Deeply Well with Devi BrownIn this enlightening episode of Deeply Well, Devi sits down with the brilliant Erin Claire Jones, a leading voice in the world of Human Design. Together, we explore how this transformative system can serve as a personalized roadmap to living in alignment; a guide that honors your unique wiring and helps you move through life with more clarity and purpose.
Erin shares insights from her upcoming book, How Do You Choose?, inviting us to rethink how we make decisions, navigate relationships, and show up in our work. We talk about the power of knowing yourself on a deeper level and the freedom that comes when you stop trying to fit into someone else’s mold.
We also explore the art of compassion — how understanding our own design can deepen our relationships and help us honor the different ways others are wired to move through the world. From the legacy of icons like Maya Angelou to the fierce focus of athletes like LeBron James, we reflect on how Human Design reveals the countless ways purpose can manifest.
This conversation is a beautiful reminder that we are all built differently for a reason, and that living in alignment isn’t just about self-discovery, but also about embracing the unique paths of those we share our lives with.
If you’re curious about your design or simply ready to live more fully in your truth, this episode is an invitation to connect more deeply with yourself and others.
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I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land in your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care. This is where we heal, this is where we transcend. Welcome back to the show. I'm Debbie Brown. So excited to have you all here, especially everyone that is listening, either through some headphones, through your car, if you are watching us on YouTube. We are building in that frontier. So excited to be here. So much to talk about today. I am so thrilled today to be joined by a special guest, someone who has been on the podcast before, but this is our first time in person, so it feels even extra special. And someone who's work I just deep deeply admire and have used and referred to over the last several years. So much wisdom, so much expertise. I cannot wait for you to hear all of the things about one of my absolute favorite tools that has been so life changing for me, and it's really shaped a lot of my personal and professional life and my ability to be in surrender with the truth of who I am and how I am uniquely made. So, without further ado, i'd like to welcome to today's episode, Aaron Claire Jones. She is a globally recognized leader in human design, known for making this powerful system practical, accessible, and immediately applicable to everyday life. Over the past decade, she has helped hundreds of thousands of people worldwide reconnect with their true selves and find their unique flow at work, in love, and in life through her coaching courses, digital products, and personalized guides. Erin is the founder of Human Design Blueprint, where she has generated over one million charts and sold more than forty three thousand personalized blueprints and over one hundred and sixty countries. She has conducted four thousand plus private couple and family sessions, trained over one thousand certified students, many of whom now lead thriving practices, and spoken on stages around the world from Los Angeles to Mikino's to Tuscany to Miami. Her insights have been featured in Forbes, Vogue, Elle, The Sunday Times, Allure, Nylon, and more, and she has been a trusted resource for teams that companies like Meta, Amazon, and Unilever. Erin has also been a guest on over three hundred podcasts, sharing her expertise on how human design can be a transformative tool for better decision making and deeper alignment. Her debut book, how Do You You Choose? A Human Design Guide to What's best for You at work, in love, and in Life, will be published on May thirteenth, offering a hands on guide to using human design to make more empowered, authentic choices across all areas of life. Well, Aaron, welcome back to the show.
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
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I mean, this is expertise, this is mastery. It's crazy to just listen to somebody read about you.
I know, isn't it? It is? What comes up? What were you feeling?
I was just like, I feel like it's so easy to just get in the weeds of all the things. And I feel like, especially around the book line. So it's just funny like hearing all that and be like, wow, not a lot. It's been a whole it's been a while journey with human design.
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I was just appreciating that.
And you know what, I love too, and we talk about this a bit. Wow, let's be honest, always talking about this, I feel like, but we're going to dive into this deeper a little bit later in the show. But something I really appreciate when I'm able to have masters of their craft on this show, which is that's my mo. So it's kind of everyone that's on the show. But what I love is, you know, as someone that has also kind of worked on the back end and from the press perspective many years ago, getting pitched people and all the things. For like ten years, we have been in this fluffy, marshmallowy space of like self aggrandizement in bios or in marketing materials, right, and like an insane surge in fluff words like back when you used to write a paper in school and you try to say as many descriptive words as possible to like fill the space. I feel like that's how a lot of people's work history has been becoming and looking in some of the more kind of performative social media times. And so something I really appreciate is, you know, when I read a bio like yours, and it's in the fibers of not saying, you know, hundreds of thousands of views on a video. It's hundreds of thousands of people who have been in front of you, sharing energy being changed over time, over a curriculum, over a teaching over you know, a portal of information. And it's like, I'm just going to be the person that always centers that in conversations because I think it's so important and it's not to make anyone who does not have these accomplishments feel in any way minimized. It's to say you have a beautiful journey ahead of you of allowing your own myth to unfold and your own expertise to unfold, and you don't have to rush to occupy space as something that maybe you haven't yet had the full time to earn. Yeah, So I just I want to hold that because I think that's really powerful, especially when you do a work like this that is like, you know, human design is immediate work. You know, there is just so much nuance and complexity and you know, deep connection to the human experience. All right, I'll hold there, let me reel it back in what is human design?
