Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a murder suspect now claiming he he has PTSD post traumatic stress syndrome. After he finds Mattie's Soto, just fourteen years old, he finds her already ice cold with blue lips. This revealed and a stunning secret jailhouse recorded call. He's also whining about his mattress and his food, and we learn as he's whining to mommy and daddy on the phone, he actually blames Maddie's mother, Jin Soto, for her daughter's sex abuse and murder. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a murder suspect now claiming he he has PTSD post traumatic stress syndrome. After he finds Mattie's Soto, just fourteen years old, he finds her already ice cold with blue lips. This revealed and a stunning secret jailhouse recorded call. He's also whining about his mattress and his food, and we learn as he's whining to mommy and daddy on the phone, he actually blames Maddie's mother, Jin Soto, for her daughter's sex abuse and murder. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Oh, it's not the Rists, not the Rits. You're charged with murder, Stephan Stearns, the murder of a fourteen year old little girl. Hello, I know you're watching the jailhouse TV on your phone. According to police, thousands of images of fourteen year old Maddie's Soto were found naked, being raped and more. Okay, that's you, and now you're complaining about your mattress, going so far as to give the jail a one star review on yelp. What are you thinking? The stories are changing? And all I can say is, thank you Heaven for technology, or I would never be able to hear what Stephan Stearns is claiming, for instance, that his girlfriend Jen Soto, she's the one to blame for little Maddie's rape and sex abuse and so much more. And he's now saying, wait for it, that he found Maddie's body ice cold, her lips blue.

Oh, it's not the Rists, not the Rits. You're charged with murder, Stephan Stearns, the murder of a fourteen year old little girl. Hello, I know you're watching the jailhouse TV on your phone. According to police, thousands of images of fourteen year old Maddie's Soto were found naked, being raped and more. Okay, that's you, and now you're complaining about your mattress, going so far as to give the jail a one star review on yelp. What are you thinking? The stories are changing? And all I can say is, thank you Heaven for technology, or I would never be able to hear what Stephan Stearns is claiming, for instance, that his girlfriend Jen Soto, she's the one to blame for little Maddie's rape and sex abuse and so much more. And he's now saying, wait for it, that he found Maddie's body ice cold, her lips blue.

Listen, just see.

Listen, just see.

Her pale face and through lips, and how I was cold she was And it's crazy.

Her pale face and through lips, and how I was cold she was And it's crazy.

Yeah, I remember seeing my brother when he had passed away, and this is the last thing I remember seeing him.

Yeah, I remember seeing my brother when he had passed away, and this is the last thing I remember seeing him.

So there, you know, it's just you can tell, yes, you can my dad.

So there, you know, it's just you can tell, yes, you can my dad.

Yeah, it's just.

Yeah, it's just.

When we're gone, really really truly gone. It's just there's nothing you can do coming back.

When we're gone, really really truly gone. It's just there's nothing you can do coming back.

Well, you could get the death penalty, you could do that. But whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Okay with me an all star pound, it makes sense of what I'm mean. And I've got a ton of these deal house calls. I don't know if I can even get through them, because each one is a bombshell. This is going to be hard. But Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, I'll give him the whole intro in a moment, but just one word. What was this girl's cod cause of death? One word?

Well, you could get the death penalty, you could do that. But whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Okay with me an all star pound, it makes sense of what I'm mean. And I've got a ton of these deal house calls. I don't know if I can even get through them, because each one is a bombshell. This is going to be hard. But Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, I'll give him the whole intro in a moment, but just one word. What was this girl's cod cause of death? One word?

Yeah, with strangulation Nancy up close and personal with his hands wrapped around her neck.

Yeah, with strangulation Nancy up close and personal with his hands wrapped around her neck.

Shannon Butler joining me, investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine, in this jurisdiction in Florida, Shannon, there's so much in these jailhouse calls and I cannot wait for them to be played in front of a jury. From giving the jailhouse a one story view on Yelp for their food and Mattress whining about the lights, it goes on and on, blaming Jen Soto, Mattie's mother, for her sex abuse and murder. But now and I find more probative, Shannon, he's giving more stories about how Maddie was killed. And the reason I went to Joe Scott Morgan for Pete's saint. He's a death investigator a thousand K under his belt is because you hear him on the jailhouse call stating that when you find them that way that's really going to stay with you when you find them that way, and they compare the mom and dad compare Mattie's murder to an elderly uncle or brother passing away from old age. Mattie was strangled dead, likely after being raped. What is this guy thinking?

