Haley sits down at the old black and whites, and continues to be the beneficiary of the musical gifts that Bethany Joy Lenz was born to share. This major milestone gives Joy the perfect opportunity to share where her own love of music came from.
Isn’t it amazing when a television character can inspire you in real life?! Karen Roe is that woman to the Drama Queens! Find out how as the Queens reflect. Plus, they share who else inspires them, and want to know who inspires you?!
In an unexpected twist, Nathan and Keith have a sweet moment together while Dan and Lucas are at each other’s throats. Sophia, Joy, and Hilarie give their analysis on these twists and turns in the gentlemen’s relationships.
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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama. Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic Girl Cheering for the drama Queens Girl Fashion, but you'll tough, girl. You can sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn McQueen's Drama, Queen's Welcome Back Friends, Episode four, Season two, You can't always get what you want. Nobody gets a corvette. It's the opposite of an Oprah episode uh. It originally aired October twelve, two thousand four, and the synopsis of this episode reads, Brooks smug new neighbor quickly makes his presence felt among the Tree Hill gang and even comes to brooks rescue when she is arrested for gasp shoplifting. Nathan and Haley have their first post wedding argument when he buys her a gift rather than a much needed car. Luke Is. His attempt to help Dan with rehab ends in disaster when Dan reverts to his old ways and Peyton tries to organize an all ages club and is pressured to try cocaine to Seal the Deal and what's not in this synopsis two things that feel very important. Andy comes to town and is gorgeous. Lord hot. Andy is here ladies and gentlemen, and it is real fun to watch Karen flirt with him. I just want to talk about the piano. That keyboard is so sweet. Joy your moment going, Oh, we really wanted to keep it. We were all ooing and eyeing, and it actually made me realize I don't know the answer to how early you started playing a piano. Was that a high school thing for you or childhood? Oh? Yeah, I started playing when I was well. Look, so my grandmother who lived in New Jersey, my grandmother, Doris was Doris. She so she Doris. I'll go, I'll go give you a little reader's digest family history, a little give me some context here. So my grandma Doris did every musical theater production you can imagine from when she was young. She just her whole life. She did musical theater and opera and um sang in her church choir and just was like our family musician. She had this beautiful piano in her home in New Jersey, which is the house that I ended up growing up in when I lived in Jersey and Doris was married to George, and George Lens was a frequent er on the Broadway stage. She was him before Yes, so he was in a lot of Broadway shows and worked He worked with Joshua Logan, who was a famous director back in the fifties and sixties and um, and then became a stage manager on Broadway. So I have this rich musical history and my family. So fast forward to many years later. I'm a kid. I go to my grandma's house. She's always got open house, people coming in and out of the house and always playing music. And every time we would go visit, even when I was a kid living in Texas and we would go to New Jersey to visit her, I could be found at that piano, always just take her around and finding my way through it. And so I started taking formal lessons when I was sixteen and we had moved to Jersey and I was in that house and just playing on my grandma's piano, so uh, and I kind of kept it up, and unfortunately I didn't stick with it long enough to remember how to read music or how to uh how to play as fluently as I would like to now. So now I can sort of like figure it out for long enough to get one song. But um, I'm not as good as I used to be. I don't know, Joy, You're good at it. So I love that you are continuing that tradition because you have people in your home and you're always like putting on shows in your home, and your daughter gets to grow up with that and like to hear you talk about witnessing your grandmother do that. What a cool tradition. It's important to me, especially growing up as an only child. My I mean, Sophie, you you know this, and I don't know what I think. You guys probably had a lot of people coming in and out because your dad's business was out of the house, But for me, we didn't have a lot of people over. So being at my grandma's and being able to see that parade of people all the time, it's it's something I really have wanted to give my daughter and her childhood as an only child. You know. Just for my Christmas party, we hired a three piece band and people coming in and out, and we've got people that come over some Friday nights and we'll just bust open some whiskey and you know she doesn't drink, but you know she does. She enjoys the company. So yeah, I mean music MS is a really big deal and in our home and our family, and I was really excited to be able to translate that to Haley. Um, did you guys ever grow up with anything like, uh, do is there anything that you grew up with that became a part of your life, like a tradition that you've carried on as well in your that came from your family. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, we used to also do really big holiday gatherings with our whole family. And I think because you know, kind of one at a time, my dad and his siblings all moved here from Canada. My aunt Judy came and became a nurse here, and then my dad came to go to art center, and then his other sister came, and so it was really interesting I think for them as a as a family of immigrants who all chose to move to the same city so they could still be close as a family, to have that, and then for my mom as well, you know, I mean, you know my mom, she's like Martha Stewart, Like that woman nails a holiday party. I'm sure. Oh it's unbelievable, Like she builds centerpieces, it's crazy. So I I grew up with these big holiday gatherings, but I think, as you mentioned, being an only child, UM, I always craved more like you know, my my best friends growing up are my you know, they call them my cousins, but they're like my god siblings, like my godparents kids, and and they're a family of three, so together, you know, our two families that lived around the corner from each other for so long, we were like a family of four basically, um, And we always joked like we have two sets of parents. And so the sort of like loud, jovial experiences I always loved. And growing up in a family that celebrated Christmas and Hanukkah, I was just like, the holidays are amazing. We just get to be together all the time, and everybody's loud, and there's always music and there's always food. Yeah, And so those are the traditions I've tried to carry on, whether it's like you know, summers when I'm home hosting Shabbat every Friday and doing like giant nondenominational gatherings that way, or you know, throwing like rolling brunches on Sundays where brunch starts at eleven and dinner starts at six and you can come for any and all. I love. I love like you're saying, a big open house full of people. And obviously everyone listening knows that Hillary Burton Morgan is also an iconic party thrower. We've waxed poetic about your own parties. So I don't know where where do you think that the craving for like a crowd and a good a good chat over a good cocktail comes from? For you, dude, I grew up in total isolation. We weren't allowed to have people at our house like we were we were you had a bunch of people in the house. Yeah, but there were a ton of kids in my family, and so I'm used to cacophony. Um. And but then I would retreat to my bedroom and like totally hide under my bed. So for me, being able to do both is really important, especially at the holidays when it gets crazy. Like I'm very much a cancer, so I'm like in my shell right now, I'll crawl out like probably after the holiday, when you know everything settled. Um. But I love parties because I love the theatrics of it. I loved growing up in the theater, same same as you joy, same as like your grandmother. I love growing up in the theater. I loved the idea that we could all bring our talents to the party, you know, whether that's your friend who's a really good bartender, or that's your friend who you know is great making finger foods or whatever. You know. I like the idea that these gatherings give everyone an opportunity to shine. Um. So I think that's why we also are partial to you know, scenes in our show where we're all together, when we're all on the river court, because that that coming together just kind of elevates everything in a really nice way. We didn't get any of that in this episode. There was like one scene on the quad with Felix, like poking the bear. Yeah, we had the boys playing basketball briefly when we were saying Nathan so good at the casual conversation, but that was really fast. Yeah, it was all kind of isolated storylines this time. I don't know. I like a I like a crowd. I think it makes everything sparklier. Sparkler a word it is now, Babe, but Mouth is so cute in this episode. I I love when you know, Felix is doing his like a bravado thing, going like, yeah, I'm the new guy, and mouth goes I'm the guy who's been here forever. I like that guy. He's great. And they you know, they're given Fergi lines in this episode. I like when they build our world out, um, and it seems like they're trying to balance bringing in new people in this episode while maintaining the texture of our our core group. UM. So it's cool to see, you know, the River Court Boys show up in the same episode where we're introducing two very big characters because we've got Felix and sweet Sweet Andy. Um, did you guys have crushes on Karen when he showed up? Because I'm recently and didn't we all? I feel like we all talked about it ad nausea. But it also when I say, I feel like I remember in the makeup trailer the three of us in the corner. Oh my god, who is that? But it was confusing because it was Karen and Karen and Karen Oh yes. There was always some like radio confusion about who was needed on set when and how like or Karen, Andy or Moira what it was so hard for everyone. We also noted while we were watching the episode that that role in particular could have gone real sideways because everyone so devoted to Keith. Keith is being such a good dad figure to Nathan, He's being such a stand up guy. He's been so graceful about you know, Karen not wanting to be with him. But this new Andy character flinging his money around could have been played so predatory or um just sleazy. And Karen is instantly like a ball. She's so charming. And what I think is really interesting is he chose to throw away the dialogue about money and lean really hard into the dialogue about ethics and doing good. He immediately made it clear in his subtext