Honey Grove • EP417

Published Mar 15, 2023, 6:20 AM

Imagine your favorite TV show arrives in your small hometown. That’s what happened in Honey Grove, Texas when the cast and crew took the show on the road and filmed on location.

The girls reminisce about the trip and it’s filled with nostalgia, friendship, lasting memories and deep emotions.

First of all, you don't know me. Were all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them high school queens forever. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl sharing for the right teen drama queens girl fashion. But you're tough, girl. You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama drawn MC, Queen's Drama Queens. Hey, Hi, Hello, welcome back everyone. It is season four, episode seventeen. It gets the worst at night. A lot of depressing titles for our show. Oh my god, especially for a happy episode. Yeah, we're having this uplifting moment after a lot of actual depression and sadness, and then they're like, let's just keep the titles. Really sad. I know, I don't know why, because it really was a fun episode. Scaruly having this episode of Aaron May nine, two thousand and seven. The synopsis is that the teens of Tree Hill that would be US, mount a rescue mission to treeve Marvin from his ill advised road trip with Rachel. While on the trip, Haley and Nathan get a second chance to enjoy the prom well, and I guess Brooke and Peyton do too, and we actually danced, and Lucas and Peyton decided to take their relationship to the next level. Brooke tells Haley that she lied. She was the one who lied about stealing the calculus exam and Nathan struggles with the residue of a past mistake and we went to Honeygrove. We sure, did we have my Honeygrove Texas hat? I have? I just found a whole thing in my attic full of Honeygrove paraphernalia, like like the police. It's like a badge. Yeah, yeah, police badge. Why did you have a police badge? We like remember single, no, every single I don't know, organization and Honeygrove came out for this. I mean we had law enforcement, the fired apartment, and the public school system and the mayor and everybody came out. Yeah, it was. It was so wild because we originally got into Paris, Texas. Well, yeah, how did we even end up in Honeygrove? There was a contest, but it was submissions from all over the United States or something like what was the ya? Does anyone remember? So I remember, and I don't remember where we launched it. I can't remember if they made us do commercials or if they were running radio ads. But they got fans to submit videos, and they asked like, as a team of friends, you know, get get your sort of high school crew and tell our high school crew why they should come and do prom with you guys. And these kids from Honeygrove just made the most charming video. And they toured us around the town, and they took us through the school and they talked to us about, you know, everything that they were doing and what they were into and why they related to Tree Hill. And I remember, to Hillary's point, we got into Paris, Texas late at night. That's where the motel was because there wasn't even a place for us to stay in Honeygrove, right, And as we filmed there, we started to learn about, you know, this phenomena that happens, you know, not just around America, but all sorts of places when you go through these huge generational changes and industry changes, and these towns that once had some big industry no longer dis Yeah, and Honeygrove was in this process. You know, not to be morbid, but it's it's what they said to us. It's stuck with me. They said, you know, we're a town that's in the process of dying, and wow, I remember like having to hold back tears, and so I think that was part of the reason, you know, coming in with all of us and a two hundred person crew and tour buses and music and all the stuff. It you're right, Hill, everybody came out. It was like a festival, Like we threw a festival for five days. It was so special to be a part of that with them, and it was fun. Yeah. I liked, you know, roll in at night, we couldn't see anything. We wake up the next morning and there's like a fake Eiffel Tower, but then it's really As we drove out to Honey Grove, it's all, you know, it's like a lot of farmland. And I remember being super creeped out at seeing like coyotes, being just like no baby tacked up on the fence post. Oh Jesus, Yeah, do you remember that, Just seeing like skulls and pelts and stuff, And I was like, what where going on? I had the first because you know, I get real nostalgic about touching old things, which is why I go to the flea market every weekend. And when we first drove into town and it was like Golden hour in the morning because we have to get up so freaking early. And I was like, look at these old grain silos and the fading paint. Oh my god, it's so beautiful. Is that a dead animal? Like? It shook me out of my beautiful like the revery real quick. Yeah it was. You know, I've been around taxidermy my whole life. I just never seen anything just like tact upon a fence before. That was that was too rich for me. That practice. What's the wonder what the point of that is? I think maybe it's supposed to like ward off other predators or it seems like a lot. And then I remember referencing it with the high school kids and they were just like, oh, yeah, that's like, you know, that's a weird thing that the older generation does. We don't do that, because I do think there is a lot of cool stuff about how a young person grows up in a town like this. You know, we have TV and movies and so you're exposed to the wider world even though you live kind of in this little bubble. Yeah, And so the kids of Honeygrove had like a million questions and did you go over to their house that night? We went and we did a watch party. I wish one of the kids houses. Unfortunately, I was like really stuck in a weird place in life at that time, and I just wasn't being very social and I regret it deeply. While there was a really cute little boy that was like a musician and he knew that our show was all about music, and so we went and we did this watch party at the house of this group of girls. And this kid was like, what was he like an eighth or ninth grade? I think he was definitely like freshman energy. I loved him. He played like a senior. I mean, he played like a boss, and we were all like, okay, honey, And it was so fun to just like find this kid that we would have never been exposed to otherwise and celebrate that he had this amazing gift and go to a local house party. I love fantastic. I love that. I wish we had been