Shannon Butler joining me, investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine, in this jurisdiction in Florida, Shannon, there's so much in these jailhouse calls and I cannot wait for them to be played in front of a jury. From giving the jailhouse a one story view on Yelp for their food and Mattress whining about the lights, it goes on and on, blaming Jen Soto, Mattie's mother, for her sex abuse and murder. But now and I find more probative, Shannon, he's giving more stories about how Maddie was killed. And the reason I went to Joe Scott Morgan for Pete's saint. He's a death investigator a thousand K under his belt is because you hear him on the jailhouse call stating that when you find them that way that's really going to stay with you when you find them that way, and they compare the mom and dad compare Mattie's murder to an elderly uncle or brother passing away from old age. Mattie was strangled dead, likely after being raped. What is this guy thinking?

Well, and according to him, he knew that right, because he also says on these calls that he had seen her autopsy. But what he could not explain, even to his parents when they tried to ask some questions, was what happened between eleven PM when she supposedly went upstairs with him in that bedroom and what happened at dawn where he now says he found her. So the parents kind of asked, well, you know what happened. He's like, well, you know, I don't know. I just came back in the room. I can't sleep at night, so she started with me in the room. Then I up and walked around the house because you know, I can never sleep, And when I came back, that's how I found her. Could not explain all of those hours before he now says he found her body, which is a story, by the way, that we had never heard. We've heard a few stories from him. But this was the first time we heard that too.

Well, and according to him, he knew that right, because he also says on these calls that he had seen her autopsy. But what he could not explain, even to his parents when they tried to ask some questions, was what happened between eleven PM when she supposedly went upstairs with him in that bedroom and what happened at dawn where he now says he found her. So the parents kind of asked, well, you know what happened. He's like, well, you know, I don't know. I just came back in the room. I can't sleep at night, so she started with me in the room. Then I up and walked around the house because you know, I can never sleep, And when I came back, that's how I found her. Could not explain all of those hours before he now says he found her body, which is a story, by the way, that we had never heard. We've heard a few stories from him. But this was the first time we heard that too.

Shanna Butler, joining US investigative reporter WFTV. I am beside myself, not only that this fourteen year old girl died in her own home with her mom snoring away in the next room or a few rooms over, but could you just give everyone a refresher a nutshell, a cliff note on what was found on Stearns's own cell phone after he tried to wipe it up all its information.

Shanna Butler, joining US investigative reporter WFTV. I am beside myself, not only that this fourteen year old girl died in her own home with her mom snoring away in the next room or a few rooms over, but could you just give everyone a refresher a nutshell, a cliff note on what was found on Stearns's own cell phone after he tried to wipe it up all its information.

Oh, horrifying images of abusing Madeline Soto since she was eight, nine, ten years old. That's the video videos that they found on his phone. He tried to get rid of him, He didn't. That was, you know, obviously immediate red flag for law enforcement. And now to say, you know, I didn't have anything to do with any of this. She slept with me, None of this, you know, happened. I had left, and you know, I guess he must have forgotten that they had lots and lots of video of what happens in the evening.

Oh, horrifying images of abusing Madeline Soto since she was eight, nine, ten years old. That's the video videos that they found on his phone. He tried to get rid of him, He didn't. That was, you know, obviously immediate red flag for law enforcement. And now to say, you know, I didn't have anything to do with any of this. She slept with me, None of this, you know, happened. I had left, and you know, I guess he must have forgotten that they had lots and lots of video of what happens in the evening.

You know, it's amazing to me, and I'm gonna play in just a moment how his mom totally enabling him, saying this was forced on you. You were set up and actually telling him, yeah, you have PTSD because you found her body. Okay to Phillip Dbay joining me up, Philip, we're not in court. Okay, you don't have to impress a high pain client. So don't throw any Latin phrases at me. Let's not make anything up. Just spinning out a whole cloth. What kind of a sick freak not only repeatedly rapes a child and over but films it one.

