The Class of 2007 • EP420

Published Apr 10, 2023, 4:12 AM

It’s graduation day in Tree Hill and Joy, Hilarie and Sophia are looking back and reflecting on what they’re still learning.  

Find out who rises as a surprising model mentor, whose humbling ended up being super hot and what moment brought everyone to tears.

First of all, you don't know me. We all about that high school drama, Girl drama girl, all about them high school queens forever. We'll take you for a ride at our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit with us, Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. Oh you guys, Okay, how many of us are feeling big feelings right now? So many big feelings. This one was a sneak attack. It felt like it made me weepy at multiple points. But god, at the end there I just started. So it's like, oh no, it's all coming out. Yeah. When wit Berry was talking to Nathan at the cemetery, is that what go? Oh my god, We'll get there. Yeah. Just thinking about killer, what a killer? Oh so beautiful? All right, kids, we're back with episode four twenties, Season four, episode twenty, The Birth and Death of Day. It originally aired June sixth, two thousand and seven, as graduation day Dawn's in Tree Hill. Some dreams begin as others end. Hayley prepares for her graduation speech and her role as a young mother, all Nathan prepares for life without basketball, Brook makes a heartfelt confession that puts her future in jeopardy. Lucas confronts Dan as Karen's life is threatened. Peyton is awesome. Dev is awesome. None of this is in a synopsis, but it feels important. Mouth is awesome, Antoine is awesome, and so is Bevin And let's go. Everyone is an Do you guys like that the only people on the Wall of honor were our friends? Like no other kid accomplished anything in Tree Hill High School. I noticed that I love that it was a purple again, always purple, and it was made out of those little cardboard letters that preschool teachers use on their walls. Yeah, arts and crafts. It is so weird, though, You're right that there wasn't like somebody who excelled at Spanish who we didn't know, but just another member of the senior class. Yeah where the science fair kids? Man, exactly, someone did some incredible engineering project, just the just the main characters of the TV show. They were so rushed. It's the end of the season. The art Department's like, I am not going to come up with six extra personalities to honor on this wall not happening. Did you guys have like walls of honor in your high school sidebar? But remember we used to shoot at Lanyard all the time and they had that whole case. It was all Michael Jordan, Oh yeah, everything. Yeah, here's a piss me off. We had the like the trophy case and the wall of honor at my high school and it was only sports. And then I would go back to our total rival high school where Patton Oswald went, and he had a whole like fucking shrine for theater, and I was like, why don't we have a figure shrine at our school? And so he and I arrivals, and I just feel like, I feel like he got a little bit more respect. A broad run, yeah that I got a park view. Yeah. I mean going to an all girls school, we had everything, like people's art projects would get featured on certain ends of the hallway. They'd do exhibitions of like the photography class and there'd be photos from theater stuff and from like I don't know, girls volleyball and whatever. But we had we had boards all down the hallways, so there wasn't just like one zone. There wasn't one construction paperboard. There wasn't one sad little wall with four little photos. I can't remember. That makes me want to go back to my high school and walk around, and I know the art room had a bit, we had art in the basement, and that there was always cool stuff on display there because there's just so much space, but I don't know. There definitely was a sports, a heavy sports bent at my school too, so I don't really remember anything else. Graduation ceremony is a big deal. I mean that the lead up to that is there's a lot going on in this episode. It's like you have all this trauma happening, but then this very normal American rite of passage also happening, and so the extreme versus the mundane is definitely on display here. I really liked, actually, to your point, how they highlighted that in that montage series they did of everybody getting ready, and you see Brooke and Chase just playing trying on their graduation gowns and caps, and it's so sweet and childish, and it's juxtaposed with Peyton and Lucas in the hospital and Nathan's at the factory, and you realize that there's just all this sort of disparate experience happening. I thought that was really a good choice. I think that's kind of what high school feels like. You know, everybody at school is its own little community, and that when we're all experiencing the drama between each other. But then everybody goes home and they have their whole home life and all this stuff that so many people in class don't know about. So it felt very still, very connected to real life high school way to that experience of all the drama that is behind the scenes that nobody knows about. Yeah, well it starts off with the batch stuff. I mean we had forgotten Lucas shot it Dan, Yeah, how do we miss that? Also, when I just love when a high school kid is like a sharpshooter. He's like a shot right next to your face. Next time, I won't miss I was just like, this is so funny. It was a warning shot. Yeah it was. It was kind of like it was really intense. I didn't expect Karen to be in a comma the whole episode. That surprised me either, But I did really like seeing Lucas and Debb together because I don't actually know if they've ever had a scene together. Remember he caught her with the pills in the kitchen and she was really threatening with him back then. So I love the arc of their relationship. I love that she's mothering him in place of his mother. M Yeah, that's good. And I like that she's ferocious about it. The way that Barbara can infuse something serious with really great comedy and ride the line of both things I think is so cool. And when she walks into the room and is super sweet with the two of you, Hilary and sent you away, and then she just slaps the hit him. Man, Wow, that was brutal, but it was so it felt so real and like she couldn't contain the emotion and she was so upset and it shocked me and it made me laugh, and it was it was just like a perfectly played moment of intensity. And I really liked that dynamic between them. I like that he that she calls him out and that he admits it to her and then confides in her and she's the first person to believe him. That was special. I like that she cops to her crazy you know. And Principal Turner also hits this point when he and broke her together, and he says, I know I must seem ancient to you. I loved that. It was so true. I'm sure Deb is feeling the same thing, Like you must think I'm an idiot. You must think I'm so old that I don't know what you're thinking. And you know, when we were the kids on the show, I say that in quotes, we did look at the people who are older than us. Is kind of separate in a way. Yeah, And now that we're their age, it's like, no, I'm hipped to what all you little dumb dumbs are doing. