It's now officially open. This is Draft season. Hello everybody. I am John Schmolke, Who's always are joined by Tony Pauline from sports Kita. Draft Seasons presented by Moody's, a proud partner of the New York Giants, uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risks into tomorrow's opportunities. Learn more at moodys dot com. Tony, uh, we recorded this last week. People are seeing this. It's airing on the Monday of the week the combine begins. We're both probably right now on a plane to Indianapolis, or at least I'm not sure when you're getting there. I'm getting their Monday afternoon, so I'm probably rude. You're probably packing your bags to leave for Indy. And then the fun all begins of coaches and Joe managers talking Tuesday and Wednesday. Then the players start cooking on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then they work out over the weekend. Combine is always a lot of fun. Tony can't wait to see out there.

It's now officially open. This is Draft season. Hello everybody. I am John Schmolke, Who's always are joined by Tony Pauline from sports Kita. Draft Seasons presented by Moody's, a proud partner of the New York Giants, uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risks into tomorrow's opportunities. Learn more at moodys dot com. Tony, uh, we recorded this last week. People are seeing this. It's airing on the Monday of the week the combine begins. We're both probably right now on a plane to Indianapolis, or at least I'm not sure when you're getting there. I'm getting their Monday afternoon, so I'm probably rude. You're probably packing your bags to leave for Indy. And then the fun all begins of coaches and Joe managers talking Tuesday and Wednesday. Then the players start cooking on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then they work out over the weekend. Combine is always a lot of fun. Tony can't wait to see out there.

I'll be there Tuesday evening. It's fun. It's a lot different than when I when I first went to tho One. Believe me, it's it's a media and fan circus where when I started going twenty five years ago, it was like a KGB event the way it was locked down. And yeah, it's it's definitely different. It's definitely a changed especially you know with the fans in there and they're screaming and yelling for the cult fans in there when screaming young because they want a quarterback or they want a specific quarterback and say, if you're worthy. Last year once the four and one nine and a place of rupts like you scored the game winning touchdown. So it's fun. It's completely different from what I've been used to in the past.

I'll be there Tuesday evening. It's fun. It's a lot different than when I when I first went to tho One. Believe me, it's it's a media and fan circus where when I started going twenty five years ago, it was like a KGB event the way it was locked down. And yeah, it's it's definitely different. It's definitely a changed especially you know with the fans in there and they're screaming and yelling for the cult fans in there when screaming young because they want a quarterback or they want a specific quarterback and say, if you're worthy. Last year once the four and one nine and a place of rupts like you scored the game winning touchdown. So it's fun. It's completely different from what I've been used to in the past.

Well, luckily Tony Will had used this CIA skills to weasel's way in there twenty five years, you know, to kind of get this whole thing started for him. And look, it's even different than I was there for I started. I think twenty eleven twenty twelve was was my first combine and that's when they had radio row literally in the atrium where we walked into the stadium and there were maybe ten or twelve tables there. We were the only NFL team that was there for a few years. And now it's a the entire room of the convention center where you probably have what fifty radio road tables in that room, you have all thirty two teams, then probably another twenty to twenty five radio stations and TV stations and podcasts and everything else. So it's big now, man, And look, it's it's it's kind of like an NFL convention. Everyone in the NFL is there. Not all the coaches, but most of the coaches, all the general manager, all the scouts. And this is a time of year, Tony. Not only when people examine these draft picks and talk to them and you know, watch them perform on the field and they talk at the podium, there is also a lot of business has done behind the scenes by these NFL teams with free agency only a couple of weeks away.

Well, luckily Tony Will had used this CIA skills to weasel's way in there twenty five years, you know, to kind of get this whole thing started for him. And look, it's even different than I was there for I started. I think twenty eleven twenty twelve was was my first combine and that's when they had radio row literally in the atrium where we walked into the stadium and there were maybe ten or twelve tables there. We were the only NFL team that was there for a few years. And now it's a the entire room of the convention center where you probably have what fifty radio road tables in that room, you have all thirty two teams, then probably another twenty to twenty five radio stations and TV stations and podcasts and everything else. So it's big now, man, And look, it's it's it's kind of like an NFL convention. Everyone in the NFL is there. Not all the coaches, but most of the coaches, all the general manager, all the scouts. And this is a time of year, Tony. Not only when people examine these draft picks and talk to them and you know, watch them perform on the field and they talk at the podium, there is also a lot of business has done behind the scenes by these NFL teams with free agency only a couple of weeks away.

I mean, the senior ball is where talks of free agency begin, just tep it talks. But the combine has always been the unofficial start of free agency because you know, they'll never they'll never say this publicly, but they talk money, they talk terms, they talk you know, what you want, what we're willing to give. So and also, like I said last week when we did the mock draft, you know, we'll get a clearer picture on what Tennessee wants to do and if there are any takers for that top spot. So you get a lot of news like that. You know, it's kind of funny you talk about radio row because the first Combine I went to in two thousand and one, there was no media center. I mean I walked out of the workouts very gingerly for some obvious reasons. And you would have the John Clayton's, the Chris Wartonson's of the world who were standing outside the workouts with their NOE pads and their battery operated recording devices I mean regular batteries because you couldn't charge them up on a UBS the UBS device. And wow, wow, how that has changed absolutely.

I mean, the senior ball is where talks of free agency begin, just tep it talks. But the combine has always been the unofficial start of free agency because you know, they'll never they'll never say this publicly, but they talk money, they talk terms, they talk you know, what you want, what we're willing to give. So and also, like I said last week when we did the mock draft, you know, we'll get a clearer picture on what Tennessee wants to do and if there are any takers for that top spot. So you get a lot of news like that. You know, it's kind of funny you talk about radio row because the first Combine I went to in two thousand and one, there was no media center. I mean I walked out of the workouts very gingerly for some obvious reasons. And you would have the John Clayton's, the Chris Wartonson's of the world who were standing outside the workouts with their NOE pads and their battery operated recording devices I mean regular batteries because you couldn't charge them up on a UBS the UBS device. And wow, wow, how that has changed absolutely.

All right, Tony give me the uh, we're gonna go position my position here, but before we do, Tony, give me your top three to five things you're looking forward to seeing at the Combine this year.

All right, Tony give me the uh, we're gonna go position my position here, but before we do, Tony, give me your top three to five things you're looking forward to seeing at the Combine this year.

Obviously, I want to see Door Sanders if he throws the ball, because you know, like John said, we're doing this before. We're doing this a week and a half, more than a week and a half before the players actually take to the field, so we don't know if these guys are going to work out. Want to watch the door Sanders. Want to see how his uh, you know, his throwing technique, because that's something we'll talk about. His throwing techniques is throwing fundamentals are just not good on film. Let me just pull my list up here real quick. The Travis Hunter does he run? How fast does he run? You know everyone's talking about Travis Hunter is this generational talent. He doesn't look like a four to three guy, and you know, you would expect somebody it's going to go that early in a draft, play the play the receiver and the cornerback position, you know, to run super fast. The other thing about Travis Hunter is he's already been announced that he's gonna work out with the cornerbacks. What receiver drills do they have him do? Because at the comumbine there's always things called alternate position drills, and anybody watching the show and watches the combine knows that they'll have the defensive line workout, and the defensive line and go through that workout, and then they'll have the defensive line and go through coverage drills. Basically drop off the line of scrimmage and try and kiss the ball as though they were simulating his own blitz. What are they going to do with Travis Hunter if he works out about getting him receiver work? You know during the cornerback drills, is he going to stay on the field? Is he going to be asked to run routes? Mike Santas drill did that last year, not the cornerback position, but at his pro day workout and was phenomenal. You know, what are the arm length of Kelvin Banks? We talk about Kevin Banks? Is he a guard? Is he a tackle? Kelvin Banks wasn't at the Senior ball say where Josh Connolly was say the way membo member of Missouri was, So we don't know what Kelvin Bank's arm length is, which is going to be right, Well, there you go, you beat me too. Same thing with Will Campbell. I mean people are talking about Will Campbell having these short arms. I've not heard that. And again let's go back a couple of years ago when we were doing the show, I was constantly, you know, talking about Peter Skronsky of Northwestern having short arms which was gonna push him from tackle to guard. I've heard it on the outside, but No one on the inside has talked about Will Campbell's short arms. You know you're gonna want to see Campbell have arms. I would prefer thirty five and a half inches. Some people are okay with the tackle having arms that are thirty three inches if they're under thirty thirty three inches, if they're thirty two and a half or something like that, you know, it's gonna be a big red flag for him being a tackle on Sunday.