You know, it's amazing to me, and I'm gonna play in just a moment how his mom totally enabling him, saying this was forced on you. You were set up and actually telling him, yeah, you have PTSD because you found her body. Okay to Phillip Dbay joining me up, Philip, we're not in court. Okay, you don't have to impress a high pain client. So don't throw any Latin phrases at me. Let's not make anything up. Just spinning out a whole cloth. What kind of a sick freak not only repeatedly rapes a child and over but films it one.

Who engages in what I call virtual porn. That would be the defense because they have to prove, according to a case from the US Supreme Court dating back to two thousand and two called Ashcroft, that.

Who engages in what I call virtual porn. That would be the defense because they have to prove, according to a case from the US Supreme Court dating back to two thousand and two called Ashcroft, that.

It is a live person.

It is a live person.

You're looking at me like I'm nuts, but that is a valid First Amendment defense.

You're looking at me like I'm nuts, but that is a valid First Amendment defense.

How are they going to lay a foundation?

How are they going to lay a foundation?

Well, Jackie, I need a nitro glistening peel, and I need it right now. Okay, First Amendment, right to free speech.

Well, Jackie, I need a nitro glistening peel, and I need it right now. Okay, First Amendment, right to free speech.

Correct political cultural That.

Correct political cultural That.

May in California, but I guarantee you it's not going to work in Florida. Did you just say virtual porn could be a defense.

May in California, but I guarantee you it's not going to work in Florida. Did you just say virtual porn could be a defense.

I'm sorry, Well, to the sex crimes.

I'm sorry, Well, to the sex crimes.

Why did I open Pandora's books and ask him a question.

Why did I open Pandora's books and ask him a question.

Never mind a race erase, Let's go back to the jail house calls, guys, while Dobay Steve's in his own juices coming up with a zaney defense of virtual porn.

Never mind a race erase, Let's go back to the jail house calls, guys, while Dobay Steve's in his own juices coming up with a zaney defense of virtual porn.

Let's listen to more of Stephan Stearn's jail house calls. Now. In this one, he is blaming Jen Soto, Mattie's mom, And yes, there's a lot to be said about her, but how can you blame her for Maddie's rape and murder? But but just listen, you know, Stepan, I can't help forget the feeling that none.

Let's listen to more of Stephan Stearn's jail house calls. Now. In this one, he is blaming Jen Soto, Mattie's mom, And yes, there's a lot to be said about her, but how can you blame her for Maddie's rape and murder? But but just listen, you know, Stepan, I can't help forget the feeling that none.

Of this that was on the phone with a surprise.

Of this that was on the phone with a surprise.

She was awareness that certain feelings towards with Yeah, well why you She used to joke about it, you know Ford an electric conspect you better not leave me for my daughter? Was your older like Ted ask about an age and most uber meaning comments on me and talk about me together and jiggle and talk about how nice I loved it was. It was not an appropriate situation.

She was awareness that certain feelings towards with Yeah, well why you She used to joke about it, you know Ford an electric conspect you better not leave me for my daughter? Was your older like Ted ask about an age and most uber meaning comments on me and talk about me together and jiggle and talk about how nice I loved it was. It was not an appropriate situation.

Like murder is okay? Wait that just I can hardly piece this apart. Shannon Butler helped me. I got to bring in a shrink also to explain what, it's an electric complex. But I'm not a shrink, neither of you. You give me the facts. Did you hear what he just says? The mom says, basically, Jen Soto set you up, that she was quote aware of Maddie's feelings about me and the mom this. Deborah sterns, well, then why would she send her in there to sleep with you?

Like murder is okay? Wait that just I can hardly piece this apart. Shannon Butler helped me. I got to bring in a shrink also to explain what, it's an electric complex. But I'm not a shrink, neither of you. You give me the facts. Did you hear what he just says? The mom says, basically, Jen Soto set you up, that she was quote aware of Maddie's feelings about me and the mom this. Deborah sterns, well, then why would she send her in there to sleep with you?

Like what?

Like what?