as an actor that the money never made him happy, but doing good things for people did, and he wants more of that. And you see Karen and Andy bond over that in the classroom when Moira lies up yeah fire, I was like, oh, I love this, And it totally fooled me by the way. I forgot that he was the teacher of the class, so I really just I was totally surprised, like, oh my god, Karen started dating a student. Wow, And I was like, oh right, and he's the teacher, right right, that's right. Yeah, I forgot. I was so wrapped up the scene and points to Andy for pushing Karen because that's the whole reason she decides to take a gamble. Based on Peyton's idea and open Trick, we have Karen Rowe as the owner of Trick is great because she barely shows up. Yeah, no idea. Um, it was cool to have female owned businesses. I liked that that was something that we kind of highlighted in this because as a business owner, it's hard to walk into a bank and have people take you seriously. As a young woman, I have struggled to get people to trust me with investments, with you know, support, and um, I felt very much what Peyton was feeling of like, hey, you are literally the only person I know who's done this. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you all this, like, hey, sorry about my dad bullshit. Um, but what I'm trying to get to here that was so awkward, right, I'm sorry, broke up. That actually was totally what a high schooler would do, like always start this conversation. I guess I should say sorry, my dad doesn't and you guys don't want to go out anymore. Yeah. Um, but but finding other women who have already walked the path that you were trying to walk is super important. Um. And yeah, finding those women in real life has been, I know, really important to the three of us. We've been lucky. Sophia. You have a whole podcast about it. You literally you talk like Jane good All the other day. Why you guys, Jane Goodall, that's nuts cool, She's so cool. It was so Yeah, it was so special, and it is. It's even having someone like her on Work in progress. What it does is every time that someone you know that I look up to, or I imagine that any of us look up to in our endeavors says, oh, yeah, I want to give you some of my time. Yeah, it makes your soul say, oh my idea is worthy. This, this is special. It reinforces you in a world that, as you said, makes it really hard for women to take themselves seriously, because we show up in places we go. We go and we say, hey, I want to start a small business, and like eight guys got small business loans, but they don't trust us. It's like, you know how organized we are, We're good at this. Then, guys, I'm dealing with like dickcare, pick up grow. So if you had a real life Karen Row, who would be your real life Karen Row? Who is like the woman that you would go to anybody? Oh my gosh, that's really hard. It is really hard. Okay, My girlfriend Mandana Madonna. Everyone thinks I'm talking about Madonna every time I talk about her. And if you are going to talk about Madonna, use an accent like that because she does. So. My friend Mandonna Dianni is my co founder I I am a voter. She has launched so many unbelievable businesses, worked everywhere from you know, being a lawyer to launching a fashion brand, to doing voting rights activism to working in nonprofits. There's nothing that she can't do and make better. And so she's always the person that I go to um with ideas, thoughts, fears, you know whatever. She's so just such a good sounding board. And she introduced me to another work in progress guest, phenomenal woman named Cindy Eckert, who is a baller. She is just like this incredible businesswoman she's the woman who created this uh pharmaceutical drug called Addie, which is the female viagra. She literally has a senator, Ok, you guys, Cindy Eckert had a senator when she went in making the argument for um A basically like more FDA funding to research women's sexual health because, by the way, Viagara got an emergency approval from the FDA was approved in six months. Of course it did. She's my hero. So those two women are Jut, I'm like, who do I know who? Regardless of how they're feeling, always seems fearless, always goes for it, dreams the biggest like you know so, so I obviously the two of you, but people, I mean, we're already together. So outside of our zoom, it's those two who I'm always like, um can I will you guys tell me if I'm like crazy or is this a great idea? You gotta have people in your life like that. You gotta have people. I've got my friend Holly Goleen's the first person that comes to mind. Holly runs some Universal Monsters and she's just putting together this incredible team of creators. And I think I don't I'm probably I don't know how much I'm allowed to say about what she's doing over there. But they're they're they've all these all of the universal monsters are being turned into movies by exceptionable filmmakers. And and what what I love about her? And she's also you know, she's a mother and a wife and um, an incredible creative brain who's been in this industry just working her tail off for twenty years. Um. And she is so she's just so like brazen and Braven has no problem just picking up the phone and and but she's vulnerable at the same time, which is what blows me away is seeing a woman who is a badass in business and who also relies on her vulnerability. And she doesn't try and defeminize herself for something she's she's just she's not trying to be like a dude. She's being herself and you