able to do that with our show more go out on the road and connect with yeah people, you know, the people in the towns that those kids that are watching our show and feeling so connected to us because that's who we were to them, just kids in a small town. Yeah, it felt real. You know, it felt really real that when we watched the party back, you guys said it, it's like, oh no, we didn't have to do anything to pump these extras up. Away was a real party. They all just showed up. They were so happy to be there. I loved. I loved looking at the landscape when you know, anytime I go into a small town that's like, that's like that kind of deserted and there's all these old buildings from the forties, fifties, and sixties. You can see it was once really thriving and then yeah, as you said, whatever the industry was left. I always wonder what that's like growing up in a high school like that. I didn't well at all. You've seen Last Picture Show, right, Remind me it's a Larry McMurtry book, Last Picture Show, And then they made the movie of it, his Sybil Shepherd, and you know, I didn't see it. What is it? Oh my god, it's incredible. It's about a small town in Texas, right, And I want to say they filmed it in the seventies, but it's about the fifties, and it is identical to the narrative that we experienced while we were there in the two thousands, and so it's kind of interesting to look at our episode of our show where the main Street has the exact same aesthetic as this classic American film and classic American novel, and it's existed, you know for a hundred Well, that is Americana. That's what it is. That's that feeling that you get where it's the old and the new kind of all merging together and all of this kind of country culture. I think it's so interesting, and I know that it probably feels really boring to the kids that are growing up there, But what they don't realize is that they're going to turn into that older generation that's perfectly fine, where yeah, it's like I just want my land. No one talked to me exactly like I'm happy, Just leave me alone, let me enjoy my life. You don't know that when you're sixteen go to the city to say, well, we really did have a good time. And this episode definitely address that older generation. We have to address the Dan and Karen of it all, because on Earth it carried through the whole episode and I gagged every time. I know, I feel like because they're look, they're doing this parallel path with Dan and Karen getting more intimate and him being sweet to her and her saying maybe I could love him, and you know, it's it's obviously moy was doing such a beautiful job in the Unseid in her performance, because you see it scratching this old itch or healing this old wound, you know, the Dan and Karen of high school years, and it's parallel pathed with Lucas getting closer and closer to the Abbey reveal he realizes who she is. He's looking for her in this episode. So I feel like the writers are making Dan and Karen lean so far in so that when Abby's secret is known by all of us, it'll feel like a bigger gut punch. Yeah, for sure that the strategy, right, Isn't that why this is happening? It has to be. I mean to me, each of the Dan and Karen scenes where he's like, I want to be here for you and the baby. I would be mad if you didn't call me. That's a very Lucas Scott move. You know, when he stays to make breakfast, when he finally admits to her. He's like, I haven't felt this way since I was seventeen and very much in love. You know, he's admitting she's the only woman that he's ever loved. All of those scenes bookend either a Haley and Nathan scene, and it's these two boys of Dan Scott are also more in love than they've ever been at seventeen, and so are they? Which one of them is going to end up like their dad? Yeah? Which one of them is going to be the one that really thought they were in love at seventeen? And then yeah? And then pulled the rug out. I cringe every time I watched Yeah, the Dan and Karen stuff, because you just can It's it's the it's the babysitter running upstairs when the intruder comes in the house, Like, don't go upstairs. Every time I watched Karen and Dan, I'm like, don't do it. And also, is tree Hill so small? It's so small that there's nobody else to make out with. It's this like she's needing closure. I mean that has to It's so human, right, Like it's got to feel good to her on some level, Like eventually, after all this time, he couldn't resist coming back to her. There's, you know, on some level that's got to feel good to her ego. I don't I'm not saying I don't think Karen is like obsessed with her ego at all. But we're human, like the things that make us feel good it's hard to run away from. So if you have your hand up you're like, no, I'm just like I'm dying because you're giving this really lovely answer, And all I could think of Hill when you were like, it's tree Hill. Really that's small, I'm like, well, we made tree Hill, and the only people any of us ever kiss, we're all of each other. So clearly there was nobody else to make allway, Hilary. I mean, I'm not going to admit to all the people I kissed, but I found a bigger bubble there was. There was a little teeny tiny tunnel under the screen dram studio with exit and find other people. Um um. But to your point, like, I don't know, I I worry that Karen doesn't have any friends to tell her, like she really run into the house year has no girlfriends. Well, and what an interesting thing that one of the tactics when you look at you know, the wheel that they show you in therapy if you've ever been in an abusive relationship, and they say, here's how you need to understand the system of how these relationships work. One of the biggest chunks of the wheel is isolation. Yeah, abusive partners isolate you, so you have nobody to go to as a sounding board to talk about what's happening to you and say, hey, that's crazy. Yeah, and it's really interesting to me that in the landscape of the show. You know, for reasons that we're probably less philosophical, probably just the fact that, again they didn't want to spend too much money on too many actors. They weren't going to cast friends. For Karen, she had deb or whatever. But she is an isolated woman who is being manipulated by this person who she's already been in this abusive cycle with, and he is love bombing her, and he is he is bending the truth to fit his narrative so that she will love him. And it's like, oh man, it makes like every alarm bell in my body go off. Yeah, I memorize that chart it. I want better for her. Yeah, who does her hair? Do you know what I mean