M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl ill two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the backs of diamond eyed school children who grew into hymnals recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO chariots to keep the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, opal Brown courts, bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of jim see king told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass is. And the ancestors told me that you would come to give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come dropping Dropping the Gem. Welcome back. This is the Dropping Gems Podcast. I'm your host, DeBie Brown. And as you may be able to tell already, UM, I have a cold, so my voice is a little crazy. UM. I'm the mom of a four year old to just turn four year old. And for any parents that are listening to you, when your kid is in school, you catch every preschool germ, cold bug that those little babies have to offer. So this was my week to get that. It's been really interesting not having a voice, but here I am and here we are, and for this episode of Dropping Gems, I'm really excited to share with you more of my work that you can connect with. So, as many of you already know, I serve as the Chief Impact Officer at Chopra Global and choper Global is an incredible spirituality mindfulness company that has been a leader in the space for many, many decades. We have some incredible global retreats and events, incredible teacher certification programs UM and it's all based on the life's work of Dr d Pak Chopra Ebo. Chobra changed my life and the way that I first found the journey of meditation was the Chopra's Center and going on my first retreat with them over ten years ago, everything in my life changed for the better. So it's such an honor to be full circle and working with the company the last two years and really expanding our reach, expanding our audience UM, diversifying wellness in so many ways. It is beautiful, beautiful UM and something I'm excited to share with you today is we launched at the top of the year program called Journey to well Being Chop. So we have an amazing app that I lead daily meditation on and there's so many gorgeous meditations and quizzes and tools for mindfulness and well being. So Journey to Well Being is a one year program where every month we have a special guest that is focusing on teaching a different concept or on bringing you some piece, some deepening of an awareness around different categories. And so the month of May, I am your guide. So I'm the host for May, and we are focused on work, specifically coming back into the workplace, reimagining ourselves, the new version of us and who we became in the pandemic, and then really being able to live these SCons of us in every capacity, including in the workplace. So I lead a six part meditation series with an app dedicated to this. It's so beautiful. And we also have a workbook that's available where I guide you through different journal prompts, different thought processes, and specifically in this series, we're connecting to not just work in terms of our purpose and the way to show up. So that's a big part of it. But we're also speaking to ways that we can really honor and command our well being. So this will also include ways that you can advocate for yourself at work, ways that you can really prioritize your well being not just when you're off the clock, but while you're there, and also really specific ways that you can set boundaries for yourself, co workers, for your boss. Yes, we're going that deep how well being can manifest in our lives and in our working space. And I think it's really important to be having this conversation now. We never had a chance to prioritize our mental or spiritual and our emotional health at work. We were caught up in such a law long system, hundreds of years of the American style of the work day or what means. It's a really beautiful time to challenge that to create spaces that are not just more affirming for us so that that's huge, but spaces that really honor the fact that we give the majority of our lives over to what we do for work, to provide for ourselves. I'm just so grateful to be able to release this program into the world. Big thank you to Daniel Sneto, someone I have had on the podcast and they are just absolutely brilliant in every way for teacher, they're a facilitator, and we both work together to create this program. And so I want to share with you a conversation that Daniel and I had this week at the launch of the program. And if you'd like to join this program, Journey to well Being, connect with the month a month of work. Your able to get much of this content for free. You can download our app It's called Chopra in your app store. Were available on Android and iOS. That is where I leave daily medication. You can also um find it on chopper dot com or just go to my Instagram page to take a second right now Instagram um at Debbie Brown on Instagram and if you click in my Lincoln Bio really simple, you'll be able to pull up the Journey to well Being and sign up for my program there. So I hope you'll love it. I hope you enjoyed this conversation where we really dive deep into what are the processes that will be boring and what are some tools you can right now to create not a work life balance, but a life work balance. Positioning your life as the most important part of your human experience, So big, thanks, take a listen, got some so work at the end. Let's just take a moment to transition away from whatever it was that we were all doing prior to this moment, to be in space together. If it's comfortable and easeful to do so, you're all welcome to close your eyes or to just sit in space, softening your gaze a little bit. We'll just take three full breaths to get rounded together. Let's find a nice deep breath in, steady breath out, maybe taking two more of those at your own page. I don't know when you're ready returning to our container that we're holding together. Um. For those of you just arriving today, my name is Daniel, and my pronouns are they then, and there's and I am here with Debbie. Um. I'm gonna read a little bit about Debbie because dev is incredible. So Debbie Brown uh stre's as the You Impact Officer at Roper Global and it's the voice of daily meditation on the Troper Wellness app. Dettie is a well being educator, author of Crystal Bliss, founder of Karma Bliss, a founding board member of the Mental Wealth Alliance post of Black Effect Network podcast Dropping Gens. A season broadcaster and multimodality healing practitioner, Detty is awesome for it's a spiritual connection meant to aid in the healing of intergenerational trauma and internal liberation. Her work is rooted in weaving ancient and modern practices into tangible healing tools that are in support of emotional growth and radical self up. We're in the presence of greatness. Thank you for being here, Debbie. I would love to invite your voice into this space and to introduce yourself in all the incredible ways you show up in this world. Thank you so much, and thank you for having me. And it's always like and just I I am such a deep, deep admire of your work and all that you bring to the world. And so whenever I get to be in conversation with you, and I know some people that have popped on have been able to be with us in community on Clubhouse or previously here, but it is, I mean, it is such a deep joy to be with you today to talk about our journey to well being. Yeah, yeah, so it's gonna be so I'm super start to be here I'm super excited to always be in conversation with you. But um, as many of you or some of you might know, we're doing a Journey to well being and each month new content comes out that is free for the month that aligns to a certain theme. UM And so the Journey to well Being is really unique because each month there's an opportunity to connect with a facilitator that you might have not connected it before. There's an opportunity to dive into new exploration and topics that you might have already explored in kind of a new way. And we also have a lot of new resources at Chopra, like the workbook that Debbie and I worked on together, which I'm super excited to talk about. There's the meditations on the Chopra app and then there's an article usually that comes out a line to the theme. And so if you're not for the to the Journey to well Being, I highly highly encourage you to check out the Journey to well Being program on the Chopra app. UM. So this month, what we're talking about is work. So the title of the program is called Journey to well Being Work and something that we have been in conversation about Debbie, is how this theme is really present in the world right now, specifically aligned to UM just the way we're moving through workspaces as things change and shift. And so I wonder if you would talk a little bit about or or share a little bit about your experience of how this program kind of resonates in your world and how you relate to the content that that's being shared of this month, you know it, I feel like we're