know, has no problem sharing her thoughts and her feelings and fully embracing what she brings to the table, not just as a woman, but as a mother, as a wife, as a friend, as a woman who has just come from the South and had all these crazy experiences in life. And she can walk into a boardroom with you know, the biggest and baddest in any business, in any industry. Um. And and she can run the room. And yet everybody walks out of their feeling inspired. They feel you want to be better people, They feel seen. I just feel so lucky to be her friend and to be able to pick up the phone and call her and say, hey, here's my ideas. Can we talk about it. You can't have to find people like that, you Hillary, who's yours? I mean, I would say like alive or dead? Um? And the Saint Vincent Malay is someone who is very dead. Um. But she was a poet who was basically like she was like a rock star, you know. She dominated in a male industry. She was real gender bendy, she was real like I do I kiss who I want, you know, and whatever she wants. She was super bohemian living in the village, you know, in the you know, nineteen twenties. She ended up buying a property up near where I live up here, and created that duality for herself between the city and the country. So I really appreciate what she did way before her time. But living up here, I would say Mary Stuart Masterson is the person who has been just like the greatest person for me to learn from because she's an original teen queen, you know, like your she was an icon when we were kids doing this kind deed to meet her at your wedding. I was teen drama movies. Oh, you guys had a lot of time together on the dance floor at the reading. UM. So she understands like what we have all been through in a way that makes her really empathetic. But she's also like built the nonprofit up here that's entirely built the film industry. She trained an entire crew base of hundreds of people to do all these HBO movies and HBO series up here. And she's just opened up the film studio up here in the Hudson Valley. Like she's got like twys as many kids as I do. I'm just like, how do you have the energy for this? Um? She's Yeah, when you see someone that can like do what you do, but like Triple, You're just like, we're not worth It's incredible. She's awesome, And so like, finding those Karen's is imperative. I hope you guys at home, I'll have your Karen's. Write us tell us who your Karen's are. Yeah, who are they? Who are your Karen's We didn't talk much about Dan. Yeah, Dan and Lucas, this whole thing event if we can pivot. Yeah, there's so a lot of confusion around this whole thing. First of all, Dan's been playing dead roll over, and just like I don't understand, I don't understand what's going on. He's playing like and that there's nothing like he's a new man, he's asking for new chances. He's being so sweet, and then all of a sudden, now he's taking Lucas out and he's trying to bribe him with the car, and then he's mad at all he knows, Yeah, it's all he knows. But it's just I don't understand why we're wasting time watching people. This is why I didn't like this. I did not like this episode for anyone. Are we going to take this episode? No hands, nobody. I didn't like this episode, and I felt like we were wasting a lot of time watching people give Dan keeping. We're just watching people give Dan chances and he keeps running everybody over. It's just the same thing over and over again. Like I'm bored. I need something new. Okay, rant over, But he was so tan in this episode and he looks so handsome there. There's such a good shot in that. I hate when they do this thing where like in every show the boys have to raise cars. I'm like, I've seen it a million times. I really enjoy I'm board show me something new. The cherry on that I've had it a million times. Sunday was that precious shot. There is a shot of Paul in the car when him and Chad like zoom around Felix, you know, Linda's and Anne or in the corvette together and Paul's hair is blowing in the wind and Paul is laughing, and that's just Paul having a great time. And I love that that shot made it in the episode. It was It was the one redeemable thing in that terrible game of chicken. Kids don't play chicken on the but you guys don't do it, Okay. I need to send you this um after we're done taping. So the mean, this is the episode that everyone makes fun of on Instagram where they freeze frame this shot of the boys racing the car, and it is definitely not Chad and Paul like at all. It's not even body doubles that have good wigs or that look anything like them. It is too totally random men um that they were like, I don't know, put him in the car. I can't believe they had to make a wig. You're telling me. In the whole town of Wilmington's they could not find one guy who from the back just naturally had hair that kind of looked like Paul. The whole Southeast joy at Anna, South Carolina, North Carolina. It's insane that wig was it was. I mean, it's tough in a in a car with the wind blowing and everything. I get it. But I know we've got to post that meme on our social media for this episode because it's pretty horrendous. Um And I love that. I love it when we get caught being TACKI that's for me. It's been all one color in this episode all of season two. You guys, my skin, my lips, my hair. I am just a beigeige. You had that black halter top on that somebody else wears in the next episode, and that Barbara was wearing in this episode. You and Barbara had the same outfit. You had a