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is when you're young, you look at the generation above you and you think, man, they're old and they're probably missing it. And then you get into the generation above the young people, and you're like, I know everything you're doing and everything you're gonna do for the next twenty years. You ding dung. I'm so much smarter than you, So come on, like, let me mentor you let me help you. And I like that. In her way, Deb goes from being a parent who's afraid and angry to being a mentor, to being the person he can confide in and the person who gives him advice and the person who offers to protect him in that moment. It was a really cool arc for her in this episode alone. It's so true. It wasn't until my late thirties that I really started realizing exactly what you were just saying, Sophia, that the older generation isn't out of it there, they just are so far advanced beyond and that you still feel like you're young. No matter how old you get, you still there are still days when you feel like I still feel like I'm eighteen, like I'm twenty. And I remember my parents used to say that when they were in their thirties and forties, and I was like, oh, whatever, and I don't get it. But in high school I definitely definitely felt like us against them. I left that he said that, and it really resonated. It just reminded me how I'm looking at my daughter now. And Hill, I'm sure you look at your kids and remember the way that you looked at people your age when you were young, right, didn't. I thought thirty was so old, but so not. My best friend Nick came to visit, and he was just hanging out with Gus and like being around some of Gus's friends and just hearing some stories about school, and we were talking about how some of the other kids at school, the teachers, and this sense of like kids being or adults being bullied by children, or adults being put in their place by children. He was like, God, I just never even thought about it because I always thought teachers were so secure and solid, or just adults in general were so secure and solid. But we really are on the same emotional wavelength as like a teenager. We're yeah, there's a there's an equality there that's so depressing. Once you realize that secret, you're like, oh no, I'm never gonna advance, I'm always gonna feel this way. Well, it's like when you realize that being bullied always stings. Do you want sorry? I guess the puppy Okay, you can have it back? Like, why is he pawn at my feet? It is really weird, you know, I can't believe you just said that, because it reminds me. I was talking to a friend of mine about this on Sunday night, and we were talking about how weird the Internet is because you think everyone's having the same conversation and then you realize people really aren't and I remember years ago there was like a group of kids that were clearly fans of our show who, like my Twitter just kept blowing up. They were doing what looked like it was like they were having a whole conversation with each other. It was all in dialogue from our show, and I just thought it was so funny, and it just so happened that I was like, that's cool. Sitting in the makeup chair at work, and my Twitter just kept like every ten seconds, I had like fifty six notifications, and so I started to read it and I was laughing, and I was like, they keep tagging me and all these things, like they're tagging a bunch of us, they want us to participate. I just happened to have my phone in my hand, so I responded with something and everybody laughed and it was funny. And then somebody said, like one of your lines Hillary from like when we were fighting on the show. It was just something like sassy, you know, And so I hit back with the like season seven Brooke, Julie and Alex of it all, and I was like, oh, does Brook Davis have to slap a bit? Like thinking so funny because it because it was you know something about hitting, and these kids went ballistic and We're like, oh my god, I can't believe you would say that to me. You're an adult. How embarrassing. And then it turned into like eevil hag and I was like, oh, I guess you guys haven't actually seen the whole show. I thought we were playing a game. This was sharades. I was like, I'm so and I literally was like, so, you're not on season seven yet? And then it turned into this like hole. It was so weird, and I was like, I think I need to leave the internet. How do I get out of it? Nothing is what you think it is anywhere? And I'm a grown up and I'm very uncomfortable, and I think these kids are fifteen ye And I'm just gonna exit stage left. You wanted all the attention. This has gotten weird. We can't tangle a teenagers, man, you can't do it. I was like, I'm twice your age and I'm uncomfortable. I don't know what's going on here, but I'm going have a good time. There's some money for snacks, kids. Yeah, I was like, enjoy. Let me know when you get let me know when you get a couple of seasons advanced. No. I mean, look, there's a there's a generational divide in this episode, for sure, and it's weird for us to watch it at this phase in our life because now we're on the other side of it. I oh, man, I feel like Whitey's the only true adult, do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure, but maybe he's also not. I thought Karen was too, but then we saw this side of her that was of the vulnerability of needing, like the way she was getting sucked back into things with Dan. It's like that part of her that hadn't still healed from high school was like she was it was an open wound. Yeah. But yeah, Whitey seems to be the one who's always got everything under control. I wonder if Whitey's just so far past so much of his life experience, so far past his trauma, his wounds, but they don't affect him in the same way because it is wild right at our age, which Karen is in the show, when something hits you and you go, oh, that happened to me twenty years ago, and it still hurts when somebody puts pushes a finger in that bruise. Yeah. Wow, like it can be shocking as an adult to realize you carry trauma around with you from the past. And I just like, do you think when you get to be our parents' age, you know, like my parents are in their seventies. Do you think when you get to be that old, you're just like A and I did it all. I'm good, I'm done. No, it's healed. Give me a cocktail. No, maybe it's just whitey. Then you get worse, Yeah, because it's harder to change. The older you get, the harder it is to change. You got no time. Well, old people who don't deal with their trauma, like old people who don't go to therapy are mean. Yeah, they're mean. It's true. Q are better help add go right? You know who else is an adult though? In this episode is skills his dad. YEA love him. I loved him. I don't know who this actor is, but he was so great. Why it wasn't he on the show more? He was so natural. I wish we'd gotten more of him, I know. And he was just so in control and sensible and like the kind of guy you He was another whitey type where you would just want to go sit down and have a chat with him and feel like he would be embracing and give you wisdom. Oh, I needed more of Skills his dad. But I loved seeing Skills in Bevin in this episode because we needed the levity. So that was really fun. We needed the levity. And what was nice because our show was so often so milk toast and was really afraid to talk about actual, you know, dynamics in a place like North Carolina. I appreciated that even though we gave it a very leave it to beaver ending, we acknowledged the fact that Antine that Skills had a different experience. We acknowledged the fact that it can be volatile, you know in a small town