Obviously, I want to see Door Sanders if he throws the ball, because you know, like John said, we're doing this before. We're doing this a week and a half, more than a week and a half before the players actually take to the field, so we don't know if these guys are going to work out. Want to watch the door Sanders. Want to see how his uh, you know, his throwing technique, because that's something we'll talk about. His throwing techniques is throwing fundamentals are just not good on film. Let me just pull my list up here real quick. The Travis Hunter does he run? How fast does he run? You know everyone's talking about Travis Hunter is this generational talent. He doesn't look like a four to three guy, and you know, you would expect somebody it's going to go that early in a draft, play the play the receiver and the cornerback position, you know, to run super fast. The other thing about Travis Hunter is he's already been announced that he's gonna work out with the cornerbacks. What receiver drills do they have him do? Because at the comumbine there's always things called alternate position drills, and anybody watching the show and watches the combine knows that they'll have the defensive line workout, and the defensive line and go through that workout, and then they'll have the defensive line and go through coverage drills. Basically drop off the line of scrimmage and try and kiss the ball as though they were simulating his own blitz. What are they going to do with Travis Hunter if he works out about getting him receiver work? You know during the cornerback drills, is he going to stay on the field? Is he going to be asked to run routes? Mike Santas drill did that last year, not the cornerback position, but at his pro day workout and was phenomenal. You know, what are the arm length of Kelvin Banks? We talk about Kevin Banks? Is he a guard? Is he a tackle? Kelvin Banks wasn't at the Senior ball say where Josh Connolly was say the way membo member of Missouri was, So we don't know what Kelvin Bank's arm length is, which is going to be right, Well, there you go, you beat me too. Same thing with Will Campbell. I mean people are talking about Will Campbell having these short arms. I've not heard that. And again let's go back a couple of years ago when we were doing the show, I was constantly, you know, talking about Peter Skronsky of Northwestern having short arms which was gonna push him from tackle to guard. I've heard it on the outside, but No one on the inside has talked about Will Campbell's short arms. You know you're gonna want to see Campbell have arms. I would prefer thirty five and a half inches. Some people are okay with the tackle having arms that are thirty three inches if they're under thirty thirty three inches, if they're thirty two and a half or something like that, you know, it's gonna be a big red flag for him being a tackle on Sunday.

Yeah, if he can get the thirty four, he'll be fine.

Yeah, if he can get the thirty four, he'll be fine.

That to me is kind of four. Thirty four is absolutely fine, There's no doubt about it. But there are some teams that will be okay because of his length with the you know, thirty three thirty three and a half that would.

That to me is kind of four. Thirty four is absolutely fine, There's no doubt about it. But there are some teams that will be okay because of his length with the you know, thirty three thirty three and a half that would.

Be interesting to see. I remember, you know, for the giant fans that are watching this, you remember the old Justin Pew debates from gosh, more than ten years ago now, where I think he was like thirty three and an eighth and it was like, ah, he's too short to play tackle, he has to play guard. So this is a debate that rages on forever. All right, let's go position by position here, Tony, you kind of mentioned there ready with the quarterbacks. Cam Ward spoke at some type of award thing that he accepted the other day last week, and he said he doesn't know if he's throwing yet. You mentioned Shdor Sanders. I'm assuming everyone else is probably gonna throw. That's healthy because you know they're trying to move up, get into that first round with this quarterback. But it's always fun, you know, to see how the ball comes out of these guys' hands, back to back next to each other in their group.

Be interesting to see. I remember, you know, for the giant fans that are watching this, you remember the old Justin Pew debates from gosh, more than ten years ago now, where I think he was like thirty three and an eighth and it was like, ah, he's too short to play tackle, he has to play guard. So this is a debate that rages on forever. All right, let's go position by position here, Tony, you kind of mentioned there ready with the quarterbacks. Cam Ward spoke at some type of award thing that he accepted the other day last week, and he said he doesn't know if he's throwing yet. You mentioned Shdor Sanders. I'm assuming everyone else is probably gonna throw. That's healthy because you know they're trying to move up, get into that first round with this quarterback. But it's always fun, you know, to see how the ball comes out of these guys' hands, back to back next to each other in their group.

You know. Yeah, and you want to see a guy like Jalen Milroe, what is his accuracy like downfield? Because Jalen milgrow the passes on film were all over the place, and as you mentioned in our Senior Ball review, he didn't even throw the ball downfield in bobile. It looked like he was a little bit timid, and really, Jalen Milroe has seemed to lose a lot of confidence in hissing. So you know, you want to watch that same thing with the Riley Leonard, I mean, not Tree Dame. How accurate is he down the field? You look at Jackson's dart and Dylan Gabriel, what are their deep passes like? Can they get the deep passed downfield with speed. I think when you look at Queeneewers, I think when you look at Colin mccordy, even when you look at Syracuse, Will Howard of Ohio State, they've got big arms. They can get the ball out field. They're relatively accurate. Their issue is they don't they they're they're slow moving their heads from the primary target. Sometimes Queenewers is a bit late pulling the trigger at times. There's no way to calculate that or basically to give a grade on that. During combine workouts where they're throwing in a design route to a specific receiver with no defender there, and also.

You know. Yeah, and you want to see a guy like Jalen Milroe, what is his accuracy like downfield? Because Jalen milgrow the passes on film were all over the place, and as you mentioned in our Senior Ball review, he didn't even throw the ball downfield in bobile. It looked like he was a little bit timid, and really, Jalen Milroe has seemed to lose a lot of confidence in hissing. So you know, you want to watch that same thing with the Riley Leonard, I mean, not Tree Dame. How accurate is he down the field? You look at Jackson's dart and Dylan Gabriel, what are their deep passes like? Can they get the deep passed downfield with speed. I think when you look at Queeneewers, I think when you look at Colin mccordy, even when you look at Syracuse, Will Howard of Ohio State, they've got big arms. They can get the ball out field. They're relatively accurate. Their issue is they don't they they're they're slow moving their heads from the primary target. Sometimes Queenewers is a bit late pulling the trigger at times. There's no way to calculate that or basically to give a grade on that. During combine workouts where they're throwing in a design route to a specific receiver with no defender there, and also.

A receiver they they've never thrown do before either. So there are a lot of things that take into consideration when you're figuring out the.

A receiver they they've never thrown do before either. So there are a lot of things that take into consideration when you're figuring out the.