Like it's it's Jim's fault and I'm certainly not defending the mother. He says. She used to joke about it, you know, call it Electra and warn me I could never leave her for her daughter. What is he talking about, Shannon?

Like it's it's Jim's fault and I'm certainly not defending the mother. He says. She used to joke about it, you know, call it Electra and warn me I could never leave her for her daughter. What is he talking about, Shannon?

Well, remember there's all these conversations about how Jena always thought this was kind of a Woody Allen situation and that that could happen. So it was very clear that Jen Soto had some indication that something was just not right in this relationship, but for whatever reason, that did not change her. Letting you know, Madeline Soto sleep with him, sleep with both of them. It is so bizarre to me. And this is what, at least here in Orlando, all the viewers get so upset over this. When they hear stuff like that, they immediately believe that Jen Sodo had to have known something and that nothing's happened in that case. Right, she is not charged with anything, And people just can't understand how a mother would joke about anything like that.

Well, remember there's all these conversations about how Jena always thought this was kind of a Woody Allen situation and that that could happen. So it was very clear that Jen Soto had some indication that something was just not right in this relationship, but for whatever reason, that did not change her. Letting you know, Madeline Soto sleep with him, sleep with both of them. It is so bizarre to me. And this is what, at least here in Orlando, all the viewers get so upset over this. When they hear stuff like that, they immediately believe that Jen Sodo had to have known something and that nothing's happened in that case. Right, she is not charged with anything, And people just can't understand how a mother would joke about anything like that.

And even when I hear, we go, why why why? Shannon Shannon, Shannon Shannon, hold on, you're jumping on the bandwagon. And yes, I've got huge problems with gen Soto, huge sending her daughter off to sleep, and this was much younger than fourteen alone with her living boyfriend. But she Jen Soto may have been wrong. Well, forget it, she was wrong. That's a whole other can of worms. Maybe they haven't charged her because they want her testimony. I don't know what they're doing. And of course she hasn't been charged. She's innocent until proven guilty. I'm talking about the murder. Tom Smith is joining me, former NYP detective. I'm beside myself. Oh guys, if you want to find Tom Smith, he is co host of the gold Shield Show at goldshieldshow dot com. Why I've got a dead fourteen year old girl body dumped. Video has emerged of what we believe is Stephan Stern's dumping her limp body Another bombshell tonight is that dcomp enzymes from dcomp are found on the front seat of the car where he Stephan Stearns had Maddie buckled in like they're riding to school. She decomped onto the front seat. Yeah, explain that, sterns how are you gonna blame Jens Soto for that? And listen, Tom Smith, I'm not defending Jen Soto. I'm talking about the murder and Stephan Stern's blaming her. I mean, it's always like this, It's always this pointing the finger at somebody else.

And even when I hear, we go, why why why? Shannon Shannon, Shannon Shannon, hold on, you're jumping on the bandwagon. And yes, I've got huge problems with gen Soto, huge sending her daughter off to sleep, and this was much younger than fourteen alone with her living boyfriend. But she Jen Soto may have been wrong. Well, forget it, she was wrong. That's a whole other can of worms. Maybe they haven't charged her because they want her testimony. I don't know what they're doing. And of course she hasn't been charged. She's innocent until proven guilty. I'm talking about the murder. Tom Smith is joining me, former NYP detective. I'm beside myself. Oh guys, if you want to find Tom Smith, he is co host of the gold Shield Show at goldshieldshow dot com. Why I've got a dead fourteen year old girl body dumped. Video has emerged of what we believe is Stephan Stern's dumping her limp body Another bombshell tonight is that dcomp enzymes from dcomp are found on the front seat of the car where he Stephan Stearns had Maddie buckled in like they're riding to school. She decomped onto the front seat. Yeah, explain that, sterns how are you gonna blame Jens Soto for that? And listen, Tom Smith, I'm not defending Jen Soto. I'm talking about the murder and Stephan Stern's blaming her. I mean, it's always like this, It's always this pointing the finger at somebody else.