like clearly cut her hair. Yeah, like what hairdresser? Inn isn't like why she doesn't talk to anyone. Well, the one person she did start talking to was Deb but now obviously that's the table. She can't talk to Deb about this. I know she can't talk to the kids. I mean, at least she keeps that boundary. She's not like sitting Haley down and being like listen speaking of female friendship. The Brook and Haley falling out in this episode, and it's so uncomfortable. I mean, I get it. I get why Haley was upset. I do. I don't know. I feel like maybe it's is she overreacting? Well, she didn't get fired. No, I don't think she's overreacting at all. I don't think she's either. I think what I appreciate about it is the fact that this storyline, for us deals with complexity in a real way, like we acknowledge how complicated this is. Brooke says, I wanted to tell you, but then she said I wouldn't graduate. I'm also gonna lose my job, Like I don't know what to do, and Haley's like, yeah, but I lost my job. It's a fight about things it's not just you said this and hurt my feelings and no, no no, non in and no no, not about boys, which is nice. Yes, it's it's about real complicated moments and when when we make a wrong choice and then it sends us down a rabbit hole and everything only gets worse, and the things we're trying to hold onto, and just all of it, and even the fact that you say in that scene, yeah, I lost my job, but you should graduate, Brooks says, I get that, but you're my friend. It we get to explore all the layers of why this would be such a hard thing for two people to talk about. Yeah, And I really appreciate that, because you're right. Sometimes when the characters are fighting over a boy, it's like, really, we're gonna act like this is important, This is something really important, is important. Yeah, And I love I love that Brooke owned up to it. I thought that was really cool because it would have been really easy for her to just let it go. And those are the kiel being gone. Absolutely, Rachel's gone, so like the scapegoat's gone. There's no reason to there's no reason except for her own character, her own meaning integrity to do that. And I thought that was really cool. I buy Hayley's anger. It's the betrayal. It's like, now I look stupid because I've been making fun of this girl for like weeks now, about this girl for weeks now. She didn't do it like it was you. What's interesting to me is that Brooke does some revisionist history and says I did it. She just took the fall, when in reality, no, Rachel hatched a plan and you two did it together. But but Brooke knows that she's the one who should have done it differently. Yeah, and I like, I kind of like a move. Yeah, I do like it, especially because all that's happening in this episode is Rachel is just being on the Oh god, what is going on? Oh my god, what's going on? Yeah, it's so grossery and you know what would hit me? And maybe it's because we were in another high school and we're having this conversation, these conversations about what it means that this moment is almost over, and I think about Chris Keller being like, oh, Rachel and all her plastic parts, and then the guys in the jail are talking about her plastic surgery, and then you're talking about it and everybody, and it made me think of the time capsule when Brooke says to camera, no matter what you do as a girl, you know, the paraphrasing is, no matter what you do, it's always wrong. If you're fat and dumb and you're a guy, it's fine, but if you're a girl, not so much. And if you're if you're sexy, you're a horn. And if you're not sexy, you're a prude. Girls can never be enough. And we had an adult writing an episode about a teenager who, by the way he wrote, to have had plastic surgery. Yeah, and then all anybody does is make fun of her plastic surgery and act like because she's she's so pretty, but she didn't earn it so ker and it's not so gross. It's like, no matter what you are, they will rip you to shreds. Even I mean, mouth is talking about something totally benign. I don't even know what he was saying, because I got so thrown off by Chris Keller going bitches, Like I'm just horrible over that. I'm so over men just calling women bitches as though it's a completely acceptable way of communicating. Yeah, Mouth, that was our boss's monologue. Oh yeah, and remember what we were talking about while we watched the episode. Okay, so guys, we obviously read your messages and we've noticed this for a while, and it hit us listening to that insane MONOLOGU there's always going to be somebody else with her, and you know what, I realized, and yes, are naked, but I didn't. The whole thing is so gross, and so many of you say my horse, like, oh, I had to let her go, but oh, it's just disgusting, and so many fans will say, like in this whole Mouth Shelley Rachel period fans will write in, they'll tweet us, they'll dm us and say, we don't recognize Mouth anymore. And this version of him is so gross. It's because this isn't Mouth. It's our boss writing himself as the I'm such a nice guy and all the sexy girls don't want to have sex with me, and isn't it sad for me? But I'm so much better than them. And that's why we look at the episode and go, who is that guy? We don't recognize that guy because poor Lee had to deliver these gross guy monologues that we're targeted at the young women on our show, and you're right, joy. But when Lee's doing Our Boss's monologue out loud as his dialogue, then Chris is like, get bitches, And then all the guys in the prison are like, Wow, you're just surrounded by all these hot bitches. You're a stud bro, and it's like, oh so and demoralizing. It really is a man well. And also Mouth swore to Shelley. He swore to Shelley he wasn't going to tell anybody that's right had sex because he knew how important her identity as a clean teen was to her. And what does he do. He tells every single person he can, his best friends and perfect strangers. And if you look at our Boss's life at the time, he was in a relationship that he'd been in since he was very young. And I don't know how he felt in that relationship. But Mouth was in a relationship with Shelley. She didn't make me feel like I was good enough. I was never good enough. What he said, Oh I did. Yeah, I love this. You're on it, go dude. He says, Shelly made me feel not good enough. And that's when Chris Keller's like, bitches, and then he says with Rachel, I knew it was a lie, but she was flirting with me. That is a hundred percent our boss talking. And he calls Rachel a pain reliever and he says, you know, she told me I was good enough. All