There was an actual brawl in this episode! As the Queens discuss, they reminisce about some of their own scrappy moments.
Either you love him or you hate him...now, does that make Dan the perfect Mayoral Candidate?!
The Queens are fascinated as they watch it all back now considering they are closer in age to the parents! And, in an unexpected twist certain storylines are more believable NOW!
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First of all, you don't know me. We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl Cheering for the drama Queens Girl Fashion. But you're tough, girl, you can sit with us. Girl Drama Queens, n Queen's DRAWNA Queen's Drama Drawn, MC Queen's Drama Queens. Welcome, Welcome Back at Season three, episode five, A Multitude of Casualties Air date November two, two thousand five. Tom Wright was back directing him so much love him. I thought there was a good writing in this episode. To Arlie Fleming Jr. Wrote, wrote this one um. The synopsis here is basketball season starts at tree Hill High with a disastrous midnight pep rally, which neither of us ever did I know a pep rally. I can move around a pep rally blindfolded. This was I know you do. Everyone's throwing punches. It goes crazy. Brooke is threatened by a new girl Rachel and the cheer squad our beloved Danil Harris accles and uh Nathan puts Hayley to the test. He just openly tells her I'm testing you uh, and forces her to work with Chris Keller, which is really just our excuse to get Tyler back on the show. Him. Oh, he's so good. And then Whitey, who is super kind of nice and cheery this whole episode, all of a sudden, has a big blowout when he has to make a decision about forcing Nathan and Lucas to work together again. And then Dan gets a surprising opponent running against him for mayor. Lots happening, but we don't talk about Peyton in this in the synopsis. I don't know why, because this was my favorite part of the whole episode, was the Peyton storyline. Um, before we get into any of it, should we tell people about what we've been cooking up? Yeah, let's do you know what. I think the idea came to us kind of during the Dare Night episode because we love a scavenger hunt, like we literally like I did that for my birthday. It was so much fun. I had all my friends cut we we all met in one place. Everybody got a little booklet with a glue stick and a Polaroid camera and then they got a list and they had to go. We all had to go out on the town. We had like an hour and a half and you had to go find all these things in the street and random things, you know, roll the toilet paper from a restaurant, bottle caps from my bar, a chalk outline on the street, you know, and you had to take a polar ride of your team with the thing and then paste it into the book, and whoever made it first, you know, got the prize. I remember like kissing a dude because he had a scavenger Hunt written it out on his T shirt. It was his like bachelor party, and it was like, you have to kiss a strange blond woman. And I was like, I'm a strange blond woman. It's I'll do it. Yeah, you know, it's just it's an excuse to goof around and have some fun. And so we wanted to create a cyber scavenger hunt for our fans because we really have been so lucky that so many of you spend your week with us, um and we've got some It's it's this is a big payoff to This is not just like, oh it's cute, like y'all are going to freak out. It's not just a T shirt. Joy and tell them what they're gonna win. Here's what you're gonna win. We're gonna explain the rules of the game in a minute. But what you're gonna win, let's get to that with this. Okay, you get a zoom with the Drama Queens. That's I think that's gonna be really fun. Then, Um, sorry, my dog is drinking out of the water bowl right now. It's the loudest thing in the world. Are you good? Heidi like banging her metal collar against the thing. Um, you're gonna win a zoom with the Drama Queens, So all three of us are gonna sit and have a chat with you. You're gonna win a trip, a trip to North Carolina to Wilmington's North Carolina, which includes Hillary Tom What's what's in it? Baby? It is domestic round trip airfare. H Let's see what else do we got here for the what's for a winner and one guest for the winner and one guest? Hold on, I'm zooming this up. We got a whole list, folks. All right, So you're gonna get domestic round trip airfare for the winner and a guest. You were going to get two nights in a hotel and a five dollar visa gift card. Um, it's just some spend in cash for that river walk, so you can pretend you're Nathan and Haley sitting there by the Fair River. Maybe we'll try and find a little bracelet to throw in there for you do. It's so exciting. We've been working on this for a while because we wanted to make it really special for you guys. We wanted you to feel everything that we felt when we were back there in Wilmington's and just still experienced and experienced the town the way that it is, um with with all of the history that we walked through all those years ago, and um, we want you to be a part of that. So here's how we've structured this so that you can win this trip and this zoom. You're going to follow the instructions on Drama Queens O t H on Instagram. So it's at Drama Queens O t H, which hopefully you're already following. If you're not, right now, that's right now is your time. We're gonna post ten questions that only true drama queens would know. Explain a little bit about that. Yeah, So here's the deal. Everybody knows all the one Tree Hill trivia on the Internet. It's out there. There's like Wikipedia pages about who kissed who and this and that. We wanted to really reward our listeners and so these ten questions are things that you would only know if you have listened to our episodes. We have carefully crafted these, So that's the scavenger hunt. Um. If you haven't caught up on all your episodes, now would be a great time to do it, um, because yeah, these are all the kind of behind the scenes questions that we've had a lot of fun digging into. And yeah, the harder the better. Get hard. So what you're gonna do is, once you know the answers to those questions, you're gonna email drama Queens at i heeart Radio dot com. Sup super easy Drama Queens at i heeart Radio dot com, or you can d m s at Drama Queens o th h and put your answers to the