Well, thanks for reflecting all that. I think it's a good reminder, you know, and it's it just also takes a long time to really become great at something. Yeah, you know, and I think that it's and we talked about it before we start a recording, But anyways, I think that is it's quite a journey. And human design I have been working with for a decade now. It's crazy. It is a system based on your time, date and place of birth that reveals how you are wired to operate in every part of your life, from relationships to career, to parenting and beyond. It really gives us each our own personalized road map to our flow. I think in a world where we see others having some kind of success, we can feel like we'll just emulate what they've been doing and it will work for us. And human design is such a powerful reminder that we are wired differently and what may work for them might not work for us. How they make decisions may be really distinct and different than how we do. So human design is often a real permission slip to show up to life in a way that feels more authentic to us and ultimately will generate more goodness in our lives.
Yeah, that is such an important powerful point because it really I do find that like some of the power of it when it's entered my life or researched in my life, it really takes you out of any possible comparison and really anchors you into like the specialness and the specificity of like what you are and how you can best be used or being use of what you are? Yeah, what is different? So you know, I know kind of the way you can figure this is very similar to astrology, Right, what are the differences? And I guess what is the expansion or the build upon a human design on astrology?
So human design draws from a lot of systems, astrology being one of them. Also the I ching, the chakra system, kabbala, And it's interesting because they all like play a role in the system, but the way they kind of come out in human design is totally different. It's not like there's like a super linear connection to astrology. Besides, it plays a real role in it. It's based on the same information.
You know.
I think that, like the simple answer is, like, there are different systems that I think are really supportive of each other my experience with human design, And honestly, I'm sure that astrology does this too, But I don't know well enough to say that it does. But Dreman to human Design is that it felt like it was equal parts mystical and practical. It was mystical and that is based on your birth information. It's a channeled system. This is like wild that we could know this much about ourselves based on the time data and place of where we were born. And the information it offers is so specific and so practical and really, you know, designed to integrate into our everyday lives in a way that will make a big difference. And I feel like I so often have experienced assessment systems where I learn really interesting things about myself but then have no idea what to do with them. And human Design just like gives you the things to do. It's like, this is how you're meant to make decisions, and this is how you maybe might structure your days in a way that's more optimal for you. This is how you can communicate your needs to those you love. This is how you can better support and ask questions of your child, you know, and so, and the book is very oriented around how can we actually practically apply this system to every part of our lives in a way that we can experience real change.
Wow, that made me think I think we first connected when my son was really young, like just like a couple of years old, because I remember I had had my human design done with you and you one for yeah, yeah, and I love I have found in parenting. It's so helpful and things. You know, he's young, so it's slowly revealing itself, but it's made it really fun to understand who he is through that lens, you know, in addition to of course my knowing and you know, being his mama and all the other ways. But to just kind of support that. And I remember when human design gets so specific, like down to like your eating style. Yeah, and I remember this. I found this thing that was really funny, whereas an X of mine used to always have to eat with like the TV on really loud, and that like drives me out of my mind because I am a silent early Like we don't play the TV in my house, like I play a solection mix, but I don't have noise. I love silence. And I was like this this, Oh god, this can't work. And then I saw in his human design that it literally said, your best eating style is around a lot of noise. You should consider having a radio or a TV running because it helps your digestion. And I was like, what, Like, he's supposed to be this way, isn't that wild?
I had a client whose son had that digestion and he was three, and like, every time he was start of meal, he would be like, Mom, can you turn the radio on? Like it was just like so it was so crazy because it was not her discovering or human design that led to that. He was already asking for it, and human design just allowed her to like support him in that instead of restricted.
Yeah, deeply. Well, well, so your new book is called how do You Choose? And I think that in and of itself is that's like one of the most important questions, one of the most powerful questions being alive, Like yeah, everything is choice, and like, yeah, such a powerful question. What inspired you to center your debut book around this particular theme right now? And what do you hope everyone takes away from it as they turn the last page?
I think that, as you know, I think human design can serve so many purposes, and I think one of the most central ones is around decision making, and I think every day we're making decisions small and big, you know, from who to spend time with and how to spend your Saturday, to like pH to date and where to live, and you know when to walk away from an opportunity and when to start a new one. And I think that we often get really caught in our head and question and feel unsure. And I think human design really reveals a very different way of making decisions that is more intuitive and allows us to make kind of clear, confident decisions that we know are right. And I guess I really believe that when we are making decisions in a way that's aligned, every else is easier, because I feel like we spend so much time questioning and wondering and like staying and things too long and just knowing that this isn't right and this is and this is where I go next. Like it's allowed me to be so much more surrendered to life's flow. And so I think that the book will do many things for people. Decision making is one piece, but the goal is to help people make really empower aligned decisions in the realm of work and relationships and parenting and all those things. And I think also centering it around decision making, part of the thinking was around you know, hopefully helping transcend the kind of world human design has been in, because human design has grown in popularity and is still nascent, and I feel like we are all facing the challenge of decisions every day, and so I would love this book to be a tool both of those who already love human design, but those also to those that are totally new but are curious for another tool that will help them decide in a way that feels truer to them. I think my hope for the book is, you know, when they turn the last page that they feel centered in themselves and really permission to show up in a way that feels very true for them across all areas of life, and equipped with a lot of new tools to do so. But my bigger hope is and they then return to all the chapters that are not about them, and they read the chapters about their sons and their daughters, and their partners and their friends and their colleagues and their parents. Because I think human design is such an amazing tool to find our own flow in life, and I would say it's even a more powerful tool to better understand that people we care about most, and like I will just say experientially reading the chapters that I wrote about like my generator husband. Every time I read it, I'm like, oh my god, I could do this better, Like I see why this has been hard. Or reading the chapter about like my manifestor seven month old, I'm like, oh, I see why this has been happening, like or my manifesting dinner toddler. Like I'm just like every time I'm given new tools and I wrote the book and like, yeah, we still need all these reminders.
