough to close let's call it a haunted door, perhaps to say I'm not willing to go live in a haunted house. Yeah, dude, I had the same experience when I left Chicago. I was like, I'm out like you and I are the truly when I tell you and I will never forget. Sweet Justin Baldoni from Jane the Virgin said to me when I told him I quit my job. He was like, I've never met an actor who's quit a job ever. Actors don't do that. It's so hard to get a job. And I was hard to get a job. It's so hard to get a job. And I said, well, I quit a job, and one of my best friends quit a job. You and I are the only two actors I know who have ever quit their jobs. And it is such an act of self defense to say I will no longer tolerate this thing that is literally eating me from the inside, Like it's like having a flesh eating bacteria on your soul. And when I quit, I had the same experience. I was like, I don't know if I'm ever going to do it again. There are so many other things that I love and care about. I don't know if I'm ever going to do that again. Could rather be at the sports Authority. I'd rather go work for Carl. I'll wear the outfit, I don't give I'll say the jingle like because the well was poisoned to and it took me a while to realize that there were other water towers, there were other there were other doors that that had not a shred of creepy haunting. Well Brooks gonna find that. Find It's going to find it. Yeah. Her her two week tenure at the crab Shack is now going to turn into UM student council running for office, which is exciting because we got a little I love seeing that fire because Erico Marsh's man, I know she's coming. I also love that Brick was like, I'm running. I'm going to take up all the lines across the page. And they told me to do that. They were like, they were like, maybe write your name bigger than everybody else. And I was like, well, watch what you wish for because I'm just going to go from margin to margin. It was so fun. We also, I have a question because obviously we know and we haven't brought this up. I want to know what it is if you know, if you remember, I'm sure you do. Peyton and Jake go on the road trip to Savannah to get Jenny. Where the hell were you Were you doing a movie or something? No, I wasn't doing a movie. I think it was being punished for something or who knows. Um. I was probably off moon and over Greenberg just like hey man to hang out. I honestly, I have no idea, um, and that was always kind of like, I don't know. We were always kind of like jockeying for our storylines. Uh. And so I'd gotten the thing I wanted, I got Greenberg back, but then it wasn't in the episode. So what were we doing at this point? You guys? Were you had to be doing something like let it be clear, guys, the people we worked for, we're not giving us days off to be nice. There had to be a reason. Are you doing like Secret Life of Bees or something like what were you doing? No, if any, if anything, I would get sent to do like the sun Kissed parties and stuff like that, but I don't think we were doing that necessarily in season two and that started like season three, right, or did you have a big like MTV obligation? Was that a spring break? I think were on it. Like that's where I knew. I was like, I'm telling you, you were working when did this one air? This would have aired at the beginning of February. So I was either doing Cancoon or New Orleans or like I would go on these weird trips because or I was doing like Club Nights in Miami. Still because in season two I was still doing five days on Tree Hill two days in New York for MTV. Uh, And it wasn't till the end of season two that I was like, I'm gonna die if I keep doing this. It's not sustainable. And MTV let me out of my contract so that I could just do one Tree Hill. Um. But yeah, that's why I like, my hair is falling out, and I'm just like disaster all of season two. That's I'd hit my limit. So I was, yeah, probably doing something like that. I'm okay with it though. I like that Anna thought she was being ghosted, you know, and Lucas had to explain it and like, baby, no, had that Jake not shown up? And something that's really nice is you being away with Jake. It gives Anna the opportunity to feel like she's being ignored, and it kind of forces Brooke to rely on herself and to let Felix help her, because if Peyton had been home, Brooke would have just gone to Peyton. Yeah. I would have made signs, you know. I was gonna say signs were so ugly. I didn't have you to draw them. They were so bad. I really like the actress that you worked with Abby, who had the cute. She was married. She is married to one of the guys who is in the local improv comedy scene with Cullen, and so her husband, Garrett was like really good friends with Cullen. Um there was a pack of dudes that all did improv at level five. Yeah, And so it was really cool because I had made friends with her outside of our show, and then she got cast on the show and it was so cool. That was the fun part about shooting in a small town is that our guest stars were a lot of times like people that we'd made friends with in real life, and so it felt like bring your friend to work day. And I love that you guys got to work together. She was so pretty cool. She was so pretty and cool. And what I loved also again to to sort of mirror that line. People do crazy things when they're desperate. You see what's going on with Jewels, but you also see what's