Look Me in the Eyeliner • EP406

Published Dec 12, 2022, 5:55 AM

While Nathan and Haley’s struggle, Brooke’s secret relationship and Peyton’s recovery highlight the episode.

It’s actually Lucas rocking the ‘guy-liner’ that sends Joy, Hilarie and Sophia down a path of former fashions they “pulled off.” 

Plus, find out what parts of this episode in particular, still don’t quite sit right even after all these years.

First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in our comic girl cheering for the drama queens girl fashion, but you'll tough go. You could sit with us girl drama queens. N Queen's John mc queen's Drama John McQueen's Drama Queen's Welcome Back Friends is episode four oh six, Season four, episode six, Where did You Sleep Last Night? This aired originally November eight, two thousand six. That tracks It does look like fall in roaming test um, Like you can see that it's approaching, and we were probably only like you know what, three weeks out from air dates or whatever we're filming. Not the point the synopsis of this episode, while we romance the fall season that we're currently in. That's what. By the way, that's why we have We probably all had such good hair in this episode because humidity was down here. Truly, everyone's hair did look so great and I didn't think about that part. And you're a thousand person, like the humidity dropped below seasonal success. We did well kids this week. Nathan and Haley are worried about their financial situation, Nathan goes to someone new for help, dun Dund, but continues her secret relationship with her English teacher. Oh my god, we'll get to that. Lucas comes back to play for the Ravens, while Peyton continues to lean on him after the attack. Plus, she finds strengthen herself after the help of her real brother who is serving in the Marines. So nice to see Ernest Wadal and you in this episode. How it was, guys, I have I have opinions about that boxing scene. What okay, you go ahead ahead? No, no, no, it's solely in the episode. I feel like I do this every time, where every time we watch an episode, I'm like, I have a strong opinion about this, and then we get out of chronological order and I don't know how to get back. Okay, look, I get it. Those scenes are super hard to shoot. We'll get to it when we get to it. I understand as an actor why As an actor you probably really hated doing that, But as a viewer, I'm going to say I liked it. And as a viewer, I really really really loved the opening for you. It's such a stark surprise seeing you in Peyton's room when everything is white, white, and and truly the thought I wrote it down because you know, Lucas comes in sees it, You're very stoic, and you say that maybe maybe you can paint the shadows away? And Hillary, I swear to god, I wrote down. I said, how did she deliver that line? Because I know you read it and went business, who says this? And you did it in a way that was so good and so like layered, and and I could see how shaken you were and that this was such a coping mechanism. And I loved it. And that is such evidence of when we got scripts that we went who says this? And then you make it work? And I just want to know where, where, where are all of the Emmy's girls. Here's here's weird is it's like we just did this huge episode of major, major, major trauma and the only people interacting with Peyton are the boys, right, Like not one girl goes to talk to her, like, oh baby, you were just almost raped. That's weird. Like that brother we met at that house party turned out to be a total creep. No one to talk to her, which is you can tell that like boys wrote this because like we would be in each other's like you could be my mortal enemy. We would have both crawled into bed with you and see how left your house? And yeah, but but boys are the heroes friends. Well, it's also such elementary school politics, like and I know we've talked about this a lot, but it's the way men think women are. Like the fact that after this has happened to Peyton, the only mention of you between the girls is between Joy and I. It's Brooke and Haley getting on the bus, and I'm like, don't tell her I asked about her, Like that's that's like if if you, I don't know, like stole my prom dress or something, which I will do, don't worry you. Sure, Well it's a little foreshadowing for the fans little Easter Egg, but no, truly, it's like it's so insane that we are not just there, like any fight, any upset, ceases to matter in the face of something so seismically circumstantial. I mean, Brooke. The comment that Brooke makes by the bus is something I can't remember what it was, but it was something very flippant, like oh, because you know some psycho like came after her to It's like it's something about like one little stalker and it's like, I'm sorry, she almost got raped in murder. She's got scabs all over her face. Yeah yeah, you like Luke didn't actually go tell both of them exactly what happened and how awful it was. Also, where is Larry? Did she not tell her dad what's going on? She says that she won't call him, which also is insane technical question, Like I work on a television show that involves law enforcement now, and I don't feel like sixteen year old get to make that choice. I feel like law enforcement has to call the homeowner or has to call the parent. And also is the parent in trouble now because they've left an underage kid by themselves. You're not a story like huge missed opportunity for a story. Yeah yeah, if Peyton is like if child Protective Services is called because Peyton has been left alone for two years as a minor, where's a grandparent? Where's an uncle? Like literally where anyone? Where are the adult there? But the where are the adults? But I do think again it leans into this fantasy idea of you know, kids wanting to go out on their own, and it leans into what we clearly see butting in this episode so literally, not not even just in these figurative ways that we've been portrayed on screen, uh for the last couple of years, but it's the adultification of teenagers. It's it's this notion that you know, they're on their own and the quote romantic idea is that they're finding their way. But the gross thing is that they're being treated like grown ups and not being supported. And um, I don't care how many times we have Brooke Davis repeat that she's eighteen. I was just gonna says she should have button. Hi, my name is Brooke, I'm a teen. So gross, and it's like it will never make it okay. It will never be okay that Larry's not there for Peyton, it will never be okay that Brooks teacher is sleeping with her like cognito, Like hell, she needs money and she can't call her parents. That was so weird. I really, I really a problem with that because the whole, the whole thing about who Haley was in the beginning was that she so badly want She saw Nathan as someone who was independent, and she saw his reliance on Dan as a weakness, and she was so encouraging of him to do