black halter top and a big black necklace. Barbara had a black halter top and a skinny black neckles and a big black headband and you both had bangs. Yeah. Well we're morphing into the same person. I'm doing cocaine in this episode and she's real close to that pill storyline. What is with the mustache twisting cocaine guy who's like, come here, a little girl proof to me a little custom mirror and a razor blade. Like what gross? I have never in my life experienced drugs being offered to me as a as a test. No are you? For years, I never ever ever saw drugs when I worked at MTV ever, right, because I was everyone's kids sister and they were just like protect her at off. When I moved to Wilmington, that was the first time I ever saw drugs. And my reaction was so bad. Um because someone in like a bathroom stall was like, hey, come here, I've got cocaine, and I said no, ran like like ram out of I'm not going to say the name of the venue because I don't want incriminate anybody m but I ran and everyone was like, oh god, she's got a she's got a serious problem. Um my deal. I mean, I don't reaction I want my kids to have. I don't love drugs. It makes me feel weird when people do drugs around me because it makes me feel like I'm overwhelming or I'm not good enough time, And I take it personally, but that's my trauma. Also feel ends up feeling like a waste of time that if I'm talking to somebody that I know is high or really drunk, I'm just like, you're not even gonna remember this conversation. Why am I waking my breath right now? It's like really irritating. Yeah, And so I don't know if Peyton did drugs in this episode, And I remember being very stressed out about that while we were filming, because then I go to see Brook immediately and I'm like, is there anything noticeable? Is like, you know, you should be irritating as people on cocaine are. It wasn't a shot. It's like what we missed from that scene was a shot of your reaction to everything Brooke had been saying, like I wanted to see a shot of your face to know whether or not you were sober, like and you were processing all of that, like I can't. I don't even know how to hear you right now, like you hug your friend, but then there's a shot over her shoulder of your face, like, oh god, I'm like really screwed up right now, I'm I'm covering right now. You know that you're like totally present in sober and you didn't do drugs something Just but what did they say to you? Because this is another thing, guys, it's been so long, I don't remember did they say, oh yeah, Hillary Peyton did it, or did they say she didn't like there more? I just remember this is confusing. My My visceral reaction to this episode is like that of yuckiness because I remember not liking filming this episode. Um remember the drug I was just like, what this is so dumb? I was like, you know, have her smoke weed or like cocaine is just so gross and addictive and like I'm not into it and I didn't like that. We just kept having to escalate the trauma on our show to try to seem edgy. Um that said, uh, I remember the conversation with our director being very like what am I doing in this scene with you know, like the band guy that was giving her the drugs? And she's like, well, we want you to lean down like you're gonna do it, and I'm like, I'm definitely not doing that, and it just being kind of like it just wasn't a fun day at work. I don't like drugs. Kids. I joke about it all the time, but like for real, they're real, don't Yeah, did that? Does that storyline continue? Do we know? Does anything? It's like the whole reason Greenberg comes back, oh, because he hears that you're here, because you're like, I've gone down the dark side. It just was signaling some weird stuff to me that like, um, we'll get into I think in future episodes where her whole reason for doing it is like kind of vague and weird, and I get it, like people self medicaid all the time, and I have empathy for that, and like, you know, we we all function in different ways. Um, I just want to know who was in the writer's room and said, let's have the this band guy, you know, do give it to her as a test to see if she's cool, and who didn't like? Who said that's a good idea. I think it's a terrible device. There's so many better ways to get Peyton into drugs. There are a lot of I have headphones on, so he's just like, what conversation are you having? A wait, but guys, I actually think this is an excellent moment and enjoy you said it there. There are many terrible devices in this episode, and we're just going to bloss right on over one of them. But we have to mention it the not even subtle amount of again bad choices, and the writers like, how did no one say this is a terrible idea? Of the not subtle amount of just pure racism that they between Brooke and Felix is so ugly And I did it then and I hate it now. And I remember the actor who played Felix was also like, yeah, I feel pretty weird about doing this because I'm Filipino, I don't speak Spanish, like they hired an Asian man to play a character who was supposed to be mistaken for a Spanish speaking person. I just was like, oh my god. The lack of sensitivity on every level was so cringe, E like cringe everywhere. We can tell on your face in this episode, how not into it you were. Because you generally are like a flirty lady. There is very little flirt. There's range rage. I don't want to be doing this. I don't want to be here. I think this is inappropriate. It is a very it is a very Samantha Jones storyline. To me. It is