Yeah, Yeah, that's so beautiful, you know, because I think that is one of the special things about it. It's like you can come into this deep understanding of yourself and walk, you know, a more deeply carved path of self mastery. But then it also does really create some significant harmony totally with you and the people in your life, and even in building compassion, you know, for those who may not care for and like or have friction and challenge with, you know, being able to understand sometimes fundamentally, yeah, we're having a shared experience, but fundamentally we can be very different, Yeah, and not have to want that to change in self or another. Yeah.
And I think that I tell a lot of these stories in the Book of People that came experiencing some kind of conflict, and I always have that question of like, is there a fundamental disconnect or do they not just understand each other? Yeah, I think the answer is often the ladder.
You know.
There's one story about a couple that is considering whether to move to the East coast. One of them knew of me, and she was just, like, my husband is waffling. He went aside, he's so indecisive in his way making decisions in human design was about giving himself a full month, and so what she perceived as waffling was him finding his way to clarity and the way that he knows how to, you know. And then like, I tell another story of a manifesting generator and projector couple and the projector felt really down on the relationship and questioning whether it was right because she felt like she didn't have the same stamina as her partner and like couldn't show up in the same way and felt like she should, you know, And then realizing how different her design was and how she'd really different needs really change everything and brought so much compassion. So like, it is just crazy because we could make each other wrong for being different, but it's we're just different. Yeah, and I think it brings us so much closer together. And it's only the difference is only a problem. If you're trying to force change in another person exactly, then you're going against how they are meant to be right, that's not gonna you know, benefit them. And I also, like, I feel like it. It was so fun kind of pulling my community and asking for examples, because there's one some people are meant to kind of talk things out, that's how they find their truth. And one one client shared that every day after work, she didn't need this, but she would walk around her neighborhood with her husband and do like a loop where he could kind of verbally process his day because she was like, that's what he needs. I don't have that need, but like we've built that routine into our lives, so he has that space. So like, it's just so cool to watch what happens when that compassion is built and that understanding is there.
Oh my gosh, I love that. I something that was like pretty pretty deep for me was when I first heard of human design. I didn't naturally kind of connect to the very I mean, this was a very surface level understanding I had at the time, right, So it was kind of like, you're a generator and this, this and this, and I didn't really connect with that. But when I got into the fibers and I'm like, oh, I'm a six' two oh templary human. Type oh my life is broken, UP i was, like oh my, god every like it makes so much sense and it gave. Me, REALLY i guess acceptance would be the, word you, know just such. Acceptance you use the word a moment ago with, permission but to own like, that can you TALK i know you've seen my. Chart can you talk a little bit about what those things?
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It, yes. Okay so you, know human design is so, endless as you know in the information it can offer. Us so you, know one, example why don't we talk about your profile just to give people a little. Taste if you guys don't know your human design, chart you can look it up at human design blueprint dot. Com it's totally free and you'll kind of get this wild looking. Chart so there are so many pieces to share. About you, know you are a generator with a weight to respond. Strategy your authority is. Sacral your six to two profile actually going to change my. Mind let's talk about your. Authority, Okay so this is around your decision. Making so if anybody looks up third chart and sees that their authority is, sacrel this for you, too it means that you are meant meant to make decisions in the moment based on your gut. Feeling it's a visceral feeling in your belly that will either pull you toward or push you away from. Something it comes without. Reason it's like this feels right or does? IT i don't know. WHY i truss that if find out why. Later if you find yourself speaking about why you should do, something you probably disconnected from your. Gut you. Know if it's LIKE i think THAT i should do this BECAUSE i might lead here or this might. Happen so it's really not going to fall in what feels instinctually right in the, Moment like some people like, me we need space and time for things to. Settle for. You when it's a, yes there's no need to.
Wait you.
Know the waiting is only if it's anything but. That AND i would, say really powerful way for those close to you to help you. Access it is to give you, options so you, know having your, collaborators, partners friends ask you like do you want to do this or? This go here or hear it's a way for you to kind of bypass the like endless possibility of the mind and drop you straight into your gut feeling. Curious how if you resonate with that as so?
Deeply, Yeah LIKE i, Mean, JESS i have such a strong gut, Response like my sacral is like instant like, instantaneous AND i literally.
Do feel it like a like a gut, pole you, KNOW i feel it physically in my, body AND i DO i make decisions so quickly and if it's actually having to think about, Decisions i'm more likely to make the wrong.
Decision go to IF i take time to think about.