in the South, when like a white cheerleader starts dating a black athlete, like it was important to not keep ignoring it. Yeah, it would have been nice if they had if they had gone into it a little bit more though, it would have been cool, be cool like season arc. Actually, it would have been a cool arc rather than a we know, we haven't done this, and it's pretty weird that we haven't, So we're gonna bomp it in this episode and wrap it up by the end. You know, that's something that's so typical and unfortunate about I think big network shows as they try to like slide things in in small doses. But I was glad to see it. And to your point, it was really fun knowing Antoine and Bevin as well as we do, to watch them play a dynamic together and figure out how to put both heart and humor into it. Like I liked watching them play those scenes because they did things with them that you know, weren't on the page. Even the fact that when Bevin even brought it up or the skills bring it up on the basketball court the very first time it was introduced in the episode, and Bevin the way it was written, I was just listening to the words, going, this could have been really milked. It could have been like a meaningful, deep conversation that was like kind of scary, and I love that Bevin just she just buzzed right through it. It was like all up here on this high level of like yeah, well all right, it's gonna be fine. And if not, then they're not the parents that raised them to be. That was my favorite line. It was great me too, that if not, then they're not the parents I raised them to be. I was like that golden, golden And by the way, from this vantage point, doesn't that hit differently because you go, yeah, yep, when you go through life with your parents, you kind of have to be their parents too. Yep. Yeah, I mean even they're just textbooks were so different when they were in high school than they were when we were in high school, and even more so now. You know, like there is a re education process, and so as a as a parent, I always want to know more from my kids, you know, like, what are you hearing that I heard differently in the nineties, eight billion years ago? You know. That's one of my favorite things about being a parent. Yeah, it's just learning, learning things through their eyes and through as we discover new information and as everything changes. Just being able to watch the world through her eyes and not be threatened by it. Right, it's so educational. I love it. Yeah. I do love that Skill's family made an appearance. I wish they would have made an appearance sooner. And I wish that they had been friends with Karen, Like if these little boys grew up together, I'm friends with all of US's friends parents. You know. Yeah, that's a no brainer. That's like she should have been sitting in Karen's living rooms from episode two and like a regular face that we saw all the time. Yes, can you imagine what Antoine's mom's commentary on like the deb and Dan of it all would have been? Magic? Magic? Yeah? Where was she when Karen started day? Dan like we needed Skills as mom's voice, especially because Skills his mom could have been like, you're going to go on a date with that man who and fill in the blank of some high school experience, some terrible thing Dan did, Like she could have given us all the backstory of them and then we waved to your point. Had these experiences, I would have loved to have seen family dinners at Karen's with Lucas and Skills and Skills as parents and like some of the other boys from the team. That would have been so special. Having like just sat through rec league basketball, which I don't want to brag, but Gus Morgan's team totally won the championship last week, you guys, hey, And just so you know, it felt just like a Raven's basketball game. I was so back in it, just like it's like any but you sit there with the other parents and whether that's the only time you see them, or you talk to each other all the time, like there's a bond there unless you're the most anti social, awful person on the planet. And Karen's not that person. So no, she would have definitely been friends with all these other sports parents. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a shame. Well, I'm just going to rewrite it in my mind. So that's how I watched the show from now on when I think back, Yeah on it. Well, okay, let's talk about Nathan, because what's interesting is this role reversal of Nathan now working in a factory. I mean, I don't know the Luca's ever worked in a factory, but a blue collar job. And I loved seeing a young man who has is dealing with difficult circumstances make tough choices for his family and from a hopeful place. He wasn't being a victim, he wasn't like suffering through it. It was I'm just I'm going to do the right thing and things are going to work out and I'll figure it out. And he had such a good attitude about it, and it really went along with Hailey's speech about the world doesn't owe you anything. I loved that because it's I think I personally think that's so true, and I think we really got to see the mirror of that with how Nathan was approaching walking into this new job. Well, for Nathan, I wonder how much of it is he grew up with the money, he grew up with the big house, he grew up with the camps and the privilege and all of that, and so the loss of that doesn't mean anything because it didn't It didn't solve the problems, you know, And so being with Haley and having a strong family unit solves the problems. That's the that's the thing to guard. That's good. Yeah, And I think it's really interesting too. What what's sort of arresting about it when you when you watch that scene between Nathan and Skills on the river court, and Skills of course, assumes Nathan's talking about did you get me a spot on your team? And then Nathan reveals no, I'm asking I can take the job. And the shock because Skills is, as the story goes, you work hard, you move forward, maybe you get a scholarship, you know, you succeed upward. And the question being asked is is Nathan now beginning to fall? This boy has fallen off his pedestal. He's not going to the best basketball school in the world on a free ride scholarship anymore. And it's it's something I found really refreshing about seeing these kids talk about how hard it is to afford college, how hard it is to figure out your finances. You know, Nathan saying to Haley, we can't afford to both go to college, so I'll get a job. That's most people's reality. You know. They say that the average person in America is a four hundred dollars emergency away from bankruptcy. So how do you figure out those student loans? How do you figure out that that future for yourself? And I thought it was really refreshing for the first time that I can remember anyway on TV seeing a kid who, to your point, had it all, all the money, all the camps, all the everything was always covered for him, every opportunity. Yeah, and now he doesn't have anything, and he's got to figure it out, and the thing he prioritizes is his family. It really begs the question, which ties back to what you just said, Hillary, what is success? What does success really mean? Because everybody has this idea in high school of what they're supposed to become and how it's supposed to all. And we saw that when Haley was practicing her speech and turned around and saw Nathan covered in Greece and sweat, and you know, it's like, oh, it's not Maybe it's not all about like my dreams