going on with all these other young women in this small town. You know, Abby's playing a character who's a single mom and has a two year old. This group of girls who've all been hired because they're young and pretty and probably pretty easy to take advantage, get to show their vulnerability and their fear about losing this shy job because it might be the only one available to them, and so it's so fun to see them get a win. Yeah. Well that's why I love these like young kids coming up now, because they're like, I'm not gonna work at a poverty wage. What are you talking about? No way, you have to pay us your kids. You just get those signs out. You gotta us old ladies to back your play. We'll show up with look up Osha on the internet. It's true. No, it's good. It's empowering. And if you don't come from a family that encourages you to be a noisemaker, hopefully you can find other people in your life that make you feel safe to speak up for yourself and advocate for yourself. Um, because that is a huge hurdle in anybody's young adulthood. But once you do it once, then it's like okay for the whole rest of your life. You know, it's it just takes a little bit of practice. Yes, I love it, and and it just brings me back to the sort of I weirdly feel this grown up pride looking at young Brooke being like, look at her. She's getting kicked out of her nest and she's choosing to do exactly that, to advocate and to lead, and even though it's scary, she's going to show up for other people and maybe learn to show up for herself along the way. Well, that's it. She's not being selfish about like I'm going to fix this for me. She's like, oh, no, no, no, We're going to fix this for everyone. You know what it is. It's a cheerleader mentality. And I yes. So someone asked me how I got into my television show UM, which is a true crime documentary show, and they're like, oh, you guys are solving cases and you guys are doing this, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, No. Innocence Project organizations are solving these cases and all these like lawyers working pro bono are doing all of this work. What I'm doing is cheerleading, and and people talk about cheerleaders all the time, But there is a life skill that I learned because the focus wasn't on me. The focus is on who's on the field, and it's your job to make them feel seen and supported and to bring as many people in as possible to raise their voices and get involved to rally and so, honestly, like the extracurricular activities I did as a teenager, cheerleading has stupidly become like something that's very important, um, and it's a big part of what we do. It's, you know, using your megaphone and shining the light on somebody else. Yes, by the way, it's exactly the same for me. It's the reason everyone laughs about me being a camp counselor. It's wrangling everybody, pumping them up for the activity, being being the leader who gets them there. It's it's the reason that I so early in the trajectory of our show started doing public advocacy work because same thing. I was like, I have a megaphone and I'm gonna use it. Watch this, you know it. I love that you had the count counselor megaphone and I had the cheer We're a literal matchmate in heaven. Joy had the microphone. Goddamn, that couldn't have worked out better. We're real good. Somebody needs to draw that you need the like hold up cheer megaphone. I need the like old school seventies actual electronics. Yeah, Joy needs a singer's microphone. Ends artists, please have at it. Chop chop, friends, do we have questions? We want to spin a wheel, we want to do baby, I want to give an honorable mention before we jump into the questions, while we do talk about Brooke Davis loving the color red and all things nostalgic from the era, That red couch at Karen's Cafe, the red couch gets an honorable mention, y'all, Sophia, I have thought about that couch so many times, like where is that couch? I loved that couch and who has it? If anyone knows who has that couch? Can you let us know? We could buy it from you. It's a sectional baby, like we could each get a piece. Um, I would sob God, And I just I remember, like what the texture feels like my hand, like like rubbing my hand on it. It's such a sense, remember that. Yeah, And when we would be in their shooting and there'd be a break, we'd all go pile on it, like, oh God, I just missed that couch. We could even do a thing when we find out where the couches and we do like a charity drive to get the couch back, honestly, not for us. Not for us. I mean, we would raise money for charity to get the couch back. I'll pay anyone for the couch, um please, Yeah, I love that couch. There were certain pieces on set that just like I loved um. Okay, so Anna asks us. She says, when peyton Helium brook are having a bad day or going through a breakup, there's a common cure root beer, floats or ice cream. Do all of you like root beer floats in real life? Or what is your go to comfort food? I hate root beer more than anything. I mean, I don't hate root beer, but like I hate it. I don't like ice cream, Like it's just didn't we just talk about this? I do? I know you do? I don't know. I mean, you know that I'll be a killing die hard fan until that's no longer on this planet. But I gotta say dairy is also terrible for me. I have asthma. Like I can't be eating ice cream. It makes me sick. I'm they know, but I love it. So I don't know. If I if I was