It isn't that? Crazy that? Is ACTUALLY i hear that so frequently with people that have sacral because they'll have a visceral response and then they'll kind of immediately get into their head and start questioning it and they lose that direct connection and then end up moving in a new direction and then they're, like, wait but my first instinct was actually so opposite of. That, Yeah whereas for me for, example just so you guys hear the, polarity LIKE i am meant to sleep on things that often there the first instinct for me is not the one that feels for a couple of days.
Later.
Wow so it is just like such a good reminder that like we all choose. Differently, yeah and also we are surrounded by people who choose. Differently like some people might perceive you as too rash or too fast when like that's how you, operate or they might perceive me as too flow and like overthinking things when LIKE i need that space and time to really, decide.
You know WHAT I And i'm hoping that this is connecting with everyone. Listening so WHAT i love about, like especially this kind of a, method having a tool like, this is you find something like that out and you can instantly put it into practice.
Exactly AND i think.
That's what is to me is so powerful about this system because it's it's giving you a real understanding to be in practice. With so if you are, told, hey you're a sacral as, well now you have a little more permission and you can say, maybe, hey for the next few, Days i'm going to just notice instantaneously HOW i Feel, yeah whether or NOT i choose that, whatever, totally but keep following the train of information that reveiels itself based on the.
Decision, Yes AND i think that is such an important point because human design is an amazing. Experiment like my encouragement is, like try, it see what, happens you, know see if it feels like a trustworthy compass for.
You, yeah you.
Know my experience is, that like when people, experiment they're, like oh my, god this is so, useful but like it is worth experimenting with and see if it actually feels true in your own. Life SOMETHING i so often say about human design is it doesn't actually really matter to me whether it's. True it matters whether it's, useful you. Know and so just like taking these pieces to experiment.
With.
Yeah another piece THAT i think is really interesting for, you and it's true for actually all generators and manifesting, generators is that your, strategy which is the piece that speaks to how you best create, opportunities is about. Responding it means that you are somebody who's very naturally. Magnetic you aren't really meant to chase after. Much you're meant to kind of really use your energy in ways that feel satisfying and then see what that shows up in your world and what your body naturally responds. To once you get that gut, response you can like go pursue and make that thing happen so. Powerfully but it's waiting for that, response which is hard because it might be, like say you're an entrepreneur and like there's space and you're, Like i've got to come up with a new. Offering it's actually not about like being at home and like writing it down and like seeing what. Comes it's about like seeing what shows up in your world and what. Sparks is there something a client mentions that really. Resonates is it like seeing another coach that has something that you feel inspired to? Create it is that like listening to a podcast that sparks a new, Idea like you are here to like see what sparks that gut. Response and WHEN i love so much about this strategy is that it can often take you in very unexpected. Directions you might meet someone or encounter something that sparks the gut response that you did not expect and yet it's. There and so for, you it's about following those you, know those bread.
Crumbs, YEAH i resonate with that so. Much. Yeah, yes something that was interesting for me and learning that about myself was it felt so counterintuitive to the BELIEFS i had about, myself specifically as someone that like started working two jobs around sixteen and just like worked like a work course for a lot of. Years so much so much of me was wrapped up in really just kind of some of the common advice of the time of my, generation right, like you're going, hard you're working, hard you're forcing get you push, through and you make that you make it. Happen and it's JUST i found that ANYTIME i ever have to do, that it's not actually what's for. Me it always ends up the wrong. Thing AND i remember there's this THING i heard once that Jel ostein staid where it was Like god might let it happen if you keep working towards, it but there won't be any grace for. It AND i think about that a lot WHEN i don't follow the, truth which is really deeply rooted in receiving and waiting for things to. Come that is so absolutely spot, On LIKE i can have a, FEELING i can have an, idea BUT i found it's very important for me to actually be patient and not over the, top pursue the idea until it shows up at my, door until it shows up for. Me and that Was, yeah that's hard because that is not the same as a lot of PEOPLE i. Know so sometimes people can perceive that is like not going after, things but it's more ABOUT i found a path of like you really trust your life and like you really surrender and you. Prepare i'm prepared for whatever, moment but it shows up and THEN i respond.
Accordingly and it really is around timing. Too it's, like and you, know my husband has this And i'm always so amazed by his patients or have like a brilliant idea And i'm, like make it, happen you, know and he's just like not, No he's, like when the time is, RIGHT i, will but it could be in ten years, Yeah AND i was like, wow but like it's so.
True.
Yeah it's like if you force it before the time is, right before they gut feeling is, there like it just might not work out in all the ways that it's meant, to but like at the right, time when the energy is there for, it it can probably take on in a whole other.
Life, yeah with all the people that you've worked with over the. YEARS i, mean have you, seen like we're talking hundreds of thousands of. Charts have you seen every configuration there is to? Offer? No, no not?
Possible? WOW i mean it's crazy because you know you have your blueprint guide AND i know you have one for your son to just that guide which does not cover every single piece of the chart because there's no way To are there four hundred thousand possible versions of that? Guide? Wow so it's just like it's the configurations are. Endless that's another thing THAT i think makes human design the, Distinct, yeah is that it's not really a thing where you're, like, oh we have the same, Design like we might have the same, type we might share the same strategy or make decisions in a similar, way but the nuance is just keep. Going.