in such um we're in such a powerful time, and we're in such a very important time when it comes to the way that we relate to work. I think we're in the midst of a shift in a way that, um, it's going to change everything about our reality kind of in society and in our personal lives in a way that hasn't happened in a couple hundred years. Like the last time there was a real workplace revolution, it was closer to the turn of last century. You know, when you think of Harry Henry Ford and you think of the the modeling of creating a work day, you know, and what the hours for that are and what constitutes work, and you think of this kind of more assembly process or this in service to a business or corporation, and that created our structure, and no one, you know, we haven't had a chance to really come up for air and say, but is this still working for me? You know, is this actually working for our society? And I think that, you know, because of the pandemic and and and the space that we were all in for really the last two and a half years, coming out of it, having had to adapt in so many ways so quickly to new experiences, going from for so many working at home too, I mean working out in the world to working at home, to working at home while you're also in your personal space living your life very oftentimes for some that meant being a full time caretaker for your children and still trying to have the same amount of output in your work life. Like I think, there's a lot of questions that are coming up for a lot of us, and they have been, but now that we are we've kind of societially decided to move forward. We have this experience of people are leaving their jobs at the highest number ever in working history. You know, there's this great resignation, this this movement for that people are also saying, you know, what actually worked better? When I'm feeling the most authentic when I'm in my own space in my house that I'm able to focus on my work. And then there's also pressure to return to work, and some people, you know, just don't feel ready for that, and that's their choice that you know they deserve to have. And so there's just a lot of questions, and there's whenever there's questions present, whenever there is the energy of inquiry present, it really allows for us to just not just have these paradigm ships we're noticing in the world, but have these deep paradigm ships that are happening inside of our bodies that will affect our family systems for generations. So you know, when we um and I just have to say, for those that have opened it, like, I love the work we did Daniel on this workbook. I love the work we did. Both of us were committed to going deep. You know. I think for a long time to view has been like, all right, I gotta figure out a work life balance. And you know something you and I were really intentional about. We're like, we gotta shift this to a life work balance. What is in service to the soul? What is the service to the being to the person first and from that viewpoint, we're able to then add in the working life and the life of you know, whatever ambitions or present or whatever whatever dharma is present. Um. So yeah, in this program, I think what we're really exploring through the six part meditation series and also through the workbook, is how do you get to define for yourself what your work life is going to feel like that that piece of our lives that we spend the majority of our lives doing. M Yeah, there's so much and what you've shared and something that you said at the very beginning was we finally haven't we haven't had rather a chance to come up for air. In you know, work was kind of structured in a certain way in a forty hour work week was accepted as the norm, and so somehow over the course of however, many decades, that shifted to more like fifty six seventy work weeks. And what the pandemic started to do was kind of shed light on on a work work system that never worked for the human first. It was never never put us as human beings first. And like you said, something that's explored in the Workbook and in the series the meditation series on the app is how to put your personhood first, because at the end of the day, we are all more than our our job title. We are all more than our ability to produce that day. We are all more than whatever our work is is telling us that we are. And so something that I really appreciated about working on this with you was was that it wasn't going to be just grazing the surface. We were going to go deep and we were going to start to ask those really important questions of how do I create a life and enter my work in when it feels good? And something that you've shared, UM, I'm not sure if you shared here on on Chopra uh the I G live sphere, I suppose, but something that you shared with me that I found really really impactful and really powerful is how you in your personal life recognized when that shift happened. And I believe it happened before the pandemic, right. I know you're working in the sphere UM far before, but I'd love to hear about what you notice in your life, UM, when you started to create a person first and your personhood first kind of experience in your world and how that shifted your relationship to your work. Ah, thank you for that question, and instantly something came up that I don't think I've even expressed before in any way. But to be quite honest, when I first started shifting too more of self value first, more than my value for output or my value in my titles or the way that I was being perceived, um, instantaneously, it actually brought up an immense amount of fear, you know. But one thing I really want to convey and and this this six part meditation series. It's powerful. This workbook is powerful. But know that the ease comes after the initial excavation. So there might be things that come up for you as you're listening to this series as you're attempting the workbook, because it is so counterintuitive to everything that has been ingrained in us our entire lives, and everything that has been ingrained in our parents and their parents. We are re establishing a way, um, we are creating what it is to be in our human expression at this moment in time. And so there's this comfort us with everything else. You do something that's new, it's uncomfortable, you know. As humans biologically like we have this system and is for predictive response, like being able to kind of look at things and predict what's next, and that's how we feel comfortable about attempting new things or stretching ourselves. So when I started on this journey, even when I left, you know, when I when I left my um more traditional workplace for the first time, I left because my body physically shut down, Like I ended up getting shingles, I ended up having UM, I was losing hair, I was in pain, like stress was breaking havoc on my body. And even though I knew that to be true and I didn't want that, it still took me two years to even feel comfortable in this new ease that I designed for myself. So there is a period of disarmament as we moved through this process of personal growth, as we reimagine and create for the first time, like what our flow of life will be. UM, so grace for that. Everyone, Just oh like there, even when you're doing have been good for yourself, even when you are like building the dream life, you're also on programming. You know, you also have to unpack so much of what you put on in your beliefs and your systems that is not for your highest good, that is no longer true. So just now is that part starts to come up some of the maybe felt anxiety or that maybe felt um. For me, it brought forward when I when I first moved into wellness for time, for full time, it did bring forward a lot of anxiety, a lot of depression of trying to understand. I know I'm called to live in a different way, but trying it on and making it real and making it true. It's stretching in ways that are really uncomfortable. UM. But I think that I guess to come back, because I'm a long talker. To come back to answering that question is that, you know, start start with some of the smaller, more tangible pieces. And that's something we go over in our workbook quite a bit, which can be you know, for me, when I noticed the ship needed to to be made, but I wasn't ready to leave my career system yet, I just started carving out extra time in my work day. So in my lunch break, I would go sit in my car in the garage of the building that I worked at, and I would try my meditations that I was learning. You know, I would listen actually to dpox voice and I would put him on the loop in my car through the through the system and I would just close my eyes and I'd say, I don't know what any of this is. I don't really know what it's doing, but I'm going to follow it, you know. And I just did that day after day. And a few things that it taught me. One it began to regulate my emotional system. I was now equipped with a new tool that was given very clear physical response to my body that was benefiting me. So I said, Okay, I don't always want to do it. It It doesn't always feel natural, but