Actions, and that's how you go. You know, that's where usually the best I don't see the winner, but the best quarterback workouts from the combine comp it's the guys that show the timing, the guys that show the accuracy on the field that they've never played on before. Most of them anyway, throwing to receivers that they've met maybe twenty four hours ago. So there have been some workouts like that where guy just blows it away because he's so accurate. The timing's on the deep outs, which is probably the most important fast during combine workout. He drops it in the bucket in the receiver's hands. Those are the things to look for.

Actions, and that's how you go. You know, that's where usually the best I don't see the winner, but the best quarterback workouts from the combine comp it's the guys that show the timing, the guys that show the accuracy on the field that they've never played on before. Most of them anyway, throwing to receivers that they've met maybe twenty four hours ago. So there have been some workouts like that where guy just blows it away because he's so accurate. The timing's on the deep outs, which is probably the most important fast during combine workout. He drops it in the bucket in the receiver's hands. Those are the things to look for.

All right, Let's go to the pass catchers, Tony and look, I have not unless it's something else on the quarterbacks you want to hit. I have not heard anything. I don't know anything. But my guess is going to be that Shadoor and Travis Hunter are going to want to do Pro Day only, and that's what they're going to do. It just seems like something you know, you want to you know, Colorado. Deon gets a lot of people to come to Colorado right to go to the Pro Day. He gets to advertise the program and things like that. That's just the gut feeling that I have. We'll see, But I think what Travis Hunter runs is important, right and I think what he weighs in at you know, is he five eleven, one hundred eighty pounds? Is he five ten, one hundred eighty pounds? What is he going to measure? I think that's going to be important and to your point that you made earlier, I thought it was a good one. You know, five eleven, one hundred and eighty five pound wide receivers that run four four eighths are generally not top five picks, nor cornerbacks at that size and speed or top five picks. So you know, on tape you do see him turn the jets on sometimes when I was watching him, He's one of the guys I watched last week on my week off, and some of the times I'm looking, I'm like, is he really running full speed? Watching him on tape? But then I'm like, wait a second, he's also playing like one hundred and sixty plays a game, so like, can you expect them to run full speed all the time? So I'm with you, I'm very curious to see how fast Hunter is when he does eventually run his forty and again that's.

All right, Let's go to the pass catchers, Tony and look, I have not unless it's something else on the quarterbacks you want to hit. I have not heard anything. I don't know anything. But my guess is going to be that Shadoor and Travis Hunter are going to want to do Pro Day only, and that's what they're going to do. It just seems like something you know, you want to you know, Colorado. Deon gets a lot of people to come to Colorado right to go to the Pro Day. He gets to advertise the program and things like that. That's just the gut feeling that I have. We'll see, But I think what Travis Hunter runs is important, right and I think what he weighs in at you know, is he five eleven, one hundred eighty pounds? Is he five ten, one hundred eighty pounds? What is he going to measure? I think that's going to be important and to your point that you made earlier, I thought it was a good one. You know, five eleven, one hundred and eighty five pound wide receivers that run four four eighths are generally not top five picks, nor cornerbacks at that size and speed or top five picks. So you know, on tape you do see him turn the jets on sometimes when I was watching him, He's one of the guys I watched last week on my week off, and some of the times I'm looking, I'm like, is he really running full speed? Watching him on tape? But then I'm like, wait a second, he's also playing like one hundred and sixty plays a game, so like, can you expect them to run full speed all the time? So I'm with you, I'm very curious to see how fast Hunter is when he does eventually run his forty and again that's.

Why, in my opinion, he's not a generational type talent. I would say, I would argue that Tech McMillan is the best receiver in this draft, but maybe Travis Hunter is the best better athlete. I mean, Tech McMillan, is he going to run? Because is he going to do any testing at all, He'll probably do the vertical jump because he looks like a guy that can jump through the roof.

Why, in my opinion, he's not a generational type talent. I would say, I would argue that Tech McMillan is the best receiver in this draft, but maybe Travis Hunter is the best better athlete. I mean, Tech McMillan, is he going to run? Because is he going to do any testing at all, He'll probably do the vertical jump because he looks like a guy that can jump through the roof.

Gosh, yeah, that guy can jump. Oh my goodness, he goes up against the ball. He's unbelievable.

Gosh, yeah, that guy can jump. Oh my goodness, he goes up against the ball. He's unbelievable.

Ditto for McMillan as well. And I mean, but McMillan, what type of testing is he going to do? Is he going to do any type of testing? Because we've seen in recent years where a lot of these guys just won't do any testing. If he's getting good information tech McMillan that he's going to be a top eight pick, he may just say, you know, what, the hell with it, I'm not going to run the forty between now.

Ditto for McMillan as well. And I mean, but McMillan, what type of testing is he going to do? Is he going to do any type of testing? Because we've seen in recent years where a lot of these guys just won't do any testing. If he's getting good information tech McMillan that he's going to be a top eight pick, he may just say, you know, what, the hell with it, I'm not going to run the forty between now.

I think he's a sub four or five guy.

I think he's a sub four or five guy.

Tony on film though on film he looks like a four five five four five two guy, But he makes up for it by the fact that he's just a dominant receiver. You know what. He may not be sub four five foot speed, but he's like a four to two in his head because he knows what's going on in the field. He's very he's clairvoyant, and he's on the Saint Page as his quarterback, even though his quarterback wasn't that well. He knows how to come back, he knows how it seems to know how to read the defenses, find the sawt spot in the defense. So I think with him is it's just incredible natural pass catching skills and he's got it going on between the ears.

Tony on film though on film he looks like a four five five four five two guy, But he makes up for it by the fact that he's just a dominant receiver. You know what. He may not be sub four five foot speed, but he's like a four to two in his head because he knows what's going on in the field. He's very he's clairvoyant, and he's on the Saint Page as his quarterback, even though his quarterback wasn't that well. He knows how to come back, he knows how it seems to know how to read the defenses, find the sawt spot in the defense. So I think with him is it's just incredible natural pass catching skills and he's got it going on between the ears.

And I think his wingspan and arm length and standing reach and all that sort of stuff will be important too, right because he's got such a big frame. You know, you think of T Higgins and when I watch him, I think of like really good T Higgins type of receiver, So I think that'll be interesting to see too. I also think for a guy like Luthor Burden Tony, for a guy that is not polished as a wide receiver in terms of being a route runner, he better test really well because if he's going to be relied upon as a run after, catch yat guy, you have to be a really good athlete in order to be that type of player, unless you're a two hundred and thirty pound wide receiver like Deebo Samuel is, and that's not what Luther Burdon is. He's not two hundred thirty pounds, So I think how he tests is going to be important for his draft stock too.

And I think his wingspan and arm length and standing reach and all that sort of stuff will be important too, right because he's got such a big frame. You know, you think of T Higgins and when I watch him, I think of like really good T Higgins type of receiver, So I think that'll be interesting to see too. I also think for a guy like Luthor Burden Tony, for a guy that is not polished as a wide receiver in terms of being a route runner, he better test really well because if he's going to be relied upon as a run after, catch yat guy, you have to be a really good athlete in order to be that type of player, unless you're a two hundred and thirty pound wide receiver like Deebo Samuel is, and that's not what Luther Burdon is. He's not two hundred thirty pounds, So I think how he tests is going to be important for his draft stock too.

And we may not find until he come out with the master goal. What Burden is. It's also that ten yard split, not just the forty time, it's a ten yard split because the ten yard split there for is that initial quickness which is not just important getting off the line of scrimmage, but it's super important, you know, transitioning from catching the ball to running after the catch. Uh, you're gonna help me with his name here to get to the Giant, the receiver the Giants drafted from Kentucky a couple of years ago. He was I mean, he is super quick when the balls in his hands. That's what you got to see from Burden.