things on his own, to you know, get away from his parents. She would never have respected that that he would go to his dad for money, his dad who has been so abusive in his life. And I remember when we got that script that I was I think. What I remember is that I had a lot going on in my personal life as usual, and this day you you at the best skin and um. But yeah, I just remember really feeling gross about that and like kind of pushing through it, and I remember wanting to spend time arguing about it, but I just didn't have the energy and I was like, fine, whatever, I'll say it. And watching this now, I'm like, I really wish I had pushed back on that a little bit because it's just so out of character for her. And there were so many other people to call, Like Hayley's parents were the nodull But what about Grandpa, Grandma? Yeah, what about Whitey even, Yeah, why do you give me some money? That would have been a great art that's right. Well, what about Lucas and Um and Nathan teaming up to do some kind of something to raise money? To like, I feel like there were just so many opportunities. I don't know why. I don't know why he went to Dan Well, but the only reason he went to Dan was to set up Rick Fox being like a loan shark. But that's lazy writing. I agree, I fully agree. I'm just saying you can you can see it. It's like it so much of what we're seeing here is lazy writing. It's like, let's get the muffia involved, let's get the girl, let's get the girl banging her teacher in the classroom. Like it's all just so gross, and it's like it just it truly does remind me like, oh man, anytime you doubt yourself, just imagine you had the confidence of a mediocre man, because, like truly, because the level of mediocrity that we're seeing here, it's like you threw the stone two inches and went that'll do. Like come on, you know. This is something Rob Buckley said to me once I was telling him. I was talking to him about this guy that I was seeing, and I wasn't your it to do? And I was like trying to explain, like how do I you know what the whole situation was? Anyway, he just at one point he just looked at me and he was like, this guy's not making any effort. Joy. And I was like, but he did this, and he did that, blah blah blah, and he was like, Joy, that's showing up with shoes on. You're you're giving him way too much credit. And it's I love that phrase and I use it all the time now, Thanks Robert Buckley. But that's what this episode was, showing up with shoes on. It was. There were so many lazy writing moments. Yeah, And and the thing is, I think it could have been really cool, you know, to your point. If if Nathan had leaned on Lucas and said, I'm really struggling, man, here's what's going on, and the Ravens had organized something, wouldn't it have been cool to see Rick Fox like, okay, let's go really cliche high school. Let's say they organized the Ravens basketball players do a car wash. Wouldn't it be cool to see Rick Fox creep through there in his fancy Cadillac. Notice he needs money. It wasn't that fancy to my Cadillac. By the bye, I was like, if we're trying to sell that this dude's like successful, Why is the English teacher driving a cooler car than like so insane? So insane. I love this day dream though, Yeah that's what about or the cool Yeah, but all those boys and that's what I'm saying, Like they could have done something, and then the creepy guy could have come in the mix and and and you know, even asked somebody like what are we doing? And it's like, oh, well, you know, Nathan's got a baby on the way, We're raising some money. Like it could have all seemed very innocent and fun and and led to something sinister, but instead we just put pedal to the metal on like sinister stranger. Yeah, because then Dan could have offered to give him money, and then Nathan could have chosen to take it from Rick Fox instead of his dad. Like right, I mean, there's so many interesting way I feel like this episode, not this episode, but this kind of cluster of episodes is really when one tree Hill started to jump the shark. And and it was because when we had the whole thing of like who killed Dan, and people started making like references to Dallas and and who shot Jr? Who shot j R? Yeah, it felt like some of our bosses thought, oh man, we are going to enter into a legacy of and so they wanted those big, huge, weird storylines. I don't know any of our fans that loved our show for those big, huge, weird storylines. Everything that they bring up is like the small intimate moments. Yeah. I just don't think they could get away from the competition of OC and Gossip Girl and how big those shows were in the industry. Because One Tree Hill was super popular with our crowd, like our grassroots crowd, which was a huge population, but it wasn't like the We weren't the show that was getting all of the sort of Hollywood attention. And I think there was an obsession with the competition, like trying to put us on on the same level or something so strange. It's also so weird to me because the the Hollywood attention, to your point, joy like, that's all manufactured. That's that's publicists doing their jobs, sending people to events we weren't in. We weren't getting that level of Hollywood attention because we weren't in Hollywood. We were in l A or New York. What was that dorky club that everybody went to, Remember that club that like everyone was seeing that. Oh like hide, that's what it was. Still there. I've never been like you guys. We we couldn't wrap work and go to some fancy event or a publicity dinner or a like. We were just working and going home and like going to the Copper Penny to have And I loved that, but we weren't in the mix in that way. And so it's just so odd to me that, you know, it's like if they wanted it that badly, they could have done with us. What they did was shameless, Like we could have shot in l A at Warner Brothers and then done exteriors in Wilmington's for like six weeks a year, but they didn't want to do that. And so it's like pick one. You either want to be the show that shoots in the town where your show is set or or you want to like send your kids to Rolling Stone parties. But you can't have both. It's true. And and you, Sophia in particular, worked your ass off maintain and build your career off of this show by doing things like flying back and forth every weekend to l A to make sure that you were able to participate in the things that you wanted to be there for, which got you more work, which brought you know, gave you an opportunity to have the platforms that you have now. It's like there was this amazing stepping stone that you saw, especially with your pr brain too, because you went to school for journalism or for for journalism. I appreciate that, but I gotta say it didn't feel like that for me. Like I was hustling home as often as I could for like meetings, I was going home to audition a lot. I've I've never really been a person who loves like sending