let me keep going, you know. And I think too, it taught me how to even create time for myself. Part of the discomfort is that we have been trained to deliver, We've been trained to have output. You know. In the years leading up to the pandemic, let's not forget that, for several years we were thrust into a new work um, into a new type of work experience which was actually do more for less money. There was a huge wave of layoffs that happened before kind of in the pandemic and a lot of industries, and there was a huge wave of people one person filling two to three positions and it was just expected in the norm. So we had that big build up before we moved into the pandemic. And so sometimes even learning how to create a structure to have time where you don't feel bad because you're not doing something, that's the big part of the journey too. And so by setting that appointment for myself every day in my lunch break, I began, I began to teach myself, um, how to feel with myself when I wasn't performing, when I wasn't doing, when I wasn't filling a role. Yeah, that is so everything that you've shared, and so many people are resonating with what you're sharing because because we all have been so conditioned I think to just be producing and to not make appointments with ourselves, to not carve out time and our schedules for ourselves. And that's what I think this program, that's what it really does, is it gives you permission to make time in your schedule for yourself, because at the utmost uh importance is you, and oftentimes, especially during you know, nine to five hours specifically, which is considered our work day Monday through Friday, we don't um carve out time for ourselves simply to be And so I think integrating those practices in Like you said, it's something that we talked about in the workbook a little bit quite a lot actually is space, right, making space for yourself and giving yourself that permission because that puts you first knowing that you are more than your production and you are something outside of of that workspere um. Yeah, asking in the in the chat, and I would love to hear from you on this is how did you carve out more time beyond your lunch hour or beyond your lunch Yeah, like how did your practice start to develop from that space? I love this question. I'm excited to answer this, and I just want to let everyone know for whatever reason, the comments and the questions are frozen for me on my screen. So anybody that is sharing love, thank you so much. Um. Okay, so I'm really even creating a container. And so what I mean when I say that, and some might be very familiar with this term, is that I don't actually have to fully know what and how I'm going to do in my practice, but I commit to the container. I commit to the time there's something that I started doing outside of work, especially now, I will say, you know, building our supportive practice. It's always evolving. So some stuff that I did at the beginning of my journey is not at all what I'm doing now. So I'll speak to my my some of my more recent expression of this. But you know, I create the container. I say, where can I find more time for me? Something that was really powerful? Um, And this may not be for everyone, so take what sleep what doesn't. But I I made the choice to really cut television and film completely out of my life. And I did that for about two years. So the whole time that we were in the pandemic, UM, I just took TV off the table for me because I knew that that was something that could be a coping mechanism for me. Whatever I used to be stressed out. If I had a really long day, I'd be like, I just don't want to think, and I would put something on TV just to have ambient noise or just to kind of be mindless with. And I needed to create more headspace for myself, UM that that didn't also include random influences, So I decided to find that extra I'm also a working mother of a young child, so to find that extra time for myself, the time I would have given to myself before bed with television. I decided is my container. So every day for one to two hours at the end of my days, when I would do a lot of my spiritual practice, I would just say this is the time I have. I would put on really some beautiful instrumentation and then I would allow myself to do whatever felt necessary. I was building my intuition for what my needs were. And so sometimes that can happen by making yourself a real strategy. So you can create a roadmap by like holding a paper into four, opening it up, labeling it with like mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, you know, homework, self, creativity, whatever are the categories that you want to kind of think into, and then we can keep you a little short list of what can I do that feels like fuel for myself? In each category you know what feels serving, and it doesn't have to always be I am going to commit to that meditation for thirty minutes to an hour, highly suggest because there's nothing more incredible in divine and meditation practice. But also it can mean, as you're getting started, I'm going to commit to sipping my tea or coffee in silence. I'm going to commit in that physical category or in that self category. I'm gonna five fine, five to thirty minutes to just take a walk just because, and and not walk fast. You know, notice like can I slow down? Am I moving fast? Because That's what I'm used to, But is it actually necessary? You know? Um? So when I was filling that container for me, what felt really good is I said, Okay, I have an hour or two hours after my my beautiful son is asleep to just be with myself. And I use that time to put on a little music, to kind of move my body as I wanted to, to to meditate, to always go into meditation for me, um, get really still get quiet, and then to journal and to just have released the thought to just start expressing. Um, to have that t that maybe I don't make time for through the rest of my day because I'm moving. But I'll make that cup. I'll drink it slow. Um, I'll be yanga, you know. And I your veda, this, this self massage, this luxuriating with self. You know, be intentional when you are even just doing what you naturally do as a human each day, like cleansing your body. Is there a way to be more intentional with that? Can you spend more time with that body. Can you slow down as your lotioning and just really say, gosh, I'm grateful that I'm alive. I'm grateful no matter how you're feeling about the physicality or the appearance of your body, being grateful that this supports my humanity, that this is, you know, the house of my soul. Can I just connect with that knowing? Um, and so so create the container for everyone. It's different because we all have different responsibilities and experiences. But you come up with what that amount of time is wearing your day could possibly potentially fit and then make it fun. This is your opportunity to like experiment on yourself, to kind of like put on your scientific hat. What's working? What is it now? I don't like that that is not my jam. I'm like, that's not for my wellness routine. Oh but this really is. Or Hey, I found that I may not do spirituality in the way that I'm seeing online, but need closing my eyes and just drawing in silence and seeing what I make and what that means to me. That can be a spiritual practice. Um. But giving yourself license, giving yourself the freedom to get creative with you and your need, your container is unique. It's unique to you. It's unique to how you want to do things and how you want to show up in the world. And I think that what they ask piece that you shared about that doesn't feel great for my wellness practice, but this feels really good. It's like, um, we we often label certain things that maybe work for someone else and not for us as failure. It's not necessarily failure. It's all exploration like you shared. So yeah, I think these opportunities to create and recreate and rediscover it reimagine like it's all. It's all so thank you for naming all of that. It's so beautiful. Um yeah. Yeah, and and a lot of this. So one of the one of the sessions in the program is all about creativity at work. It's all about learning to be created in your work day and what that might look like. So yeah, I think bringing it back to the program on the Chopra app, Um, all of these things that Debbie Dedie is sharing, this wisdom that just like emanates out of you. It's amazing. Um. All of this wisdom is shared in the program on the app that you can listen to this month. Um. And a lot of these tools that have been shared are written out in the workbook, And I wonder if there's anything that you'd like to specifically talk about in the workbook, um, because I think that's one of the most powerful and unique resources that I've seen Choper offering is this extra tool that gives people a tangible resource to be able to use throughout the wellness practice. So is there anything in specific lines to the workbook that really stood out to you or that you're really excited about offering? Oh my gosh, the whole workbook. Honestly, like I wasn't even look