The Hollywood Dilemmaᐧ EP514

Published Sep 4, 2023, 4:00 AM

The girls discuss the demand of working in Hollywood, attempting to find a balance and how it truly affects personal lives. Plus, did someone say major set crush?! Find out who everyone was crushing on during filming and what they used to do about it!

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You guys, welcome to this episode. I'm just gonna cop to my unprofessional behavior right away. We were supposed to pre watch this episode, and I have just been in the thick of PTSO responsibilities and I'm just like scattered anyway, So I didn't do it. I didn't watch it.

It's okay, We're gonna fill you in.

We'll tell you all about it.

I'll probably remember once you start talking.

All right, Well, let's give you a synopsis, shall we.

That's what I want.

It's season five, episode fourteen, What Do You Go Home Too? It originally aired April twenty first, two thousand and eight, and this was a big episode for your girl over here. Brooke gets a phone call that is going to change her life in a big WAYO has to do with a baby baby, Millicent and Marvin take a new step in their relationship. Haley seeks out Peyton about the making of her next album, Has to Do It Together. Lucas returns to the Tree Hill Ravens basketball team to discover that their star player Quenton is injured and lying about it, and Nathan begins to contemplate what it would take to get his game back.

Okay, it was a chock full episode, yeah, really was.

And directed by our friend Liz, Liz Friedlander. That's important.

Yes, yeah, oh my gosh, it was.

It was.

It was fun. It was. It was actually weird because I feel like at the beginning it was a bit of a slow start with everybody waking up in bed and she shot exactly what was on the page. It was great, but for some reason, the music was very slow, and so it just it took forever for this episode to get started, and I it's not because of the content that was on the screen. It was it was actually like a kind of a weird soundtrack episode for me in the beginning, but it did pick up as it went on. But yeah, this was it was cute, like everybody woke up in bed and it was what they were thinking first thing in the morning.

When they were and it was it made me giggle because Lucas wakes up and he's thinking about Lindsey, and Peyton wakes up and she's singing about Lucas. Jamie wakes up and he's thinking about Chester, and Brook wakes up and is thinking about Brooke, and I was just like, oh my god, I remember this. It was so funny.

Fun Brook made me giggle.

As you should at twenty two.

That's right, she'd be waking up. What makes me happy? Well, Brooke is so happy in this episode, and Sophia, you do happy really well, and like, it was just so fun to see you lit up and bubbly and excited. And there's so much drama on our show. There's so many people brooding and being pensive, and Brook's been through so much that just to watch you have fun and be excited for basically the entire episode was fun. I love it.

Yeah, oh thanks, I did too. It's nice, especially when to your point, things are so heavy for so many of our characters all the time. It's nice to get to be a little bit of comedic relief, you know, to make people laugh, to be a little silly like, you know, she gets the call about this baby coming into her life, and you know, the device of it Hill is that there are kids who are essentially sponsored to have free medical treatment in the US who come in, you know, from countries where they can't receive treatment for whatever they're sick with, and they stay with a host family while they have surgery and recover. And this is like a test via the adoption agency for Brooke Post. You know, the fiasco of the woman from the agency being mean to her, and it's a good little device, but it's like, I remember how much fun it was to play the panic in Close Over Bros. With Lisa when she gets the call and she starts freaking out to Melissa and like it's trying to get all her together and can't get her laptop in her bag and like has a full meltdown about it, and then you know, goes to buy baby stuff and just buys toys.

That was fun. My favorite scene.

It was so funny, Like you two come in and we're getting all the backstory. It's all the exposition about the medical stuff, and you're just like, but like food a crib?

Yeah? No?

What my favorite was? Your response was Haley goes, did you, well, did you buy anything for the baby? And you just stared at it. Me like, look at all of them. You're sitting in the middle of a baby store. What are you talking about? And then Hillary and I had a really good bantern like talking over each other. It was so funny. It made me actually miss seeing the three of us do comedy on screen because we hadn't. Yeah, we haven't seen in a long time.

Our characters haven't gotten to do that.

Yeah, it had been a minute.

Certainly not this year. But also, like, babies don't need anything. That's That's something that I tell every new parent. I'm like, yeah, don't buy toys, they don't play with them, they play with boxes. Don't buy a bed because they either sleep in your bed or a clothes basket with a pillow. You know, like, they don't need stuff. When I gave birth to George, I forgot to buy diapers. It totally escaped.

Me, amazing, Yeah, what'd you do? A couple of old T shirts? I don't know, sent somebody else out, Jeffrey own a friend, get to the right aid.

Yeah, man, I totally forgot.

That was a part of it. Lisa Goldstein was giving me life in this episode. I love her so much. I love it too, if you guys. And she's just so sincere. She's so darn sincere and likable.

What goes on with her in Mouth because I like that relationship and I like that they are both able to support brook In. You know, they're both her assistants.

M h. It's very sweet because they Brooks talking to Melicent about getting a promotion at Close Over Bros. And then Mouth gets a call about potentially getting a promotion to go to another market and become an anchor, and like really, you know, begin working his way up the ladder. And it's this moment where you know if he's going to move to Omaha to do this.

Yeah.

It forces them to more swiftly talk about their dynamic, and Millicine does that thing that I think so many of us are encouraged to do, which is, you do what's best for you and we'll figure it out and you know, I'll support you, and he he sort of stops her and says, but I want there to be a future with us, And Lisa plays it so beautifully because she she sort of registers shock. And then you've got Lee going too much too soon? No, I just is it, you know, And and it's this great it's this great moment because there's were of forced by circumstance to admit how strongly they feel about each other.