questions right on in there. And for anyone who answers all ten questions correctly, you will automatically get placed in a drawing. It's just a it's a standard raffle. We're gonna stick your name in there and one person is going to be chosen one winner at random, and you will get a zoom with the Drama Queens and a trip to Wilmington, North Carolina to see where it all began. Well well probably also like tell them where to go in the zoom, Like we should zoom before they go on the trip so we can be like go here, go here, go here. Oh yeah, we have to, we have to. Or while they're they're oh, that's good too, that's fun too. Yeah, we're gonna have lots of good advice for you guys. It's to be so fun. I can't wait to see who wins this because we do have some really loyal fans that were on a first name basis with now and I feel like they're like, DIBs, DIBs, yep, I'm coming forward, get on over there and check it out. Awesome, can't wait. Awesome, Awesome, And thank you to my Heart for helping us set that up. They've been really cool about, you know, letting us connect with our fans in this way. Um. So yeah, okay, this episode bananas joy Bananas. Yeah. I mean it wasn't as big as the last episode it felt like it, but but I did like that they went back in time. Have we done that yet on this show? I think we, like the three days before something didn't have every I mean we had another. We went from having a huge party last episode to a huge pep rally this episode. It's like there're lots of extras continually trying to one up themselves. I remember our crew getting fatigue at this point, just being like, bro, can we just have a couple like quiet episodes where people just like talk and cry? What happened to people making moody faces and just like crying? Can we do more of that? Please? You know, we're going to teach you a dance routine. Not'll be easy. Haley becomes a cheerleader. God, I love it. I love it. Haley should have always been a cheerleader. Yeah. I like that she kind of finds her way into it begrudgingly. Um. I looked like I was eleven years old in that cheer costumes, standing up against the wall behind like that. You call it a cheer costume. What's it called? It's a uniform? Joy? Oh? Sorry, yeah, it's a sport. Okay. You're like, we went to cheer rehearsal. What are the basketball auditions? That's happening. Yeah, um no, I thought there kids the whole pushback that Haley had, that scene that you and Sophia had in the apartment where she is so pleased with herself that she came up with this genius plan and you're just like, yeah, you guys, good pair. Yeah, it was fun. It was really nice to see that chemistry happened. I like that they leaned into that this season because you and I got some real time in the first season and then they had to break us up idiot together totally. Uh, but yeah we did, And I like, I like where Brooks at right now, and I think it's really fun. She was having a lot of fun with her character. Sophia was having a lot of fun with her character in this episode, so much pouting and petulant stomping around and you know, a bed of her own making that she's had to lie in. Well, her writing is so good in this what does she say that one time? She goes, oh, great, we solved your Riddle's let's get back to mine. Yeah, fantastic, We've solved your riddle. Um no, the writing for book is really good. They zoned in on her. Yeah, they figured out how good she is at comedy and they're like, oh, well, let's let's right to that because we need more of that on the show for sure. Thank god. Yeah, well this midnight pep rally she is. You know, there's like two different authoritative groups running this pep rally. Got Nathan on his like power spree being I'm a captain. I'm captain captain, and then Brooke is like I'm captain and they're kind of running these parallel It was fun. Yeah, these like aggressive captain maneuvers, which is as someone who's been a captain, that is not how you run your ship. Who his Oh, how do you do it? How to talk to me about being a cheer captain because you are a natural leader. Hillary, Well, I wasn't cheer captain senior year. That was Ashley Dawston and Nanika King and they were so good. But I was cheer captain's sophomore year for jp UM. I got too dark as I got older, Like I I was Peyton Sawyer. I had a megaphone with like a picture of Charles Manson on it and like all these like super angsty like quotes. I'm mad, but I'm also here in these bloomers, so call it what it is. Um, yeah, you don't do that. There was a girl who was a year older than me, who was a really awful captain like that, and and nobody liked her. And as this is a terrible story, we became grown ups and she went and she interviewed for a job at one of my friends offices, and she was just like, we can't hire her. She's a terrible cheer captain. Oh my god, he comes back to haunt you. Man. Don't be a dick. That's just true. It's life. Um No, I've never heard of this midnight pep rally things. Midnight mass, I know, but midnight pep rally. You can get people to show up at church at midnight, but not a pep rally. That seems backwards somehow. Well, and it's only it's Christmas eve joy, people only a church on Christmas. Even that's true for midnight mass. Yeah, if anybody out there did have midnight pep rallies, tell us, because I went to a huge football school and it was like, I don't know, you didn't want kids out roaming the town at one o'clock in the morning. That seems weird. That seems so weird, but that's our kind of our m oh, isn't it that they're all out at trick, at these like lock in parties and at these you know parties where there's alcohol, and parents just seemed to be totally fine with their kids going to this club that's run by a high school girl where there's liquor and crazy bands. Because the liquor or was it just like you know, soda pop. Do we remember if that was actual liquor behind the bar or if they replaced Well I knew that, like they had bartenders there, but then on these all ages nights, maybe they would lock it up. No, I mean in real life. Oh, I mean in real life, I had a water bottle full of liquor, So I have no idea what was going on behind the box. I didn't have to go behind the bar, I know, I don't know. I feel like there were some of the bottles were all sealed up, but some of them were open, and I feel like at some point we got