for everyone watching, just like a little kind of behind the scenes for you. Daniel and I were in fold to light like craftiness workbooks were like what else would feel so amazing? What do we wish we could have known? You know? It was just like it was such a beautiful opportunity to create this space. Um. Do you know what? It's something that really something that I feel so proud about about this workbook is a lot of the depth that we're getting in some of our journal prompting. So we do share quite a bit of self inquiry in this workbook, and you know, we're we're going sometimes into the depths of like how am I experiencing myself at work? And what ways am I supported and not supported at work? And then how do I come into choice in that space? You know something that I think um, that I think about quite a bit, that you know, I would love to share as something to hold as you're in your workspace and even if there are triggers coming up in what this new transition in this new world and this new life look like. Is as with everything else in life, like our work life is part of our spiritual journey, the way we react the experiences that we're having. There's always opportunity. So even if you think of some of the dramas at work, some of the ways that you're in discord with the people that you work with or your boss, or the way that things are happening, it's so important to kind of put on a spiritual lens and say, is there anywhere else in my life? I know this this pattern? Is there anywhere else in my life? Like this is just a work thing. When did I first feel this way? Interacting with people? You know, it helps take some of the charge out because it is easy for us, especially as work growing, to come into judgment of others. Um, you know, there is this experience and we've all felt it at different times. I'm doing the work on myself. Why can't you just do your work? Why can't you like come on, Like, we're all in different paths, and we all have different paths. We all have different things that have happened to us or that we've experienced that sometimes no one will ever know about that shape who we are in the workplace, that shape who we are at home. And so you know, the more that we can turn that gaze inward, the more how we're able to emanate in ourselves, and the more um space we're able to come into in ourselves for what is actually aligned for us, you know. And and also sometimes that does mean finding new workplaces. Sometimes that does mean like you know, not always making the people that we work with our pseudo family or pseudo friends, like really filling our lives with that need and that longing and other ways. Um. So there's so many things to explore, and for each of us it's unique. But I think in our workbook, like a lot of that journal prompting that we offer a lot of that I'll just be in flow with. Yeah, Yeah, it's really, it's a really robust work book. Um. Yeah, there's there's uh something that you shared that is reflective. A lot of the content offered this month, And someone asked, is the is the app itself free? The content for Journey to well Being is free for the month, and so this month Journey to well Being work with Debby Brown is free, So you can sign up for the app and practice that. Next month there will be another program with a different theme and so on and so forth. Um. But specific in regards to this, the reason that this Journey to well Being is really expansive is because it hits kind of all the facets of our lives and some so often our work is separate or seen as separate from our spiritual practice. But like you just mentioned, Deabtie, our work is part of our spiritual practice. Whether our work is in a spiritual realm or not. Whether you're a meditation teacher or you work in an office setting somewhere or our corporate setting somewhere, your work is your spiritual practice because we are multifaceted beings all of the time. And so I think that I think that that is really highlighted in this workbook, in this program um, so, yeah, thank you for sharing that. And I'm recognizing the time is for thirty and so or four thirty from me one for you. I don't know where else anyone is the world, but I would love to hear if there's anything else you'd like to share before I give folks an opportunity to connect with the app. Um, anything else that's coming up for you regarding this program or anything that's on your heart. Mm hmm yeah, I think you know, give yourself permission to even move slowly through this. And so this month May we are focused on work and the journey to well being, and so that is the information that we're sharing in this container of May. But it's also something that you can hold onto as you download this workbook, as you listen to the meditations, they'll continue to be available, and so start taking notes now. And and it's not necessarily by the end of the month that you're going to come into this new way being. We're starting that internal dialogue with you, we're starting that conversation that practice, but you don't have to race through it, and you don't have to idealize a profess action at the end or a whole new way of being at the end the seed is being planned, if the awareness is coming in, give yourself grace, go gently, but keep going, you know, and work with this workbook. Maybe over the next year, you know, maybe begin some some of the inquiry now and the next month to do it again and see if there's something new that's come up. But you're not on a race. You cannot get this right or wrong. It's just it. It's all right, you know, it's all right. However it manifests, so you know, and if there's moments in this in this process, because we did really intentionally go a little bit deeper with this one, you know, so if there is any charge coming up, or if there is you know, a moment, you need to give yourself to really process and and and allow yourself the dignity of your individual process. Do that too, Take breaks, move slowly, keep going. Wow, thank you for that reminder. It's so important, especially in the grand scheme. It's all always evolving, So thank you for that reminder. I think it's like you said, it's always going to be available. While it's being that's most present this month for for the choper app, It's always going to be available and so definitely continue your journey at a pace that feels right for you. Keep revisiting, keep exploring. UM you can download the you can get the workbook on if you sign up for the Journey to well Being, it comes through an email for you UM and if you go to Choper dot com backslash journey, you should be able to access all of the resources for Journey to well Being. UM. So all that said, I just wanted to send a big thank you to you, Debbie. It's always a joy being in space with you. The Journey to well Being work program is available in the Chopra app UM as part of the Journey to well Being experienced and if you sign up. I believe the link is in the bio for Choper if you sign up through that, or you can download the Choper app at your app store and sign up through there. So yeah, big love to you, deVie. Thank you so so much for being here and for sharing all of your wisdom. It is always a joy to be in space with you. Always grateful for you and always loving me. Daniel, thank you so much. Thank you they loved everyone out there, Thanks for joining today. They good care all right. I hope you enjoy that amazing conversation I was able to have with Daniel Senneto. Love Daniel, love what we're doing at Choprah, love the Journey to well being, and love this work program. I am so proud of it. I hope you'll connect to it. We try to really go deep. No, this is this is for someone that wants to get a little past just you know, maybe some of the positive thinking and implement real structure to have the change that you deserve to have in your life matter so much more than any title that you possess. And so let's position ourselves accordingly that your soul work today is connect on the app. Connect on the app, get connected to some of the free content that we have available. You'll be able to explore this meditation series it's six parts on workplace and also download our app. And once again, if you go to my Instagram page at Deffie Brown, connect there, go to the Lincoln bio. Right in the Lincoln bio of my I G page, you'll be able to join my Journey to well be And you can also um go to Chopper dot com or go directly to the app and sign up. That's Chopra app. In the iOS store for your iPhone and also available for and Roy. Thank you so much for joining Big Love and I'm gonna go drink some tea and work on getting this voice back. Now a stay Hey, find me on social Let's connect at evvy Brown that's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my website Debbie Brown dot com. And if you're listening to the show on Apple Podcasts, please please please don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe and send this episode to a friend. Dropping Jims is the production of I Heart Radio and The Black Effect Network. It's produced by Jack Quease and me Debbie Brown. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl ill two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the backs of diamond eyed school children who grew into hymnals recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO chariots to keep the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, opal Brown courts, bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of jim see king told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass is. And the ancestors told me that you would come to give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come dropping Dropping the Gem. Welcome back. This is the Dropping Gems Podcast. I'm your host, DeBie Brown. And as you may be able to tell already, UM, I have a cold, so my voice is a little crazy. UM. I'm the mom of a four year old to just turn four year old. And for any parents that are listening to you, when your kid is in school, you catch every preschool germ, cold bug that those little babies have to offer. So this was my week to get that. It's been really interesting not having a voice, but here I am and here we are, and for this episode of Dropping Gems, I'm really excited to share with you more of my work that you can connect with. So, as many of you already know, I serve as the Chief Impact Officer at Chopra Global and choper Global is an incredible spirituality mindfulness company that has been a leader in the space for many, many decades. We have some incredible global retreats and events, incredible teacher certification programs UM and it's all based on the life's work of Dr d Pak Chopra Ebo. Chobra changed my life and the way that I first found the journey of meditation was the Chopra's Center and going on my first retreat with them over ten years ago, everything in my life changed for the better. So it's such an honor to be full circle and working with the company the last two years and really expanding our reach, expanding our audience UM, diversifying wellness in so many ways. It is beautiful, beautiful UM and something I'm excited to share with you today is we launched at the top of the year program called Journey to well Being Chop. So we have an amazing app that I lead daily meditation on and there's so many gorgeous meditations and quizzes and tools for mindfulness and well being. So Journey to Well Being is a one year program where every month we have a special guest that is focusing on teaching a different concept or on bringing you some piece, some deepening of an awareness around different categories. And so the month of May, I am your guide. So I'm the host for May, and we are focused on work, specifically coming back into the workplace, reimagining ourselves, the new version of us and who we became in the pandemic, and then really being able to live these SCons of us in every capacity, including in the workplace. So I lead a six part meditation series with an app dedicated to this. It's so beautiful. And we also have a workbook that's available where I guide you through different journal prompts, different thought processes, and specifically in this series, we're connecting to not just work in terms of our purpose and the way to show up. So that's a big part of it. But we're also speaking to ways that we can really honor and command our well being. So this will also include ways that you can advocate for yourself at work, ways that you can really prioritize your well being not just when you're off the clock, but while you're there, and also really specific ways that you can set boundaries for yourself, co workers, for your boss. Yes, we're going that deep how well being can manifest in our lives and in our working space. And I think it's really important to be having this conversation now. We never had a chance to prioritize our mental or spiritual and our emotional health at work. We were caught up in such a law long system, hundreds of years of the American style of the work day or what means. It's a really beautiful time to challenge that to create spaces that are not just more affirming for us so that that's huge, but spaces that really honor the fact that we give the majority of our lives over to what we do for work, to provide for ourselves. I'm just so grateful to be able to release this program into the world. Big thank you to Daniel Sneto, someone I have had on the podcast and they are just absolutely brilliant in every way for teacher, they're a facilitator, and we both work together to create this program. And so I want to share with you a conversation that Daniel and I had this week at the launch of the program. And if you'd like to join this program, Journey to well Being, connect with the month a month of work. Your able to get much of this content for free. You can download our app It's called Chopra in your app store. Were available on Android and iOS. That is where I leave daily medication. You can also um find it on chopper dot com or just go to my Instagram page to take a second right now Instagram um at Debbie Brown on Instagram and if you click in my Lincoln Bio really simple, you'll be able to pull up the Journey to well Being and sign up for my program there. So I hope you'll love it. I hope you enjoyed this conversation where we really dive deep into what are the processes that will be boring and what are some tools you can right now to create not a work life balance, but a life work balance. Positioning your life as the most important part of your human experience, So big, thanks, take a listen, got some so work at the end. Let's just take a moment to transition away from whatever it was that we were all doing prior to this moment, to be in space together. If it's comfortable and easeful to do so, you're all welcome to close your eyes or to just sit in space, softening your gaze a little bit. We'll just take three full breaths to get rounded together. Let's find a nice deep breath in, steady breath out, maybe taking two more of those at your own page. I don't know when you're ready returning to our container that we're holding together. Um. For those of you just arriving today, my name is Daniel, and my pronouns are they then, and there's and I am here with Debbie. Um. I'm gonna read a little bit about Debbie because dev is incredible. So Debbie Brown uh stre's as the You Impact Officer at Roper Global and it's the voice of daily meditation on the Troper Wellness app. Dettie is a well being educator, author of Crystal Bliss, founder of Karma Bliss, a founding board member of the Mental Wealth Alliance post of Black Effect Network podcast Dropping Gens. A season broadcaster and multimodality healing practitioner, Detty is awesome for it's a spiritual connection meant to aid in the healing of intergenerational trauma and internal liberation. Her work is rooted in weaving ancient and modern practices into tangible healing tools that are in support of emotional growth and radical self up. We're in the presence of greatness. Thank you for being here, Debbie. I would love to invite your voice into this space and to introduce yourself in all the incredible ways you show up in this world. Thank you so much, and thank you for having me. And it's always like and just I I am such a deep, deep admire of your work and all that you bring to the world. And so whenever I get to be in conversation with you, and I know some people that have popped on have been able to be with us in community on Clubhouse or previously here, but it is, I mean, it is such a deep joy to be with you today to talk about our journey to well being. Yeah, yeah, so it's gonna be so I'm super start to be here I'm super excited to always be in conversation with you. But um, as many of you or some of you might know, we're doing a Journey to well being and each month new content comes out that is free for the month that aligns to a certain theme. UM And so the Journey to well Being is really unique because each month there's an opportunity to connect with a facilitator that you might have not connected it before. There's an opportunity to dive into new exploration and topics that you might have already explored in kind of a new way. And we also have a lot of new resources at Chopra, like the workbook that Debbie and I worked on together, which I'm super excited to talk about. There's the meditations on the Chopra app and then there's an article usually that comes out a line to the theme. And so if you're not for the to the Journey to well Being, I highly highly encourage you to check out the Journey to well Being program on the Chopra app. UM. So this month, what we're talking about is work. So the title of the program is called Journey to well Being Work and something that we have been in conversation about Debbie, is how this theme is really present in the world right now, specifically aligned to UM just the way we're moving through workspaces as things change and shift. And so I wonder if you would talk a little bit about or or share a little bit about your experience of how this program kind of resonates in your world and how you relate to the content that that's being shared of this month, you know it, I feel like we're in such um we're in such a