it a tape. So if there was something I really wanted to like fight for, you know, I would. I would fly, I would take the meeting, I would do whatever. I would definitely make sure, especially by this point, that like any event for the charities I was working with, I would I would make it home. But it's funny because to me it felt so much like there was so much I wanted to do that I just couldn't because we were in Welmington's it wasn't possible. And with work sometimes, like I remember, there there are two movies that like still crush me that that I like I was supposed to do, and then because of our dates, because like we would do twenty four episodes instead of twenty two, I couldn't. And I watched people go do these projects and just be like, oh my god, I wanted that's so bad. But you know it's like we tried. We tried to do anything that we all couldn't. Certainly, by this point, I was just like itching to do anything else the teachers or like random part time models. Yeah, so weird that I was looking for more fulfilling work. Then this really annoyed me in this episode watching that, I was hated. Can they not think of anything else else for Sophia to do? You're so good? I don't understand why it was just continually over and over. Oh here's a new boy, let's throw him on Sophia. Can we come up with something else? But they've also got your bitchy like season one too, you're being punished in this episode. They were like, all the stuff you've worked for for all these years, we're back at square one. We shoot some laddered you all the way back. You know what I will say, I don't like obviously we've we've talked about this I don't like the way that Brooke and Peyton are relating at this point, but I get I get that they want us separated so they can have the big reunion episode at you know, prom or Winter Formal or whatever it is. But I love like, even when Brooke is hysterical or like stressed and gets really snappy, I love the comedy of Brook and Rachel too, Like all of that is so fun and rich and hilarious, and like us in the bathroom killed me, Like I loved this, and I just wish they had let us have more fun together and that it didn't always have to be about a guy. That's all we ever talked about, Brooke and Rachel boys boys boys boys boys boys boys, and it's like we're both too good for that. I like that you guys went. I mean I literally wrote in my notes Brooke and Rachel besties with the whole mixtaper earrings thing, and then literally like two seconds later, you skanked me into this, like from like, oh my god, we're best friends. We've earned it. Like this feels nice to You're dead to me, it's so funny. It's so high school. That is so high school with high school girls. Do um. Can we talk for a second about Lucas cluelessness at the beginning of this episode. Well, also the introduction of Chad's platinum blonde hair. That's what I want to because at some point between Derek almost raping and murdering his best friend slash feature wife Um and this episode, he had time to go up dye his hair plantum blood. What's going on, guys, I'm into it, Like, here's here's what my brain remembers. I yesterday had to do a sit down for a documentary about TRL and about like the MTV of it all and how it did tie into One Tree Hill, like we were like the music stuff. You know, they literally handed us the fan base we had on a silver platter because the numbers were the exact same between TRL and One Tree Hill, and and we had no like EMO representation with the boys on the show. And like Chad was like, give me that torch. I am going to be the boy wearing eyeliner and with the platinum blonde hair, and I am going to be your EMO dream come true. And like for girls, he did it. He should have had a bass guitar that he just like slung around that would be. That's what I was gonna say, though, is like he's lee thing into that level of emo in a way that I I almost wish they'd let him take it a little farther. Like in this episode, like he's wearing that I don't know if it was like an ed Hardy shirt or whatever that is, but it's got like a skull and like it, and I was like, I was like, let it, let it go the two steps past, let it go to actual rock and roll instead of the like middle party thing, because like Chad committed to it, like his hair is bleached out, he is, I don't know if it's eyeline or eyeshot or whatever. He's wearing that like leans into that very fallout boy like I make up it's but it works on him, like and I don't I don't know if he found it first, like doing the Jack Sparrow or whatever, but I don't know. There was something I saw in this where I was like, wait, like let him like let him go because he's deep down what I was about. But that's what I was about to say, like I almost wish all us wish they'd let him like lean further into it with wardrobe and stuff, because it is when you guys really begin this like deep bond that sets you up, like when we get to the end of this season and you have the it's you moment, like I don't know, I love There's something about it that reminds me of like when you guys were trading records in season one and I'm like, oh, I want more of that, Like don't you feel that? Like you can kind of sense it coming. It was such a thing during this time period and for us to not have any of the boy characters embodied like that emo look in like the vibe and that like let him be our Billy Idol come on. We were coming off of Pearl Jam and Nirvana and even Dave Matthews band was kind of the new generation of that that we were all into. But that was all very emo stuff and the guys were kind of grungy and we never we never had the pop music. It was all pop punk, so it was like the Used and then Canada gave us some forty one and we had fall Out Boy and those were all like the kids that would come on TRL and every damn one of them was wearing guyliner. But I think but That's what I'm saying is like I wish they'd I wish they'd let it go a little farther with him, and like that wardrobe had leaned into it, because there's something kind of cool again, the women see it. The guys, the guys in the writer's room are not like doing enough. But when you think about the fact that Peyton was super into Pete Wentz, I love the idea that post Pete Wentz, Lucas decides he wants to be like a little more emo, and like, yeah, I like that's what I'm saying. I think it's so and like viby and I don't know, I'm like, damn, I wish that they'd been smart enough to like track it that way and lean into a little more, because clearly he was game, like he was enjoying it, so like let him live. If Peyton's the goth girl on the cheerleading squad, having a guy an eyeliner on the varsity basketball team is not something that we've seen on television that was new. Um, it's also really probably the most normal thing that happened in this episode because having a preteen boy right now, you know we're going to go We're gonna go to a concert this weekend and see Mona skin those hot little