Yeah, and it's special. Yeah, their chemistry is so strong and so obvious. I just love seeing them together. And it's fun. It's realistic. Like you start dating somebody, especially in your twenties, and everybody's got careers, everybody's got dreams that they're pursuing, and you know, you've got the chemistry off the bat. You're really into each other. You're thinking about each other NonStop. You finally get the person that you've been after you start dating, and then somebody gets a job off or somewhere, and what are you going to do?

That's hard to take the back seat. Like, yeah, when I met Jeff, I never dated someone that was like I'm the one that's working, Like.

I was always one that was working. Yeah, And it was.

Like, do you want to be my plus one? Do you want to come and like sit behind monitor on set? And I'd never done that before.

Yeah, it was like.

Sure, I guess how did that feel? Well? At that point, I was never going to act again. And so I was like, oh, this is like the pivot. This is when I like hang it up and let him just do it. And he was like, Okay, you're never going to act again. Okay, good story, Hillary. But it was the difficult part was like I'm going to have this baby and I just have to go wherever you're working. If we're going to be a family unit, Like I don't get to call the shot about where we live, right. I can call the shots about all sorts of other things, but you determine like if we're going to La or New Orleans or Puerto Rico or all the places that we traveled to as a family. I had no control over that. He didn't have any control over that. It's like where the production company sends you. So yeah, but that work thing really forces you to have grown up talks before it's cool.

Yeah, And so like I guess it's easier when you're older and you know what, you understand the value of a great relationship. It's I think it's just a little easier to prioritize or to say, you know what, this isn't actually what I want. It's okay, Like you go do your thing. I'm gonna let's not get too far down the road now.

Sometimes it's a nice out right it's like, oh, that's crazy.

You gotta go see you ladder.

No.

But but when you're in your twenties, it's it's hard. It's hard to know what to do. It's hard to know. Well, what they decide to do is Millie's going to move in with Mouth and skills, and Mouth decides to stay and and keep climbing the corporate ladder. So you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens with them. But I thought they were just so great and their conversations were so sweet, and I really wish Lisa Goldstein was still acting. I just need her on on a regular basis. She's so good. She really just draws you in.

And her comedy like, it's really fun to watch someone who can cut right to the core of your heart when they're experiencing deep feelings and then in you know, three breaths make you laugh so hard. She has such a great range. And yeah, I think I think part of what I'm realizing as we talk about this stuff, the dynamics of this, is because so many of our characters jumped into such grown up careers so early. It's really refreshing to have a couple of kids that are twenty one or twenty two going I might get a promotion, I might get to start at the bottom in this industry I like, but to do it, I have to move, Like that's what most people experience. Yeah, they made it human because their performances are beautiful, but it does it has that deep nostalgia of that era of your life that we sort of skipped over in a lot of ways because we had this like wildly accomplished at a young age group of characters.

Yeah.

Having to move for work, though, is so jarring, Like, and I think that's something that we've talked about in the strike. Maybe we haven't talked about it. My thing with taking acting jobs is always that they will not commit to where something is going to shoot for a series. They're like, well, we think it's gonna go here, we think it's going to go here, but we can't commit to it. But let's go ahead and negotiate your contract where you're married to us for six years minimum and we'll let you know where you're gonna live later.

Yeah. Yeah, so welcome to Alaska. You have to take a propeller plane to get here.

So crazy.

Yeah yeah, yeah, you're never going to go to your kid's soccer game ever again.

Yeah yeah. I mean it's real, it's a real struggle. Another reason why this, you know, not to be labor of point, but I guess that's what we're doing. The strike is it's important so things are made worthwhile for artists.

Just tell me where I'm going to live.

Yeah, And it's also really odd that there's this idea that because you get to make art, everything about the job is a privilege.

It isn't.

It's a job and it's hard, and when your whole family gets uprooted and people get moved around, I mean.

There's a lot of sacrifices.

It's a lot, and you know, people just think everybody's rich and most people aren't. Most people aren't making you know, all that much money, and it's like you do something because you love it, but your life. I think we're all in a moment where, particularly when you see all this cross union organizing, people are saying, look, I want to like my work, but my life shouldn't come at the expense of my job. You know, my family, my partnerships, my parents, all of that.

Do you all remember being kids and like and like getting People magazine or like watching watching all like the trashy you know, entertainment shows when we were like little kids wanting to be actors when we grew up. Wow, why do they all get divorced? What? Like? I could not understand, like, man, what's going on in Hollywood?

Why they all seem so unhappy?

And now I'm just like man, I from from the top of the call sheet till the PA on the call sheet, the entire gamut when you're working sixteen hours a day and you're not necessarily at home, and I just don't know how anything survives, you know.

That's it's really wild.

It's baffling.

I was talking to a girlfriend of mine who did a show I'll protect her privacy, did a show very similar to ours. Yes, Yes, shot, And we were just talking about what it's like to grow up on a series like this, and to your point that people only pay attention to what the actors are doing, but it's happening to the whole production everybody. And I will say, like, I think we've done a pretty good job about talking about like it wasn't just everyone on our show kissing everyone on our show.

It was everyone on our.

Show kiss and everyone behind the scenes too, And like we were just talking about the whole dynamic and she killed me. You guys, she made me cackle. She goes, well, everybody on my show, actors and crew members all dated each other and we were in LA.

So what excuse did we have? You have died. It's the people you're around.

It's the sixteen seventeen, eighteen hours a day, like close to you have time to talk to. But yeah, when you really think about it, you know it's inspiring Hill, like to watch the way you and Jeff get to make them moving around work. But you do have to sacrifice even to do that. If two parents have similar careers and it's like, well only one of us can work at a time, like you still have to sacrifice. And then you still have to move to Georgia or the Georgia or Canada or New Orleans, like you still have to move your family and your kids. And I don't know, it's a it's it's beautiful and it's.