and being everything I want to be, Like what does success actually look like? I love trade school, man. I have so many kids that come and ask me about like college and what do I do if I want to do this? And if I want to be in film, what's the trajectory? I love trade school. We need electricians in film. We need plumbers, we need carpenters, we need all of these specialized skills. To me, they're everybody as important as surgeons, you know. And our country doesn't necessarily treat four year or six year graduates the same way they treat tradespeople. But I have pushed back against this any opportunity I get because I love a trade school. We have a program. I mean, we had a program in high school when I was growing up that was called votech Vocational Technology. And here we've got boss in New York. Man, get out there and learn a skill and like, yes, work a job that facilitates a life that you love. Yes, that's it. There's a big votech near where my husband grew up in Oklahoma, and it's an incredible school. Yeah. And like now, even the sort of electrical trajectory like the track if you want to go become like an electrician at that school is running all the way up to being able to build wind turbines for clean internets. It's incredible. And let me tell you something. When I'm at home trying not to electrocute myself watching YouTube videos to learn how to install a dimmer because like I just want the lights to not be so bright at night, I'm thinking I really wish I'd taken some more practical ship in college because I don't know how to do anything, and I'm learning it all from the internet. Yes, because if you think about how much money now as as grown ups and homeowners we spend on having people come over, you probably save your weight intuition if you just went to school after you know, once you get out and you go have a life, you save all that money because you know how to do it yourself. It's incredible. And by the way, you know, to your point joy, you've ever done any work on your home or you've lived in your home when your parents have done work on your home. I'm like, man, it would be so cool to make a great salary as like a contractor or a builder, and you know you get to kind of set your own projects. Yeah, it's your own stuff. I'm like, what's that kind of empowerment? Look like you gotta sit around and you know, make tapes and wait for people to give us jobs. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I just want to learn how to tile my own bathroom. That is all I want to do. And it's it's awesome that there are careers where you're not just sitting in an office. Yeah. I frankly, I'm just gonna say it. I'm pissed that Nathan doesn't stay in the factory because when he came home all covered in Greece and sinewy and muscly and dirty, Damn wasn't that sexy? Y'all? I wouldn't have minded a couple seasons of Nathan just being muscly and lifting up heavy. By the way, I love that the writers were like, isn't this sad? And the three of us were like, no, that's hot. So hot. It was adult too. You know, there's um like, I like that Nathan has this dream of playing basketball, but it does have a Peter Pan quality to it of not quite wanting to grow up, and you know that is part of graduation. There are kids that go right into growing up stuff if they're not already doing it, and then there are the kids who have the privilege of continuing to be teenagers for another two, four or six years. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a dropout. I got what I needed out of my first two years of school. I had a good paying job. I was producing TV cool. And so when my kid, I mean, my son is already stressing out about college, and I'm just like, I think I'm doing the reverse psychology thing where I'm like, are you sure you want to go that route? Are you sure you don't want to just start paying when you're eighteen work your way up that way? Because I think so much pressures put on these kids, like you have to have to go yeah, well, and so much pressures put on kids now to be good at everything they're supposed to have, like a sport, a musician something you know, like a musical instrument and an extracurricular and a debate team and a charity thing. Yeah. Yeah, like one thing. You're supposed to try out all the things and figure out what you like and then go do that thing. You know, I thought I was going to be a heart surgeon. I had an arts requirement. I did a play, but you sort of for I sort of was eventually I played one on TV, but like event you know, I had. I had an arts requirement for a semester. I thought, I'll go do this one play and it'll be fun. And it changed the course of my life. I figured out what I liked better. I love to tell stories. I love to to be in community, and it shifted for me. You're a different kind of heart doctor. That's okay, we're empathy surgeon. Oh all right, hey, you said it, all right, doctor doctor Davis. You said it in the episode. You were like, why is every pregnancy on this show like so threatening? Why is every woman almost dying when she has a baby on our show? It's really weird. It's like an easy tar get for vulnerability. Maybe, yes, it is a really delicate time, and it is. It can be very scary. You know, anything can go wrong, But I don't know. It feels like every chick who gets pregnant has to be in peril so that a boy can come in and save her. How my pregnancies have we had on the show, though, Well, we know that we've got We've got Karen, we know we have Peyton is going to almost die? Yeah, Brooke, do you almost die? Yeah? Okay, oh so every time? Yeah? So in the trajectory of the future, this is what happens, and you got hit by a car while you were pregnant, right, yeah, we forgot about that one. It's really weird. I don't know, guys, I feel like we can do better. I wish we'd known ahead of watching the episode today that Moira was going to be in a coma as Karen the whole time, because I would have loved to just grab her for five minutes and be like, is that fun for you or boring? Did you get to actually nap or was it annoying to have to come in and get into makeup? To just get into bed with your eyes closed? I have questions. Well, it's fun, it's fun to come in and get you. I had to be in a coma. You just good to get your makeup on and lay down. It seems like Karen's in a coma for like a while, right, Oh is she she? I mean he brings her in. Oh in the episode yeah, oh days, yes, yes, yeah, because the graduation and there was a track we even tracked something all of us. At the beginning of the episode, Lucas, Peyton, and Deb are all in their clothes from the day that Karen was brought in. Well know, I changed my shirt. Oh oh you change Sorry, that's what it was. A weird clothing jump. Yeah, it's Lucas and Deb who are still in their clothes from the day before, the day Karen comes to the hospital. But you guys have changed, Joy, you and James have changed. You're now in that like red and white tank top moment. So they were trying to show that it's overnights from the very beginning of the episode. From from early scenes. Yeah, oh and I got a tan overnight too, girl, it worked. Where'd you go for the weekend? Joy? Guys? Was this the time? Do you remember? Was it Rachel Kick who set up the spray tan shower the trailer? Yeah, and she had like did she do our air brushing or hired somebody, But I think that was my first like air brushed tan that I had gotten in the Yeah, so you don't remember that, Sophia. Rachel Kick was so fun. Tell