I wanted was to amaze Shelley and I couldn't. And it's like, what what it is so out of context, it just comes out of nowhere. It's a pure example of someone in power wanting to use their platform for their own messaging of and processing whatever was going on with him. It had nothing to do with the show. It was not best for any of the characters. It wasn't best for any of the actors. It was just totally selfish and gross. And every turn he got think about this. This is when Danielle left, this punished in this episode, Like that was a conversation we all had behind the scenes. Everyone's going to get to go do this fun trip and you don't get you to do and you don't get to play well. So don't forget this. In the timeline, Danielle has left, They've given her, not even an exit. She just disappears and everybody talks about her she disappeared. This is also in real life when she began dating her now husband, who was the gorgeous guy at the bar that mouth is talking about. That's our boss talking about how jealous of Danielle's husband he was. And the entire episode when she has just disappeared from the face of the earth. In terms of Tree Hill, all anybody does is talk about her body. We do eight jokes in a row about why would he need ass he's with Rachel. It's over and over and over and over again. And then the way they made it okay is that when Brooke is the last person to say it, everyone goes assistance in unison and it's like it's just a joke. It's a sitcom joke. But when you really look at it, you see how it was all so insidious and a hand that we were all so I guess living in a time it's just cultural, living in a time when it was still acceptable to see that in the script, and none of us were like marching in there like how yeah, dare you Like that's just where you know we were. We had an understanding of the context of the ceiling of what we could do that yeah, you know, and at that age and just what it was like this we don't know what else could we do, and now obviously we know, but and by the way, it is part of the reason, because don't forget we would complain. So when when it's just Chris Keller saying bitches, or some guy who's a guest star for one episode who says something gross about her body in the jail and doesn't know the greater context of what we're dealing with, we did complain. And it's why they made the ass joke you and then you and then you and then you and then New and then all in unison, and it's like, well, if we take it out, we have no scene. They figured out ways to force us into these positions. And it's not that I'm look, I love filthy humor and I love you know it's a little bit, but when it's targeted at someone rather than simple humor exactly, it just doesn't feel good. And I don't like that that we were all used in this episode to just pile on our friend because she said to her grown up married boss, please stop hitting on me, and please stop touching me, and please stop trying to make out with me at bars I'm very uncomfortable, like that should just be the bare minimum, the bare minimum. My god, this was a nightmare period. Like I love this trip. I am that still wear the long sleeve grateful Dead T shirt that we wear when we arrive on Honey Grow. I have it. I wear it once a week. It is so thin right now, but it's because we we self edit. It's like, I'm gonna remember going to the hotel bar. Do you guys remember where we stayed. There was a road crew that was also being put up at the hotel because it was that cool two story motel you shaped with the courtyard in the middle. It was like, yep, it was like being at summer camp. And they had the hotel bar and it was the only place to go. And so we had all these like union you know, like road crew dudes hanging out in this bar. And then all of a sudden, tree Hill descends right and so I went with Jojo and I learned had a two step from a bunch of those dudes. But I like, I danced with those dudes. I had a great time. It was so fun. That's the stuff that's like nice to cling to because that trip is also when our boss assaulted me. And so it's like the duality that we're seeing in the scenes also was existing behind the scene, because it's like, how do I have a good time but also have this memory of just wanting a yack? You know? Yeah, I think you bring up a really important thing, and I gotta say, hats off to you. I didn't know if you were going to say that part, you know, on the show or not, but people assume that you've either had this like very intense moment, you know, you've been assaulted, like in an alley by a stranger and it was horrible. Most of what you know, statistically we all go through is something happens with someone you know. And you had this horrific moment with our boss that was so unacceptable, and it was inside of a container of many days of great memories. And that's I think where it's sticky and where we as a society need to get a little bit better about understanding that many things are true. At the same time, we have beautiful memories of Honeygrove, of those kids, of that part we went to to watch that episode of those amazing guys teaching everybody to country dance at the bar and you had like a car crash of an incident with a grown up that was supposed to be your mentor, and he was abusive and creepy to you. Yeah, and had just put you through filming an episode where you were exactly abused. Well. He also when we announced honey Grove, I don't know if you guys are aware like how we announced it, but remember we secretly flew into honey Grove and went to a school PEP rally, and so he decided that it was going to be just me and him, and so just me and him had to fly to honey Grove, just me and him, went and did the announcement, just me and him flew home together. The flight back from that is when he assaulted me. He assaulted me again in the car on the drive from Raleigh to Wilmington. He went straight to set and he told Daniel that he and I made out the whole time and it was fun, and he was trying to make her jealous, and so she confronted me about it and was like, what are you doing? And I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, And so then we had to go on this trip with him, and this was really like the last three months where my blood was boiling and I didn't know how to process it anymore. And you can see it in the episode. You can see that I'm not there, you know, like I'm doing all these scenes with Chad, but I look like and I kind of like, just don't I'm not connecting in any way because I was so in like I don't know, shell mode. And my reaction to that kind of stuff is to not let it ruin my good