And we may not find until he come out with the master goal. What Burden is. It's also that ten yard split, not just the forty time, it's a ten yard split because the ten yard split there for is that initial quickness which is not just important getting off the line of scrimmage, but it's super important, you know, transitioning from catching the ball to running after the catch. Uh, you're gonna help me with his name here to get to the Giant, the receiver the Giants drafted from Kentucky a couple of years ago. He was I mean, he is super quick when the balls in his hands. That's what you got to see from Burden.

No, I'm with you one hundred percent. And then Tony, you have the battle for who the next wide receiver is, right Mecca Agbuka, Matthew Golden, Isaiah Bond. I think is going to run really fast. He might be the fastest wide receiver there, the big Stanford kid iomanor We'll see how he runs. If he could put a good time together, that I'll help his stock a lot. So I think then there's a fierce competition for who that next receiver off the board is gonna be yeah, and I don't see.

No, I'm with you one hundred percent. And then Tony, you have the battle for who the next wide receiver is, right Mecca Agbuka, Matthew Golden, Isaiah Bond. I think is going to run really fast. He might be the fastest wide receiver there, the big Stanford kid iomanor We'll see how he runs. If he could put a good time together, that I'll help his stock a lot. So I think then there's a fierce competition for who that next receiver off the board is gonna be yeah, and I don't see.

Obviously, the talks would be are any of these guys going to be Tavior worthy and there And the next question is how many of these guys can broach the low four threes? You know, possibly get on a four three And I don't really see you know, teds Johnson maybe of Oregon. But you're right, I mean when you when you look at the guys, Buca, I think is maybe a mid four four guy I am manor. I mean he's not as slow as McMillan, but he's not a burner. I mean Jalen Noah, the kid from Iowa State. I would expect him to put it laid down a pretty fast time.

Obviously, the talks would be are any of these guys going to be Tavior worthy and there And the next question is how many of these guys can broach the low four threes? You know, possibly get on a four three And I don't really see you know, teds Johnson maybe of Oregon. But you're right, I mean when you when you look at the guys, Buca, I think is maybe a mid four four guy I am manor. I mean he's not as slow as McMillan, but he's not a burner. I mean Jalen Noah, the kid from Iowa State. I would expect him to put it laid down a pretty fast time.

But there is he is a shot at a high four threes, like a four three eight, four three nine. I think nol base of what I saw at senior ball, I think Noel is a shot.

But there is he is a shot at a high four threes, like a four three eight, four three nine. I think nol base of what I saw at senior ball, I think Noel is a shot.

And I agree your Bond's going to be pretty quick. But the question with Bond is how does he catch the ball? Because when I did my film mark which I just finished on the SCC, Bond as a receiver needs a lot of work on his game, all right.

And I agree your Bond's going to be pretty quick. But the question with Bond is how does he catch the ball? Because when I did my film mark which I just finished on the SCC, Bond as a receiver needs a lot of work on his game, all right.

And then one of the guy I want to bring up to you because I know he's he's a really good player. He's a really good wide receiver. But what is Zevir Restreppo gonna run, Tony? You know, can he hit four or five two? Or is he gonna be like a four five eight four five nine guy? I think there is a there are levels to this where how fast or slow is is he going to run?

And then one of the guy I want to bring up to you because I know he's he's a really good player. He's a really good wide receiver. But what is Zevir Restreppo gonna run, Tony? You know, can he hit four or five two? Or is he gonna be like a four five eight four five nine guy? I think there is a there are levels to this where how fast or slow is is he going to run?

Yeah, I think he's going to be more than mid four fives. But again with Rispeestro, you want to look at the three cone and you want to look at the short shuttle because you know his mo o. His his strength is not straight line speed. It's the ability to move latterly with quickness and separate from the defenders. And a lot of that latteral quickness will be told through the three cone and through the short shuttle.

Yeah, I think he's going to be more than mid four fives. But again with Rispeestro, you want to look at the three cone and you want to look at the short shuttle because you know his mo o. His his strength is not straight line speed. It's the ability to move latterly with quickness and separate from the defenders. And a lot of that latteral quickness will be told through the three cone and through the short shuttle.

Tony, I'm with you. All right, Let's go to tight end. Un listen to the wide receiver you want to bring up there? Nope, all right, tight end, here we go.

Tony, I'm with you. All right, Let's go to tight end. Un listen to the wide receiver you want to bring up there? Nope, all right, tight end, here we go.

I let you love one of the guys, Corey Brooks of Louisville, who I like a lot. He has a lot riding on the line with his forty times because scouts say in the mid four fours. I'm told it's the mid four fives. If he runs in the mid four fives, he's going to drop.

I let you love one of the guys, Corey Brooks of Louisville, who I like a lot. He has a lot riding on the line with his forty times because scouts say in the mid four fours. I'm told it's the mid four fives. If he runs in the mid four fives, he's going to drop.

He was good at the Shrine Bowl. He was one of the better wide receivers down there. So someone to make note of, all, right, tight end position, Tony, And Look, this is such a strong class here that I think testing is going to be really important because tight end has become a testing position, right. Teams like the draft really big, strong, fast athletes, explosive athletes, and then trade him to play tight end. That's kind of where a lot of guys have had success. And there are a lot of talented guys here and I think they're kind of bunched together a lot to be honest with you too. So how players test could really, I think impact where they get picked in this draft.

He was good at the Shrine Bowl. He was one of the better wide receivers down there. So someone to make note of, all, right, tight end position, Tony, And Look, this is such a strong class here that I think testing is going to be really important because tight end has become a testing position, right. Teams like the draft really big, strong, fast athletes, explosive athletes, and then trade him to play tight end. That's kind of where a lot of guys have had success. And there are a lot of talented guys here and I think they're kind of bunched together a lot to be honest with you too. So how players test could really, I think impact where they get picked in this draft.

Well, I think you got kind of two groups in the sense that you got Loveland and Warren, who are not going to be as fast as a Royal Gatson. I would expect a Royal and Gatson to put down some pretty fast times.

Well, I think you got kind of two groups in the sense that you got Loveland and Warren, who are not going to be as fast as a Royal Gatson. I would expect a Royal and Gatson to put down some pretty fast times.

You think they'll be that much faster than Loveland?

You think they'll be that much faster than Loveland?

Huh, Yeah, I think they're going to be mid to low four fives. I mean, you see it Loveland. Loveland's fast, but I think the other guys are really fast for the tight end position. You know. The thing about Warren is I'm told that Warren is gonna test really well in everything other than the forty. And what's gonna happen is is Warren will probably run in the mid four sevens and the forty maybe you know, in the low four sevens. But he's gonna jump. He's gonna vertical jump really well, and he's gonna broad really well. And you can read into that any way you want. But I think the you know, the narrative will be well. All these other guys ran much faster than Tyler Warren, but Warren did have some other good testing numbers, or supposed to have some other good testing numbers.

Huh, Yeah, I think they're going to be mid to low four fives. I mean, you see it Loveland. Loveland's fast, but I think the other guys are really fast for the tight end position. You know. The thing about Warren is I'm told that Warren is gonna test really well in everything other than the forty. And what's gonna happen is is Warren will probably run in the mid four sevens and the forty maybe you know, in the low four sevens. But he's gonna jump. He's gonna vertical jump really well, and he's gonna broad really well. And you can read into that any way you want. But I think the you know, the narrative will be well. All these other guys ran much faster than Tyler Warren, but Warren did have some other good testing numbers, or supposed to have some other good testing numbers.

Yeah, how do you think Fan and Harrold Fan and Junior out of bowling Greens get a test?