Heart Yes, I mean it changes every conversation you have because it was easy when Gus was little, But now that he's in middle school, we can't just like leave for a month or two like we did an elementary school. And so for everyone that's out there doing a job that is not in the town where their family lives, that is a huge commitment. And so it's almost like easier to watch characters in their early twenties without all of that baggage make these decisions. It's like, go, kid, you've got no news right now, a good time, do it? You can live here.

Everything gets serious?

Oh god?

You know who who does that for me in this episode, who's so innocent that it breaks my heart is sweet little Jamie when he asks Lucas Hillary, I'm sitting on a staircase, and Jackson, in his sweet little face, goes, I think Grandpa Dan's really nice.

Why is everyone so mad at him?

You just go, oh boy.

The most difficult question to answer, like, how would you condense it all? Jackson really shown in this episode. I thought he just had He was having so much fun on the basketball court with the guys. Every scene he was in it was like, I don't know what happened, but something shifted where it's like he just got comfortable. It was like he had hit the point where he felt like, Okay, I got my stride, I'm comfortable here. This starts is starting to feel like home and like a place I come to all the time. I can play here. Now I'm not just expected to show up and say certain things and stand certain places and be intimidated. Now he's having fun and you could see it on camera. It was great.

It's really cool, you know what it feels like the thing which I mean, of course, for little kids who are acting, they have to learn their lines, they practice the way they say them. He's not delivering lines anymore. He's just hanging out with everyone.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, Like he's so at ease and he feels so safe. I think in all of our relationships that he's just like bopping around with the guys and it's it is so endearing, like it almost hurts.

Those guys are so good with him though, Like you know, we were all messy kids going to bars after work and stuff and overnight. It wasn't just a change for Jackson to show up on our set. Everyone was like expected to be a co parent to this kid. And for a group of twenty something year old boys, Yeah, there wasn't anyone that was like, ugh, the kid is here. You know. They were all so committed to making it a fun space for him.

They loved it. But he got to do be involved in a lot of the the boy in basketball scenes in this one, especially with Robbie Jones being around. There is just such a fun convergence of all the all the Scott boys, including one with Dan who gets on the elevator at the hospital and it's like the elevator doors close and it's just Lucas, Nathan, Jack's, Jamie and Dan. The door's closing, and I was like, I want a whole episode of this. I need this elevator to get stuck and I just want the whole episode of these four boys. And yes, right, yes, because they didn't get that.

The presence of the kid forces them to hold back. And it would have been so cool if we'd gotten to really see it play out.

Stuck in the elevator in afternoon.

Yeah, like, give us one hour in the elevator could have been a whole episode.

Yeah, absolutely, a whole bottle episode, like like the library one, but in an elevator. I would have been probably real tough to shoot.

They made us do the hard stuff. It would have been such a cheap show too.

They're like, we're gonna.

Have all this money one sets, right.

Fantastic. But the basketball stuff was fun to see back on camera again. To be able to watch the I mean even just watching Robbie and James play basketball for two minutes, I feel like we haven't seen that in a little while. There's been lots of other drama. And Robbie Jones, to me, was the superstar of this episode.

He was so good.

He's incredible, so good timber.

All the women and our crew had crushes on Robbie.

Yes, yes, I mean he was ridiculously handsome and so charismatic.

I love that you just tried to pull that all the women on our crew like flouting all.

Of us, every single one of us, Yes, everybody.

To be clear, everyone was in love with Robbie.

He was so charming, and I just remember like most of us were in committed situations. Yeah, And I remember like there were girls who were like, Oh, I'm gonna go hang out, and all of us were trying not to be like jealous. Just let us know how that works out, fantasy.

Yeah, it turned into a lot of you know who you should yeah, and then tell us about it.

Yeah yeah, who can we live vicariously through?

Who can we set up with him?

Well?

Little did we know. I think he was dating his now wife even back then, Sandra Sandy.

It sucks when you realize that you never had a shot.

Never had a shit. Even if you could, it wouldn't happen.

Because back then we didn't have social media, right, so you couldn't cyberstalk someone and find out what their situation was. Like you just assumed you had a shot and you didn't at all. No, no, because remember we felt that way about Truco too, Like no one, yeah yeah, Like Truco was in a relationship, and like all of these guys were really above board. They were not flirty, they were very professional, they were lovely. But you just you know, you're the new kid. Cool, what's your situation? No one wants to just ask. Instead, we'll all get together like hens and be like, oh my god, Sow you're talking.

To what's coming on over there? Well, by the way, I think this is something important to highlight for our friends listening at home, because now when you meet someone or your friend meet someone, the first thing you do is like go deep on their Instagram.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, you couldn't do that.

There was no way to check up on anybody's life and be like, oh, this person clearly lives with a partner or you know, doesn't play for my team, or like there was no way to casually figure it out. So everyone was just like standing around a little antsy all the time, being like what.

Do we do here?

I don't know?

And then you'd have that anxiety of like, well, I'm in a relationship and this person's being real nice to me, Like do I have to figure out how to mention my partner or is that ridiculous?

And then is this just right?

Like I would die?

You know, it's horrible. You just never knew how to behave Yeah, yeah, I still feel like I don't. It's still just awkward. Oh god, if I'm seeing somebody and then somebody else asks me out and that's like, well, I mean I'd like to be friends with you, but like I don't. Yeah, okay, let's go get a coffee. But like it's just friendly friend calls, right, But then how do I say it? What do you say? I can't just randomly bring it up.