time. My rebellion is to be like, oh, you wanted to like assert your power, cool, cool, would have a great time and laugh extra hard with my friends. Yeah. Yeah, Well so my memory of Honeygrove is like partying with James Lafferty. I knew a party with Jay. I'm bardied with Laugherd and Honey. But by the way I think that is, I'm We're very similar in that way, and I think part of what breeds that response. You know, I've I've I've said it before on this podcast. We've all talked a lot about it. The response to mistreatment for me is usually, Oh, you think you're gonna with my integrity, watch this, I'm gonna be early. I'm gonna know my lines and everybody else's. I'm gonna like watch me, and when everybody goes out, I'm gonna have the best time. And you're gonna wonder how I could be having so much fun with you in the room. And I've come to realize it's a self protective thing. And I think when people wonder why that reaction comes into play. What I want to highlight, especially for you in this moment. This is season four, we're on six year contracts. Yeah, there is no you don't like it, you get to leave, No, you don't. They literally own you. Yeah, it's a legal battle to leave because they own you, and so you can't get away from it. You can't quit it, and it's hard. So you have to figure out how to cope inside of the place that you know you have to show up in every day. Yeah, I hope it's okay for me to ask this, But why didn't you ever report and when that happened? Oh? I did? I told all sorts of people. You did? I mean, honey, I told everybody and people saw it. What's interesting about the culture now? People Chad walked up and goes, what are you doing? Right? He said that to him. He said that to our boss in the bar, he watched our boss grabbed me in front of a lot of people. And you know, Chad didn't have anything to lose because he knew our boss hated him anyway. You know a lot of people had a lot to lose. Yeah, so you don't speak up when you have a lot to lose. But he felt so comfortable that that was not something that he had a problem with. You know, I can do whatever I want to her in public with her boyfriend's standing there at that time. You have to remember, like Desperate Housewives was the biggest show on TV and Nicolette Sheriton was going through hell because she'd been assaulted on set and they dragged her through the mud. That's right. It was that era, right, Like it just hadn't It didn't matter even you know the thing with her friends, the writer in the friend's room that you know you had talked about with HR meetings and if like people you are related to on set aren't acting alarmed, right, Like I was surrounded by men that I had relationships with, my brother, my boyfriend, my boyfriend's dad, my boyfriend's uncle, Like they were all like whatever they were all like, you're such a trooper, you know, Like, so that was the sentiment. No one was ever like, whoa, yeah, we got a handle that. It wasn't until I went to my next job. Yeah, and they culture you to handle it. But to be clear, because people want to say, oh, it was a different time ten years later, in the same way you were going through this on your set, this is what I was dealing with on my next set. It's pervasive. It wasn't then. It was all the time. Yeah, And you know, years later, in the same way that you were going through this stuff and our boss was doing this to you in front of people, it hit me that exactly what was happening to you at this time in North Carolina, that's what was happening to me years later. Yeah, in front of rooms full of men, and you know, my sweet a camera operator would pull me aside and go, I want to punch the cat of that guy. I've got to pay for my kids to go to school, and I can't. What do you need? And the people who were in charge, like your boyfriend's dad and uncle and all those people who said nothing, The people who were in charge that I went to said nothing when I reported my first assault on set, which was witnessed by people, to my boss, who had flown in from La. Again, you get put in a different city and they can get away with a lot. His response was, well, thank god he didn't try to rape you. I don't even know how to wrap my brain around that response. That's insane. It was so like, oh, so you're not allowed to say don't be so upset about this, but you're saying, don't be so upset about this. You got accosted by our boss in a bar full of our friends and they looked at the ground because they were afraid to confront him. And it's like, oh, it's a life lesson to learn it if this is season four, Yeah, we're twenty free years old. The life lesson for me is like, never ever ever expect someone else to take a risk for you. Just don't, because that way, if someone ever does, you can just be pleasantly surprised and you're not disappointed. But it's so sad. It's not though, like we're all grown ups. We all handle our own I handle my own ship, and everybody can't be willing to take a bullet for everything. Like there are things that you have to kind of strategize about in your life. And yeah, because because when everything came out during the Me Too movement, I felt a sense of like members of our crew who I had been friends with for a long time tiptoeing around me because they didn't know if they were supposed to like bring it up or apologize or not apologize, or make excuses or disclaimers and like just blanket statement to put out into the world. I don't expect anybody to have done anything because we were in a different era at that point, and there were a couple of people like your friend, Sophia, like Steve Allen was my guy. Steve Allen was a guy who pushed the dolly for our camera on our show and was the safest, warmest, kindest place for me and for anybody that went to the that One Tree Whole convention we did with Beth Crookham. They saw Steve Allen come into the lobby and me run across lobby and burst into tears, and everyone's like, why is Hillar crying on that guy? Because that's the guy that was my safe person special. But to have someone like a Steve or you know, like I had, will and seth like, I gotta say, I hear what you're saying. I remember having the reckoning on our show together of going like, oh, all our bosses, all those guys who work with our main boss, who talk about how we're family and all the things. We're only family until us needing help jeopardizes their money. And that was such an ugly realization to me. But when you say I don't expect anybody to do anything, I sure as do. I don't accept that. I don't accept it. Well, now you do, but back then, no, I am always has been the person