gonna pick my most favorite comfort food in the world, it would be fun Vietnamese. I could eat a bowl of every single day for the rest of my life. I probably order it two or three times a week from a place down the street. I love it. I love it, I love it. I love it. Listen, when I came to Toronto to visit you, I ordered door Dash at like two o'clock in the morning and got good food and a bottle of wine. What did you get? Don't you know? It's like trouffle fries and you know, like all sorts of But I was just like, oh, this is like options. Um, yeah, that was so fun. I wish i'd known about what do you keep on the farm? Oh my god, I know, Well, when you come back, we'll just get it when you're on the farm, because you are not near anywhere where you can get take out at a random hour. What do you keep, like, what do you always have stocked in the pantry or in the freezer that you can cook up quickly for yourself when you're hungry and you can't pick up dinner whiskey? Thank you to our friends at Jane Walker Guys. Um, No, I have to be a responsible adult here. I I'm a carbi person, like I am a breadbread bread, bread, bread, bread, bread girl. So like bread bread and like the carry gold super salty butter. Uh. Yeah. I remember when I was like taking German in high school as like a freshman. I just needed to learn how to say eliba growth, Like I just I love bread. Where is the bread? Um? Oh, I love that's what it is. Yeah, I love bread. That's that's what stuck after all those years. Uh yeah, that's it, just sitting around bread on one tree hill. Can you imagine my mom. I will never forget. I've gotten so much trouble once as a kid. You know, Um, did you ever live anywhere with the Vons the grocery store bombs? But I know what in California? So well yeah, so by the Vans check out, there's always like the big French loafs that they would bake for the day and they're like a dollar ninety nine. I would beg my mom to get me a French loaf every day, and she was like, what is why is this kid so obsessed with bread? What's going on? And one day she finally figures out what I've been doing. I've been cutting the loaf in half but then digging out the soft bread on the inside. And leaving the crust pouch, and then I'd put it back together and just leave it on the counter. It's like, have you hollowed out a loaf of bread every day you second about, and I'd get it out and I'd rolled the little dough into balls and them. Sofia were the perfect man. Weird kids. I'm a crust girl, so I'll always give you the insides and I'll take the outsides. Done right, Well, now we know. I can't wait to run. I can't wait to run a cheerleading summer camp and just have bread for every meal. I can't wait to tell joy done done, done done, alright, can't wait to invite you all our cheerleading summer. Oh my god, it's gonna be so fun. I can't wait for the outfits. Al right. Back on track, Rebecca asks, Oh, this is a good question for us. If the show was to reboot today, what music would Peyton be collecting and listening to? We literally just talked about this. I know what music would be playing in the background scenes at trick. Literally we just talked about this like minutes ago. Um. I have this new band that I'm obsessed with called Pom Pom Squad Uh. Their album Death of a Cheerleader Like just came out and its It's in my bray. I started posting about it on Instagram. Um, and the sweet lead singer Like wrote me back and I was like, baby, I am trying to come see your show this year. I have not been to a concert in so many years. Calm down to the city. She's playing at the Bowery bed Room. Okay, done. We definitely have to some strings. We're going well. You know people, I think another person. I think about this so much just because of what the music did for our show, and I think about who affects me so deeply. I just know that to Blow would be on heavy rotation on our show and we would definitely get her to come play a trick because I know her. So let's just get all our friends. I just want all the hot girls to come play on our show and make us Girl energy is what we're about. I think it's time to spend a whale, sister, Let's do it. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Who is most likely to win a pie eating contest? I mean, is it me? It might be me? No, you know you know who commits and who is a good sport is Barbara Allen Woods. She like Barbara. You could throw anything up Barbara, and she'd be like, you're right, I'm a Midwest girl. Like give it to me. Barbara would win and like look good doing it. I was just gonna say, I would just be so happy to be eating pie. Barbara would like, make it hot. Let's give it to Barbara. I love snacks, but she's she's just so sexy hot pie. Okay, but who on the show? No, you know what it makes me think of? I can't even remember who said it. Years ago. Somebody was like, Megan Fox is so hot. She makes me want to strangle an ox. And that's how I feel about Barbara. Barbara, Yeah, I can't. Can you imagine if that was Deb's coping mechanism in the episode where she's like, oh, you guys are making me crazy. I'm gonna eat this pie. Fine, um, all right, Barbara, maybe she will in the next one. Who knows our next episode is season two, episode thirteen. The hero dies in this one. Alright, well, what does that mean? Hold on your hats, friends, It's gonna be a doozy. Thank you guys for hanging out. 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