Now, what you do is you post on Instagram and they're like you're you know they're gonna look.

Yeah, but like my private life, I don't know all that stuff out there, but that's what everybody does nowadays. I guess it's the kid's place.

Yeah, it's like having a billboard.

Well, I wonder what uh Peyton and Lucas's instagrams would have looked like.

Oh, it would be a lot of reels set to cure songs. Peyton would have been deep in the reels.

I feel like, yeah, I could see that, just.

Making little mini music videos every couple days.

Yeah, building a label that would have been good.

I might do that just for fun. Is there have people created Instagram accounts for our characters.

I don't know.

That stuff makes me really uncomfortable. I gotta be.

Honest, because you never know, like who thinks it's real.

Yeah, I'm like, this feels it. I'm uncomfortable. I remember there was like a minute was it during our season seven I don't know where, like all the fake Twitter accounts of all of us, and then our characters got weird, and so then I remember like going, well, we should just run them. That would be fun. Like if we each ran like Twitter account for our characters.

And then I was like, I am not getting paid any money to do.

This is a full time job, never mind, and I stopped. I think I did it for like six days.

But I was like, no, I don't.

I don't have time to write content for like A I gotta go.

Not if you're not getting paid for it. No, Hill, did you ever you know? You were always so music was such a big part of your life, obviously with MTV and then Peyton. Did you ever actually consider starting a label or.

Yeah, I was supposed to do with our boss. That was the whole shtick is that when he was mentoring me, we were going to start a label, and that was like the carrot that was dangled, and that was the thing that was taken away when I when I raised my voice about things. And so, yeah, starting a label was something I was definitely into because I had hosted radio show for college station and like found all these bands and was going to venues all the time trying to find on sign like that was it was art and life converging.

Could you ever see yourself doing that in the future? Not now?

No, I mean as my kid gets into music, Like Gus had a little band for a while and his chorus teacher has singled him out and had him perform in town.

I guess he.

They were doing karaoke at the end of the school year and he sank seven Nation Army like he's super into Jack White and the White Stripes, and his teacher was like, will you come perform in town? Gus was very nervous about it, but he did. He went and he performed in town.

It was cute.

And so as he gets involved in that, there's that part of me that's like, oh that, am I going to be a Mamager? I don't know, but yeah, I think I think I wanted Peyton to succeed, and so I wanted like a real record label to succeed. I still really like that crossover of fact and fiction in any kind of TV show or movie. Yeah, Like it's the Blair Witch effect, right, Like the thing you're watching feels more fun if it might be real.

Yes, So I don't know, Well, I think that's the whole basis of reality TV, right, it's all scripted.

But yeah, all right, so then here's what I like though, because I do have sense memories about you coming into the red bedroom office and us being like, let's do this, Let's do Haley's record.

You guys, you were so fun to watch doing that stuff.

I'm glad it was a fun scene. That song that they played was something that a friend of mine wrote. But I also was kind of like, I don't know, I wish I just wish I had had some better advice at the time, Like I wish I had trusted someone to give me better advice, because I feel like there was such a great opportunity to like find a really good music and great songs and played just like super cool stuff. And I remember the stuff that I heard, just even just since an episode. I was like, oh, it's kind of lame, Like we need some better stuff coming in for Haley.

But your sound has changed a lot since I don't want not that your sound has changed a lot since then, but like I feel like you're doing riskier things now than you were when we were kids, which is, you know, we've lived a lot more.

Yeah, it just feels more like I don't care about fitting into some particular mold and I'm just trying to have fun and do what feels authentic to me, which I just didn't have that in me when I was twenty.

But I also think you have to give yourself like a little bit of grace for the context of the era, Like, yeah, you're still in the era where the where the girl pop stars were being forced into the kind of music they were making, and like you, you were being given music to play as Haley on the show. It wasn't like they brought in four producers for you to do four sessions to figure out who made you come alive as an artist and then sayeah, okay, Joy, go make music like you were working a double full time job. Like sorry, seventeen hours a day is two is nearly two, it's like two eight hour days. Yeah, you know, twenty four hour period.

Like they would hand me a guitar and be like, can you just play something from the beginning of the scene.

I was like okay, yeah, Like I think you got to like let yourself up off the mat a little bit there, because it's not like somebody took you in a studio for two weeks and was like, let's come up with something amazing for this one scene. They were like, hey, you have a scene on Wednesday, and we have to record a song tomorrow.

Like yeah, or do you have anything? I'm like, yeah, I mean I guess I wrote something when I was nineteen four years ago, but you probably got something right. Sure, sure o man and the fact again, but again, like how easy to be taking advantage of I mean, come on, yeah, it's a whole other talent, a whole other skill. I just get hired for acting. And how people expect you to do things that are gonna end up on a soundtrack and then never get paid for it because it's the character that's singing.

Wow, we weren't learning cheerleading dances anymore, so they needed us to jump through. It's probably separate hoop, different hoops.

Yeah, it's cool.

For me to hear you say Hill that you remember the scenes, because like, you know, we're we're talking about having just watched it. But that's so that's so neat because for me, you know, when we all watch together and we talk in real time about an episode, it's one thing. But I literally wrote in my notes, I was like, I love being an audience member right now, just watching the two of you, Like when you came in the office, Joy and you started to you know, talk to her and there's all this good news about Mia. But I could tell you were nervous and then you're, you know, telling her how proud you are of her. I was like, she wants something?

Is this?

Oh my god? Is this when she's gonna say she wants to make music? Or is it something else?

What's happening?