who will get involved, who will jump in, who will try to shoulder something. And what I find unacceptable is that it's usually us. It's the women figuring out how to protect each other, how to not let somebody go in the room with the boss alone anymore, how to make sure we've got a side tex thread so that somebody can feel supported when they're being hit on inappropriately. And I'm so angry at all of these dudes in power who stand around and do nothing. And I have sympathy for everyone. You know, you hear that thing of like above the line, below the line. I hate that, but I get that so many people on cruise can't jeopardize their jobs because they can't jeopardize their families. But I am not okay with men that are our peers or more powerful than us, people like your boyfriend's dad, who was the second most powerful person on our set, who looked at the ground. And I say this with complexity because I loved that person for the nine years we did our show. I do too, and I know you guys did too. I still have a lot of affection for me too. A lot of the people that I'm mad at, and I do too, But I'm so mad. I'm mad at the other actors who don't do anything. I'm mad at the producers who don't do anything because we're not supposed to have to do this alone. Do you think it's a perfect metaphor that we're covered in bruises though for this honestly, yeah, like we're covered in bruises. We're just beaten down. That's how I felt, And it's the girls always, yeah, and it's tiring. Do you think that sometimes the men don't stand up because they think we want to fight our own battles and we don't want their home, They don't want their money to be jeopardized either. No, I believe that there's definitely a part of that sometimes, but I do wonder if there's some of it that's like should I like I don't want to. I don't want to offend, Like if she's got this, she's taking care of it, like I don't want to. The cool guy move is to ask the woman and say, are you uncomfortable? Want me to do something? Can I stand with you? Yeah? Right, it's so easy. It's a question. It's not hard to your point. Joy about the reporting and where we go, like running things all the way up to HR and then having the most powerful local boss in my situation scream at me and tell me that I was jeopardizing everybody's jobs because I couldn't quote unquote take a dick joke, and I was like, being assaulted at work is not a dick joke. I have sympathy for the reality that people are scared that you know, they're going to put a hole in the ship and then the ship is going to sink. But get over it and protect your people because this idea that you know looking at the ground is okay, it's not. And thank god, Hillary that you had that moment with Chad. He was already so at odds with our boss. That's it. He had nothing to lose, he was like, but by the way, he was protected as the numb number one on the call sheet. Yeah, he had the most power, so he could come up and shove our boss off you and get in a fight. And I'm glad that he did. I want everybody to follow that lead, you know. Yeah. I mean I'm sweating and am I yelling? I'm so upset. This is a sticky episode of all the episodes we've done. This one and the all night graduation party are where things got incredibly complicated, and you know, when we had to revisit all of this stuff for the article that came out about our show. Yeah, you know, there was a lot of time spent on this era. And so it's it's weird to watch because I can see myself being super super fake, and I don't know if the fans can see, like, I don't know if they're like, hey, Hilary seems pretty checked out of this whole scene. She waiting to have sex with Lucas forever. We sure wish she looked happier about it. I do not read you like that at all. But I know what you see because there are two and a half years of my life on a set like this where I look back and I can see, like I think I look like a dead person walking. Yeah, like you, I can see it on my face, and I don't know that other people can are certainly people who don't know you well. But it is a weird thing to see. It's like you're looking at another person. Yeah. I just wanted to be Haley in this episode because you got the cool outfit and you got the cool hair. That whole seventies vibe was so cute. You've got this safe relationship and like, yeah, all the things were worked by the way. You know what melted me. You two in the gazebo and you're saying, tell me a secret and I'm going risky. I was like, oh my god, tattooed on my body. Like I loved that risky. Oh it was so cute and after all that sweetness with you two at the problem, it was so nice to have a couple to just like feel joy for. Yeah, I loved them in this episode. I loved my haircut. I was real happy about that haircut. I loved this wardrobe. Shout out to Carol Cutshall, our wardrobe designer, costume designer. I mean, Chris Keller looked like a million bucks in every scene, brilliant costumes for him, all of us, like the seventies proms so fun. So the seventies problem was so cheat But truly, I took a picture on my phone of that frame of Chris Keller on the white bench in the purple and white suit with the balloons all around him, in the white shoes. He Tyler Hilton has never looked cooler. Oh my god, I was obsessed such good wardrobe. We built that gazebo and left it as a gift to the town, is true? That was like, yeah, that was part of our like deal with the town council. Wait, you guys, something really stuck out to me because Danielle was getting the ship bullied out of her in this episode, and then you've got Chris sitting on that bench looking so cool in his elvis suit. God, I hope Tyler kept that outfit. Not the point, seriously, but it was so interesting to me that two of our contest winners came by and we're like, oh, are you Chris, Kellner. I'm like, God, how old are you? And they make fun of him for being this old guy at a party trolling for younger girls, and I was like, hold on, this whole episode is about our older boss being mad at a younger girl who doesn't want to what happens too much? Do you know what I mean? I literally was like, but yeah, but wait, we're making fun of the creepy old guy. I'm confused. Was it like an interjection to try to prove he had a sense of humor or sometimes I don't know. I loved the scene you had with Chris. I thought that was so nice when you at the end when you walk up to him on the bus and he's like trying to get you in bed, and you're so clearly it was a beautiful delivery, which is also hard to do when you're when you're supposed to be playing drunk and yeah, having like a real life realization