everybody who Rachel Kick was. She was our makeup artist. She was great. I did love Rachel. She was our makeup artist for a long time. But she came in. She came in and set up this like shower. I think it was also a year. Maybe we got a bigger hair and makeup trailer. But she set up all of these curtains, the plastic curtains all over the walls, on the floor, and then she just would go in there in our uh you know, pasties and an underwear and they would just spray tan. Us. You don't, just Sophia, you don't remember this, not really. I didn't spray tan. I don't know if I did either. I'm pretty pale. I don't like being in my underwear in front of anyone ever either. I'm such a prude. Maybe it was just me and Bevin. I don't know. You guys were tan and glowing and all beautiful and stuff. Because I remember season four there was a person who shall remain nameless, a producer Who'd come out from La Who in the in a way that made me feel so uncomfortable. It was like, look at your skin, It's like milk. Thank you. So I remember that I was so that I was so pale in season four that people were telling me I looked like a dairy product. So I don't think I was getting a spray tan. Look at you, You're like goat cheese. Yeah. Wow, you're like a little Kim and Bear there ammon milk. So creepy. Rachel kick was fun. She was so cool. Yeah, she was spicy. Man. No, I love the tan tanning spray. It was fun. Yeah, you had a lot going on that was really good. You had like a really good Pam Anderson messy bun in this episode. Yeah. I love that messy bun and the graduation hair, the big curls I love so much. Did you have input in this graduation speech? I think I did. Actually, I remember as I was watching it back it felt like something I had tweaked. I don't remember specifically, but I do. It did feel like I really liked it a lot, probably because I put my beIN on It's better now. It was so great, guy, let me read it you know what, fast forward to whatever season Brooke gets married in. I've said it publicly before. It's the same shit about her wedding balls. I'm like, you want to know why they were so good? I wrote them. There's a point like, by now in season four, we know our characters so well and the point you're making, like, really think about it. They even did the flashback in this episode to that scene with you and Lucas and Karen in season one with Julius Caesar. Yeah, that's right. All of this has been Haley's journey. Who knows that better than you? Yeah? Well, I mean I think all the Julius Caesar stuff was for sure, they're from the writer's room. I didn't like completely rewrite the speech, but I did feel, at least toward the end of it that I had kind of like maybe the world doesn't owe us anything. I wonder if I put that in or maybe it was already written and I I really don't know. Sorry, I don't can't remember. I know they did the arc of the Caesar stuff, But I just mean for you that this journey and the points you're making like it's it's it's your four year arc is wrapped up in that speech. So I don't know. Maybe maybe it's just knowing what's gone into it. I can see it when you're giving it from that stage. It's really special. It's fun. I remember that episode. It was weird to be in a graduation gown and cap. Again, we didn't have a cap and gown at my high school. What you didn't know? You we we graduated in in dresses, like in gowns, like full dresses. It was tradition. Please tell me it was like a ballgown. It everyone wears a white dress, like because our the formal uniform at my high school is a white uniform like a Sue Mills uniform with a green w on the pocket. And so the thing was like on every really formal day at school, everyone wears their white uniform since like I don't in nineteen ten or something, and so you would graduate in a white dress. And I mean, I guess you could wear a gown if you wanted to. But some people's fine like cocktail dresses. Some like this cool girl that I knew who was a year younger than me, Whinnie, always wore a suit and she wore a white suit. Like it was always a vibe and and now I was actually so silly, but I was on a zoom with my with the head of my school. That's not silly, that's cool. It's so cuty. And she was like, well, we've transitioned to cap and gowns. And I was like, I only ever got one on TV, So it's so funny. That's today. Joy, What do you remember from your graduation? I had just gotten a tattoo and I had to cover it and had my foot was wrapped in saran wrapped to keep the tattoo clean or whatever. And I remember I remember my parents had just gotten divorced like two years prior, and both of them maybe had just gotten remarried like six months before my graduation or something like that. So I remember there being some weird, a little weird tension, but mostly I remember standing up there and it was I was always still focused on this boy that I loved, and you know, it's so you're going to sign my yearbook and then like so there was a boy that I loved, and there were a couple others that I just had crushes on, like in case the backup plan didn't work, you know, And I just remember all the yearbook signing and running around, and I think there was a sense of emptiness but also excitement. It was, you know, sad and like I was happy to be leaving, but also it felt a little unfulfilling. I kind of in the same way that like a wedding or prom does, where it's such a big build up and then it happens and you're like, oh, okay, I don't know what about you guys, you have specific memories. Well, our graduation was covered by the local cable access network, like remember like a channel three was always like the local cable access channel, and they had a camera set up at the end of the aisle where you process in and then you process out. So you processed in passing the camera, you went and you sat in a little folding chairs. You did graduation, and then you process out. And I this is a dumb thing to say, but I had been homecoming Queen and the boy who was homecoming king also had the last name with a bee It was Matt Brownlee. And we didn't necessarily like each other. We weren't pals. And as we're processing out, you know, I'm like feeling com emotional, and he processes out from the boy's side, and I process out from the girl's side, and we happened to meet up and he's like, I'm gonna stop you and I'm gonna kiss you right in front of that camera. And I was like, you know what, okay, and so on cable access, he like dips me and kisses me and stops the procession, and you just hear all the parents up in the stands like what are you doing? Did all the kids hipp in holler? Oh? Yeah? Everyone was like macap you know, It's like, it's funny. It was funny, fun It was funny, and it was like it's nice to be in a moment and know it's a moment and be like this is gonna be something I laugh at later. But yeah, Matt Brown and I totally made out on Kimble Access. It was well, that's so fun. Yeah, I've never spoken to him again. I'm glad Brooke got to graduate. I thought that was really I was wondering how they were going to handle that, because I really, I mean, I knew I knew you did. I felt like I remembered that you did graduate, but I wasn't sure how they're going to handle it, and I. I liked it. I was happy that, you know, you went and made a case for yourself. And he was like, all right, you're not going to like be a bridge builder, right, go go graduate, You're not going to study engineering. No. I loved that, and I loved that it was really for her to make it