Yeah, how do you think Fan and Harrold Fan and Junior out of bowling Greens get a test?

I mean, what was he two and forty pounds at the Senior Bowl? Maybe a hair too. I mean, to me, on film, he looks like a mid a low four to six guy. He doesn't look like he's gonna be super fast.

I mean, what was he two and forty pounds at the Senior Bowl? Maybe a hair too. I mean, to me, on film, he looks like a mid a low four to six guy. He doesn't look like he's gonna be super fast.

Curious to see how Terrence Ferguson tests and gunner Helm. Those are two guys that I think showed to be good wide receivers. I don't know, you know, if they're gonna break four seven, those guys something to keep an eye on. Those are the guys that kind of interest me. There anyone else a tight end, Tony tight end?

Curious to see how Terrence Ferguson tests and gunner Helm. Those are two guys that I think showed to be good wide receivers. I don't know, you know, if they're gonna break four seven, those guys something to keep an eye on. Those are the guys that kind of interest me. There anyone else a tight end, Tony tight end?

No, I mean well, I mean Thomas Vedoni of Nebraska who we saw at the Senior Bowl. Very interesting prospect. You mentioned gunner Helm. I'm looking for the kid from the Simon kid from South Carolina who looks like he's a real good athlete, just just not a really big guy. We saw him at the Senior Bowl as well.

No, I mean well, I mean Thomas Vedoni of Nebraska who we saw at the Senior Bowl. Very interesting prospect. You mentioned gunner Helm. I'm looking for the kid from the Simon kid from South Carolina who looks like he's a real good athlete, just just not a really big guy. We saw him at the Senior Bowl as well.

All right, Tony, let's go to offensive tackle or offensive line. And you know, you kind of mentioned this in my first question to You'm like, you know, what guys can stick a tackle? What guys have to move into guard. The good news is that we've gotten measurements on most of these guys from the Senior Bowl. Right There's only I think two guys at the top of the class that we are three that we don't really have good measurements on, and that's Josh Emmons out of Ohio State. Will Campbell out of LSU, and then we talk about Kelvin Banks and time.

All right, Tony, let's go to offensive tackle or offensive line. And you know, you kind of mentioned this in my first question to You'm like, you know, what guys can stick a tackle? What guys have to move into guard. The good news is that we've gotten measurements on most of these guys from the Senior Bowl. Right There's only I think two guys at the top of the class that we are three that we don't really have good measurements on, and that's Josh Emmons out of Ohio State. Will Campbell out of LSU, and then we talk about Kelvin Banks and time.

Trust that happened to be your top three guys depending on your board, probably your top three stop three offensive linemen.

Trust that happened to be your top three guys depending on your board, probably your top three stop three offensive linemen.

Right, correct? So how those while we have measurements for like everybody else that like the first three rounds, those are the three guys that like were anxiously willing to say, can they get the thirty three and a half inches? Can they get the thirty four inch arms? When they get measured?

Right, correct? So how those while we have measurements for like everybody else that like the first three rounds, those are the three guys that like were anxiously willing to say, can they get the thirty three and a half inches? Can they get the thirty four inch arms? When they get measured?

Well, let me just pull up. I got a little chart here and I will look it up as we are. But I believe Simon was measured in the preseason where Campbell and Banks were. And when I say measured, and here we go, if you just want to bear with me for a.

Well, let me just pull up. I got a little chart here and I will look it up as we are. But I believe Simon was measured in the preseason where Campbell and Banks were. And when I say measured, and here we go, if you just want to bear with me for a.

Second, Simmons got measured preseason by Ohio State.

Second, Simmons got measured preseason by Ohio State.

Simmon. No, I'm I am incorrect about that. I thought he was, but I'm looking at my list now. So no, none of the three of them, none of them were measured preseason. So you're, yeah, you're right to go with your initial thought. None of these three guys, we don't have our measurements on them. We don't have length, which is also going to be important for Kelvin Banks. He six foot four, A lot of people don't think it's gonna even be six foot four, and that will be a determining factor, especially with Will Campbell. I mean, because everybody expects Will Campbell will be the first offensive lineman off the board. People have been projecting him as a guard throughout most of this throughout most of the season. I disagree with that, but it is it is vitally important.

Simmon. No, I'm I am incorrect about that. I thought he was, but I'm looking at my list now. So no, none of the three of them, none of them were measured preseason. So you're, yeah, you're right to go with your initial thought. None of these three guys, we don't have our measurements on them. We don't have length, which is also going to be important for Kelvin Banks. He six foot four, A lot of people don't think it's gonna even be six foot four, and that will be a determining factor, especially with Will Campbell. I mean, because everybody expects Will Campbell will be the first offensive lineman off the board. People have been projecting him as a guard throughout most of this throughout most of the season. I disagree with that, but it is it is vitally important.

And then a couple of guards Tony that they were not at the Senior Bowl to shrine balls. We did not get measurements on them. Is Tyler Booker, the guard out of Alabama could be the first straight up guard taken in this draft, if you know, not a guy that moves from tackle to guard. And then Donovan Jackson of Ohio State another guy that we don't have measurements on in terms of arm length. So those are two guys I'm curious to see when they get on the scales and they put the tape measure on those two guys what they end up being.

And then a couple of guards Tony that they were not at the Senior Bowl to shrine balls. We did not get measurements on them. Is Tyler Booker, the guard out of Alabama could be the first straight up guard taken in this draft, if you know, not a guy that moves from tackle to guard. And then Donovan Jackson of Ohio State another guy that we don't have measurements on in terms of arm length. So those are two guys I'm curious to see when they get on the scales and they put the tape measure on those two guys what they end up being.

Well, I think the thing with Booker the scale that's important for Booker as it's going to be for the tackle from Texas Cameron Williams. But that is going to be the big issue with Booker. You know, how much does he way does if he tests? What is testing numbers like that at that weight, because you know, as we've seen, sometimes guys can be a little bit too big. Now, if you want to hear, Donovan Jackson coming into the season was measured at just under thirty four and a half inch arms and hands that were over ten inches. So the arm lengths is going to be a problem. Probably one of the reasons why he did such a good job when they kicked him out to left tackle because he's got longer arms.

Well, I think the thing with Booker the scale that's important for Booker as it's going to be for the tackle from Texas Cameron Williams. But that is going to be the big issue with Booker. You know, how much does he way does if he tests? What is testing numbers like that at that weight, because you know, as we've seen, sometimes guys can be a little bit too big. Now, if you want to hear, Donovan Jackson coming into the season was measured at just under thirty four and a half inch arms and hands that were over ten inches. So the arm lengths is going to be a problem. Probably one of the reasons why he did such a good job when they kicked him out to left tackle because he's got longer arms.

Yeah, and if he tests well enough, that team might say, hey, we're going to try and to tackle, you know, and if he moves well enough, they think he's got the feet for something to keep an eye on. Certainly, any other offensive lineman that you kind of have circled that we did not get measurements at, or you don't have measurements for from Shrine or Senior or your sources that you think this could be very important for.

Yeah, and if he tests well enough, that team might say, hey, we're going to try and to tackle, you know, and if he moves well enough, they think he's got the feet for something to keep an eye on. Certainly, any other offensive lineman that you kind of have circled that we did not get measurements at, or you don't have measurements for from Shrine or Senior or your sources that you think this could be very important for.