Like I was like excited watching the two yeah, and hoping I was right. And I don't know, like, it's it's cool to hear that even though you didn't get to watch this morning, you remember those scenes viscerally all these years later.

Yeah, the storyline I definitely remember vividly because I love collaboration, and I for the longest time tried to make my romantic relationships collaborative. To me, that was like the most intimate kind of relationship you could have with someone where you're like doing a project together, like doing a thing. And that's what I wanted. And then I realized I didn't have to put so much pressure on my romantic relationships if I cultivated that with my female friendships.

And so I started just.

Like doing projects with chicks, you know, and I have like my producing partners, and I have my girlfriends from high school that I do charity work with and like ladies here in my town that clearly I'm doing like stuff at the school with and that that sense memory of like Peyton and Haley being like, let's go down this road together. It excited me. That's the kind of relationship that I like most in my real life. So it's fun to play because you're like, oh, this it's easy.

Yeah, me too. And I think that's such an important thing that you learn as you age, Like if you have to have a project in a romantic relationship, you run the risk of your relationship just being a project instead of instead of like your one safe haven versus if you have projects with a bunch of the people you love to be around, but who you're not trying to get that singular romantic filment from you, actually you cultivate healthier relationships on both sides. But I think it can be so easy, you know, in our any world of like content and this and that to be like ooh, power couples. I'm like, mm hmm, I don't know if that's it.

No, man, Jeff and I stick to our lanes. Man, Yeah, I also don't you just need space? Like well, yeah, maybe I'm an introvert. But damn I could not know. But go, please go away for the day and come back at the end of the day. I can't wait to see you for dinner. Yeah, surprise me.

Come home and like have something to tell me I don't already know.

Yes. And I like working in collaborative relationships with my friends because their problem solving skills are different from my problem solving skills, and we're not always going to see eye to eye, and there's room to like learn from each other and stuff. I don't want that at home. Like at home, I just want it to be fuzzy and soft, you know, like oozie.

Yeah.

I don't want to do like a negotiation at home. I want to do a negotiation like in the middle school gym when we're trying to figure out where to hang the decorations.

Yeah, well, you don't want your dining room table to feel like a conference.

No, that's a great point.

That's it.

You need separateness. And I think, thinking about this in real time with you guys right now, I go, oh, right, it's this dynamic that we've modeled so well through evolutionary phases of these characters on our show and It's why I think everyone always comes back to our characters, our female friendships, being the love story. Yeah yeah, because like this is building long love and community together. And yeah, look at us modeling healthy dynamics before we even knew what they were on.

No, but from like Close Over Bros. When they're in high school to this new phase of the record label and now Haley's relaunching her career, I think that women need. There's so much bad stuff that was directed at our generation. Like look at the board games they had when we were little girls. It was like that call a boy game or like go to the mall game.

Yeah, dress up for your date, ye, mystery date.

Everything was just like bing dong, you know, like so embarrassing. And so I think for our generation to have like an example of girls hanging out with each other, not gossiping, not being bitchy, not plotting anything sinister. They're like helping each other level up. That's awesome. I love leveling up with my girlfriends in real life. And so yeah, it's fun to see. It's fun to see the gang do that. And I love that Hayley's doing music again.

Yeah, me too. It's nice to see her hit that spot in her life.

Joy. Was that something that you had expressed, like at this stage of the show, wanting to do more of as Haley or was that something they were more bringing to you asking you to do.

I think I might have gotten I think this might have been around the time I got my deal with Epic HM. Was it what I had blonde hair? Then I chronicle my life by my hair? Was really? Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember. I wish I remembered.

This is when you were doing Everly. I think because I remember, oh, yeah, it could have been our Christmas party and then our rap party.

Yeah, I think it could that. That could very well be. Yeah, I was. I was trying to you were playing figure out what I what I wanted to do, how I wanted to sing or sound or you know, it's just so hard to figure that stuff out, like exploring this whole side of yourself as an artist when you've me you made my whole career as an actor. I had been doing that for so long that it was fun to have that opportunity, but it was weird to not have that opportunity to experiment artistically and kind of follow my face and figure it out and figure what a crowd likes and what they don't like and what I enjoy. And because I was, it was on TV, and if I had done concerts, it would have been a whole thing. So without having a whole team behind me, and even if I had, then what would I have just become like a pop machine? I don't know. It was weird. It was weird to try and figure that out. So I don't know that I ever really got the time to understand and explore my own artistic prowess in that way.

It can be really hard to find your voice when you're already famous.

It's interesting. I hadn't thought about that before. Yeah, but I feel for you.

In that, Like there are things I've wanted to do for my own expression as a human, like Lanes I would love to drive down that I won't because we get judged very differently.

Yeah, Like it's not like.

You know, to your point, going and trying out music or like learning to do stand up or any other kind of expression where you go and you work your way up the scene. We bring a scene wherever we go because of One Tree Hill.

And that is.

But oh boy, yeah, like it can cut you quick because because people think like they're always looking for a reason to tell you're a failure when you're already a success in their eyes. It has nothing to do with how each of us feels in our own selves. And so I, yeah, God, I really feel for you in that because it's not like you could have just been going and doing open mics and and you know, playing small venues like without any fear or pressure.

You know, yeah, I think that's the thing is I didn't have the tools to know how to handle the fear or pressure because I could have done it. I mean, there are people out there who, like James Franco, went and did a soap opera in the middle of his like the height of his career. You know, like there's so many it's just so out of the box. And I think there's something super badass about just being an artist and you just whatever you want to try, you just do. Just go do it. Go try something, whether you fall fat on your face or not. But there is so much anxiety and pressure around maintaining a certain level of what people expect of you that to be able to just lay that aside and say I don't really care what people are going to think about this. I'm just going to do it because it feels good and it's fun. It's that is like the ultimate of being able to be an artist to me, But I don't know that a lot of us get there because there are so many pressure points along the way.