Right, this is a monster, bottom line, end of discussion, where he the life of this young girl and just blames everybody else for his actions. He's very well aware what he did and how he did it, but tends to let's deflect to this and that. I mean, he is a flat out monster. And the other part of this, like you said, this girl was surrounded by people that enabled him to do this, and she was the poor victim in this case. Mom, this guy's parents all having an understanding of what was going on and let it happen and inevitably just took her life.

Right, this is a monster, bottom line, end of discussion, where he the life of this young girl and just blames everybody else for his actions. He's very well aware what he did and how he did it, but tends to let's deflect to this and that. I mean, he is a flat out monster. And the other part of this, like you said, this girl was surrounded by people that enabled him to do this, and she was the poor victim in this case. Mom, this guy's parents all having an understanding of what was going on and let it happen and inevitably just took her life.

You know.

You know.

Philip D. Bay A veteran trial lawyer out of LA County. Don't you just love when you find out what your client's really thinking on jail house calls. It's not like they don't know they're being recorded. Every thirty seconds or so, there's a recording that states you were on a jail line. Everybody knows what's happening, but yet they still blab Yeah.

Philip D. Bay A veteran trial lawyer out of LA County. Don't you just love when you find out what your client's really thinking on jail house calls. It's not like they don't know they're being recorded. Every thirty seconds or so, there's a recording that states you were on a jail line. Everybody knows what's happening, but yet they still blab Yeah.

I don't know where that whole phenomenon comes from, except to say that they think that if they change their original story into multiple iterations of how it could have gone down, that they're saving their hide. But the truth is they're creating multiple inconsistencies and points toward guilt. I tell every client the initial consult don't talk to anybody. Don't talk on the phone about your case. You have to just talk about the weather, talk about your favorite holiday, talk about how much you miss everybody, but don't get into the facts of your case.

I don't know where that whole phenomenon comes from, except to say that they think that if they change their original story into multiple iterations of how it could have gone down, that they're saving their hide. But the truth is they're creating multiple inconsistencies and points toward guilt. I tell every client the initial consult don't talk to anybody. Don't talk on the phone about your case. You have to just talk about the weather, talk about your favorite holiday, talk about how much you miss everybody, but don't get into the facts of your case.

Otherwise you know what happens.

Otherwise you know what happens.

I get a terabiede of data on an external hard drive that I got to listen to from the DA's office and then have to sit out and lock up and play for the client. And what does it really amount to? Additional inculpatory evidence.

I get a terabiede of data on an external hard drive that I got to listen to from the DA's office and then have to sit out and lock up and play for the client. And what does it really amount to? Additional inculpatory evidence.

Hey, Anna Sonoda, question to you, Anna Sinoda, child's six abiece and grooming expert, social worker and author of Duck Duck Groom. Can we just get real for a moment about what this little girl just just turned fourtean. This is like thirty six hours out after her thirteenth birthday party, after her fourteenth birthday party, right, she just turned she's practically thirteen. What she went through on a nightly basis with her mother down the hall snoring away. This is a.

Hey, Anna Sonoda, question to you, Anna Sinoda, child's six abiece and grooming expert, social worker and author of Duck Duck Groom. Can we just get real for a moment about what this little girl just just turned fourtean. This is like thirty six hours out after her thirteenth birthday party, after her fourteenth birthday party, right, she just turned she's practically thirteen. What she went through on a nightly basis with her mother down the hall snoring away. This is a.

Horrific case, Nancy, and it has been since we started discussing it over a year ago when she was first missing. What we have to remember is that cases like Maddie's are happening across this country every day. And what we can do and what we can help share with your audience and your listeners is that predators seek out single parents, often single mothers, who have multiple vulnerabilities, whether it's as work schedule, whether it's insecure finances. And Stearns took advantage at every single turn because he knew that he wanted access to or Maddie, and unfortunately, tragically she was the victim through and through in this case. It's my understanding that Jessica has that Jennifer excuse me.

Horrific case, Nancy, and it has been since we started discussing it over a year ago when she was first missing. What we have to remember is that cases like Maddie's are happening across this country every day. And what we can do and what we can help share with your audience and your listeners is that predators seek out single parents, often single mothers, who have multiple vulnerabilities, whether it's as work schedule, whether it's insecure finances. And Stearns took advantage at every single turn because he knew that he wanted access to or Maddie, and unfortunately, tragically she was the victim through and through in this case. It's my understanding that Jessica has that Jennifer excuse me.