Yeah, yeah it's really. Crazy it's kind Of i'm sure that feels. Exciting, Yeah like it's just like it's an endless kind of. Inspiration, yeah with like seeing so many though DIFFERENT i guess kinds of designs and makeups of, people do you ever tend to see and maybe this even happens like within certain pockets of, Generations but do you tend to see any particular patterns that might carry through or particular breakthroughs that might carry.
Through there are definitely, themes you, know because people will like share kind of qualities of their chart for a, while or things will be activated for a. While it was really interesting when my seven month old was born because like basically like all the kiddos that month were like all. Manifestors, WOW i was like usually the type of like you, KNOW i can't say that For, suore but like every single TYPE i looked up for a long, time it was like all manifestors and all my friends with kids around that time of manifestor. Kiddos so, like it is just really interesting to kind of watch the patterns of like even different types coming. Through, yeah you, know in ways that just feel like why so many manifestors right? Now like why people that are here to like disrupt and change and, Innovate like why is that? Needed you? Know SO i MEAN i think we probably know why that's needed in our own, ways BUT i think that it is really interesting to kind of see those different patterns of like who's needed at different times and whether That, yeah what fascinate the reason is behind? That, yeah And i'm latoria obviously have any different ave, answer but it's interesting to see the patterns.
Makes a lot of sense for alpha, generation that is for. Sure, yeah, yeah what the world is kind of walking into and totally when they come of, age what kind of place this might be and what they'll need to know how to. Do and, Yeah so in your book you include some examples of iconic, figures which are also some of my personal favorite muses of all, time Like Maya, Angelou, Nelson Mandela. Beyonce can you share any specific insights or stories you have around those?
Icons, YEAH i think you, know this is something that didn't come until later in the. Process you know this as an, author how things keep. Changing but, basically like two months out before my manuscript was, due we decided to begin each chapter with a story of some celebrity or well known figure and talk about how their design had showed up in their. Life and it was so fun BECAUSE i got to go down all these rabbit holes of these people THAT i really admire and was, like what did this actually show? Up like can you see? It AND i mean the moments are so, amazing you. Know Nelson mandela used him to pick in the chapter on. PROJECTORS i think there's an amazing story of him being on a small airplane with you, know somebody who helped write his, biography and like the plane starts, shaking like the propeller literally stops, moving and this, GUY i think his name Is Richard, stengel like goes to the pilot and he's, like the propeller has. Stopped what do we? Do and Like Nelson mandela is just like sitting there so, calmly like picks up his, newspaper like keeps, reading and like he was just like this man was like the most inspiring. Leader you, know he brought home when like everybody else was scared or when there was, chaos and so like he just really embodies kind of the subtle wisdom and leadership of. PROJECTORS i think That Maya. ANGELA i used her to begin the chapter on, manifestors and she's obviously just like an iconic manifestor because she was the first in so many ways for so many. Things for this, STORY i tell of hers which was fifteen and kind of her first job and how she found her way to That. Beyonce the STORY i actually use for her is to introduce the chapter on sacred authority like you have and it basically is like and it actually is funny talking about the book and how you did things because so much of sacred authority is like following what feels, right even when it like, goes you, know when it's not what anyone else is. Recommending and you, know there's like a way that people tend to drop, albums and LIKE i tell the story of her dropping In albahigue was twenty, thirteen where like there was no is she just oh, yeah she was like there you, go like there's so AND i think that it was and it raced the, internet but she broke the internet and it was very much like you read her reflections on that time and it was just very much like this is what felt right to, me and this is like WHAT i wanted to, do so like it was so, yeah it was really fun to kind of dig into these people and just see obviously LIKE i don't think they know their human. Design i'm guessing they, don't but like the magic of human design is that when people are living in, alignment they're just.
It, yeah you just observe, it you.
Know Gloria signum is another STORY i tell the, Manifesto like who was another amazing example of somebody just like initiating and bringing change and doing something, new you. Know Ru PAUL i tell a story of like he's a projector and it's like how his whole career began through this, invitation which is like the core thing for all. Projectors so, anyways it was one of my favorite parts to kind of research and.
Explore oh my, GOSH i love that so. Much i'm so fascinated by things like. That, also just small shout out To Nelson. MANDELA i actually named my son after, Him no, way my. Name my son's middle name Is, mandela because, yeah so, much so much about his life and the paradox of it and, yeah just what it would take to lead after going through what he went, through lead with a message of love like it's just. Found, yeah one of.
The greatest of all. Times, yeah you know. Who the generator example Is Lebron, james WHICH i feel like is such an amazing example for generators because generators are like their passion is so contagious and they're so masterful and so steady and like you look at you, know and it's at the moment when he like became the highest scoring player and all of THE, nba and like it's just, yeah he's such a great example of like what happens when you combine this like powerful dedication and commitment with it's like overflowing. Passion.