It was always weird to me that all of the musical acts on our show were solo acts, right, because I think band dynamics are so interesting and like so ripe for drama and all of those kind of really heated personal relationships and like, I don't know, you've played with bands like you have toured with people. It makes me sad that Haley didn't get like a band I know that would have been fun, like none of our acts did. It was always just like, I don't know, solitary in a way that I don't I haven't experienced in the music industry. My experience in the music industry is like band culture, where you're in a van with four or five other people and you gotta figure it out.

And we didn't get to.

Do that on our show. What would Haley's band I look like? Would have been like all chicks.

Like the Donnas that see that would have been great, like super forward thinking for the time. That would have That would have been the band that Peyton put together for her and said this is what we need to do. Oh, that would have been great. I would think drummers are so hot. Last time I was in Wilmington, I played a concert and I have Megan Jane, who's a great drummer here in Nashville, came out and she played in Wilmington and she's just she's so awesome. Reminded me of Jane a lot.

Jane Beck.

Jane Beck. Yeah, she's very similar energy, really calm and cool. But I love a female drummer. They're just like so settled in their body and they just just feel it out. Everything is so dropped in. Yeah, anyway, that's all I have to say about that. But yes, I also love female drummers.

So cool.

Haley needed a band. Man. Did you guys see six by the way yet? Have you seen Six the musical? Not yet?

I really want to.

It's so good. Do you know? Do you even know what I'm talking about?

It's the wives of Henry the Eighth right.

Yeah, but like Spice Girls, it's you know, funny but super there's a female it's an all female band on stage, and none of the women who are the actors ever leave the stage either. They they're all on it for the entire ninety minute run, all dancing, all participating each other songs. They work their asses off. But watching these this all female band just go at it every night and they're killing it on stage, it's so fun.

I love it, and I love the different personalities in a band, Like I just showed Gus almost Famous, and it's such a good example of like here's the drummer who's a little bit goofy, right, and then here's like the super moody lyricist guitar player who's neo Yeah, Bank season.

Charge probably is.

And then Jason Lee playing the lead singer who is just a dipsh and sudden so lovable, and then yeah, your bass player is pretty mysterious. Always I wish that we had gotten to play with that, because as deep as our show, when into music territory, you know, it was always just when you were expected to do all the heavy lifting all by yourself instead of having a support group.

Yeah, too many other characters. I can't pay for all those all those band members.

If you had to set up your band here's the question. Okay, and we couldn't pay new people to come in. Okay, who failely recruit to be the band?

So good? That's so good? Oh man? Uh, Who's who's on drums? I think if you feel like we have to start with drums and that feels like just because I'm so super in love with Robbie Jones in this episode, I'm gonna go with Robbie on the drums. Also, he's a basketball player, even though in this episode he's hurt his hand.

Oh there are one armed drummers.

Yeah, and hey, look if he could never play basketball again, which is what his doctor told him in the last episode, he can be my drummer, so I want so yes, Uh, I definitely would. I mean it would be really fun to have Baiting and Brooke as backup singers. But you guys have your own careers, so I don't know. If that we could shoop shoop here and there, we could do it. Yeah, we got time, let's do it.

Block out studio days will be fine.

Yeah, yeah, exactly who's on guitar? Who's just like mellow and sexy and oh am?

I thinking of yeah, they gotta be like lanky guitar players are always lank, lanky.

Yeah, why do I feel like it would be Uncle Cooper?

That's what I was thinking too.

It was kind of.

But I was like, I don't know, is it too? Is he like in the story? Enough? Yeah, I'm gonna go with Uncle Cooper. He would be on the guitar or the bass actually, because he's got that mysterious thing going on too, and all the bass players are always so you gotta get a chick bass player, I know. That's what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I know, because I'm like, we need some more girls in this band. Millie doesn't feel like she's in a band to me. I mean Rachel if she got her act together killer. Actually, you know what, Rachel could be on drums too. I gotta say, Yeah, she's got to.

Be on like one of the aggressive instruments. Yes, for sure, something that she's got a hit or slap, either the face or the drums. Yes, love it, get it out of her system. Yeah. I like this band.

Yeah, me too. That's good. Let's imagine this. We have to talk a little bit about Peyton and Lucas. Can I segue?

Yeah?

Fill me in? What did I cry about this week. Friend.

Well, here's what was weird. So we're like, we're hanging out with Brooke, We're helping her figure out stuff with the baby. She invites Nathan and Lucas over. I think maybe I missed it. I don't know. Why did they come over just congratulations?

I guess it sort of just felt like, yeah, people were like, you're getting a baby.

Yeah, they just showed up. It's like publishers clearing house.

It's like, no, it's temporary, but it's cool.

I don't know. So you come around the corner holding something to with babies, and Lucas is there, and you both stare at each other, and it is the longest, most awkward, like, oh you're here, Oh you're here. H Neither of us knows what to do, and neither of us. Neither of you could look away and pretend like everything was fine, because that wasn't in this gript so you just had to stand there and stare. But then they cut to you, guys walking. You've left the group and the two of you are now taking a private walk, which felt very abrupt and sudden. After the whole wedding fiasco, do you remember that at all?

Where were we walking? Like, were we inside or outside?

Outside? I was like, where was it?

I think it was out at the beach on Summer Rest Road.

Yes, it was a neighborhood road.