Italians And I was like, Gus, do you want to wear eyeliner? And he's like, uh, yeah, of course I know. And that level of experimentation in middle school in high school is not something that we're seeing a lot of with the boys on our show. And so cheers to Chad for I think he's the one that initiated it. I don't think anyone in the hair and makeup trailer was like, hey, we should try this. I think he definitely know he that was what he wanted. And I just think like it would have been so cool if, instead of kind of like fighting to rain him in on it, our creative team had been like, wait a second, this is going to be a vibe, like like Lucas goes from being a very you know, carbon copy southern boy who gets like a generic terrible tattoo with Brooke to like finding his identity which is more emo with Peyton, Like I love that. I love that. I love that evolution. And I don't know he he loved it, and so I just wish they'd like seen it as an asset and let him run with it and leaned into it for the two of you, because as the two of you are having this experience that leads to the future of your characters. I just think it would have been really cute if you'd started to look more like like brother and sisters and matching haircut. Do you remember the first time that you, like, like tried something new at school, like that you you went out there and you were like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be different today. Oh. I literally thought you were gonna be Like do you remember the first time you realized you were wearing the same outfit as your partner And I was like, yeah, Grant and I literally do it all the time. We'll like, we'll like meet upstairs to go to dinner, and I'll just be like, Osh, one of us has to change. We're just wearing all the same colors, and I'm like, oh my god, we really are becoming the same person. But oh, high school. Yeah, my first one was when I went to high school and showed up in New Jersey from Texas and that that combo did not fly. I had to get tough fast. Is that when you started wearing your hoop earrings? That's when I started doing the dark brown lip liner hoop earrings. It was like the frosty brown lipstick but with dark brown eye mac swirl. Oh, I remember you looked like Carrie. Like you showed pictures and I'm like, oh my god, that's Mariah car Yeah, it's hot. So what did you do, Hilary? I mean, I very much wanted to fit in because I've been an ostracized kid, and so freshman year like went to the mall and bought all the things that Abercrombie had, and like freshman year was abercrombied out. And then I started dating this like really bad boy, and I didn't have like I didn't have to follow any rules anymore. I could do whatever they wanted and nobody could say anything to me. Uh, And so I started dressing like a man, like I went to the thrift store and bought like old man trousers and wear a little teeny tiny shirts with like big old man pants, and that feeling of just like oh that's yeah yeah, but that feeling of like, oh, I don't have to play by the rules and some people are going to make fun of this, but like the hot people are this is my uniform. Like you feel it you step into it. Yeah, yeah, I remember there was one summer at camp. I started going to camp when I was nine, and you had a literal uniform that you had to wear at school, right, Oh yeah, so like weekends were our playground. But yeah, I mean I like, I bought uniform skirts in seventh grade and never bought new ones. So in seventh grade they were like oversized, like school girl, like to the knees. And by my senior year, I looked like a cheerleader because I was like, I'm spending my money on new new skirts. Absolutely not um, but yeah, there was like, God, the summer between eighth and ninth grade was when all the huge, like giant Union Bay jeans were a thing, and so it was like big baggy jeans, little crop tops, and my friend Lauren and I got really into white eyeliners, like thick, like chunky, thick white eyeliner and so much mascara, and we were just like, we are so cool, We're so cool. Oh man, got the white eyeliner. I'd forgotten about that one. Yeah, it was great, I'll find I tried that once for an event. It was like something in New York Fashion Week. I was like, I'm gonna really just go out on a limb and eyeliner. Let me tell you what does not look good on my face? I don't know if it looks good on my face either, but god, I felt fabulous. I remember the little plastic like woven chokers that looked like little flowers. Yes, they have a little flower choker and white eyeliner and little tops and giant jeans. Oh man, it was a moment, so twiggy. Yeah, we had chokers. I had the leather choker that was like but then I've realized, like I had a weapon around my neck, like anybody could have murdered me where something like that. Yeah, because it won't break, Yeah, it won't break. And when it was like woven leather, Um, what was yours? Joy? Did you have like a cameo on one? Oh? Yeah, probably I did. Oh god, I love cameos. Nailed it, predictable, Victorian. Victorian, I had a cameo velvet choker with a cameo on't like a little face tie. Yeah, I'm like, I think I've seen you wearing one of those. Actually, hold on, I feel like I'm I'm on the internet right now buying a choker web. I was I was watching The Great you guys watching that on Hulu. The oh, it's so good. It's about but it's um l Fanning and Nicholas Holes. Isn't it very like cheese? It is? It's it's bubblegum pop. I'm excited. And the costumes are insane, the sets are insane, the acting is really it's all very very well done. Um. But there's a character and she always wears a diamond necklace like a ten this necklace but thicker, and then with uh ribbon, like a just a ribbon choker around her neck and this diamond necklace together. Every time I see it, I'm like, why I need that in my life. Yeah, the holidays, that's the look. Let's do that next time, next time. So you made the choice not to wear a lot of makeup in this episode. Speaking of makeup, Hillary and I, it's the first time I remember seeing that because even after Ellie died, like they still you still had lipstick on the next day, not like it was noticeable. It was just like, you know, there was a uniform for all of us, uh, for our faces, and it was just like, that's what it is around the c w you have to look like this, And I really loved that you in this episode had you probably had foundation on your skin, looked amazing. You were super glowy, best hair days you've ever had um so far, and uh didn't shower the whole time. Maybe that was it. I don't know, but you But did you have to fight anybody on that or was that a pretty easy transition? You're like, look, I just had an attack. I'm going to not have makeup on this episode. I watching this episode back, I can't pinpoint exactly what it is, but I it's like I had acid reflux watching this episode back, Like my body remembers being mad or like grossed out or just like toxic, and I I