Yeah, god it his. Life like when when history really looks back at, it you, know with some, space it's going to be like what totally the things he's accomplished like death obviously obviously in, sports but, outside, like, yeah the things that he does for the, community for, people for the, world for, children it's just like. BREATHTAKING i, know he's. Amazing, Wow yeah it. Is, yeah this whole LANGUAGE i love. Too it's LIKE i feel LIKE i really live my. Design and that's such a good feeling, because as you've described, it it's just the feeling of being in. Alignment, yeah where you're picking on to things you're, like, OH i knew to do, that and actually, wow it says you know that that might be something good for. Me.
YEAH i feel like people can have these different experiences discovering their. Design one is a really affirming experience of like, oh, Yeah i'm already doing. This i'm so GLAD i. Learned and then there's also a very confronting experience of, Like i'm living everything opposite of, that which was my experience discovering my. Design so there's. Real, yeah my, GOD i was so far from my projector nature and it, was but it felt so true everything THAT i heard, that you, know human design gave me the tools to find my way into a way of operating that felt more. Certainly so it does. Both BUT i see people across the spectrum experiencing.
Deeply, well, well, NOW i know you've worked with some big companies with this. Work how does that process happen being able to apply that in the, workplace like you've worked With, meta With, amazon With. Unilever what are some changes that you see kind of in that bigger collective when they adopt some of this.
Awareness you, KNOW i think that it's honestly like a similar principle to parenting and. RELATIONSHIPS i think that things can get really confusing when we expect someone to be different than what they. Are but when you understand how somebody, operates things become, easier especially in teams like you, KNOW i came from WHEN i discovered human design in twenty, FIFTEEN i came from the startup world AND i was working with a number of startups that were amazing and also dysfunctional because it felt like people just didn't understand each. Other and so the first APPLICATION i saw for human design was, like this can be used as a tool to help teams understand each other. Better that was WHY i got into it in the first. Place AND i think What i've noticed with time is it really does that you sit with people and you can tell them very you, know, practically and, Like, okay this person might enjoy less, meetings they might need a lot more space to be in their own. Flow this person might really enjoy. Collaboration this person like does really well when they're invited. In this person needs specific, questions you. Know this person needs to mold things. Over this person is really instantaneous in their. Clarity, so you, know the way THAT i frame it in companies especially is very much, like let this spark a, conversation aroound how we operate, best instead of like you must. RESONATE i think it's a really nice opportunity to kind of think about how you operate. Best BUT i think WHAT i notice with teams is that when those inner personal dynamics are kind of brought to light in a really, clear explicit. Way it makes working together so much easier because it feels like they're able to kind of leverage each other's gifts in a way that is, great you, know and LIKE i sat with a team last, Week i've sat with them for many. Years it's a bakery that's like enfranchising right. Now and THE ceo is a, manifestor and manifestors are really good at like getting new ideas, started but not always great at sustaining that idea they've. Created and their gift is kickstarting. Ideas that's an amazing. Gift and it was so funny hearing her reflection on, it because she's, Like, GOD i start so many. THINGS i feel so much guilt around the fact THAT i just like my energy, DWINDOWS i can't finish. Them but within a team, context it was just really clear, that like her gift was, starting you, know other people could support her the. Finishing and so in a moment like, that she was, like, oh LIKE i can, actually like that is a gift on its, OWN i can just do.
That, yeah that's enough, enough exactly what you should be. Doing.
TOTALLY i love.
That that's so, Interesting, yeah BECAUSE i mean that IS i think the workplace especially is where you, know all of our spiritual curriculum sometimes goes to die if we're not working through, it or if we haven't worked through it with our. Family like it just always shows up in some way, form you, know at, work and work is also like the capital of, Comparison like it's just where the nature of it. Is you're surrounded by, that and so to lean into your actual strengths and. Creativity it's you, know, yeah it's, no it's no small. Thing it's pretty, revolutionary it, is you.
Know AND i THINK i also expected a lot of skepticism from. Teams, yeah BUT i just feel like a lot of people are like just they want to know about, themselves you, Know and LIKE i feel like even the most, resistant skeptical people tend to love it the most because they're, like it's undeniably.
Helpful.
Yea as much AS i don't want to believe, it it feels true to, me and it feels specific to, me and it feels useful to, me you. Know SO i think it's such a cool team and it's such a cool tool in, workplaces and, honestly like human, design as you, know is a little bit wild and like all the things that it can, do and with teams you can actually like layer everybody's charts on top of each other start to see where the gaps might, be WHICH i find incredibly useful because, wow you can with a team when there's a, gap like all the energy goes towards filling this, gap and when you realize like you just need another person that will feel, that it just it really tends to like shed light on these like mechanics in a way that is really.
Helpful it's so, interesting AND i definitely highly encourage those listening that may have your own small business or your own team of whatever, size but especially if you are building a team and you're an, entrepreneur it can be really powerful to do some of this as as team, building as understanding how to build your, empire how to build the. Thing, okay last we go back to your. Design, yes tell me THAT i.