powerful time, and we're in such a very important time when it comes to the way that we relate to work. I think we're in the midst of a shift in a way that, um, it's going to change everything about our reality kind of in society and in our personal lives in a way that hasn't happened in a couple hundred years. Like the last time there was a real workplace revolution, it was closer to the turn of last century. You know, when you think of Harry Henry Ford and you think of the the modeling of creating a work day, you know, and what the hours for that are and what constitutes work, and you think of this kind of more assembly process or this in service to a business or corporation, and that created our structure, and no one, you know, we haven't had a chance to really come up for air and say, but is this still working for me? You know, is this actually working for our society? And I think that, you know, because of the pandemic and and and the space that we were all in for really the last two and a half years, coming out of it, having had to adapt in so many ways so quickly to new experiences, going from for so many working at home too, I mean working out in the world to working at home, to working at home while you're also in your personal space living your life very oftentimes for some that meant being a full time caretaker for your children and still trying to have the same amount of output in your work life. Like I think, there's a lot of questions that are coming up for a lot of us, and they have been, but now that we are we've kind of societially decided to move forward. We have this experience of people are leaving their jobs at the highest number ever in working history. You know, there's this great resignation, this this movement for that people are also saying, you know, what actually worked better? When I'm feeling the most authentic when I'm in my own space in my house that I'm able to focus on my work. And then there's also pressure to return to work, and some people, you know, just don't feel ready for that, and that's their choice that you know they deserve to have. And so there's just a lot of questions, and there's whenever there's questions present, whenever there is the energy of inquiry present, it really allows for us to just not just have these paradigm ships we're noticing in the world, but have these deep paradigm ships that are happening inside of our bodies that will affect our family systems for generations. So you know, when we um and I just have to say, for those that have opened it, like, I love the work we did Daniel on this workbook. I love the work we did. Both of us were committed to going deep. You know. I think for a long time to view has been like, all right, I gotta figure out a work life balance. And you know something you and I were really intentional about. We're like, we gotta shift this to a life work balance. What is in service to the soul? What is the service to the being to the person first and from that viewpoint, we're able to then add in the working life and the life of you know, whatever ambitions or present or whatever whatever dharma is present. Um. So yeah, in this program, I think what we're really exploring through the six part meditation series and also through the workbook, is how do you get to define for yourself what your work life is going to feel like that that piece of our lives that we spend the majority of our lives doing. M Yeah, there's so much and what you've shared and something that you said at the very beginning was we finally haven't we haven't had rather a chance to come up for air. In you know, work was kind of structured in a certain way in a forty hour work week was accepted as the norm, and so somehow over the course of however, many decades, that shifted to more like fifty six seventy work weeks. And what the pandemic started to do was kind of shed light on on a work work system that never worked for the human first. It was never never put us as human beings first. And like you said, something that's explored in the Workbook and in the series the meditation series on the app is how to put your personhood first, because at the end of the day, we are all more than our our job title. We are all more than our ability to produce that day. We are all more than whatever our work is is telling us that we are. And so something that I really appreciated about working on this with you was was that it wasn't going to be just grazing the surface. We were going to go deep and we were going to start to ask those really important questions of how do I create a life and enter my work in when it feels good? And something that you've shared, UM, I'm not sure if you shared here on on Chopra uh the I G live sphere, I suppose, but something that you shared with me that I found really really impactful and really powerful is how you in your personal life recognized when that shift happened. And I believe it happened before the pandemic, right. I know you're working in the sphere UM far before, but I'd love to hear about what you notice in your life, UM, when you started to create a person first and your personhood first kind of experience in your world and how that shifted your relationship to your work. Ah, thank you for that question, and instantly something came up that I don't think I've even expressed before in any way. But to be quite honest, when I first started shifting too more of self value first, more than my value for output or my value in my titles or the way that I was being perceived, um, instantaneously, it actually brought up an immense amount of fear, you know. But one thing I really want to convey and and this this six part meditation series. It's powerful. This workbook is powerful. But know that the ease comes after the initial excavation. So there might be things that come up for you as you're listening to this series as you're attempting the workbook, because it is so counterintuitive to everything that has been ingrained in us our entire lives, and everything that has been ingrained in our parents and their parents. We are re establishing a way, um, we are creating what it is to be in our human expression at this moment in time. And so there's this comfort us with everything else. You do something that's new, it's uncomfortable, you know. As humans biologically like we have this system and is for predictive response, like being able to kind of look at things and predict what's next, and that's how we feel comfortable about attempting new things or stretching ourselves. So when I started on this journey, even when I left, you know, when I when I left my um more traditional workplace for the first time, I left because my body physically shut down, Like I ended up getting shingles, I ended up having UM, I was losing hair, I was in pain, like stress was breaking havoc on my body. And even though I knew that to be true and I didn't want that, it still took me two years to even feel comfortable in this new ease that I designed for myself. So there is a period of disarmament as we moved through this process of personal growth, as we reimagine and create for the first time, like what our flow of life will be. UM, so grace for that. Everyone, Just oh like there, even when you're doing have been good for yourself, even when you are like building the dream life, you're also on programming. You know, you also have to unpack so much of what you put on in your beliefs and your systems that is not for your highest good, that is no longer true. So just now is that part starts to come up some of the maybe felt anxiety or that maybe felt um. For me, it brought forward when I when I first moved into wellness for time, for full time, it did bring forward a lot of anxiety, a lot of depression of trying to understand. I know I'm called to live in a different way, but trying it on and making it real and making it true. It's stretching in ways that are really uncomfortable. UM. But I think that I guess to come back, because I'm a long talker. To come back to answering that question is that, you know, start start with some of the smaller, more tangible pieces. And that's something we go over in our workbook quite a bit, which can be you know, for me, when I noticed the ship needed to to be made, but I wasn't ready to leave my career system yet, I just started carving out extra time in my work day. So in my lunch break, I would go sit in my car in the garage of the building that I worked at, and I would try my meditations that I was learning. You know, I would listen actually to dpox voice and I would put him on the loop in my car through the through the system and I would just close my eyes and I'd say, I don't know what any of this is. I don't really know what it's doing, but I'm going to follow it, you know. And I just did that day after day. And a few things that it taught me. One it began to regulate my emotional system. I was now equipped with a new tool that was given very clear physical response to my body that was benefiting me. So I said, Okay, I don't always want to do it. It It doesn't always feel natural, but let me keep going, you