that is actually not it's it's real. It's not something that you're holliconating about in the in the moment or you know, feeling overemotional about. Yeah. I love that and the way that you guys just decided to have a nice chat all night and Brooke has this realization about her life and how she wants to change things. It was so nice. It was the firm no, Sophia, Yes, yeah, how good does know? And how good it felt? Yeah? And what I loved too is that, in a way we've seen through the season, Brooke and Nathan recognize their similar patterns and lean on each other. And I love that in realizing how easy it would be for her to just numb out, she says, I don't want to be that version anymore, and then kind of calls him out to do the same, to grow up a little. Yeah, it's so yeah. I loved it. It felt empowering and fun, and I liked being able to voice that there is so much growth available on the other side of that sort of vulnerability with yourself, like this would be easy. This is the thing I do and it's something I actually really don't like and it hurts me and I think I want to be different. That's so hard to admit something about yourself that way, and she does it. I got to do it as her in this way. That felt awesome. Yeah. I love those moments in life because they come around and you can take it when it comes like you can grab the bull by the horns and be like, here's this opportunity for me to acknowledge something I don't really want to acknowledge, but I'm going to do it, and then I'm going to keep moving forward with now this new information, because once you have new information, it changes everything. Or you can shove it down and wait till the next time it comes back around, and it's so much harder than next time, and it's even harder than time after that. So I love watching It's one of my favorite things. So I Broke is one of my favorite characters because just like ever in the whole history of the teen world that we you know has has been given out to us, because she's so honest all the time. It's just pure honesty, Like this is exactly how I feel, for better or for worse. It's I just love that she took it in the moment that it was there, she grabbed it and went okay, okay, it's time to change, let's do it. So when she calls Chris Keller out the next day, you said you were going to tell anybody so good, so good, well, and in a way like I don't know why I have this memory, but I remember when we were filming that scene, you and I in the gazebo and then he walks up and makes the threesome joke. I remember feeling like the energy under the scene for me was I warned you about this last night. You said you weren't going to do sex jokes today, and you did it. So now I'm gonna tell everybody you cried, you know, like like I built this little backstory that they had agreed that he was going to be better, and then the first thing out of his mouth is a sex thing and she just eviscerates him, and I loved it. It It made me giggle. I'd pay money to see that conversation, like her just being like Chris babe, Like, honestly, why do we always go there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, late night drinking tea on the bus. Oh my god, that's that's the improv skit I want to do with Tyler at the next convention. Yeah yeah, just be like, let's do Brooke and Chris talking about their feelings on the bus. Just see where it goes. Yeah. I love it. Well, Hillary, you know, I have to say I'm so sorry that all that happened to you and the guys. Wait, I want to, I know, give you a complement right now, because this is important you at the at the expense of you know, what you felt like was subpar work for you. As Sophia said, we didn't really see that that way, but you know what you feel when you're at work and you're trying to do your best and you're you know, you've always been somebody that looks out for everyone. You're like Mama Bear on the set and you're always trying to check and make sure everybody's okay. And you know, in a time when you were not okay and I don't know who was looking out for you. I know it wasn't me because I was tied up in my own drama and I don't know what. Maybe it was James and a Steve Allen, I guess. And you know, so if you were there, um, I wish I had been more involved. But I just I'm I'm impressed and I and I just I guess I wanted to say like thank you as a cast, a member and a crew member for somebody too. Is just you know, you were always looking out for everybody, and even at the events of your own work, in times when you were going through a lot of shit, and I'm just sorry that that all happened to you. And I know that you get a lot of times you get which you put out, and so I know there's a lot of good things that came out of that, holding that space for people, for you, and I hope that there's more. So anyway, that's all I was. Thank you, Okay, No, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean I this was a shy one. Yeah. Yeah, but Tyler and I sing whoa God? We sang um? Why was there Elvis and Johnny and June Cash. It was like we ended the night on a keyboard in the bar and singing Johnny Carter and June Cash that we got married in a fever song. Oh yeah, going to Jackson. Ye please tell me that's your karaoke song? Like my god to do some June Carter in karaoke? Did you guys? Didn't you karaoke in Honeygrove? I feel like I heard about it. It was karaoke and it was at the bar. It was just in the bar. That's it, you know. It's like hiding in the fun Yeah, is my safe space. And so James and I stole walkie talkies from the ad department and snuck around the whole hotel, spine on people and had a great time dream Tyler and I sang karaoke Jojo and I line danced with the road crew. I mean we hid in the bushes at one point. We were definitely weird. Does that man? Like, sometimes you're just going through the sh stuff, but then you have all these other amazing things happening that It's like, I love that balance. I'm so glad that all that fun stuff happened in honey Grove. Yeah, because it was like we all just got to take a big road trip together. How cool. It was fun. I wish we'd gotten to do more of it. Yeah, you know, you guys did it after I left. I have information. I'm googling Honeygrove right now. Davy Crockett discovered honey Grove and called it Honeygrove because of an abundance of honey filled trees in eighteen thirty six. Well hot damn kind of funny. Oh and something about coffins. It's a hardware store that sells coffins too. That's funny. That tracks well, if there's anyone in honey Grove that has pictures from our time there. Yes, they're still taking pictures in the