right, for her to be able to respect herself, yeah, and to be willing to take the consequences, but still to say, I've done all this really good stuff and I think I've grown a lot, and you know, please don't, please don't ruin my life, but if you have to, it was funny because please don't ruin my life, just please over in my life. I remembered that full scene with Principal Turner and how it felt and what it felt like to figure out how to play all of those lines because on paper they're a little ridiculous, yea. And we had this very sort of human experience as people to our earlier points, sort of seeing across the divide at each other. I fully forgot COLLETTI ran into that scene. I was so surprised when we ran up in the hall. We were all surprised. It was so cute. Yeah, it was so sweet. I will say I was really relieved because you know, you never know what you remember what you don't. When we walked out, I was like, why isn't Brooke asking if Rachel can graduate, why isn't she doing that? I was really bothered all episode trying to figure out is she going to call her? Are they going to get her to come back? Like how does it happen because she's at the party. And then to realize that Turner did it, I was like, Oh, that's a nice that's a nice moment that they gave to him to allow him to for that kindness was I thought, very sweet. Last hurrah for Principal Turner, who I don't know if we ever see again. Oh he's so good though, you know, Like my two favorite scenes in this episode are the scene with broken Principal Turner and Nathan and Whitey. And I think that's because I have a really soft spot for teachers. They have stepped into my life when I needed guidance outside of my home, and even as an adult, there's still my parental figures. You know. My teachers come and visit me and stay in my house, and I love that they can be something other than just you know who they are in the history classroom or the science classroom. Principal Turners looking at the trajectory of Brooke Davis's life and making the decision, I'm not going to traumatize this kid. He probably knows that your parents aren't around like teachers know everything. Yeah, he knows what your variables are. And I love that he made a a decision that would lift you up instead of taking you down a notch. And that's what good teachers do. They read the circumstances that Well said, that's so true. Well, the Whitey Nathan scene, y'all want to talk about some blubbery women. Oh, blubbering for sure, sobbing. And he gives Hailey credit for it. He gives you credit for it. I thought he was going to retire. I thought he was done. Yeah, just the way he comes through And did he do it just for Nathan. Yeah, Nathan just looked his father in the eye and said, you will never know my son. Nathan just cut off the limb that is his parent, which is the hardest thing for a kid to do. And Whitey a short time later steps right into the role. He is the father that Nathan needed. Yes, because Nathan's about to be a far he needs someone to show him how to do it. He didn't have Uncle Keith to show him the way Lucas did. So now Nathan's got no father figure, nobody to walk him through how to handle a baby or a toddler or raise a young man. And yes, Whitey's stepping right into that role. That is community at its finest. And Nathan has twice the wound because think about it, he emancipated himself to get away from his toxic father and then as he saw his father changing and becoming a kinder man and showing up for people and being more gentle and essentially, unbeknownst to Nathan, softening in the wake of the worst thing that Dan has ever done. Yeah, he welcomed his dad back and he said, I love you, I'm on your side. I know you couldn't have done this. Oh yeah, I'll fight for you. Just tell me you didn't do this. And Dan can't do it. And so Nathan, it's not even just that he walks away from his dad. He's walked away and then been willing to let him back in. That's sort of like God that that double injury and what I realized watching Whitey say it's not a great school and they haven't won anything, and there's there's this position Whitey is showing up for Nathan in his in his moment of emergency, in the way Dan did not, which led Nathan to take that money. Oh God, like white He's going backwards and healing past trauma for Nathan. Wow. And it's really beautiful. I think that's why we all wept because for years now we've wanted this boy to have a father who puts him first, and his father figure Coach, is the one that does it. And it's really beautiful. The conversation that Nathan has with Dan was kind of jarring for me to watch because I just spent the whole weekend doing some work on it couldn't happen here, the true crime show that I work on. And what we run into in that scenario is a lot of people who refuse to believe the facts and they say things like, no, that person could never do that, that person is not corrupt, but we have all the evidence that they are. And that duality where anybody can be a good guy or a bad guy in your life, and even if they're a bad guy in your life. Chances are they're also a really good guy in someone else's life. You know, Dan has been recently a good guy in Nathan's life, but a really, really bad guy in other people's lives, and it's so heartbreaking when you have to confront someone with that. I think James did such a good job because there's so much hope in his voice. He's just yelled at his mother in the hospital, and that was shot so cool because you hear the baby crying out. The babies are crying out saying like fix me, fix me, give me what I need, give me what I need, and no one's giving them what they need. As Nathan is visually tearing apart from his mother and he goes to his dad and he's crying out, like, just give me the reassurance I need. Thank god Dan doesn't lie right, Like, at least Dan's not doubling down. Yeah, yeah, finally, And Paul did all of this stuff in this episode so beautifully. When you watch Paul play vulnerability in his physically intimidating stature, his big, tall body, and we know how scary Dan can be. He has really frightened any viewer of this show multiple times. In the first scene with Lucas where he's begging him to say he's wrong, and Paul breaks eye contact with Chad, they're staring at each other, and I realized when it happened, I thought to myself, I don't think I've ever seen Dan Scott break got contact with anyone. And he can't hold Lucas's gaze and he looks down just below his eyes, and I went And then you get to this later scene with Nathan and he can't even look at him, and it's They're just really powerful choices by an actor. You know. He's always so specific about the choices that he makes. There's always a reason behind it, and I love that. I love this. I just love simple choices. Sometimes that happens to me a lot, Like I'll get on sets and I'll start where I'll start working on something and sometimes you just have to get the bad ideas out first, and so you know, it's like the big, over the top stuff comes out and you're like trying to feel it in your body and where do you feel it? And I remember doing that a lot in episodes with Paul. And he's so great as a director too, because he'll let you. He'll let you get it out, and then he'll come up and say, okay, so now stop acting and just all that stuff you just did. It's already in your body now, so just say the line and it works. It usually works. Yeah, I love a simple choice. Well, we see Lucas having all this like grown up