know. And I think too, it taught me how to even create time for myself. Part of the discomfort is that we have been trained to deliver, We've been trained to have output. You know. In the years leading up to the pandemic, let's not forget that, for several years we were thrust into a new work um, into a new type of work experience which was actually do more for less money. There was a huge wave of layoffs that happened before kind of in the pandemic and a lot of industries, and there was a huge wave of people one person filling two to three positions and it was just expected in the norm. So we had that big build up before we moved into the pandemic. And so sometimes even learning how to create a structure to have time where you don't feel bad because you're not doing something, that's the big part of the journey too. And so by setting that appointment for myself every day in my lunch break, I began, I began to teach myself, um, how to feel with myself when I wasn't performing, when I wasn't doing, when I wasn't filling a role. Yeah, that is so everything that you've shared, and so many people are resonating with what you're sharing because because we all have been so conditioned I think to just be producing and to not make appointments with ourselves, to not carve out time and our schedules for ourselves. And that's what I think this program, that's what it really does, is it gives you permission to make time in your schedule for yourself, because at the utmost uh importance is you, and oftentimes, especially during you know, nine to five hours specifically, which is considered our work day Monday through Friday, we don't um carve out time for ourselves simply to be And so I think integrating those practices in Like you said, it's something that we talked about in the workbook a little bit quite a lot actually is space, right, making space for yourself and giving yourself that permission because that puts you first knowing that you are more than your production and you are something outside of of that workspere um. Yeah, asking in the in the chat, and I would love to hear from you on this is how did you carve out more time beyond your lunch hour or beyond your lunch Yeah, like how did your practice start to develop from that space? I love this question. I'm excited to answer this, and I just want to let everyone know for whatever reason, the comments and the questions are frozen for me on my screen. So anybody that is sharing love, thank you so much. Um. Okay, so I'm really even creating a container. And so what I mean when I say that, and some might be very familiar with this term, is that I don't actually have to fully know what and how I'm going to do in my practice, but I commit to the container. I commit to the time there's something that I started doing outside of work, especially now, I will say, you know, building our supportive practice. It's always evolving. So some stuff that I did at the beginning of my journey is not at all what I'm doing now. So I'll speak to my my some of my more recent expression of this. But you know, I create the container. I say, where can I find more time for me? Something that was really powerful? Um, And this may not be for everyone, so take what sleep what doesn't. But I I made the choice to really cut television and film completely out of my life. And I did that for about two years. So the whole time that we were in the pandemic, UM, I just took TV off the table for me because I knew that that was something that could be a coping mechanism for me. Whatever I used to be stressed out. If I had a really long day, I'd be like, I just don't want to think, and I would put something on TV just to have ambient noise or just to kind of be mindless with. And I needed to create more headspace for myself, UM that that didn't also include random influences, So I decided to find that extra I'm also a working mother of a young child, so to find that extra time for myself, the time I would have given to myself before bed with television. I decided is my container. So every day for one to two hours at the end of my days, when I would do a lot of my spiritual practice, I would just say this is the time I have. I would put on really some beautiful instrumentation and then I would allow myself to do whatever felt necessary. I was building my intuition for what my needs were. And so sometimes that can happen by making yourself a real strategy. So you can create a roadmap by like holding a paper into four, opening it up, labeling it with like mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, you know, homework, self, creativity, whatever are the categories that you want to kind of think into, and then we can keep you a little short list of what can I do that feels like fuel for myself? In each category you know what feels serving, and it doesn't have to always be I am going to commit to that meditation for thirty minutes to an hour, highly suggest because there's nothing more incredible in divine and meditation practice. But also it can mean, as you're getting started, I'm going to commit to sipping my tea or coffee in silence. I'm going to commit in that physical category or in that self category. I'm gonna five fine, five to thirty minutes to just take a walk just because, and and not walk fast. You know, notice like can I slow down? Am I moving fast? Because That's what I'm used to, But is it actually necessary? You know? Um? So when I was filling that container for me, what felt really good is I said, Okay, I have an hour or two hours after my my beautiful son is asleep to just be with myself. And I use that time to put on a little music, to kind of move my body as I wanted to, to to meditate, to always go into meditation for me, um, get really still get quiet, and then to journal and to just have released the thought to just start expressing. Um, to have that t that maybe I don't make time for through the rest of my day because I'm moving. But I'll make that cup. I'll drink it slow. Um, I'll be yanga, you know. And I your veda, this, this self massage, this luxuriating with self. You know, be intentional when you are even just doing what you naturally do as a human each day, like cleansing your body. Is there a way to be more intentional with that? Can you spend more time with that body. Can you slow down as your lotioning and just really say, gosh, I'm grateful that I'm alive. I'm grateful no matter how you're feeling about the physicality or the appearance of your body, being grateful that this supports my humanity, that this is, you know, the house of my soul. Can I just connect with that knowing? Um, and so so create the container for everyone. It's different because we all have different responsibilities and experiences. But you come up with what that amount of time is wearing your day could possibly potentially fit and then make it fun. This is your opportunity to like experiment on yourself, to kind of like put on your scientific hat. What's working? What is it now? I don't like that that is not my jam. I'm like, that's not for my wellness routine. Oh but this really is. Or Hey, I found that I may not do spirituality in the way that I'm seeing online, but need closing my eyes and just drawing in silence and seeing what I make and what that means to me. That can be a spiritual practice. Um. But giving yourself license, giving yourself the freedom to get creative with you and your need, your container is unique. It's unique to you. It's unique to how you want to do things and how you want to show up in the world. And I think that what they ask piece that you shared about that doesn't feel great for my wellness practice, but this feels really good. It's like, um, we we often label certain things that maybe work for someone else and not for us as failure. It's not necessarily failure. It's all exploration like you shared. So yeah, I think these opportunities to create and recreate and rediscover it reimagine like it's all. It's all so thank you for naming all of that. It's so beautiful. Um yeah. Yeah, and and a lot of this. So one of the one of the sessions in the program is all about creativity at work. It's all about learning to be created in your work day and what that might look like. So yeah, I think bringing it back to the program on the Chopra app, Um, all of these things that Debbie Dedie is sharing, this wisdom that just like emanates out of you. It's amazing. Um. All of this wisdom is shared in the program on the app that you can listen to this month. Um. And a lot of these tools that have been shared are written out in the workbook, And I wonder if there's anything that you'd like to specifically talk about in the workbook, um, because I think that's one of the most powerful and unique resources that I've seen Choper offering is this extra tool that gives people a tangible resource to be able to use throughout the wellness practice. So is there anything in specific lines to the workbook that really stood out to you or that you're really excited about offering? Oh my gosh, the whole workbook. Honestly, like I wasn't even look for everyone watching, just