Well, it's not just measurement's Gray's Abel the kid from North Dakota State. How does he test? I mean he's got a lot of momentum going in his way in his for himself, how is he going to do? Drew Kendall out of Boston College. Really not a lot of information on him. Drew Kendall, the center who was initially entered the transfer portortal then decided to enter the draft. I think what's also going to be interesting, although it's not as prominent as it was at the shrine or senior ball, is when they do drills, how many of these guys did they ask to snap the ball? You know, because there's really not a lot of talent at the center position. Some of your better centers are going to be guards, even tackles who are kicked into the center position. So when they're doing drills, watch for some of those college guards, maybe even tackles that all of a sudden are standing over the ball, snapping the ball and simulating playing center, because that's going to mean that teams believe these guys have center potential at the next level.

Well, it's not just measurement's Gray's Abel the kid from North Dakota State. How does he test? I mean he's got a lot of momentum going in his way in his for himself, how is he going to do? Drew Kendall out of Boston College. Really not a lot of information on him. Drew Kendall, the center who was initially entered the transfer portortal then decided to enter the draft. I think what's also going to be interesting, although it's not as prominent as it was at the shrine or senior ball, is when they do drills, how many of these guys did they ask to snap the ball? You know, because there's really not a lot of talent at the center position. Some of your better centers are going to be guards, even tackles who are kicked into the center position. So when they're doing drills, watch for some of those college guards, maybe even tackles that all of a sudden are standing over the ball, snapping the ball and simulating playing center, because that's going to mean that teams believe these guys have center potential at the next level.

Drew Kendall, son of Pete Kendall, former NFL offensive lineman. Yeah, those are most of the names for me. A couple of small school guys. We got to see how that you know we're not at senior in shrine. How they measure you? Guy, Charles Grant is one of them, right from William and Mary. So those a couple of small school guys too, will keep an eye on there. All right, let's got running back Tony. And this is more of a basic question for running back. Is forty times still a big deal for these scouts and evaluators at the running back position. I've seen so many running backs that don't necessarily test well in the forty they end up being great backs. How essential is that these days for running backs to have good forty times?

Drew Kendall, son of Pete Kendall, former NFL offensive lineman. Yeah, those are most of the names for me. A couple of small school guys. We got to see how that you know we're not at senior in shrine. How they measure you? Guy, Charles Grant is one of them, right from William and Mary. So those a couple of small school guys too, will keep an eye on there. All right, let's got running back Tony. And this is more of a basic question for running back. Is forty times still a big deal for these scouts and evaluators at the running back position. I've seen so many running backs that don't necessarily test well in the forty they end up being great backs. How essential is that these days for running backs to have good forty times?

More important is do they meet or exceed expectations? Okay, so Ashton Genty, if scouts expect him to run a four four eight and he runs a four to six to two, that's problem. I mean, you know, Ashton Genty is a great running back. He was outstanding in the in the Mount West Conference. It's not oh, it's not super important, but you want to, you know, meet expectations, if not exceed them. You know, we have Bruce Feldman on for our show every year, right, and I always ask Bruce Welbyn does his article on his top one hundred freaks, does he think it impacts a player's decision to work out before the draft, because if he's like Bruce, if he's one of Bruce's top ten athletic freaks and he's got all these expectations that he's going to do all these outstandings. You know, he's going to run like the wind, and he's going to run a great three cone, and you know he's going to jump through the roof, and that's what the expectations are. Players sometimes will pull back. It's not super important, but it is important that you meet the expectations, if not exceed them, that scouts have of you.

More important is do they meet or exceed expectations? Okay, so Ashton Genty, if scouts expect him to run a four four eight and he runs a four to six to two, that's problem. I mean, you know, Ashton Genty is a great running back. He was outstanding in the in the Mount West Conference. It's not oh, it's not super important, but you want to, you know, meet expectations, if not exceed them. You know, we have Bruce Feldman on for our show every year, right, and I always ask Bruce Welbyn does his article on his top one hundred freaks, does he think it impacts a player's decision to work out before the draft, because if he's like Bruce, if he's one of Bruce's top ten athletic freaks and he's got all these expectations that he's going to do all these outstandings. You know, he's going to run like the wind, and he's going to run a great three cone, and you know he's going to jump through the roof, and that's what the expectations are. Players sometimes will pull back. It's not super important, but it is important that you meet the expectations, if not exceed them, that scouts have of you.

I'm with you, what running backs do you think are going to maybe exceed expectations and put up really good forty times from some of the top guys in this group, I.

I'm with you, what running backs do you think are going to maybe exceed expectations and put up really good forty times from some of the top guys in this group, I.

Think on Marion Hampton, you want to see what he's weighs. He's expected to be about two hundred and fifteen pounds. How fast does he run? Because he looks like a pretty fast guy on film. So if he's two hundred fifteen pounds and he can run in the mid four fours, which is expected, I mean that is that's going to be important for him. Kyle Minaghy out of Rutgers, a real good back, but he's only two hundred and five pounds. He doesn't look super fast. I mean him not running a decent time. Decent time being in the low five, low four fives, high four to eighth high four fours like four four eight that could negative negatively impact his draft stock. You know one of your favorite guys, DJ Harvey, how fast is he? Because he's not the biggest running back in the world, he's super quick. I mean he beats you with quickness. He beats you a great footwork, he sets up defenders and he makes a miss. He shows the ability on film to run the daylight? Is he fast enough? What does he time well enough at least to run the daylight? Raheem Sanders. You know he's not a fast gut on film he had a real good season, moved up draft boards. But you want to see, you know, you want to see what his forty time is. You want to see what his ten split is. And a guy like Sanders, you want to see what his three cone is as well, especially those bigger backs who sometimes have difficulty changing direction cutting back against the grain.

Think on Marion Hampton, you want to see what he's weighs. He's expected to be about two hundred and fifteen pounds. How fast does he run? Because he looks like a pretty fast guy on film. So if he's two hundred fifteen pounds and he can run in the mid four fours, which is expected, I mean that is that's going to be important for him. Kyle Minaghy out of Rutgers, a real good back, but he's only two hundred and five pounds. He doesn't look super fast. I mean him not running a decent time. Decent time being in the low five, low four fives, high four to eighth high four fours like four four eight that could negative negatively impact his draft stock. You know one of your favorite guys, DJ Harvey, how fast is he? Because he's not the biggest running back in the world, he's super quick. I mean he beats you with quickness. He beats you a great footwork, he sets up defenders and he makes a miss. He shows the ability on film to run the daylight? Is he fast enough? What does he time well enough at least to run the daylight? Raheem Sanders. You know he's not a fast gut on film he had a real good season, moved up draft boards. But you want to see, you know, you want to see what his forty time is. You want to see what his ten split is. And a guy like Sanders, you want to see what his three cone is as well, especially those bigger backs who sometimes have difficulty changing direction cutting back against the grain.

I want to see what Devin Neil runs Tony, He's super productive. I want to see how fast he is. Caleb Johnson out of Iowa another guy, how fast is he? And then a guy that if he runs well. And I don't think expectations for cam Skataboo are very high. I think people are thinking, you know, low four fives. You know, I have rather high four fives, you know, low four six, this type of area. But if he could put a good time together with his physicality, pass catching, ability to break tackles, he could move up into the second round, you know, late first round. To me, if he puts a really good forty time on the board.

I want to see what Devin Neil runs Tony, He's super productive. I want to see how fast he is. Caleb Johnson out of Iowa another guy, how fast is he? And then a guy that if he runs well. And I don't think expectations for cam Skataboo are very high. I think people are thinking, you know, low four fives. You know, I have rather high four fives, you know, low four six, this type of area. But if he could put a good time together with his physicality, pass catching, ability to break tackles, he could move up into the second round, you know, late first round. To me, if he puts a really good forty time on the board.