in there and tried to discover which ones were real and which ones weren't. Somebody had to have filled some up with real stuff. You know. The crew had definitely had some long days and they were like, somebody go find the Jack Daniels. That's like the fourth one on the right, the props department or can we call it the art department please? Um? Yeah? Did you have pepper rallies at your high school? We did? Um? I think I went to a few, although our our high school was we did do basketball, but we were bigger and soccer. Yeah. I went to Eastern Eastern Christian e C High in North Hamleton, New Jersey. What up New Jersey? And uh, they were big. It was a big, big soccer town. So we did a lot of those. And I did go to a lot of the soccer games I was. I didn't go to many of the basketball games EC Eagles. I was a cheerleader for a semester, Yes, for which sport? I think he was basketball. I don't know why I didn't. I just couldn't. I didn't care. I think that's what it was. Had a hard time appreciate you so much. Joy Like, hey, guys, you're jumping up and down. Is it helping? Is it really helping? Are the boys gonna they're going to shoot more baskets because you're jumping open down. I feel you don't I get it. Yeah, I guess I thought my time would just be better spent somewhere else. I was like, I'm in this skirt and we're and I'm learning how to throw my arms in these weird positions, and it's not I don't know, it wasn't for me. I mean, obviously a lot of people really love it and they're they're great for pep. They get the crowd excited. I'm never I've never been one of those people that's like, good morning. I said good morning, just can't post it on social media the other day how much you hate the good morning? Well, Dan Scott is very much the guy in this episode who's like I said good morning at this time. He is so in. This was a brilliant move by the writers, by the way, what to put Dan in the position of running for mayor. I see, it's such a perfect spot for Paul. It's applicable. I mean, I I know people that run for local office and they're not I guess when I was a kid, I thought it was like, I don't know kind of untouchable people that would run for these offices. And now that I'm a grown up, I'm like, no, that's just that dude from down the street. Like they're not different from us, they're just you know, they've got time on their hands. Yeah, it's just Karen that runs a campaign. So it's just kidding. Yeah, the whole Like you pointed this out, you're like, literally every character in our show hates Dan, but somehow the whole town loves him. Yeah. I don't know how that works. It's strange. Also, as someone who has been to a lot of pep rallies, like a lot, I've never seen a parent from them, Like where's the principle? That's usually the person that's like on the microphone and maybe you let a parent talk for two seconds. But I guess Whitey was the one who is sort of leading the frame. But it should have been a kid. I mean that is that's right. It's like the kids kind of run the pep rally. That's what's exciting about it. It's so weird to see like this grown up who's literally at the school every single day, like Dan lives at the school or in the Logistically, I cannot figure this out. Okay, So yes, I get that. The whole thing about people who are abusive is that often they're they're pillars in the community. Everyone loves them, and it's just in their home, their monsters that happens. I know that's real, um, And I've experienced some of that in my life, so I know firsthand that it's real. However, Dan is not just abusive to the like four or five people in his little circle. I mean, you don't get to be that kind of a meglomaniac unless you're screwing people over left and right. He runs a dealership, you know, he's in dirty deals with everybody all the time, screwing people. He walked around looking for ways to screw people over. So how does he not, in a small town like that, have a terrible reputation? Like how I don't understand anybody who went to high school with him knows, like, oh yeah, Danny, he's a dick. Like I know the kids I went to high school with that were dicks and I would never vote for them. May And he's still in the town that he went to the high school where he went to high school. Oh yeah, yeah, where are all like the kids that he picked on in high school or that damn like the girls that he like, you know, cheated on Karen with all that kind of I know now that we're older and enjoying the adult storylines more, that's the kind of stuff I wish we would have seen that would have been really fun. Listen, the fact that Dan had to campaign at all is weird. If he's running unopposed, but he's still having to do this whole like, these are the billboards, this is my jersey getting retired. Here are my pamphlets and my buttons? Like what kind of door campaign? Just blowing money? If he's on a post. This was not thought through as well as it should have been. No one in our writer's room ran for local office ever, know you know what they did think through about this war of the roses between him and Deb. I'm loving this story like I wanted to go on forever and ever. I'm obsessed. So this is the episode where Dan puts Deb's toothbrush in the toilet and then she shows up with her whiskey and her lingerie at the morning meeting for mayor with the who were the pillars? Financiers? The financiers, Oh my got and Barbara is so brilliant. She's so funny, but she's also so hot. Like a great opportunity to just show off how smoking not she is. Can you see my ass in this? Just so cute, so likable? Yeah, I and I, like, you know, we were asking the last episode, is Deb going to sabotage his campaign? You know? And so it's great to see in this episode that little sidebar conversation that she had with Karen where she's like, I can make it messy for him. I have some ideas. Let's do that. Okay, it's the most fun we should have. Would be really fun to have Barbara back to talk about doing this stuff, because this is when she got really got into the fun part of her work. Well, and also so if she's I'm trying to think here just storyline wise, because she went from being real like square and like serious and we're watching the slippery slope where like party deb comes out she's already going to rehab for pills. Yeah, which we're not party pills. Those were down her