hate it this Like I watching it back almost twenty years later, I'm like, I hate this, hate this, I hate this. I didn't like the trauma bond between Peyton and Lucas, and I didn't have the words for that back then. But the romanticizing of a trauma bond is weird for me as a grown up. You know, like, this child has been assaulted, she is living in Karen's house, and like no adult talks to her, and so of course she is so glued Lucas's side. That's not love. That's not love, that's trauma. And like, at what point you know, to sleeping beauty, wake up from that and say, oh, I've kind of been in a I've been in a holding pattern just trying to like survive every day. Um. So I really didn't like that. I really didn't like how Derek was directed to be so hostile. I didn't like that we finally had another black man on the show and he was directed to be super hostile. And I thought it was out of character for a marine. They are trained to control their feelings, and so there was a lot that's interesting. It's a lot there that I was like, Ernest is a good actor, so I don't like this direction that he was given. Um. And I thought the whole get over at Peyton messaging was yeah, you know, like, yeah, not a way to handle sexual assault. I see all that. Yeah, I mean I think these are great points. But you as an actor, so I'm saying you really did. You really did a beautiful job. And I will say, like, the the thing that I wrote down, the thing that felt the most authentic to me. There's a line really early in the episode. That is something that makes me want I just want to punch people in the face when they say this to anyone who's been through something. Lucas says to you, if you let this change you, he wins. And it's like, excuse me, there is a before and after when you go through something like this, and you just so simply respond and say, then maybe he wins. I mean that's probably how I would answer in real life. Yeah. Yeah, But it was the only acknowledgement of of course this is going to change me, and in whatever way you frame it, I'm different and like it. It felt like an acknowledgement and and you know a bit of a protest because someone who hasn't been through that kind of trauma doesn't have a right to tell you not to be changed, you know, and I don't. He's so flippant at the beginning of the episode, the whole like making jokes like, oh, let me guess what happened, like you're not feeling like, you know, had the thing, and he was kind of poking fun at you. I just I really didn't understand where he was coming from at all with any of that. Also, the whole sentiment, the whole episode is that you're a lesser person if you have been changed by a traumatic event and pay a week. Yeah, she's treated like she's lesser. It's like, oh, if you could just get back to being old Peyton, then you'd be a tough girl again. And for the first time, she's actually being honest and admitting, Hey, I'm scared, I don't want to be myself. I'm telling people the truth for the first time ever. I'm really struggling here. And it's like, oh, God, she's she's a fraction of who she used to be um And you think that was the whole episode or you feel like that was just where Lucas was coming from. No, I feel like that's how. But the only two people Peyton interacts with her Lucas and Derek, and they're both telling her that, you know, I didn't. I think that's why I liked the boxing scenes so much. It didn't seem to me that that's not the message I got anyway. I liked the interspersing of all the flashbacks of every of all these painful moments that have hit Peyton that she's just sort of taken emotionally. She's been taking these hits, taking him, taking him, taking him so to fight back is meaningful. Um It. I felt a Catharsis for her in that. As I was watching it, I was like, Yeah, that's you. You can't just keep taking the hits. You have to find a way to release. Um I liked it for that reason. It was joy. That day at work was so awkward because you see this big, huge scar on my knuckle, like I've got I've got a big middle knuckle over here. And it's because my brother had left a dirty dish in the sink and I was pissed and I went to go wash it and it shattered and it sliced open my knuckle and like cut the tendon. Good to Like three days later, I've got to shoot this boxing scene. The reason my hands are all hidden in the sleeves of that sweatshirt because we had to like pad the shit out of it because I'm Ernest was all padded up. They didn't even have him. It was like they didn't have him grab a bag or something or like a pad for me to paw. I was supposed to be punching him, but the way it had to be shot, I wasn't actually punching him. I was just kind of swinging my arm and having to like fake punch the side of him, which looks stupid, and I knew it looks stupid on the day. And anytime you have to do a stunt that you know look stupid on the day and cry on top of it, you're just like, why is everyone begin with me today? Why can't I just punch something directly or or not cry? Like it didn't look that bad now that they once they edited everything and they cut it all together, with all of it, you couldn't tell. I mean, I could tell you, but it's only because I know how you had to shoot it. It was uncomfortable. I also have to say, like now I know that that coincided with your hand thing, but I honestly when you were swinging at the sides of him, was like I'd kind of like the choice, like I thought you made a choice. To me, no, but it's like, look like a kid who didn't know what she was doing. Like you're not you know, Linda, You're not Linda Carter. You're not like wonder Woman. You're not doing like a coordinated stunt scene like you're supposed to be a kid who's this scared and and and I don't know, I kind of liked that you didn't look like, you know, a vander Holyfield, like, because I find that to be ridiculous too. They wrote this because Million Dollar Baby had just come out in two thousand four, it won the Oscar at the end of that year, and then you know, we shot this like six months later, so you know, it was just your house, like a couple episodes ago. And didn't someone else have some boxing in their house. It's like they the boxing out on a number of us, and I don't know. Also, that ring was really springy, and so when I would take steps forward, I'm like bouncing and came and I couldn't stop bouncing, and so it just looks like Peyton's hopping the whole time. And I might be the only person that's really zeroed in on this because I hated it so much, But all I saw on that scene was bouncing and arms flapping and like having to cry, Oh, Peyton. I liked it. I agree with Sophie. I thought it was a choice, the sort of like Flailey element. Well, if you do say so, it shall do. I think it's funny though that everybody on our show at some point or another was boxing except for me and I box, and I was always like, I want to I want to go. No, you're being punished a second phase with your part time