I was gonna say, isn't it supposed to be the exterior of my house? Yes, but we never went there because Brooks House was in Carolina Beach.

So yes.

Sometimes we would just go to random places and be like, this is her neighborhood and I'm.

Like, is it, yeah, neighborhood street.

I have like sinormary because Liz's episodes really stood out to me. She had like older sister energy that I was very very drawn to. And I would would get just like so excited, and then you know, like when you're excited about hanging out with an older chick, that's cool, and you're like, don't be a dork, don't be a dork, really getting nervous. And I remember being at that location with her and we had to pace out the walk and Chad was either still getting ready or just like wasn't there, And so she and I pasted it out together and she was reading all of Lucas's lines and I was just like, don't be a dork Hillary, Like, I just have strong memories of that, so strong that I can remember the road.

It is some arrest road out.

Yes, I'll remember it forever.

It was funny because you're talking about, oh, are you sorry about Lnday and he's like, no, we're gonna get back together. Everything's really good. It's fine. You know, she loves me. It'll be good. But the chemistry between the two of you is heavy. It was good. I felt it felt like, oh, oh yeah, this is what we've been missing little Lucas and Peyton.

I remember in earlier seasons when like people would tell me, oh, you and Chad have such great chemistry. I would get so mad, be like, what what are you talking about? We don't We're doing our jobs right. And then by the time we got to this season, I was a little cocky about it.

I was like, yeah, put them in a room with me.

What happens, Well, make them sweat? Yeah. Well. I liked of all the stuff they rushed on our show. I liked how drawn out this Lucas Peyton thing is.

Yeah, I mean to make it hurt, yeah.

Yes, and and by the way, make it make it take time, you know, like the the wedding fiasco is a big deal, like let it sit and draw out.

And I don't know.

I like when we give the characters opportunities to really go through their complex emotions and process those things, because sometimes on our show, it's like, well that was fun, and like two scenes later and it's over and you're.

Like we what, Yeah, what do you mean?

Sometimes you just get a baby. Yeah, just boom, you got.

A phone call.

She'll be here in an hour.

Owen. Owen didn't show up because they didn't want to bring him in pay for the episode, so they brought in Chase just to say like ohen uh oh was not coming why. But Chase also felt weird because he wasn't in it for that much, like he was in and out. But it's been so long since we've seen him.

I don't know, Hillary, You're gonna freak when you see the scene I get in a fight with Owen on the phone. He's clearly not there and I'm like, well, figure it out, and he's being weird about the baby okay, yeah dum yeah, And you say something about like this guy who like you, you've barely even kissed or haven't even kissed yet, whatever, it is, and and then Chase shows up and I'm like, oh, Owen's on his way, and he's and he basically says that he's not, and I think he's come in his place. But he's explaining to me that Owen's really threatened with the baby stuff and he really values his independence and that you know, he wanted to say goodbye but probably couldn't wait.

You got broken up with via Chase through Chase.

And then I say he sent you and he goes, no, I came on my own because I feel for him, because I know that I know how he feels, and he probably feels like if he looked in your eyes, he would throw his independence away. And he's basically flirting with me, telling me that it's hard for him to say goodbye to me, and and that like looking at me makes boy's cave. And then he's like, you know, call me if you need someone to talk to advice the husband, and I go, I'm sorry, did he just offer to be her husband when his roommate is dating her?

It was so weird, really funny, really funny scene.

It was funny, but Steven did a great job. Honestly.

Yeah, that's so uncomfortable. I think so too.

My entire storyline this season is uncomfortable and ridiculous.

But here, what to do with you? They were?

I mean they really Your stuff with Victoria is awesome, but otherwise they're.

Like an independent woman.

Oh good god, what am I do with that?

Ain't that the truth? Ah?

Baby, you made it work. You made it work, and you got that baby, which was like a sweet baby. It was two of them, right.

I remember that baby.

She had so much hair and I loved she was a little butterball I love.

Yeah, that's a great shot at the end.

Yeah, how weird for parents to bring their new baby onto a set and have all these strangers want to touch it? Like I didn't think about that when we were in the thick of it, but now as a parent, I'm like.

What, Yeah, so strange? I must be really, I don't know. I mean, I guess to each their own. Maybe somebody's comfortable with it. It would make me so uncomfortable. I could not do that.

Well, you also hit that point in early parenthood where you're like, anybody take this baby. So maybe that's the phase we like, that's actually improbably.

If someone could just hold this for me.

Yeah, you're just so sleep deprived. Like, am I gonna be allowed to sleep? Because I will hand this baby to you. If there is a friendly that I I need to.

Go disassociate for thirty five minutes, someone take the baby.

I spent last weekend with with my best friend and my godson, and one of her closest friends in Detroit has a six month old. She came to eat with us and like, you know, we sit down to eat and I'm like, give me the baby, and she's like, no, no, really, it's fine. And I was like, you have a six month old. You haven't been able to independently use your hands to eat a meal? Yeah, in more days than I bet you can remember, So just give me the baby. And she was like, oh my god, you so.

Don't say no.

Just give me the baby.

We got, give me the baby.

Let's pass this little boy around.

I love it. Do they touch you? They're always they're always touching you and on you and pulling at you. And it's great, it's great that you did that for I can't I have a role now, Like I can't. She can't touch me when I'm eating, She'll do me no, Like I can't I did. It was too much when she was a baby. So now that she can eat independently, I mean, obviously I get just twelve years old. But like for many years, I've said, just don't you cannot touch me if I'm eating. It's too stressful.

George pinches when she's eating. She has a thing where when she's eating, she has to pinch your knuckles or your elbow.