looking at these two and you know the way that you know, the way that you kind of toddled around on your heels after him, and you know the you know, Pool boy, Pool boy, It's it's sar Samantha Jones. I mean, you know, you know by the way, it was the same era. You know, during the early two thousand's, we weren't having the conversations that we're having today, and I think sensitivity was like, well, that'll ruin the joke. You know. You know what I will say, I love I love that piece of feedback from you, Joy, because I was so upset about it and I and I knew that they were putting the actor playing Felix in a very weird position because he was like, this is not actually my heritage. This all feels really uncomfortable. But I got a big break, you know, Yeah, it's a big break for him. And you know, we we only win so many battles as young, utterly powerless actors, and um, I will say The only way I knew how to do any version of it working was to pull inspiration from Samantha Jones, and he saw it. And it makes me feel very special as a huge sex in the city van. Thank you, You're welcome, and yours were then super cute. Loved those plaid pants. I loved those plaid pants. I would wear those plaid pants today. I know you would. How many pants do you have in your closet? Okay, listen, that's not there, because you know that I have a lot. Because we've seen my present and I I feel seen and attacked. Next time we do a photo shoot, we're all going to wear Sophie's plants. Bring everybody a pair of plague. You know what I did like though, as much as I hated that, this is where we begin to see the actual like fear and self doubt in Brooke and Hillary. You said it. People self medicate in all kinds of ways, and this is when we begin to pull the curtain back and realize that Brooke has always self medicated with money and boys, and now one of her tools to pretend she's okay, to pretend she's really secure in herself as being taken away and she starts leaning hard in the other direction, and oh, I just I just loved those scenes between us and well, the best line in the episode is I love being rich. I'm good at honey. I want that on a shirt for you. Good, so good. I also loved the ability in playing her to be able to lean into this really rare opportunity to have a mix of real vulnerability and pure comedy, Like that scene is so funny to me, and it's also so sad, and you don't get that a lot. So I loved that opportunity as an actor. No, that was perfect. Um. Those kinds of like vulnerable revelations in this episode were the redeeming things and Lucas Chad had one as well. When he gave the whole little speech to Nathan. He's like Dan almost died, and I was like, I guess I'll never get to know him, And so now that we get the second chance, I feel like if I don't get to know him, am I screwing up again? You know? And I know a couple of people who have had parents passed at a very young age and really struggle with that. It's like, oh, I missed that chapter where I was going to figure out what made you tick or you know, like what made you behave the way you behaved when we were kids. Um, there's a lot of remorse and so Lucas, you know, leaning into that was sad. That's a sad thing to have to figure out at such a young age. Yeah, I agree, m I wish I had more to say about it, but but I think he nailed us. I thought that those scenes were really beautiful, and yeah, I agree, it really hits the nail on the head. There's there was that moment where the three of us were watching the episode and we saw Chad come out from the back and hear Moira and Barb. So Lucas comes out, here's dev yeah, you know talking and we're like, don't be a martyr, don't do it. It's not your don't you know, we're all screaming at the TV. But but him taking the bait, you see that it's because this young boy is trying to determine am I going to miss something? Could I maybe the answer for this person? It's it's so much, it's so much responsibility and emotion to try to navigate as a teenager. I'm glad we got to see it on our show. We did scream at this TV like it was a horror movie. It's like Dan is the haunted house. I go to say, man, well, you know when Dan's got that killer line in this episode too, where he's like, it's hard to be less than what you once were, and what a dope pressing thing to say? What a a pressing is? That sums up Dan's outlook on life anyway. It's why he thinks he's such a victim of everything and everyone, because he thinks that life robbed him and has turned him into something less than who he was. And it's like, it's actually the crux to me, it looks to me to be the crux of his all of his behavior, everything that he does. He just thinks, you know, he's a victim in his own mind. It was weird to me that the turn. I mean, maybe I wasn't paying attention or something, but the turn when when Lucas tells him that Nathan's working at his shop and all of a sudden, it's like Dan just drops the act that he's had on for the last couple of episodes of being a reformed, you know, formed guy. He's a nice guy, now, and then all of a sudden he gets that and he's like, we're doing here and turns around and starts walking back like he's done with the walk. He's done with Lucas is just throw it all out, doesn't matter. But we didn't understand coming. Nobody believed that you were actually changed. Yeah, I will say there were two moments that felt weird and then suddenly them kind of like being in an argument in the car. Remember join yaid, did you lead a scene? Like? What did they cut