model. Okay, we I don't know that we need to spend much time on it with the teacher. But why why why why did they do this? I don't know. I um, I really, I haven't stopped thinking about the tweet that we got about this. You know, it hasn't stopped kind of pinging around in my brain that that fans have picked up on what felt like some really inappropriate messaging, like that this felt targeted and and he showed us yeah last week, I guess it was you know that that men are like WHOA like f y I that felt weird to us. And you know, again we're repeating that Brooke is eighteen. Again, she goes in and says, hi, Brooke Davis, eighteen high school student. You know, the this notion that it might be inappropriate, but it's not illegal, that that a bunch of men in their mid forties. We're trying to suggest that it was okay. Yeah, it's okay at least on a basic legal level. You know, no, one can ever know, but you can still do it. It just it makes my stomach turn. It makes me really feel sick because what they're doing is they're trying to normalize and romanticize a clear abuse of power. Well, also, she's okay, technically not a child. But if this man is willing to sleep with a student, you think that the fact that she's eighteen really matters to this guy, who clearly has just excellent moral standards, It doesn't matter. You know. The whole thing is just not it's just not right. Well, the scheming to where he's like if we just wait three months, it's like he has thought this out, Like how do I get away with this? Yeah, so the next time she's sixteen, then the next time she's fifteen, and then how how long does you know? What I mean? Like, how far does that line go? So disgusting? And again, you know the fact that this repeat of Brooks age is being peppered in so often, the fact that they made Rachel say, well, you know, normally it's eighteen is the age of consent, but in this state it's seventeen. Like, so essentially what you're saying is a bunch of other grown men have made a version of pedophilia, okay in this one state in the South, and we're going to pretend that's all right. Like I cannot imagine you guys at twenty six years old being like, you know who I want to kiss that eighteen year old that's seventeen, because I mean, what are we when we're shooting this season, We're twenty five? Like I don't even know that we were yet. I think we were still like twenty four. I mean, I don't know anything about those laws. I don't know if any of them were put in a place when teenagers were getting married, like sixteen year old were marrying each other and each other being forced to get out of the house and go get jobs. And because the economy was different and the social structures were different, So it's possible that that came from at but it's still gross because of the implications that how it affects people who do Still it's a loophole, and that's what bothers me, And that's what it is. It's only ever used as a loophole, and it's used as a loophole predominantly to prey on young women. And and just the fact that we were that we were being asked forced to portray some sort of normalization of this, even when Brooke is being vulnerable with him and saying like, well, what is this? Is this just sex to you? And and she says, you know, all we ever do is sneak around. I mean, not that sneaking around is so bad. It's like she's been cultured to make jokes for her own feelings. And I still just yeah, it just all made me feel a different way. You guys, like, legitimately, legally is eighteen, he's twenty three years old. Let's those are the rules, right, And he finds out that she is his student. He could have said, hey, I really like you a lot, and there's only three months left, and so I'm going to be your friend and like get to know you for three months. I'm your teacher and so we're not going to cross those boundaries. But I like your brain and I'm seeing you use it in the classroom and like cool, and when you are eighteen, like or when you are graduated like meat. It could have gone a different way where you saw him being responsible. But now what we have back to back are two men being reeled in by the feminine wiles of high school girls between Rachel and Brook. You know Cooper was a good man before that. What I was just gonna say, Yes, he's a good man, but that Rachel got her hooks in him. And I'm sure this. You know, Nick guy is a good man. It's just the sexes. They're resistible. What's amazing. The same thing happened to um what's his name, Jake with Nikiy just getting lured in. They just can't help themselves. Yeah, I don't. I don't like it. Like Brooke having a secret, non sexual relationship with a teacher would have been salacious and also more interesting, like if they're literally meeting in the coffee shop to talk about books or her student government stuff and he becomes a mentor as opposed to a sexual partner. But the sex sex sex, sex, sex like that Drone b is so boring. It's so boring, and it's deeply uncomfortable. Because again on their first date, when she says, oh, this is where I used to be a cheerleader, and he says, you still have the uniform, Like it's it's even from the first date, it's all he was talking about. Yeah, it's just it's it's it's a fettization of these high school girls, of these cheerleaders. And when I think inc back to our boss literally screaming at us that none of the high school cheerleaders ever wanted to again, it just feels um. It makes it feel personal and creepy. It's very I don't know, I feel like we were all being kind of puppeted in a way that that felt it didn't feel like creative story. It really felt like personal wish fulfillment and it and it just like it makes my skin cross. We were so young, we didn't have enough experience to know how to name it and see what was going on. So it was like, we're so uncomfortable. I'm so uncomfortable. What do you guys? Even our last conversation, you know, on the last episode that aired, when we were talking about how we got bullied over the Maximum cover, Like you guys, that's headline news. I don't know if you've been on the internet this week, but like it is. It is major news. People are like, oh my god, there are articles written about it. Surprised me, I'd said, he just sent me that from Variety this morning. I first time I saw it, I don't know if it's been out for a while, but I was like, whoa, no, you guys. I I genuinely was like, wait, what this is news? And that's what I thought too, Like I thought, I've been yelling about this for years. Guys, well, hey, we've been yelling about it for years. But be we were we were treated like this was normal. We were spoken to like this was normal. We were told that this was just business dealings. So the fact that like major publications are going look what happened to these girls, and we're like, oh, it really was crazy, Like for us, it was just another day that all these people are like how dare oh my god, unbelievable that this was allowed to go