Yeah, And I think with Scatibow, you got to look more towards the three cone and you got to look more towards the show. He is what he is running straight ahead. I mean, he is a guy who seems to invite contact. He seems to be a guy who really enjoys doling out the punishment. But when you watch him on film, he loses a lot of momentum trying to come back. He has to get himself oftentimes he's off balance. So I think for Scattabot, you hit it right on the hammer he's a low four to six guy. I mean, he's not a guy that's gonna beat defenders into daylight with foot speed, or beat him into the open field with foot speed, or run the daylight. I think for him the big thing is how does he do in those agility tests, because you know, cutting back against the grain, changing the angle of his runs seems to be a problem for him on film.

Yeah, And I think with Scatibow, you got to look more towards the three cone and you got to look more towards the show. He is what he is running straight ahead. I mean, he is a guy who seems to invite contact. He seems to be a guy who really enjoys doling out the punishment. But when you watch him on film, he loses a lot of momentum trying to come back. He has to get himself oftentimes he's off balance. So I think for Scattabot, you hit it right on the hammer he's a low four to six guy. I mean, he's not a guy that's gonna beat defenders into daylight with foot speed, or beat him into the open field with foot speed, or run the daylight. I think for him the big thing is how does he do in those agility tests, because you know, cutting back against the grain, changing the angle of his runs seems to be a problem for him on film.

How's your gout, Jordan James gonna run Tony, he's one of your favorites. How do you think he's gonna do?

How's your gout, Jordan James gonna run Tony, he's one of your favorites. How do you think he's gonna do?

Very explosive. I'd be surprised if he's slower than a four five one four five two. But he's just a guy who is super explosive on film.

Very explosive. I'd be surprised if he's slower than a four five one four five two. But he's just a guy who is super explosive on film.

Anyone else on offense that you want to touch on Tony before we jump over to the defensive side of the.

Anyone else on offense that you want to touch on Tony before we jump over to the defensive side of the.

Ball, Trevor at m I mean of Georgia, who's you know, entered the draft off of somewhat disappointing season. But you watch the film, he looks fast, he's got the first you know, maybe he's not a low four to four guy, but that ten split should be very you know, very explosive. And again the agilities, the three cone the short shuttle. You would expect good times. Trivia ten needs good times because that's his game. His game is cutting back against the grain. His game is altering at angles of runs multiple times during a single carry.

Ball, Trevor at m I mean of Georgia, who's you know, entered the draft off of somewhat disappointing season. But you watch the film, he looks fast, he's got the first you know, maybe he's not a low four to four guy, but that ten split should be very you know, very explosive. And again the agilities, the three cone the short shuttle. You would expect good times. Trivia ten needs good times because that's his game. His game is cutting back against the grain. His game is altering at angles of runs multiple times during a single carry.

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Let's combine them, all right?

Let's combine them, all right?

Talk to me. Who are you keeping an eye on here?

Talk to me. Who are you keeping an eye on here?

Well, you know, Mikhael Williams, he's a speed rusher. He's gonna have to test very well. He's not the biggest guy in the world. Kenneth Grant, I'm excited to see. I mean, he looks very athletic on film. Did the numbers match the athleticism on film? And you know, a big defensive tackle as we've seen, you want to get close to that five five second flat number, if not quicker than that. You know, you want to see what does Kenneth Grant weigh in at how fast is he? How athletic is he? And again with these guys, it's more, you know, the ten split with the big guys than it is the forty times, But the forty time is a measure of athleticism. Tih Leek Williams, I mean, is he three hundred and twenty pounds? Is he hire more than three twenty pounds? How is he testing? He was expected to be about three hundred twenty three hundred and twenty two pounds in the offseason. A guy who's gonna get under five to two, which is an outstanding number. Landon Jackson, I mean again, two hundred and seventy two, almost two hundred and eighty pounds, How fast? How athletic is he? You look at Derek Harmon, what is he going to weigh in up? Because he was not at the Senior Bowl. Nick Scalurton, who spoke about during our mock first round draft the show, what is he weigh in at versus what he's testing? And of course Michael Green as well.

Well, you know, Mikhael Williams, he's a speed rusher. He's gonna have to test very well. He's not the biggest guy in the world. Kenneth Grant, I'm excited to see. I mean, he looks very athletic on film. Did the numbers match the athleticism on film? And you know, a big defensive tackle as we've seen, you want to get close to that five five second flat number, if not quicker than that. You know, you want to see what does Kenneth Grant weigh in at how fast is he? How athletic is he? And again with these guys, it's more, you know, the ten split with the big guys than it is the forty times, But the forty time is a measure of athleticism. Tih Leek Williams, I mean, is he three hundred and twenty pounds? Is he hire more than three twenty pounds? How is he testing? He was expected to be about three hundred twenty three hundred and twenty two pounds in the offseason. A guy who's gonna get under five to two, which is an outstanding number. Landon Jackson, I mean again, two hundred and seventy two, almost two hundred and eighty pounds, How fast? How athletic is he? You look at Derek Harmon, what is he going to weigh in up? Because he was not at the Senior Bowl. Nick Scalurton, who spoke about during our mock first round draft the show, what is he weigh in at versus what he's testing? And of course Michael Green as well.

Yeah, look, I want to see how will MIKEL. Williams test Tony Is I gotta be honest with you, Where I watch him on, I don't see like a super explosive, twitchy guy. I want to see how he moves and test. That to me is important. And you're talking about guys that I think are trying to prove something and improve their stock from doubts. I think two guys that are undersized defensive tackles, Walter Nolan out of Ole, miss and TJ. Sanders out of South Carolina. They're both two hundred and eighty something pound defensive tackles. If you're gonna be a two hundred and eighty something pound defensive tackle, you better look really athletic. You better move. Those guys better test really well, or I think the red flag about their size will go up. The flag bowle just a little bit more.

Yeah, look, I want to see how will MIKEL. Williams test Tony Is I gotta be honest with you, Where I watch him on, I don't see like a super explosive, twitchy guy. I want to see how he moves and test. That to me is important. And you're talking about guys that I think are trying to prove something and improve their stock from doubts. I think two guys that are undersized defensive tackles, Walter Nolan out of Ole, miss and TJ. Sanders out of South Carolina. They're both two hundred and eighty something pound defensive tackles. If you're gonna be a two hundred and eighty something pound defensive tackle, you better look really athletic. You better move. Those guys better test really well, or I think the red flag about their size will go up. The flag bowle just a little bit more.

And Sanders on film looks athletic guy. Sanders is a guy who on film he will chase the action down field and catch plays. I agree with you. I mean, you don't see Walter Nolan's showing the ability to get out in space, move out, laddering and pursue pursue the action. You know, Dion Walker. I mean we saw him at the Senior Bawl. I thought it was a complete dud. I thought it was what he was really overweighting, out of shape? Does he tested the combine? And how does he tested the combine? Ashton Gillette of Louisville, It's going to be an interesting guy to watch. Not expected to run all that fast, low four eights high four to seven. So he's two hundred and seventy five pounds and if he doesn't test well, but you watch the film where he's just an explosive defensive lineman, you know where is he going to go? And what position is he going to play? Is the defensive end? Is he a three technique tackle? So I think Jelattie, I keep saying Gillette, Ashton Gelott is going to be an interesting guy to watch as far as his testing is concerned.