conversation with Dan where he's being very firm. He's like, you will not be in my mother's life. This child will have me as an adult man in their life, the same way Keith raised me. You are unnecessary here. I mean that is an adult conversation. But then I loved the scene between Lucas and Haley where you give him the gift that his mom has had for him, the bound copy of his book, and he says, I just want her to be my mom again. And that sense, that's what graduation is. It's like this this cusp of adulthood and I just want to be the kid. I want to be reassured, I want to be cuddled. I still feel all of those feelings, like do you ever just have a day where you're like, I really need to be babied today. Yes, Lucas needed to be babied in that moment. I think that's what it is. I do that too. I do that to my husband Sometimes I'll walk up to him in the middle of the day and go, will you just hold me just for a minute? Like we're both working and we have stuff to do, but can we just take a break and we meet for a minute? So good? I love Maria will do that to me. Sometimes you'll see me in the house and be like, Mommy, do you need a hug? I do I need a hug? I was on eleven and Gus was just like, hey, hey, call me here, call me here. And You're like, no, you're not supposed to parent me. I'm the bear. I always foke guilty. Yes, but please don't let this out. Please no. I think that's such guys as a friend who watches you both parent, I think that that's such a beautiful sign that you're doing such a good job. You're raising emotionally intelligent kids who want to relate, who don't infantilize themselves around you. They trust you as their moms, but they also want to love and support you in the way you love and support them. Girl, when they're in therapy and like twenty I'm gold starring the both of you through the zoom screen. I think I had to take care of my mother. Okay, we have a listener question. All right, let's do it. It's from Sam. Sam says, you all started your acting careers when you were pretty young. Was there any high school or college event or experience that you regret missing? Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I mean I started doing professional stuff like sixth grade. I was doing professional theater and had an agent in seventh grade. And it came down to a pep rally when I was a freshman or saw more. I got bumped up to varsity and I also had this huge audition in New York City and they're like, if you go to that audition, you are destroying the pep rally for all these varsity girls and it might be their last pep rally. And don't you dare, Hillry Burton, don't you dare do that? And I had to make this decision to like either jump into one pool or the other pool, but you can't have your feet in both. And it was weird. I made it with such clarity. I was like, well, they're hiring old people to do high school shows anyway, I'm going to go to high school, and then when I do a high school show, I'll have lived it and I'll have all this ship to draw from. And sure enough, like one Tree Hill came around and I was like, oh my god, I manifested this. No. I like high schooled so hard because I knew that I'd had to give up something for it. And maybe that's why I was just like close close clothes. I wish I had done that's so cool. I never did a sport, and that's what I'm like, I really, especially as an only child, it would have been good for me. I really wish I had. I had played a sport, and I wanted to play soccer or even basketball, just something. And I could never commit to a team because there were always plays happening in auditions and I just never knew when something was going to come up. And yeah, I mean, my parents gave me the option, but I kept choosing theater. And I kind of wish that they had said, this year, you're taking a year off. Just take a year off, play sports, learn how to you know, be on a team, and yeah, Joe, you should join like an adult kickball league or something like there's adult leagues where you could go and play. That's fun. Yeah, that would be a good idea. Thanks, I'll look into that. Actually, see what's going on around here. All the dads in my community play volleyball. It's kind of weird, but also I love it. Yeah, I've got friends in soccer leagues. It's really fun. Yeah, it's interesting because my school was so but all girls school is so specific and we had you know, theater was my thing there, and yeah there were sports, and there was great art, and there was so much to do there. But by nature, it was very insular and very academic, and I loved that. But I remember thinking, you know, watching all the things we watched growing up, that I didn't know what any of that was like. So I had thought I wanted to go to you know, like a small arts college, and then I thought, well, that's just more of the same. I gotta go have I gotta go do the movie thing, the thing I see on the screen. So I picked the biggest school with the biggest football team and the biggest Greek system in the b and it was kind of like just trying on a different uniform. I had done one thing and I wanted to try on another thing, and I think for a long time that's sort of what it felt like to me, was well, I'll try this on. I'll see what this feels like. You know. We went to do our show, and it was like, what's it like to be a you know, young kid on TV? And what It took me a while to figure out what I wanted versus what I wanted to just try to try on. You know, what was the ideal high school experience that you saw on TV. It just was like I didn't know what it was like to go to a big sporting match. I didn't know what it was like to have boys in my class. Joy and I are like, man, you missed out. You know. There was no big like homecoming weekend. We didn't have that, and I wanted to know what that was like, and so I went and tried it out. But you know, our job as actors is to adapt to the environments we're in. I've always been really good at doing whatever's going on around me, but it took me a while to figure out what I loved to do and what I wanted to do rather than what was just good to support the group. And now, the funny thing is there's not an experience. I'm not like, Man, I wish I could go to one more you know, USC football game or one more whatever. I'm like, Oh, I just wish I could go back and do one more year of indications with Professor Smith. I'm like, like, it's the classes. I wash, It's not the It's not the stuff or the clubs or the any of it. It's it's truly just the school. It's not the parties, Dude, I went to all of them. Of course, you said, it's the classes. It is how many parties have we gone to? And how much did the three of us bitch before we have to go to a party about what we're gonna wear and how we're gonna It's so stressful. Yeah, well, you know, when I think about adult life and how much we have to do and how many responsibilities we have, what I wouldn't give for the luxury of nothing to do but mister Apaul's history class. Oh, mister Apaul, nothing to do but get smarter. He looked like Indiana Jones. He wore the hat. Oh he talked about you know what I mean? Like it was a fun class, and I was just that would be nice, would be nice. I would love to just go take notes as my job. Look at this, I do it all day anyway, If that was it, I would love it. You know what I miss? I missed the smell of burning dust from the overhead projector remember and like you could see smell it crackle. Yeah, the first time they turned it on like two of class