on on their set, and we're like, hello, this was our every day. Like it's just so it's it's it's surprising even now, um to realize how out of the norm that is. And so it I think it just all factors into when we watch things like this on screen, you go, oh, come on, it feels personal joy. You're getting put into the karen um, what is the what is what the word for? Like a man would be called a eunuch, but like you're getting put into this this like sexless box. She's the Madonna. There's it's the Madonna horror Complex and Rachel and Broker Horse and Haley is the Madonna and you you guys had beautiful scenes this episode. And it was weird to get a backstory from Karen that was no backstory, like did you guys clock that? When she was like, you know, look at all the things that you have, Haley, I was pregnant and I didn't have a family, and I had no friends, and that's all we know about Karen. Yeah, no, no real information. It's so weird. She's so unvaluable that we don't dig into any of it. It is so so weird. I think they just really didn't know. I mean, that was it. If you're not useful for sex, then I don't know what to do with you. I suppose we'll make you pregnant, if we magine that's gonna buy us nine hole months, that's right, So we'll make you pregnant, but then you're gonna have a baby, and now you're definitely sexless. So I really don't know what to do with you. So let's make it so. If you notice these whole storylines all from like from a little bit before this all start to become about reactionary stuff. She's not actually active and making choices and doing things and inter interfering in other people's storylines, or there's no action. She's just reacting for the next like basically the next nine season or six seasons. Yeah, it's really really weird, Sophia, you're gonna say something. Well, I was just gonna say, it's so interesting that they're like, well, the minute she's pregnant, she's got to be buttoned up and and prude, and then once she's a mom, she's prude. And I'm like, do y'all forget how women get pregnant? Like, clearly she's not a sexless person. When you're pregnant, your hormones are bananas and you don't care that you're pregnant. Like, if anything, Haley should have been like all over Nathan, like you just won that game, you just won three games in a row. Let's jam Oh my god. Yes, But you know what I will say, because I don't just want to be down on the grossness of the writer's room. I want to give like a very sweet shout out to how nice it is to see the River Cork boys them in the gym, and that that scene where you know, Lucas tells Skills to keep his starter jersey and then you see Lucas, Nathan and Skills just dominating these games together. And the montages of the playoffs are so good. And even though I hate Brooke and her teacher hooking up at school, it's literally disgusting. There's the way they edit everyone's stories so that you see what everyone's doing during these montages, whether it's bad behavior, you know, good behavior, you're you know, you're dealing with your stuff. It's I don't know, like that is some of the best of what our episodes were. So even though there's a lot I think that's problematic. Here, the the joy of the game and Whitey becoming such a good advocate, like telling Dan to back the funk off and Nathan and getting Lucas back in the game for fifteen minutes a game, Like there is some really d Whitey here. Ah, there's just some beautiful stuff that I want to cling to because that's what yeah, it was, just like those are the meaningful moments. It's not all the crazy action. It's the moments where you just sit on Barry's face, watching the boys play and being proud of the work that he's put in and seeing the fruits of his labor. Those are the kinds of things that in real life, Those are the moments that feed our soul, and when you watch it from characters who you love, it feeds your soul. Those are the things that feel really important to me. I loved that as well. White He had that really good quote because he was talking about you know, do you know how much it took for your mother to come in here and and ask for you to play those fifteen minutes? He said, you get fifteen minutes of time, a game to make her proud and a lifetime to make them both proud, referring to Keith because he's now wearing Keith's jersey. And see, that's it, Like that's the thing that we write down. We don't write down the loan Shark ship. You know. That's that's the goofy stuff that some dude in the room thought was cool. The stuff that our fan based that was cool were those moments of like, hey, what I do matters and how I connect with people matters. Yeah, and Barry, that idea that you know, You've got these minutes in the game and a lifetime. It's it's this sweet old man essentially saying it only gets bigger and better from here. Yeah, put high school in perspective. These are moments you have a whole lifetime, grow into the man you want to be, make your people proud for the next you know, sixty years, and that that's such sage advice, especially when you're in that bubble when you feel like it's your whole world. To remember that there is a universe out there waiting for you is such a that's just such a gift that's only someone with perspective can give to you at that age. Agreed. How do you feel about the mouth and gig of it all? Oh? I love seeing Kelsey. She's so good. I mean we just watched her Yellowstone like she's killing. Is such a good dramatic actress and it's crazy as to be reminded of like all this comedy she was doing is a baby. Yeah. Yeah, she's so great and they're so sweet together, and it's fun to watch them. It's really fun to watch them well, and I like that mouth clocked the whole Oh, I've been friend zoned, like multiple times. Am I really going to friend zone this? You know, they try to make her a nerdy girl, but she's like a super hot girl sunning. Yeah, it's like the Rachel Lee Cook effect. You're like, okay, guys, nice trying to see that she's doing to um. All right, what else did we miss? That's it? Uh, the government letting pedestrians wander through the training the military crew. That was clearly no one in our writer's room had ever been pregnant or dealt with the pregnancy before, because they have no idea what hormones are. Um, they have never been on a military base or like not on a military base like seeded up front. You know, they just they were just making it up at this point. That was so funny, Like that was so funny. Sophie and I were cracking up the idea that a pedestrian could just walk up to a marine base and be like, I'm just I'm just looking for Derek. Oh yeah, he's over there, no problem. And then the card gate just goes up to a ride in my hum Vy into training, going to give you a ride here. We were at war. We were at war when this episode aired. We were and that's right. I mean, we were literally training to send these boys to war. It was serious and so yeah, that idea that like. And then