like a little kind of behind the scenes for you. Daniel and I were in fold to light like craftiness workbooks were like what else would feel so amazing? What do we wish we could have known? You know? It was just like it was such a beautiful opportunity to create this space. Um. Do you know what? It's something that really something that I feel so proud about about this workbook is a lot of the depth that we're getting in some of our journal prompting. So we do share quite a bit of self inquiry in this workbook, and you know, we're we're going sometimes into the depths of like how am I experiencing myself at work? And what ways am I supported and not supported at work? And then how do I come into choice in that space? You know something that I think um, that I think about quite a bit, that you know, I would love to share as something to hold as you're in your workspace and even if there are triggers coming up in what this new transition in this new world and this new life look like. Is as with everything else in life, like our work life is part of our spiritual journey, the way we react the experiences that we're having. There's always opportunity. So even if you think of some of the dramas at work, some of the ways that you're in discord with the people that you work with or your boss, or the way that things are happening, it's so important to kind of put on a spiritual lens and say, is there anywhere else in my life? I know this this pattern? Is there anywhere else in my life? Like this is just a work thing. When did I first feel this way? Interacting with people? You know, it helps take some of the charge out because it is easy for us, especially as work growing, to come into judgment of others. Um, you know, there is this experience and we've all felt it at different times. I'm doing the work on myself. Why can't you just do your work? Why can't you like come on, Like, we're all in different paths, and we all have different paths. We all have different things that have happened to us or that we've experienced that sometimes no one will ever know about that shape who we are in the workplace, that shape who we are at home. And so you know, the more that we can turn that gaze inward, the more how we're able to emanate in ourselves, and the more um space we're able to come into in ourselves for what is actually aligned for us, you know. And and also sometimes that does mean finding new workplaces. Sometimes that does mean like you know, not always making the people that we work with our pseudo family or pseudo friends, like really filling our lives with that need and that longing and other ways. Um. So there's so many things to explore, and for each of us it's unique. But I think in our workbook, like a lot of that journal prompting that we offer a lot of that I'll just be in flow with. Yeah, Yeah, it's really, it's a really robust work book. Um. Yeah, there's there's uh something that you shared that is reflective. A lot of the content offered this month, And someone asked, is the is the app itself free? The content for Journey to well Being is free for the month, and so this month Journey to well Being work with Debby Brown is free, So you can sign up for the app and practice that. Next month there will be another program with a different theme and so on and so forth. Um. But specific in regards to this, the reason that this Journey to well Being is really expansive is because it hits kind of all the facets of our lives and some so often our work is separate or seen as separate from our spiritual practice. But like you just mentioned, Deabtie, our work is part of our spiritual practice. Whether our work is in a spiritual realm or not. Whether you're a meditation teacher or you work in an office setting somewhere or our corporate setting somewhere, your work is your spiritual practice because we are multifaceted beings all of the time. And so I think that I think that that is really highlighted in this workbook, in this program um, so, yeah, thank you for sharing that. And I'm recognizing the time is for thirty and so or four thirty from me one for you. I don't know where else anyone is the world, but I would love to hear if there's anything else you'd like to share before I give folks an opportunity to connect with the app. Um, anything else that's coming up for you regarding this program or anything that's on your heart. Mm hmm yeah, I think you know, give yourself permission to even move slowly through this. And so this month May we are focused on work and the journey to well being, and so that is the information that we're sharing in this container of May. But it's also something that you can hold onto as you download this workbook, as you listen to the meditations, they'll continue to be available, and so start taking notes now. And and it's not necessarily by the end of the month that you're going to come into this new way being. We're starting that internal dialogue with you, we're starting that conversation that practice, but you don't have to race through it, and you don't have to idealize a profess action at the end or a whole new way of being at the end the seed is being planned, if the awareness is coming in, give yourself grace, go gently, but keep going, you know, and work with this workbook. Maybe over the next year, you know, maybe begin some some of the inquiry now and the next month to do it again and see if there's something new that's come up. But you're not on a race. You cannot get this right or wrong. It's just it. It's all right, you know, it's all right. However it manifests, so you know, and if there's moments in this in this process, because we did really intentionally go a little bit deeper with this one, you know, so if there is any charge coming up, or if there is you know, a moment, you need to give yourself to really process and and and allow yourself the dignity of your individual process. Do that too, Take breaks, move slowly, keep going. Wow, thank you for that reminder. It's so important, especially in the grand scheme. It's all always evolving, So thank you for that reminder. I think it's like you said, it's always going to be available. While it's being that's most present this month for for the choper app, It's always going to be available and so definitely continue your journey at a pace that feels right for you. Keep revisiting, keep exploring. UM you can download the you can get the workbook on if you sign up for the Journey to well Being, it comes through an email for you UM and if you go to Choper dot com backslash journey, you should be able to access all of the resources for Journey to well Being. UM. So all that said, I just wanted to send a big thank you to you, Debbie. It's always a joy being in space with you. The Journey to well Being work program is available in the Chopra app UM as part of the Journey to well Being experienced and if you sign up. I believe the link is in the bio for Choper if you sign up through that, or you can download the Choper app at your app store and sign up through there. So yeah, big love to you, deVie. Thank you so so much for being here and for sharing all of your wisdom. It is always a joy to be in space with you. Always grateful for you and always loving me. Daniel, thank you so much. Thank you they loved everyone out there, Thanks for joining today. They good care all right. I hope you enjoy that amazing conversation I was able to have with Daniel Senneto. Love Daniel, love what we're doing at Choprah, love the Journey to well being, and love this work program. I am so proud of it. I hope you'll connect to it. We try to really go deep. No, this is this is for someone that wants to get a little past just you know, maybe some of the positive thinking and implement real structure to have the change that you deserve to have in your life matter so much more than any title that you possess. And so let's position ourselves accordingly that your soul work today is connect on the app. Connect on the app, get connected to some of the free content that we have available. You'll be able to explore this meditation series it's six parts on workplace and also download our app. And once again, if you go to my Instagram page at Deffie Brown, connect there, go to the Lincoln bio. Right in the Lincoln bio of my I G page, you'll be able to join my Journey to well be And you can also um go to Chopper dot com or go directly to the app and sign up. That's Chopra app. In the iOS store for your iPhone and also available for and Roy. Thank you so much for joining Big Love and I'm gonna go drink some tea and work on getting this voice back. Now a stay Hey, find me on social Let's connect at evvy Brown that's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my website Debbie Brown dot com. And if you're listening to the show on Apple Podcasts, please please please don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe and send this episode to a friend. Dropping Jims is the production of I Heart Radio and The Black Effect Network. It's produced by Jack Quease and me Debbie Brown. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.