gazebo, like this is still happening. It's so sweet, you guys take pictures or like dig up your old pictures from when we were there and please tag us in them. Because for all of the rough stuff, it was magical. It was and that is a credit to the people who were there. If we were dealing with people within our own little faction that we're weird, the townspeople and the kids of Honeygrove made it magical. Truly. We owe them so much excitement. They were so involved, they were so like just amazed and excited to watch and be a part of it and add great questions. And ma'am, we had such a ball meeting with all of you guys. Yeah, did anybody keep their outfit? Did anybody keep their seculd keep those gold boots though? Damn? Yeah, yeah, you should have those boots. You know what we should do, because now this exists, we should take a little screen grab of an episode or of a frame of the episode and put them in that reverse searching Google and see if we can get them for you. Those Yeah, let's get all right, great, where the hell out of this? Wait you guys, do we have any questions about this episode? Yeah, we got a fan question. Yeah. Caroline wants to know when the closing sea of an episode follows into the next one, such as Lucas having his heart attack, do you film those scenes on the same day or do you wait until filming commences for the next episode. Well, ladies, you two are the directors, tell her, Yeah, Usually you have the other director for the next episode on set at the same time, so you film it at the same time, unless there's a break, unless it's like season to season. I think then, well, I was going to say, I've only seen that happen once. What where we've had the director and we've been able to be like episode four raps at lunch and then episode five picks up. Usually you don't get that luxury because directors are coming from other shows. They're prepping. The way we would pull that off by this point, like season four or five on our show is that so often we would have recurring directors, So like if Greg Prange was directing and then our boss was directing, they would coordinate that. But if we had visiting directors, which is what most shows do. And you know what is more common. Oh man, it would be so rough to like finish a cliffhanger and then eight days later have somebody new come in and like there's just somebody with a computer being like, this is the frame. You have to match this frame. I don't remember that, that's so funny. I really just remember having a guest director come in and they would like overlap the day if it was maybe if it's like a giant stunt is what I'm thinking, you know, like, hey, getting hit by a car, that one was an overlap. So I remember having to direct because that requires like a street closure and a stunt team and a drive right right, But that's rare, you mean, it was expensive, just an actor having to match. They're like, it's an actor. Make them do it there. They're like, oh, you did this three weeks ago. You need to cry exactly the same way today. But if but if they hit to pull a permit, they're going to get both of those directors on set at the same time, and they would they would always have like it was Paul or Greg. It was always one of our local people that just lived there. Anyway. The second director exactly, yeah, exactly, easy, easy, guys, should we spin a wheel? Let's hey honorable mentioned to Um Brooks showing us how to wrap a curl around a barrel in this episode instead of shamping it in and rolling it, because that's what everybody was doing at the time, and it was like Sophia always ahead of the curves. She's like, I'm gonna show you all. What what's up. I'm like, no, no, don't fry your ends, baby, So good. Okay, somebody read it? What's our wheel? Now? We just have an air wrap? But we didn't have that then? Oh? Um, is this for me? Who's the most likely to eat pizza for breakfast? Someone spied on me? Oh my god? Is that all of us? I mean, I don't eat breakfast. I drink coffee. Uh man, So it's definitely not me. It's you and I though. Yeah, if it's around, I'm gonna eat it. If it's in the fridge, I don't care what time it is. I think it's like a childhood trigger, Like I love cold pizza for breakfast because I would do it all the time when I was a kid. If my parents ordered pizza the night before, I'd wake up and just like cal pizza man as I walk onto the bus. Yeah, and now as an adult, I still love cold pizza. But if I'm in the mood to be fancy, I'm like, let me put the pizza in the air fryer and make an egg and then we put an egg on. So nice. Oh that's so good. Yeah, I've never experienced. I will make you breakfast pizza. It's delicious. Get ready like an over medium egg. Oh well, now the broken peyton her roommates, you can make her egg pizza. Okay, Yeah, what's happening in the next episode. It's season four, episode eighteen, the Runaway. Oh, I bet they find Abby and like everything's gonna start hitting the fan. Okay, Yeah, I'm so sad for us that we're gonna soon have to find out what Dan did because everyone's gonna sob and it's gonna be depressing. Eron, damn it. I will say, we all know how hard it is sometimes to stand up when terrible things are happening around you. What has saved us, I think, is that we had each other find one other person and like go to bat for them and let them go to bat for you, Because very often if somebody. If the first person says something, other people feel much more secure to get in line and add to that chorus. And so you know, something that you all talk to us a lot about is loving our friendships and the way we show up for each other. And we have learned that in the best of times and in the literal worst of times, like we talked about in this episode. You know things that happened to many of us during filming of this show and even years later. We have consistently brought a rallying cry and that can really make all the difference. So if you can do that for somebody, we highly recommend it. And we love you all right you guys, thanks for bearing with us on this really complicated episode. Who we love you, honey girl. Hi guys, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens oth or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com. See you next time. We all about that high school drama Girl, Drama Girl, all about them high school queens Forever. We'll take you for a ride at our comic girl Cheering for the Right teen drama queens drawl up girl fashion, but your tough girl. You could sit with us. Girl drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens

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