I thought that was just when you were reading her a story.

It's all the time. But like it used to be when I was reading her story, she'd be like drinking her bottle and she would do it. No, she has to be pinching your loose flesh so that you feel so old and pruney and wrinkly. If she can find loose flesh on you, she's going for it. Ear lobes, She's real into those that. Yeah, she's a pincher.

Yeah. The last thing we have here is Barbara's back. Barbara at the end comes in as the nanny that Haley finally hires. I remember doing the scenes we were interviewing all those nanny's. Was pretty funny. But yeah, we hire Barbara. So I'm super excited that the barber's back. But that's Oh, that's right, because that's how she ends up in the cornfield with Nanny carry later, isn't it also how she ends up with skills? Oh you might be right about that.

Guys. That is like that is a core memory.

So much juicy stuff coming juicy, love it, ready for it?

I'm into that all right? So what are your honorable mentions for this episode?

What are we thinking? Robbie Jones for me? I guess I gotta say like he wins, he was so good.

Do we have a fan question for this episode?

What do we got? I also honorable mention to mouth having the ingredients for an apple martini and in his apartment. It's pretty funny.

In an apple martini.

I don't know.

I do not.

I do not drink apple flavored gross.

But like when you're twenty one, you think it's cool and fancy. I did, yeah, And now I go, you couldn't pay me. I wouldn't do it.

Gross. Green apple martini is made with apple liqueur. That's where we stop right there. Vodka, apple liquor lemon juice. Gross. It's basically just like it's like a Jollie Rocks. Yeah, it's like a yeah, like a juice box or a jolly rancher. I bet that would be better.

Like if you had a little Caprice Son apple juice with vodka some vodka.

Cool would probably be delicious.

I'm sure somebody's on a rap drink in that right now.

All summer long. George can't say Caprice Son. She calls him prissants, and I thought she priissants, like she kept saying it like it was this fancy French drink, like Mom, I need a Priissants, and I'd be like, what are you talking about, Caprice Son. We're gonna call a Caprice Son and vodka priissants.

Okay.

So our fan question is, if Haley and Nathan didn't get married in high school, do you think they still would have ended up together? From Ashley, I don't think it had anything to do with getting married, No, I think it was having the kid together because they both came from complicated parental relationships, and Haley's was certainly better than Nathan's. But I think they they both wanted to reinvent what parenting looked like and committed to it. Yeah, because every time you two fight in these like post high school years, it's always like well, let's pull our shit together for the kid, right, was figured it.

Out for if they didn't have the kid, though, do you think No? I don't think so either. Yeah, I don't know.

No.

I think they both would have just moved on and missed each other and like found other people, because I think a.

Lot of people will work things out for kids, and sometimes that's beautiful and sometimes they shouldn't. H Like, sometimes people use.

Well, it's not really working it out well.

Exactly, it's like you stay because of the kid, but then you just model like a toxic, unhealthy relationship for a kid who has to unpack it for the next twenty five years in therapy. Sorry kid, Sorry, So that's tough.

But like I also, I think.

It can be really interesting because I think sometimes like the idea of kids, the idea of what your dynamic is going to be for children, can be the reason people call it as well. Yeah, and so there really is something interesting about Haley and Nathan because they got pregnant so young that they had to evolve into a dynamic together not only into their marriage as adults, but into it with a baby. Yeah, you know, like that's a lot of work that they had to do, and I think I think as an audience, witnessing it and knowing they loved each other and knowing how hard they worked on it made us root for them. But yeah, if they didn't have the kid, like, would would they have worked that hard? I don't know.

Is there a faction of the audience that ever wanted Haley to break up with Nathan and be with Lucas, like to do the Dawson's Creek thing, right?

I remember hearing a little bit of that and some of the fan mail that I would get early on people like there was definitely a small, small, much smaller camp of people who are interested in that, but it went away pretty quickly. I never heard much of it after season two. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it was Lucas and Peyton. I mean, I think that was the story that had been set up since the pilot. That's that was the story that they had to finish and follow through. No turning back, kids, no turning back. Well, I'm glad that Haley and Nathan stayed married. Me too, and I find it believable.

Like I just it's back to school time and I'm looking at my Facebook to see all of my friends' kids going to school. And I love the couples from my hometown that are still together from high school, like so sweet. Their kids are old as hell, they had kids like ight away kids are going to college now and I can love it. Good for them. Do we want to spin a wheel?

Give me that wheel and a spinning This week's most likely too, most likely to win big at a casino?

Well, we don't gamble, so yeah, that's what you just said.

Yeah, what is big?

All right?

Character? Which characters take it at home? Deb's got casino energy?

Yes, you know what I mean.

Yeah, like deb at the craps table, just clean it up.

Oh my god, I want that for her so bad, to just walk out of there with like one hundred thousand dollars and.

Be like, yeah, she's a what I mean? And it might be Barb in real life.

Yeah, I was gonna say too, it feels like Barbara. Yeah, because Barbara just feels like a lucky woman, like her daughters are amazing, everything's always like, you know, she's just such a positive force and always always nice. Good things happen around Barbara.

Yep, She's so vividly alive. And I love that now that two of her daughters are adults. They're just like doing cool girls trips together, like their trips all over America. There's got to be a casino in there somewhere. I'm I'll call Emily, girl. You and your mama win some money, I hope. So, all right, what's next week? I'm gonna watch next week's episode now that I now that I'm all caught up. Uh, Season five, episode fifteen, Life is short. That's an understatement. All right, ladies, thanks for covering for me this week.

Honestly, it's kind of fun. Fill in the blanks are fun.

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