out a scene? They had to have cut a scene out. It was so random. It was so random. But what saved it a little bit those weird turns that they put in for Dan For me? Who was was Keith going, he's emancipated. I don't care like the kid, come on like you can't end his marriage. I just loved it. It was Craig Shephard delivers that line so well. The scenes between Nathan and Keith this episode were the best a family project. I thought I was going to cry, sweet and innocent, like genuine and sincere. I loved it. I loved it. It was so sweet, you know, even that moment. Oh, and they played it so well. When when Keith is giving Nathan advice on how to you know, fix whatever, the fan belt or something in the car. I was paying that close of attention to the part car part, the car part um when when Nathan goes, well, my dad never taught me this stuff, you know, he didn't want me to. And then he realizes and Keith knows, and and and instead of it turning into some shameful moment, it turns into this sweet thing where he says, hey, we can do this together, like I'll teach you. Yeah, you said a good thing. Do you remember what you said in that moment? You go, oh, Keith, Keith slept with Dan's wife parenting dead Dan's son. I was like, yes, that was, you know it was it was. There was like a look on Dan's face when he found out that he was working at that Nathan was working at the dealership. It was all just so triggering because it was like to my wife, you're fathering my son, like I am about to explode here, you know, like you're running my business. Like right now he is in charge of well he's not in charge of DEBB, but he was for a minute. He's in charge of all the things that Dan loves or says he loves. Um. It's a vulnerable position to be in when you thought that you had total control over everything. And Keith has become the person that everyone Dan loves leans on because they don't want to lean on Dan. And he looks so good with that fresh shave and that handsome, cleft chin, little chin no I love. We called a superhero chin in my house because Gus, my son, we called a but chin too. Um. But we're like, yeah, Gus, if you want to be a superhero, you have to have a chin like that. And so he's he's convinced he's going to grow up and be a superhero. That's smart, Mom, that's good. Guys. We have listener questions, should we try? Okay, so we have. The first one is from Beth Anne and she asks, why was there never a Christmas episode of One Tree Hill? By the way, Mary, Christmas? Everyone happy holiday? Yeah you did Christmas episode, um, of from the Queen's but not of One Tree Hill? Why was there? No? Closest we got was Thanksgiving? So why was there never? Yeah? Why didn't we ever do a Christmas episode? We off the air in December? Like, yeah, I don't think we ever aired the week of Christmas. We went through the end of November or like December ten, but then we would always go off there for three weeks for the holiday break. Even December ten, that's still in the month of Christmas time time holiday we didn't do. We didn't you know nothing. Yeah, we didn't even have like a Pagan Solstice thing. Man, I feel Midsummer horrifying. There's time, girl, We'll just yeah, I got a big back deck, come over. Yeah. Have you guys ever done a Christmas episode of a show. I'm trying to think if I have, I don't. I mean, besides all the Christmas movies that oh christ, I totally blocked her out. I was like waited to Christmas. You know, I will tell you for all the years that um, we couldn't necessarily get back together, and like there was all the pressure to do a reboot do this, you know, like people, it's the question that everybody asks, always, always, always, and so taking control back and just like casting our friends in Christmas movies and getting to work with our friends in Christmas movies was such a healing thing for me. And plus, like, you know, you get to kiss all the boys that you didn't get to kiss on the show. I was like, Buckley, I missed this train, untrial, come aboard the Christmas Mobile. Um, yeah it was. I love that I got to work with Antoine and a lot of those and Tyler and I have done three together at this point. And you do those jobs because they're fun and they're short and they pay women well, which is very important in our industry. And it's programming that like, my kids can watch because the Lord knows they can't watch this show yet. Oh my god, not just your kids, are you kidding? I spent many a cold winter freezing my ass off missing you guys in Chicago, and I would just watch your Christmas movies and be like, there's my friends. Joy. Did you do one with Shantelle's husband Victor? Yeah? And that's That's the other fun thing is that we're all like interconnected in a way through them because it's a very small Christmas bubble it is. It's so great. That's one of my favorite things to do. I really love it. But if we did do a Christmas episode of What would be like who does what? What happens? Well, someone's going to end up in the hospitals. All who's throwing is Brook throwing a party? Who's throwing a big party Christmas? If we were going to go okay, if we were planning our fantasy Christmas episode. It makes me think of that giant Thanksgiving episode Joy that we did where everyone went to Nathan and Haley's and like, why I directed season seven or something? I directed that one? You did? Yes, Oh my gosh, it all blurs. Well, then that's why I loved it. Um. But I would want to do something really big like that. But I also feel like we didn't