Realized we got far from, it AND i was, LIKE i felt bad BECAUSE i want you to hear about your. Design, okay let me tell you a little bit. MORE i your six to two, profile which you, know BUT i love this about. YOU i have the same. Profile you guys can look up your, thought human design blueprint dot. Com and this will be true For i'll talk about the six verst it's true for anyone with a six in their. Profile you, know you are somebody obviously through what you. Do you're a very natural role. Model you're somebody who's meant to inspire, people not always because of like the things you, say but just because of like who you. Are like your authenticity is meant to be such a PERMISSION slp for others to also be. Authentic and the best part is that it's meant to keep getting. Better oh for. You, really the first thirty years we're meant to be trod ericor you, know like hard hard. Time it's just like the time to throw everything against the, wall not a time to figure much of it. Out maybe to, fifty where you are right now is a time where things might settle a little. Bit and by, settle like there's probably still going to be plenty of, change but there's just heightened clarity around what is actually worth your energy and what's. Not, YEAH i do find you, KNOW i don't think you're forty, yet, RIGHT i will be. Soon SO i find that the forties are such a full time for these people because they just become like intolerant of anything that's like not fully. Aligned you're probably in that.
Moment it's so.
Intolerant BUT i just like WHENEVER i so in their forties in this moment and they're just like not, this not, this And i'm like this is as somebody who's in my thirties right, Now i'm just LIKE i love these, people Like i'm ready TO i. CAN i can integrate it.
Now.
Yeah but then the third phase for you is fifty and, beyond and that's meant to be the time that you really hit your. Prime and it's like because you just like become yourself like in like such a, rooted embodied. Way and these, people LIKE i find their words have so much gravity they speak and everyone just kind of stop them. Listen.
Wow.
Wow the two in your profile is around the fact that you're very naturally, hermetic so time and space alone is an essential need of. Yours oh my, gosh aloof, yeah and that the gifts you carry are sometimes. Inexplicable you just have like your own way of doing things that is just like the de wi, way you, know in a way that like you might not always be to but how you do what you, do but it just. Works, yeah and so for, you it's not really leaning into the ways that feel easeful and natural to knowing they're the perfect way for you resonates very, deeply very very very. DEEPLY i share one more, Piece, okay are you? READY i think. So, Well i'm just you, Know i'm selfishly sharing by the pieces THAT i also share my. Design oh, okay two more pieces and Then i'll be. Done so there's another part of your design that's around the fact that you are somebody who we call it a freak to genius in human, design which is obviously a weird, names but it means that you are here to kind of explore pretty far, out cutting edge ideas and you've got an ability to really kind of simplify complex ideas in a way that makes them palatable to a lot more. People and a big lesson for. You but do you resonate with? THAT i so resonate with.
That.
Yeah another a big lesson for you is around the fact that things that might seem really obvious to you are not obvious to other. People oh my, god so, yeah so so.
Much.
Yeah journey is, like how CAN i make the things. Obvious not let me not assume that they're. Obvious how CAN i communicate them in a way that makes them make?
Sense oh my, god that part has BEEN i, think, yeah like an ongoing thing for me to study and observe in myself BECAUSE i, think, YEAH i, mean from the vast majority of my, LIFE i used to feel so frustrated with, humans with human beings in, general BECAUSE i DIDN'T i thought everyone knew WHAT i. KNEW i thought everyone saw the world exactly HOW i see, it and they were just refusing to be better or refusing to make a better choice or you, know and so it would just WHEN i was, younger was, frustrating LIKE i felt like everyone was like the world was playing a joke on, me THAT i could see things so clearly or understand like the good choice or the better way of doing. It, yeah AND i felt that everyone on purpose was trying to make my life TO i, know this sounds, insane Doesn't but then kind of learning that it's changed me because it's definitely one showed Me i'm meant to, teach AND i think that was the biggest gift THAT i could take away from. It it's, like, no this isn't about being. Frustrated you have this understanding because you're meant to share it or you're meant to help other people connect maybe to a bigger thought or a more expanded. Way but UNTIL i got, that life felt really. Frustrating it felt really. Frustrating it's, like you, know it's like the saying of, like you, know common sense isn't. Common it's like imagining that everyone else sees it and gets, it and they're, like, oh no they. Don't but that doesn't have to be a bad. Thing, no they're not wrong for that. Totally it's just so release your frustration and sometimes just hold your. Tongue just, know, Hey i'm seeing it this. WAY i don't have to do anything with that information or know when it's time to share the, perspective the, site the ability to see certain things that others.
Don't, yeah AND i think you actually speak to another really important part of this, gift which is around if you share your insights with those that are not, ready it often will go right over their head and cultivate a lot of bitterness in. You, yeah when you wait until the invitation is, there and until you have learned how to simplify it and distill the knowledge in a way that makes it make. Sense then you're seen as an absolute. Genius so it's like just waiting for the right, moment waiting for this simplifying process to, occur you, know also can ease some of that. Frustration And i'm also glad you said frustration because we all have aspects in our. Design this is support in the book that can reveal whether we're on or off, track simple and yet useful for you when you are off, track which honestly happens for all of. Us off track is not a great word for, that but just like a course direct is, needed is. Frustration, Yeah and like that can jump in small, ways of, course but when it's strung up in more, persistent deep, ways it basically is an invitation for you to, say is there another way to do?