they're giving Billy Idol a ride onto their base and then you come later exactly, it's so crazy, just a little walk and talk with the crazy what Joy and Hill. We were dying laughing before you hopped on, because you know, it cuts to Ernest leading everyone through a run, and then it just turns and there's some guy and Chad in the hummer driving through the training exercises and we were so aghast that that would never happen. I didn't even say, but I wrote down I go, and they tore up the grass like, oh my god, like the car literally like left hire trucks gonna get this. We're going to just send on a helicopter next time. Don't worry. That's what I want to see, guys. I don't know. There were some real ridiculous things. I'm going to go out on the fact that the River Court boys were the sweetest And let's end on a high note and take a fan question. Yes this one, okay, I'm gonna ask you, guys. It's from Carrie. She says, what do you think the origin story of Peyton and Brooks friendship is the show never actually told us how they became friends. Whoa how is what did happen? Well, there's mention of us having been friends since we were little. Remember I thought Peyton's mom died when she was like eight or nine, and so I know that we were friends before that, before that. Yeah, because Peyton talks about you tell that story. I don't remember if it's this season or last season, about how when your mom died, I just never left and we talked about the winter and like the Igloo when Igloo story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so I mean they've been friends since elementary school at least. Yeah, I mean eight or nine is like third fourth grade. So if they were already best friends before that, these are preschool buddies. These are just like and my kid has those, Like Goss is friends with the same kids that he's been friends with since he was three, and every once in a while, like you pick up a new person. But I can totally see them as like the two alpha chicks in the preschool classroom. That are because personalities are strong at that. I just dropped George off. That's why I was late, because I dropped George off at preschool, and I'm just like, please just be like a sweetheart, don't be loving and inclusive. Um yea, but yeah, I think preschool. You're still friends with kids that she went to preschool with. Yes, wait no kindergarten. Kindergarten. Yeah, but the same difference. Yeah, she has one particularly one really good friend who she still want to kindergarten with. Yeah, so sweet. Yeah, I I totally buy these two, you know, being friends from preschool. And it's actually really interesting to think at that moment, like Victoria and Peyton's mom wouldn't known each other. Oh wild right, that's pretty cool. We never find out anything about Peyton's mom. She makes one comment to Ellie like I got my art from my mom. But I just imagine these two little girls like and Peyton letting Brooke do whatever she wants to her, like I'm gonna take these markers and put makeup on you, and Peyton's like okay, Like what I mean? That's the energy that I see preschool Payton brop Hey, I'm gonna cut bangs, Okay, Okay, whatever you want. I also like the idea that little baby artist Peyton was probably giving us both like temporary tattoos with with our Pentel marker sets. Listen. I have a picture of Gus at that age where he has drawn what he thinks look like robot parts on his chest. It doesn't look like robot parts. It looks totally inappropriate. But at that age, you're giving yourself tattoos and you're like, I look so cool. Um, yeah, you give me the makeup. I'll give you the tattoos. Yeah, I need those photos. Those are fun? Do it? Most likely to do? This is good? This is good? Who's most likely to get rid of their smartphone and go back to a flip phone? Slash? BlackBerry? Girl? That BlackBerry was a love, that BlackBerry. It was. You had to pry that out of my cold dead hands. I was never going to give that thing up. I still have mine. What you guys, I have a box hold like I have it, but is yours. I gave it to Gusts to use as a prop and movies that he makes. I'm just gonna say that I had the newest model of the iPhone, and as soon as the smallest version that you could get, like the fits in the palm of your hand came out I went back to it. It's like the smallest, dumbest version, But I love it because it's not invading my life in the same way as that giant It was like a computer, and you're a giant computer screen in your hand. Every day. You can't sit down, you can't fit in any of your purses. It breaks. Are you going to do this? Just shrunk right now. I have literally been thinking about going back. So first I found my old BlackBerry, and then I found not one but to These are the razors. These are the Motorola raisers. And I want this to be my cell phone again. Yeah, so bad. Yeah. The idea that no one can just blow up your phone with text messages. How a relief that would be. And when you were on the phone you'd be like, okay, I love you buy yeah. Oh the feeling of that. I want it. Yeah, I have a box of old text piece of mind. If you're going to check your Instagram or your Twitter, you have to get on your computer, and like, this is the time you were choosing to do this instead of just having it in your pocket. The idea that I could have a phone that flips open and close and the only text I can send are like smiley faces, and I have to really type out the numbers, like gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, send me voice text all day long, send leave me voice messages I do not want to read. If I could get the sidekick again, the T mobile side that was my favorite device of all time. Oh flipped up on the side, Hilary, You and I have like visceral core memories of being in the makeup trailer at like five am and both of us being like hey, hey, like and we would just be typing in our little sidekicks. It was like having a typewriter in your fist and loved it all right. Well, then I think the answer to that wheel is all of us, because God, how do we get that endorsement deal? Like do we come out with a drama Queen's flip phone? Really, what I want is for this to be my cell phone, and then I want, like I wanted the device to essentially split where I only talk on the phone on this. But if I want to do like texts, emails, whatever on an iPhone that like I need longer form for I can. I don't know how to do that. Maybe somebody who's listening, knows how to how to do a little call forwarding or something. Yeah, you do the iPad, just do it all then iPad. So it's like a big thing that, like Joy. To Joy's point, you're forced, yes to get in there. I like that. I'm down Clophone city, man, it's happening here alright. Next episode, Season four, episode seven, all these things that I've done. Oh that sounds dark. Yeah, danger, I'm excited. See you next week. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. 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