pills. Those were to like put her to sleep. Now she's like using the alcohol as a way to get it dan and just kind of make a scene until it's not funny anymore. Like, at what point does it go from being like Oh, this is something I'm doing to mess with you too. Oh, oh, now I'm a mess. I know. She's always seemed to have it all together, and that's probably I think why Dan married her, right, it was I could see a successful future with this woman. She's gonna she's gonna be the wind beneath my wings and she's go get her. Yeah, she's going to carry me into all the places I need to go. And her dad had money and so Deb sort of always had it together. So it's been fun watching her unravel a bit. Um, But also, yeah, that's there's a there's a painful element of that too. There's it's it's hard to see im s hard to see someone go through that where they don't know the don't know really where they belong anymore, and he's been gaslighting her their entire marriage. So it's she's kind of figuring out who she is again for the first time probably since high school or college. Well, it's fun too, Like you said, watch this back as an adult and be closer in age to the adults on the show than the kids. Um, And I think when we originally did this, I didn't really buy into the whole like Deb getting wild storyline. I didn't either. When we were filming it, I was like, this is what mother would do that, And I'm gonna tell you what mother would do that us us Mother's joy awesome. Y'all ain't seen nothing to you. See Joy and I out at a French night club or just making poor choices somewhere. We joke about making poor choices, but God bless them, we have fun. Um. Yeah, I get it now because it's like, you're still young, You've got all these responsibilities, but inside we all still feel like fifteen sixteen years old. That's what blows me away about getting older. I really always it's so weird to see. Was this in the episode last week that we watched. Somebody said, oh, oh it was about Tommy Lee, and Sophia said it. She said, he's he's like forty and he looks like that. Yeah, it was so funny, but it really and we laughed about it when we were watching it, but it's just true. It's still hurt. I was like, oh God, now that I'm getting older, I'm getting older and I look at kids and I see they're so young. And I remember thinking about people who are our age and like they're so old and they've got it all together and there and you know if they just they like they had all the answers, We certainly don't know, guys were I'm a child inside. I still feel like a kid. Hence the reason, especially around boys like that doesn't go away either. Like a cute boy starts talking to me, I'm like, okay, mr even know how to function. I'm like sixteen all over again. Every time. Um, you seem to handle yourself very well with Chris Keller in this episode, you were like, oh not today. Haley is good at it. Haley knows what's up. What do you think it's like the crux of that whole thing. Do you really think that Nathan thinks he can trust Haley or is he just trying to create and like I got you moment. I think he is trying to figure out if he can trust her and and this is his weird high school way of doing it. I mean, that's what I keep remembering when I watched the show. We have to remember their high schoolers. Peyton. Peyton's massive up and down, up and down, up and down with Ellie. You know, she walks in and sees the article and suddenly it's like it's all for exploding itself for nothing. I hate you. Don't ever talk to me a goad you know. An hour later, I'm sorry, sorry, but that's that's high school. So I think that's what Nathan is doing. I think he's just trying to figure it out. I don't know. Do you think it's a reasonable way of going about finding out if you can trust someone or not? It certainly seems efficient. It's like walking into traffic, you know what I mean. Like it is, rather than be passive aggressive, it feels aggressive aggressive, Like you know, one, let's just strip all the bullsht away. If you can work with him and you don't have feelings for him, fantastic, show me if you do have feelings for him. I think the thing that's complicated as an adult is that we know that attraction and relationships are not some magic spell where you're all the attracted to one person and you're only in love with you know, Like, being in a monogamous relationship is a choice, and you will find eight billion other people in the world attractive, But your choice is to be with the person you're with and to honor them and respect them, and so I think it's reasonable that Haley can still think Chris Keller is like charming because he is. He's yeah, of course so fun. Even Nathan was trying not to like him on the basketball court. He had a little smirk when Chris walked away. It's like, see, he's likable. I think that's the redemption. It's not that Haley has to prove herself with Chris Keller. It's that Nathan has to spend some time with him and be like, you know what, I get it, I get it. This is it's not romantic, but it's this is fine as opposed to all the serious grown up that we've been doing. This dude represents levity and you know, and Nathan kind of needs a pal right now too, which just seems like this is maybe gonna happen, like somehow Chris is going to endear himself because I feel like eventually that's where it goes. Yeah, exactly. Nathan definitely doesn't really have a friend right now. Uh, what's going on with him in Lucas? Why why is he being such a He's very well, I should say, he's just very instigate and instigative, and that's not the right word he's instigating things on the captain. On the captain. Um, yeah is it? It's so weird because he did all this work to not be a jerk, and he's been the star player on the team for a couple of years now, so being captain's senior year isn't like a big deal. Like he went to High Flyers, of course he's going to be the captain. Yeah, but Lucas, Lucas was with him the whole time Haley was gone. They were before they went to the racetrack. Lucas was there to help him get through that. They became good friends, they were living together. So it just seems strange just because I mean, he's Nathan still hates Dan, So I just it feels a little out of left field that just because Lucas was looking into uh Dan's past and it's kind of setting him up with Andy and all