get to travel that much until the later years, and I think we deserve to go somewhere really fun in the snow. I want to do like a Winter Wonderland Christmas. We should cut down a Christmas tree and decorate and have a snowball fight with all the kids, Like I really want to lean in hard. Yeah, I'm going to request a living Nativity, Like I'll bring the donkeys another baby. I know I'm definitely not having another baby, but I will bring you still have a baby. She's the one cranking them out, churn them out. Yeah, what's you guys? As fantasy? Because kids are episode so long? My twins can take shifts, you know, like we can have one boy and then activity, but it'll be one at a time exactly. It'll be like the Olsen Twins. They play one character and do Christmas Carols around the piano and well, you know, somebody, I'll cook, Karen, I'll cook. We'll just have everybody do some sort of trope attached to the thing that I missed on our show is that when we had big events like weddings and stuff, there were always parents that were missing. You know, when Peyton and Lucas got married, her dad's weren't there. She has two alive dads that weren't there. In a perfect world, any gatherings that we're all going to do together would have all of the living relatives show up everyone. Yes, I agree. I wonder if we could get Craig to come back. Yes, if we're doing MS, Yes, if we're doing a fantasy, that's it. We do a Christmas Carol, the one trill Christmas Carol. Who's the Scrooge? There's the Scrooge? I know, Dan, No, it has to be someone. It has to be someone who were rooting for to like. It has to be Berry Grump and then set. Yeah, Camilla, Camilla, Christmas is really difficult this year. Sweet? Do we have other questions? There's one more, There's one more and it and it says, if you could only spend Christmas with one one Tree Hill character, who would it be? But Hillary? We want to be together. Ye, we don't play that game. No, No, that's kind of it defeats the purpose. Yeah, we're a cult guys. We all need to be together and we're all going to get matching tattoos and it'll be fantastic. Um, alright, are we gonna spend a wheel? Oh? Lord? Well, I guess he was introduced in this episode because the cash to do it most likely to go to space. Yeah, I think you nailed that. Joy. The subtle, the subtle drop of Andy's net worth in this episode. Do we think it was meant to be alluring? Do we think it was meant to be like, Oh, he's rich? Did he say I missed it? Did you just flat out million? He said he sold his company for fifty million dollars because he wasn't happy I sold my company for fifty million dollars. Yeah, I got it. Just doesn't taste right, I think I don't know, I think it was meant to be impressive and so shocking for a small town like Tree Hill. But they could have you know what I'm saying, Some kid with a newspaper or a magazine could have walked up to him and been like, are you Andy blah blah blah whatever his last name is, and someone else could say it. Yes, somebody just says, man, I'm like, I admire you so much, like I followed your business place. I can't believe you sold your business for fifty million dollars. It's so amazing blah blah. And then you see Karen's reaction. Why does he have to say it? Girl? Well, well, well I don't disagree. That would have been cool. Also, I'm fit in my head, I'm seeing news. He's just like, hey, mr dude, that's what's happening. First of all. But he only said it in the scene on the river. After she said it's a lot of money if my Google searches are true. Then he told her so she admitted that she searched Google. Okay, so it's not so bad. Yeah, it's it's my first coffee talk friends, It's it's dollars for a coup. I just think blanket statement. No one, but no one should be rich enough to do NASA can't do just paying taxes please so kids can, Yeah, Texas, that'd be great. And if you want to go to space school, work for NASA? What are we talking about here right where they actually train you? I don't know that the rabbit hole. So in real life, though, which cast member do we think is like, yeah, sign me up? This is going to be fantastic. I would go, you would do, guys, I went to space camp. I would go, that's right, loved it. What's your favorite planet? Honestly because of the color scheme, Jupiter would not have got that. Really, they would show up on that Instagram over heard l ay, what's your favorite planet? Honestly because of the colors. I sampled the colors of Jupiter's storm to do the paint in my house. Like, that's the thing I would say. I didn't, even in this moment I'm realizing I should because it's colors, all those sand and terra cotta tones bringing home. Yes, I love it. Oh you guys? All right, Well this was kind of a want want episode, but I had fun cutting it apart with you guys. I love you both. We had some real fun glimmering things. Uh. Next episode is episode five one. I actually remember pretty well, do you guys? Never dare to night? Oh yeah, I will. Dare is next week, ladies, So prepare yourselves. Here comes trouble. I just know Brook Davis is going to do something stupid and I'm going to um. You guys, it's been real so we will see you so soon. We hope you had a wonderful holiday. Thanks for hanging out with us. Thank you. Happy holidays everyone. Yeah, thanks for making us a party your holiday. Bye bye, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O t H or email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you next time. 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