And Sanders on film looks athletic guy. Sanders is a guy who on film he will chase the action down field and catch plays. I agree with you. I mean, you don't see Walter Nolan's showing the ability to get out in space, move out, laddering and pursue pursue the action. You know, Dion Walker. I mean we saw him at the Senior Bawl. I thought it was a complete dud. I thought it was what he was really overweighting, out of shape? Does he tested the combine? And how does he tested the combine? Ashton Gillette of Louisville, It's going to be an interesting guy to watch. Not expected to run all that fast, low four eights high four to seven. So he's two hundred and seventy five pounds and if he doesn't test well, but you watch the film where he's just an explosive defensive lineman, you know where is he going to go? And what position is he going to play? Is the defensive end? Is he a three technique tackle? So I think Jelattie, I keep saying Gillette, Ashton Gelott is going to be an interesting guy to watch as far as his testing is concerned.

Yeah, and that might determine where they want to play him too, Right? Is he an end? Is he a tackle?

Yeah, and that might determine where they want to play him too, Right? Is he an end? Is he a tackle?

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Where do you put him on that defense? In front? I'm with you. I think Dion Walker and how he moves and tests, how in shape does he look to be? Quite frankly, when they do the measuring and all that sort of stuff, I think that's going to be a big deal. Yeah, I'm with you. And look, it's a good group and this is kind of where guys can try to separate themselves. No one's taking any more snaps, no one's playing any more games, there's no more All Star games. So so many of these guys are gonna be packed in Tony from pick like fifteen to fifty on the defensive line, fifteen to sixty, fifteen to seventy. This is an opportunity for all these guys to try to separate themselves at least a little bit with how they measure and how they test.

Where do you put him on that defense? In front? I'm with you. I think Dion Walker and how he moves and tests, how in shape does he look to be? Quite frankly, when they do the measuring and all that sort of stuff, I think that's going to be a big deal. Yeah, I'm with you. And look, it's a good group and this is kind of where guys can try to separate themselves. No one's taking any more snaps, no one's playing any more games, there's no more All Star games. So so many of these guys are gonna be packed in Tony from pick like fifteen to fifty on the defensive line, fifteen to sixty, fifteen to seventy. This is an opportunity for all these guys to try to separate themselves at least a little bit with how they measure and how they test.

Yeah, and again, you know, how are these if are these guys going to test? I mean Shamark Turner of Texas, A and M had a story on him. He had a fracture in a shiny played through it. They put a put a rod in his shin. That's why he didn't play at the Senior Bowl. Don't know if he's gonna be able to work out. And that's a guy that can impact the early portion, if not late first round, that at least early part of day two. So it's important to keep an eye on him.

Yeah, and again, you know, how are these if are these guys going to test? I mean Shamark Turner of Texas, A and M had a story on him. He had a fracture in a shiny played through it. They put a put a rod in his shin. That's why he didn't play at the Senior Bowl. Don't know if he's gonna be able to work out. And that's a guy that can impact the early portion, if not late first round, that at least early part of day two. So it's important to keep an eye on him.

Yeah, and then I think Shamar Turner is the other Samar like, he has to test great because he has.

Yeah, and then I think Shamar Turner is the other Samar like, he has to test great because he has.

Literally Sjamar Stewart.

Literally Sjamar Stewart.

You mean, yeah, what I say, Turner, Yeah, Stewart very little production. So and he looks like an unbelievable athlete on tape at his size. So he's gonna have to test, I think, really well in order for people to be more willing to look past that lack of production. And then Prince vi Uman Mialen, who I thought was disappointing at the Senior Bowl, can he tests really well to kind of boost the stock a little bit up? All right?

You mean, yeah, what I say, Turner, Yeah, Stewart very little production. So and he looks like an unbelievable athlete on tape at his size. So he's gonna have to test, I think, really well in order for people to be more willing to look past that lack of production. And then Prince vi Uman Mialen, who I thought was disappointing at the Senior Bowl, can he tests really well to kind of boost the stock a little bit up? All right?

Now he is, and he just you know, go back to what I said about expectations. He's a guy that is expected to run in the four sixes, in the mid four sixes, that's what they expect him to run. So you got to watch when he tests, if he tests, how fast does he run? Because you mentioned how he was disappointing at the Senior Bowl. I mean, he's a guy that has disappointed a lot throughout his career. He should be much better than he is. He should be much more productive, much more consistent, I think, is the best way to put it. And if he goes in and he lays ada combine he's running the mid four sevens, that's gonna hurt him.

Now he is, and he just you know, go back to what I said about expectations. He's a guy that is expected to run in the four sixes, in the mid four sixes, that's what they expect him to run. So you got to watch when he tests, if he tests, how fast does he run? Because you mentioned how he was disappointing at the Senior Bowl. I mean, he's a guy that has disappointed a lot throughout his career. He should be much better than he is. He should be much more productive, much more consistent, I think, is the best way to put it. And if he goes in and he lays ada combine he's running the mid four sevens, that's gonna hurt him.

Yeah, all right, let's go to the edge outside linebacker position. Here, Tony, you have these groups combined. And again al Duel Carter, I think the victation is that he's gonna test off the charts. We'll see if it's Michael Parson's levels off the chart. Jaylen Walker, I think another guy that people expect to test extremely well. Same for James Pierce. These are all the smaller two hundred and forty pound edge players that they're not gonna go with size, They're not gonna go with power. They're gonna have to go with athleticism. So all three of those guys, Tony I'll throw Olo Femi Oladjo into that makes though these two hundred and sixty one pounds, he's bigger. These are guys they're gonna have to test really well if they're gonna go as high as people think in the draft.

Yeah, all right, let's go to the edge outside linebacker position. Here, Tony, you have these groups combined. And again al Duel Carter, I think the victation is that he's gonna test off the charts. We'll see if it's Michael Parson's levels off the chart. Jaylen Walker, I think another guy that people expect to test extremely well. Same for James Pierce. These are all the smaller two hundred and forty pound edge players that they're not gonna go with size, They're not gonna go with power. They're gonna have to go with athleticism. So all three of those guys, Tony I'll throw Olo Femi Oladjo into that makes though these two hundred and sixty one pounds, he's bigger. These are guys they're gonna have to test really well if they're gonna go as high as people think in the draft.

And again, you know, are they two forty or that they come into two fifty. And if they come in at two fifty, you know, how how do they test. One thing the combine has changed is they weigh these guys and measure these guys right before they work out, because the.

And again, you know, are they two forty or that they come into two fifty. And if they come in at two fifty, you know, how how do they test. One thing the combine has changed is they weigh these guys and measure these guys right before they work out, because the.

Old like by the way, I think that's the right way to do it so you can get the water. That's that's you have to do it that way.

Old like by the way, I think that's the right way to do it so you can get the water. That's that's you have to do it that way.

And I never understand how you can put on so much water where you know you're gonna fight, you're gonna drink five pounds. Well, I never understood it. But you know, that's what they used to do is they would pack on the water the drink to put on extra weight before weigh ends, and then the workouts would be two days later. So they so you know, to your point about the top guys Dull Carter, Jalen Walker, James Pierce, expecting to you know, blow the roof off what they're testing. You know, how much do they weigh? Are they the two forty as you just said, or are they a little bit heavier. I think some of the guys that you got to watch for forty times into testing, Kyle Canard of South Carolina and Donovan is Rupa of Boston College. These guys are not great athletes, but they're outstanding football players. And I mean, you know, he's a zooka two hundred and forty eight pounds. Is he going to get onto that four to seven times? What is his ten split? Because again, you know it's a ten split. He's not running forty yards, he gets the quarterback. He's running, you know, five to six yards, he gets the quarterback. Same thing with Canard. Canard is expected to be a guy that going to run in the four eights? Can he beat that? He looks fast in a four to eight on film?