This oh my? God that has been so life changing for. Me like that the simplicity of that of knowing that frustration versus a feeling of being satisfied is how all, know, Right and so it's like now that has kind of aligned in my life for the last few. Years where as soon AS i feel, FRUSTRATED i let. Go like IF i feel frustration happening around SOMETHING i instantaneously now, know let go step, back you, know don't pursue or find find a different, way but create some space around all of, it you. Know and that's that's made life so much more enjoyable for. Me you, know it feels so much better to not be harboring this feeling of frustration and just, say, oh that's not the path if it feels that.
Way, totally, like that's actually information for you to see if it change is, needed, yeah you, know and just you, know to give people an experience of the, opposite not the, opposite but a different. One for, me it's, bitterness like not the recognized or appreciated or seen is the moment for me to step back and be, like is this really the right place for? Me for some people's, angers kind of feeling disempowered and not free to do what they, want when they, want how they, want that's true for manifestors and some people's. Disappointment so, again we will all experience all of these, feelings and yet there's one that tends to like speak to the core of, like, oh like something about this is not.
Right, yeah, okay last question for you as your book is getting ready to come into the. World how are you feeling about this moment in your? Life how are you relating to this? Moment?
Oh, man it's harder THAN i thought it'd be this. MOMENT i think it is in part BECAUSE i have two young kiddos AND i feels a little bit two ful at the. MOMENT i think this whole experience of writing a book has been a lesson and, render AND i think we spoke about this a little. BIT i think THAT i feel Like i've done everything THAT i can do to create the book THAT i feel LIKE i need to be, written to get it out as much AS i, can and NOW i have to like let a book take on a life of its. Own SO i actually feel it really excited to kind of like set it off to see and let it do its own. Thing it feels Like i've Like i've prepared the, ship you, know and now it's out of my. Hands SO i actually feel like the leading up is hard BECAUSE i Think i'm really ready to be on the other side of, it WHICH i will be once THIS i, think is. Out BUT i THINK i just like am ready for it to take on its own life and let it go to its own thing in the.
World amazing. Congratulation thank you so.
Much.
OH i have a discout code for your community for The Blueprint guide if you want to get your. Guy the discount code Is Debbie, Yay. Yay thank you so much for.
That thank. You and we'll put all that in the show notes, Everyone so we'll put the, website we'll put the link to the, book we'll put the discount code in all of. Things so just as you're listening to, this scroll down and read and click and you'll find. It aaron your, Book how do You? Choose A Human Design guide to what's best for you at work and love and in, Life officially birthed into the world this Tourus baby On may thirteenth and also available for pre order everywhere you get Books. Now as our, final, final final, THING i invite every guest at the end of the show to share a little soul work with everyone. Listening that can be a favorite, Practice it can be a thought, starter a, prompt a, quote but anything to help integrate what everyone has been listening to in this.
Episode, okay CAN i do a question for each?
Night?
Yeah, SO i think the REFLECTION i would have for, generators is what in your life right now feels the most, Satisfying, like what is the thing that you would feel so glad to have? Done and how can you carve out space for that this? Week is there a thing that comes to mind for?
You?
NOW i need to add more pleasure to my. WEEK i need to, like, Yeah i'm, busy, busy busy with book. Travel, yeah SO i need to get a little more sleep While i'm. Home and THEN i want to do something that just feels deeply enjoyable but not productive.
Exactly it's, like how can you do a thing that's, like feels fun and enjoyable and satisfying just because, yeah without needed to monetize or make anything of. It for manifesting, GENERATORS i would ask whether you are continuing to commit to anything out of obligation and a desire to please rather than what you actually still have the energy. For allowing your energy to naturally dwindle and you, know indicate that something new is. AHEAD i think as a, PROJECTOR i would encourage you to carve out space in your week to be deliberately, unpretty to have a moment of rest where you're producing. Nothing for, REFLECTORS i would encourage you to go spend time in a place that you just love a, cafe a, park a, museum and truest that being in the right spaces is the fastest path of finding your flow and. MANIFESTORS i would encourage you to carve out a, moment so are these, stop these are no longer. QUESTIONS i would encourage you to carve out a moment in your week to have time to be. Uninterrupted whatever you want to, do passion, project, whatever but just time for you to kind of close the door and be in your own.
Face thank you so, Much Aaron Claire. Jones thank you for joining, Us thank you for having. Me everybody share this episode with a. Friend go ahead and get that code and get your human design. On figure, out, yeah some of those deeper layers of how you can be used and maximize your human experience while you're. Here thank you for listening to the. Show please drop a review and we'll be back next week, now. Misdayay the content presented On Deeply wells serves solely for educational and informational. Purposes it should not be considered a replacement for personalized medical or mental health, guidance and does not constitute a provider patient. Relationship as, always it is advisable to consult with your healthcare provider or health team for any specific concerns or questions that you may. Have connect with me on social At Debbie. Brown That's twitter And, instagram or you can go to my Website Debbie brown dot. Com and if you're listening to the show On Apple, podcasts don't, Forget please, rate, review and subscribe and send this episode to a. Friend Deeply well is a production Of iHeartRadio And The Black Effect. Network it's produced By Jacqueis, Thomas Samantha, timmins and Me Debbie. Brown The Beautiful Soundback You Heard that's By Jarrelyn glass From Crystal. Cadence for more podcasts From, iHeartRadio visit The iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your favorite. Shows