that, that's suddenly Nathan's like, I hate you. I don't get it. That's I feel like I missed something in the episodes. I wasn't here for, like, like did they what they do? Um? It seems like Lucas is always defending Haley, you know, Like that's how the episode opens was like, you be nice to your wife, telling you to be nice to her White he says it best. I mean, he says to Dan at the beginning of the episode, damn your sperm, Danny, when the boys coming from plane out, maybe they are just like genetically predisposed to turmoil. God, those poor boys. Yeah, he really put him through it. Um Yeah, Dan running for mayors. But I love this Karen coming back and saving the day. This is exciting. You know what, Moira needed a storyline too. She wasn't doing anything. She hasn't been doing anything for a while. Well because they didn't want to pay any of her romantic interests, like Craig's gone, Larry, Larry's off busy with Ellie Now, damn, let's talk about that, because that was my favorite storyline. Everything else in the episode was interconnected except the Peyton and Ellie stuff, and that felt that felt kind of ground in the way that you were saying the last episode Hayley's grounded nous storyline with well, okay, I was going on at the party. I felt the same way about Peyton and Ellie. In this episode. You had some really nice work. It was. It was really just subtle and and again grounded and and gott Cheryl was so good too. Even the moment where she's on the m r I table and going about to go into the miss the Cats game machine, which we were talking about, that was like ten seconds a shot of you know, they did a close up of her face and she was upset, and then they did the wide shot of her going into the tunnel. Um. But they had to drive over there with all the trucks, go into the hospital, set the trucks up because before we had the hospital set I believe well, I mean, we wouldn't have had all this m RI I equipment. There's no way that we would have had this. So they had to set all that up, get her into a thing, you know, then they had to do this ship close up shot of her face, then the wide shot. It's so funny how that probably took like five hours all and all, but you know, for ten seconds, it's amazing. Oh yeah, I mean it's those little parts of the show where you're like, do we really need this right? Like this is going to eat up a third of a day, if not half of a day of filming. Do we really absolutely need this ten seconds shot? And we did I think so too, Yes, because someone telling you they have cancer is one thing, right, um, And this is like in anything in storytelling, Saying it okay, fine, showing it is entirely different because without saying a word, we felt her fear, We felt the cheat that she's such a young woman on this table, you know, and and the fact that she's going through this medical treatment in a town that she doesn't live in. She's been living in a motel just to be close to this kid. She's not with her family. I don't know where else. Yeah, I don't know where she's supposed to be from. But she references her parents in this episode. She's like, my parents were hippies. You know. I wish Pete would have followed up because those are her grandparents. I know you think she wants more details, but I did like this. I really liked you guys as interaction in this and H had more hospital stuff. Are we're just in the somebody's always in the hospital on our show. You know. It really was a missed opportunity that none of us became a doctor, because that would have been the spin off. Why didn't anybody become a nurse or nobody become a nurse or a doctor, a scientist or something. It's the one profession that we didn't do. We had like clothing designers and sportscasters and like musicians and writer you know what. That's what it was. It was all kind of um like self aggrandizing, Like nobody went into service, you know everyone just like I want to work a spotlight job. I don't want to help anybody. That's what it is. That's the ego behind all of it. Uh, we should have had somebody who would have become a doctor, not me. Peyton's like not hospitals. Yeah, hate them. Lucas would have been a good doctor because that would have been really I mean not that we need like another can't really spin off a show off of main character. You have to fad have a side character who came in. It's probably like like one of the River court boys, like Fergie or John or skills nurse skills, nurse skills. He could have been. I would feel confident if a nurse came in, like if I needed stitches and I was like, Hi, I'm Hillary and they're like I'm skills, great, show me up, fix me you I want you? Yeah? Okay, Well We're gonna have to talk to Antone about that. That's gonna be fun. That's that's a medical show. I want to see skills, nurse skills, nurse skills. Okay, So speaking of like new characters and side characters, we got a whopper this episode. Rachel was introduced last week but didn't really have a lot to do. She was just kind of like a seed that was being planted. We got the full Rachel this episode. Oh, it was glorious her. Yeah, I did, um didn't. I didn't love the way that clearly she was being treated by by the her bosses. I don't know what are we saying by the writers. Yeah, I mean I think we can look at this episode because there's you and I noticed a couple of questionable things in this episode. We have to look at this episode the lens of two thousand five, right, yeah, and and through the lens of a lot of men in positions of power, and when you're doing your you're I don't know, checking you know the boxes? Is this okay? Is this green light? Is this okay? Is this green light? There? Clearly wasn't a woman here that was like, you know what the fat jokes are bad, especially because you're directing them at a girl who's a size too size zero. Yeah, for sure, it's absurd, But then it plants the seed in every girl's head at home. If I'm Sophia size or bigger, I'm shubby. Now. It was so wildly irresponsible and off and so off and so irresponsible. Boys thought it was funny, man, They were like, this is how girls talk to each other. Well that and the punching and slapping, and I mean it was just so so silly. It's also it's not at all. Have you been in a fight. I've been. No, I've only been close to a fight when I was in like the fifth grade. Did I ever tell you about