and there it is there it is an overhead projector god, oh, that's what I want for Christmas. I want an old, decommissioned high school overhead projector. Let's get on, Etsy, guys, let's go. Do we have an honorable mention as the question? I know the silicone babies. Tell them about the silicone babies. This is kind of a new thing, like it wasn't in the first few seasons. I just remember at some point they this, they brought this. It's a sill. It's a baby made out of silicone, so that it moves and kind of jiggles. Yeah, like when you're holding it, it kind of bounces instead of being a hard doll exactly. Yeah. But they were so creepy. It was so creepy, and that there was like ten thousand dollars. Yes, they were so expensive and they weighed like twelve pounds. So it was creepy because it looked really real and if you touched it, like it's little skin would smush, and it had real eyelashes and like rosy cheeks. But it was so heavy that it just kind of felt like you were carrying a dead thing. It had rosy cheeks if they decorated it. Otherwise it was just ashen. And it was this creepy, ashen looking weighted baby with like fuzz on its head. Yeah, and sometimes they would smother it in jam to make it look like, you know, the newborn. And the texture of it, the texture of it couldn't be like matt or shiny, and so it had like this gummy quality to it. Yes, everything would stick to it, lint and everything. Yeah, the more you used it, the more it got covered in just like fuzz from your clothes or from the blakes. Oh gross, so gross. And that's why that's all I could think of when you hillary you took the baby and sit down and this goes outside and you're just like looking lovingly at this baby's face in like wonder and amazement, and all I could think of was the nasty little That's what it was covered lint covered, silicone face, and your dead giveaway that it's the doll and not the baby because you can only have the baby on camera for like twenty whole minutes in a day. Is that you take it in that way where the whole time you turn it, you never turn its face toward the camera, and you're like, that's a doll. That's how you know it's a doll. Was a lot of acting going on around him. That feels like a dishonorable mention. So upset, I want to know what. We gotta have a happy one, you guys, what's an honorable mention in this episode? Is the skills Dad or Principal Turner or it's you know what it is. It's the trifecta of step in dads. It's Whitey Principal Turner and skills Dad, Chuck Taylor step in Dad's step in Dad. Oh, I love this instead of step Dad's step in dads. I feel like there's a whole organization about to happen. That's remember that thing a couple of years ago that there was um there was a school was it was it in southern California? I can't remember the story went viral about how they were doing a day at the school with dads. Breakfast with dads. Yeah, and so many kids either you know, grew up in single parent households or had dads who worked crazy hours and couldn't come. And all these dads in the community came to school and their shirts and ties and sat in. Oh that makes me solb Oh, my gosh. There's a guy. There's a guy on Instagram who does this. I gotta find his Have you seen it? This guy who loves It's like breakfast with dad and you just and he gives you advice while he eats. Yes, I love him. So sweet to find that tax stepin dads for the wind. Steppin Dad's good job. Yeah, let's spin a wheel before we prepare for the end of high school. I can't believe it, Guys, we've done all of I see. It's intense, really intense. All right, I'm most likely too, is most likely to get a speeding ticket? Me? Yeah, the girl who wasn't allowed to have a car on the show is absolutely m Yeah. I definitely have had my fair share of speeding tickets. Unfortunately, do you really? Yeah? I always get tickets for dump well, I'm I'm an excellent driver, and so I feel if I do, say somewhere, I was like I'd got up a New Jersey, I handle the Tri State area. I am. I'm like, I feel like I'm connected to the car. I could be like a race car driver. I feel really good. So when I'm behind a wheel, I don't hesitate. I'm not a drive with both feet. Sometimes I know how to stop and go how to I know how to you know, like come up fast on something, slowdown, move out of the way and again and navigate the whole thing. So sometimes if I got to get somewhere, I get a little too cocky. And yeah, I've been pulled over a couple of times. I mean it's one way to meet people. I think maybe it's because I've done a lot of that training. Like I've done some track stuff and some some stuff, you know, stunt training in cars and like high speed chase stuff fun that Now I'm like, oh, I know how complicated that is. And now I'm the woman in my neighborhood who screams at people to slow down. I'm like, where are you going? What's so important? What's so important you have to run over the neighbor's cat. Oh my god, I have become that person who's just like I don't have anywhere to go. That's that important. I never thought that I would I would be that person because like my favorite thing to do is be like, no, I can do it. I can do all the stunts for this high speed chase. Watch, let's go get thee you know, get the crane car out, let's do it. And I don't know, man, I don't know if I burned it out, but I'm I have become a very chill, very mellow driver. You cannot go speedy through a neighbor. That's like a numb that's just a basic role. You're not supposed to do it. People used to go so fast in my neighborhood in California, and I had fantasies about sitting out on my patio and just sitting there with a big bucket of eggs and wait, just waiting for cars to start speeding through and just nail them. But never did it. But there's time. I don't know who on the show has meant what character? Yeah, which character do we think is a speed demon who's got some aggression? Deb? Probably deb Yeah, Yeah, yeah, because I'm trying to think if anyone else, like Nathan's not anymore, maybe season one he would what if Bevin? I feel like it's got to be a girl. It's just got to be someone that's like is convertible season less role? I know Bevan's a good one. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well not us. Don't speed kids, You've got plenty of time. But we're out of time. Wow, what do we got next? It's the all night graduation party. It is episode twenty one. All of a sudden, I miss everyone. This is gonna be Is this the Spice Girls dance episode that's coming up? We all look after graduation, I have the baby and we all go to the cabin. Is that it? Wait? I have a baby. I can't go to a cabin and dance after I have a baby. No, it's we've been to the cabin. We um, it's that like abandoned house. Oh yeah, abandoned house. But do I do that after having a baby? Maybe it's Oh yeah, girl, you sure do. Wow, that's gonna be interesting to watch. Good luck everybody. Yeah, we'll see you next time. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens oth or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com. See you next time. We all about that high school drama. Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens Forever. We'll take you for a ride at our Comma girl cheering for the right teen drama Queens dreels, my girl girl fashion. But you're tough, girl. You could sit with us. Girl Drama Queens, Drama, Queenz Drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama, Queens

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