this? No? I want to hear it. In the fifth grade, and there was this girl. There was this girl named Amanda. I don't know where last name was, but she she was she was a big, tall girl, and she was kind of mean and grouchy and she just didn't like me. She picked on me all all the time. And I used to wear hats to school, a little bowler hat and like cute hats with like a sunflower on it. Like I feel like completely, I feel like maybe I've told this story before and I can't remember. No, I don't know anyway a man and I used to like bracelets and anyway, So Amanda walks up to me in the hallway one day. I have no idea why she was mad at me, but true to exactly what you said, Hilary, we were watching the episode and you said girls don't punch each other, they pull hair, And this is what she did. She walks up to me in the hallway and grabs my hair and yanks my head back. So I'm forced to stare kind of up at her, and she's like yelling at me about something in my face and you know, kind of throws my head back and lets me go. And oh no, that I hit her in the face and then she let me go. That's what it was, I coming back. Yeah, yeah, I did. So I reached up. She was a hold of my friend. That was the only I could get it. Let her to get go. But it wasn't like a full it wasn't like a Dynasty slap or a Dallas slap. It's just like popum like it's just a pop like get off of me, you know. And then she did. And then later we went out there was later on in the day and she was like I'm gonna fight you, blah blah bah and up in my face. And I just was like, oh fine, I would rather get hit and get in trouble and fight this girl then continue on with this bullying day after day. So I took off my hat, I handed to my friend, I pushed up my sleeves, took all my bracelets off and my necklaces and I put them all on the hat. And I was like, okay, let's go. And I was fully ready, fully ready to get hit and to hit her back. And I was like in and then she just looked looked up and down at me and was like whatever and then walked away. And then she never bothered me again. So let that be a lesson to you, I guess be willing to fight. I don't know, yeah, yeah, I mean I've been in a I've been on a couple of scraps, not that I'm especially not as like a mother. I'm like, if my kid came home I was like I was in a fight, I would be like, what what what I've got? The meanwhile, you know, it's like a kid that grew up in the eighties and nineties. I'm like, oh yeah all the time. Um wait, what tell me what were the circumstances. You can be as specific as you want or non specific, but how do how does I don't know a lot of girls that have gotten in fights. I mean, how does that happen? I was attacked by a boy in elementary school. I was to actually I got like beat by a boy. Um what happened? You know? I think he had some problems and I just became a target. Um. And he would scream in my ear and so he would just screech in my ear, kind of like in Dumb and Dumber. That sounds like you want to hear the most annoyance sound in the world. He was just screech. So I elbowed him one day and I was like, don't scream in my ear. And then he decided to follow me home and beat me on like the walk home with like a mailbox. And I mean it was really bad. Um wait, how did he get he did? He pluck it out of the ground, was lying on its side. It was it was joy. It was insane, but it also made me. You know, once you get over that hump of being afraid of something like that you know once you're once you have a mailbox thrown atche, who cares? Um? And so did your brothers kicks? No, my brothers were like in third grade, they were little no no. But then like in high school, there were a couple of confrontations like I've been shoved by a boy in high school in front of the whole tenth grade and like a lot of mail aggression. Um. They were like fights that would come rolling down the hallway and I would somehow get tangled up in them, and you know, just like it's like sounds like the pep rally rooms. Why are we on top of each other? It's like a tumbleweed coming down senior Court and you're just like, I don't know, there's arms and legs everywhere and so um. I think the most accurate fight that we had in the show was with me and Nikki where we're just pulling each other's hair because that's what you do, you pull hair. You remember Nan, I'm not going to say his name, but I had a guy grabbed me at a party and I need him in the balls and it was like I remember thinking in the moment, I was like, this is like something out of a movie. He was on a football team. He knows who he is. Um, yeah, it was just a lot. I mean, I didn't really think about it. A lot a lot of male aggression growing up as a as like a chick. But yeah, I had a kid. I had a boy shoved me up against a chain link fence with a baseball bat up against my and we both got suspended. How did you get suspended because I was involved? Cool story? You know what I mean? Like, just right off? It takes me so mad. I Um. I thankfully have a very passive sweet son who anytime someone's an aggressler with him, he's always like, I think they have a bad home life. And I'm like, yeah, probably, you know, but that's good. Good on you and Jeff as parents for teaching him that, because not every kid understands that. No, sometimes you just want to you know about somebody. Um, I like that in our tumble weed fight in this pep rally, none of the boys hit us cheerleaders. We were just kind of quarantine, two separate piles. Who were you fighting? Were you fighting anyone? I don't remember this. I think I was trying to pull people off of each other. That seems like the most Haley thing to do, but I couldn't spot me in the pile. Yeah. I remember tom Wright being like, you're like big and like blonde, and you look like big bird over here because you're just kind of like hovering, So I need you to do something. Can you fight the mascot? And I was like, I would love to fight the mouse because I just know, well Brooke in um, Brooke and Rachel fighting, and like Peyton would naturally be like pulling Rachel off of Brook and like like yes, siding with Brooke and they're like, well, we can't have you do that. Um, we need you distracted over here, go jump on top of this bird. Okay, Peyton then the bird fighting. But I feel like there's a T shirt in there somewhere, probably one can hope. Um, okay. So the introduction of Rachel, if you're Brooke, do you hate her right away? Like like, what do you think is behind that besides just the really kind of surface. Yeah. We got to ask Sophia about this next time, because she did start it. Brooke started it. I mean, Rachel just walked in and she was super nice, like, hey, sorry, I'm late. Is this still where we're at and Brooke just didn't like her because of the night before at the masquerade party, because she was dancing with Lucas and Rachel even said, sorry, was that your boyfriend? I mean it was a little bit she was like a little sly about it, but she did say like, oh sorry. She asked at the party too, she was like, are you a couple? And Brooks says no, And then she asks again is that your boyfriend? And Brooks like no, I don't know how many times you have to ask a chick if that's your boyfriend before you like, I'm the new girl. I'm gonna kiss whoever I want. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I agree. I don't. I don't. I don't know Brooks started it. So I'm kind of like, I think I don't like that Rachel's enjoying getting getting under brook skin. I mean that's annoying, but uh no, I think it's just that now that's kind of what people. I guess that's a high school thing to do, right. You just think that you're going to play this game with a boy and you're gonna test him, and oh yeah, let's talk about her whole test with him too, because this is what feels weird to me, But I don't know, are doing the same thing. They're both being weirdo dictators and they're both testing their person And I'm just like, whoever was writing Nathan was also writing brook They were just like, we're gonna make them do the same things. Yeah, that's it. Nathan's test seems a little more reasonable to me than Brooks. Brooks feels like a bait and switch. Yeah. It also just kind of seems like, look, do you love him or not? Why? Why are you Why are you pushing him away intentionally to see you know, like you said, there's eight million people you're gonna find attractive in the world. Who's your choice? And Lucas kept telling her you're my choice. I want to be with you. She's like, no, go see if there's other people you're attractive. If the person you have to kiss a person, she gives him really the best? Am I really the best? And I don't know, I don't think that's fair. I mean, I like the storyline because it is very high school. That's the kind of stuff you rationalize as a teenager. And I can look back on my journals and be like, oh god, you're so irritating it makes for great storytelling. I love watching it. It's so fun. But don't do that now. No. I mean I I'm so team Brooke in most things, but in this I'm just like baby yeah. And he's still even on the date. It's like you read his body language like in no way is he draped all over this girl, Like he's not doing anything. I don't want to do this. Please don't touched this hot redhead. I don't want it. It's so all for Brooke, and you know what, it's actually a good example of how men and women miss each other a lot. You know, he's doing all this for Brook because he thinks that this is what she wants, and what she wants is the exact opposite of what she's saying. And for her, she's saying, you should have you should have been able to read my mind. But it's different than her maybe body language or her the way that she's kind of acting being drawn out through a relationship, versus her specifically saying this is what I want, but then having it be actually the opposite. That's very She's so clear about what the rules are. She's so clear. I think she just wanted him to go out with someone who she felt was less than her, like less magnetic, less attractive, less, you know, somebody who wasn't a threat. And this Rachel girl shows up and is season one Brook. Yeah, she's in the backseat of the car. She's down to get frisky whenever, she's doing sexy time dances. She's got every she's a popular girl. The cheerleaders are loving her. She's getting along with every buddy. Oh yeah, that's what she says. My entire squad has a crush on her. By the way, we did we all did you know who I love seeing more of in this episode two is Bevin. I know she didn't have a lot of lines, but she really we really got to get to know her and her get more familiar with her face and just see her more. I loved that. Well. I think they saw how valuable it was to have the Tim character on the boy's side, to have not everyone's the leader of the group, not everyone's the alpha of the group, and so to have those kind of wingman it gives your lead characters places to go and realistic communities, and so having the female counterpart. When the show ended, did Tim and Bevan end up together? Oh? My gosh, I think they did. That's like perfect. Wait, wasn't it skills Skills dated Skills dated her? In season three, I think they're about to get together. Oh yeah, but but yeah, I feel like Tim and Bevan are the same person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. That's good. The dance that Danielle had to do. Here's what I'm gonna say. I think part of the reason Danielle was so well respected and so well liked is that she came in and this was a hot show. Everybody wanted this part. Danielle came in and had to do this kind of humiliating dance, and she had to do it over and over and over again. And she came in with so much grace, and she didn't pretend like she wasn't like, oh my god, I hate this, you know, like, she didn't pretend like she wasn't there to do a job. She showed up, she did her job, She communicated with everyone, she was so hyper professional, like it blew my mind. And and so I like that. Peyton immediately is like, I don't know, I like her because that's how I felt like that's in real life. I was like, this girl's have to do the most ridiculous I've ever seen on our show. Yeah, and she's just not making it weird for anyone, you know, She's just I'm here, let's do it now. She was great and then two g got introduced to this episode. Oh my gosh, we have to talk about Kelsey. We can't end this episode without talking about Kelsey. I love her. She and I stayed in touch a bit. Um we ran into each other I don't know, like five years after the show was over, and then have stayed in touch ever since. And um, she's just such a cool girl. She's on Yellowstone now playing Um, I can't remember the name of her character. She's Kevin Costner's daughter in law. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But also she's like like a perfect tin. And Jeff starts watching this show, I'm like, I know her, and He's like, you don't know her, Hillary, you know everybody, And I'm like, no, she was a child on One Tree Hill. I know her. Yeah, Like I literally know her. She was, But I guess I thought she was like sixteen when she did our because in order to work the hours we worked. But now that I'm doing the math, I'm like, I think she was fourteen, she was little. Yeah, and I think she told me that too, You know, I don't, you know, I have a terrible memory, but I'm pretty sure she told me that. Yeah. But she is so it's insane how beautiful she is. That's one of those faces that and she talks like this. She's just got a really sweet, like soft southern voice. Ah, she's so enchanting. I hope we get to have the right word for her, enchant She is enchanting. Yeah, I would love to know what her experience was as like a real high school kid working on our pretend high school set, you know, because she was only supposed to be in a couple of episodes. And I think she stuck around for a while, Yes she did. She did. That must have been so weird for her, Like, you guys are doing it wrong. We don't use that slang anymore, your big weirdos um is that? Dear kids say that to you now, because Marie I says it to me all the time. She's like, mom, nobody says killer anymore. Nobody says trainers. I was, like, I said, sent a text. She's reading over my shoulder, Like I said, are you avail to somebody and she's like a veil mom. It's like Karen, who um god. Yeah. Now my son gets humiliated when I play music for his friends because I'll try to be cool and like put jay z on in the car and he's like, Mommy, stop stop, stop stop stop. This is an US thing that we do without my friends around. Um, all right, what else have we missed? I don't like. I don't like all the chubby talk. That really made me mad. I'm looking at my notes and the things that I put big exclamation marks next to me too, And that was a go to joke from then on side the way, not just for but for me as well. They just kept they really kept it up. They liked using that. I don't so Erry, No, I don't know. There's just so many other things that you insult someone about, like fake insults. Fine, you know what making fun of somebody's being like, oh you're dumb. You know that you can find smart ways of calling something. Your clothes are tacky, you know that's a changeable thing. I don't know. Yeah, your hair, your hair color or whatever, hairstyle. You know, she used to poke. Brooke used to poke fun all the time at Haley's hair. It was cute, It's funny. Yeah, well this is also I feel like season three is the season where things went off the rails behind the scenes and so you can start to see more of it work its way into the stuff in front of the camera. Um. So I'm gonna try my best not to be like triggered by it, um because I really enjoy season Yeah. I mean season three I love so much. And I think that the people who joined our cast season three were really strong and we had fun and it was like our show. People were watching it. We didn't know that season one or two, but by season three we were like, what's up now, bitches. Yeah, it's like now when they're telling us we're on the bubble, like we don't know if you're picking your up last you next year? You know? Okay, No, good story, guys, Emily asks, can anyone recite any of the basketball, cheers or dance routines performed on the show. No, but I did remember doing that one move, the arm pump that was part of the arm pump that was part of this routine here that was kind of funny. I would use real cheers from high school, so we would have to do just like filler stuff because they would do all the boys basketball sequences, right yeah, and we we wouldn't be on camera, but then they would just need to get us cheering on the sidelines and doing reaction shots. So I try to remember, like what our easiest cheers were from high school, and it was always like you go, Patriots go like but then we change it to yeah, we just I love that you so utah, real cheers from your high school to the other cheerleaders, I mean, and most of the cheerleaders. If you grew up doing cheerleading on the East Coast, chances are you went to like an n c A cheerleading camp. There were a couple of camps, and so we all knew the same cheers up and down the East Coast. So especially because I was from Virginia and like Bevan and the rest of the girls were from North Carolina, we all kind of knew the same things from camp um. So yeah, we all Even in this episode where they were playing the jock jams, I couldn't do the arm motions. I know, years old, still doing the arm moves when I hear a jock jam. That's just how it's gonna go, oh, it's been a wheel hey, most likely to have lied the most on their driver's license information? Okay, um, I mean who's got the biggest ego on the show, Dan, Yeah, Dan's like, I definitely weigh one seventy. I am six four. You know, Paul is six four. He's definitely giving like all his high school stats and probably like in definitely not an organ donor. No, no, okay, yes, Dan is most likely to lie for sure. Who do we think fibbs in real life? Are we allowed to say? I mean, it's most likely to five in a driver's license in real life. Well, I'm gonna say Kelsey because I think she lied to us about how old she was on the show. She's like, she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys am totally sixty years old. And meanwhile she's like, you know, in middle school, she was definitely a little tiny. Alright, Kesey, we love you guys. Come back and join us for next week's episode. Hillary tell them all about it. Oh my gosh. Next week it is episode or season three, episode six, Locked Hearts and hand Grenades, And in the meantime, be listening to all the drama. Queen podcasts that you need to catch up on so you can win our scavenger hunt and be our number one fan and go to Wilmington's see you later. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O t H. Or email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you next time. We are all about that high school drama. Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens. 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