Has immunity from within.

Has immunity from within.

This case, and she is giving as much information to the police and investigators in order for Stearns to face the full face of justice here in this case.

This case, and she is giving as much information to the police and investigators in order for Stearns to face the full face of justice here in this case.

Well, I discovered her.

Well, I discovered her.

In the state that you were in after everything with doing so, Philip debay, why didn't he call nine on one? If you just found her quote ice cold with blue lips, why do you think it was a better idea to dress her up in school clothes and strap her dead body into his car and drive around like he was taking her to school and then throw away her laptop and her backpack and throw her body in a densely wooded area when he could have just called nine one one, thoughts.

In the state that you were in after everything with doing so, Philip debay, why didn't he call nine on one? If you just found her quote ice cold with blue lips, why do you think it was a better idea to dress her up in school clothes and strap her dead body into his car and drive around like he was taking her to school and then throw away her laptop and her backpack and throw her body in a densely wooded area when he could have just called nine one one, thoughts.

The only arguments that he and Avail himself to is that he was trying to protect the mother. That they're believe it or not, there was still some type of feelings toward the mother and he didn't want her to get into trouble, and certainly he did not want to be accused of doing anything to the child.

The only arguments that he and Avail himself to is that he was trying to protect the mother. That they're believe it or not, there was still some type of feelings toward the mother and he didn't want her to get into trouble, and certainly he did not want to be accused of doing anything to the child.

So what do you do. The first thing that comes to mind is you ditch the evidence. If you will.

So what do you do. The first thing that comes to mind is you ditch the evidence. If you will.

And in this particular case, it happens to be the remains of his child, and he was in panic mode. And what do you do in panic mode? You don't think things through. You do things sort of off the cuff, like an amateur. And he got caught.

And in this particular case, it happens to be the remains of his child, and he was in panic mode. And what do you do in panic mode? You don't think things through. You do things sort of off the cuff, like an amateur. And he got caught.

Okay, so hold on, are you actually going along with this theory filed debay that he found Maddy did no.

Okay, so hold on, are you actually going along with this theory filed debay that he found Maddy did no.

Not in the least. But if I had to defend him, that would be the argument. Believe me, this man would not want me on his jury. But I'm just saying that if I were commissioned by the court to defend him, I would argue to the jury that he had no hand in her death, had nothing to do with it, and point the finger to a third party culprit.

Not in the least. But if I had to defend him, that would be the argument. Believe me, this man would not want me on his jury. But I'm just saying that if I were commissioned by the court to defend him, I would argue to the jury that he had no hand in her death, had nothing to do with it, and point the finger to a third party culprit.

And who would be the easy dupe in this case, the mother.

And who would be the easy dupe in this case, the mother.

Okay, you would actually say that to a jury, even though you believe it's a lie.

Okay, you would actually say that to a jury, even though you believe it's a lie.

There is no room for political correctness in a criminal trial. If you're going to worry about what the public, what the court.

There is no room for political correctness in a criminal trial. If you're going to worry about what the public, what the court.

I'm not asking what the public thinks, I'm asking you. Could you argue that to a straight face with do a jury when you believe in your heart, he did.

I'm not asking what the public thinks, I'm asking you. Could you argue that to a straight face with do a jury when you believe in your heart, he did.

It, of course.

It, of course.

Look, my beliefs, my personal judgment do not shade or color how I defend a client. All I need to know is that my theories are supported by sufficient evidence. If they are supported, I think it would be legal malpractice not to present it on the client's behalf and leave it in the hands of a jury to decide what, if anything, to do with it. But to just leave it, I could see an appellated attorney all over it on appeal, especially if he's condemned for murder.

Look, my beliefs, my personal judgment do not shade or color how I defend a client. All I need to know is that my theories are supported by sufficient evidence. If they are supported, I think it would be legal malpractice not to present it on the client's behalf and leave it in the hands of a jury to decide what, if anything, to do with it. But to just leave it, I could see an appellated attorney all over it on appeal, especially if he's condemned for murder.

Guys, we're talking about Stepan Stearn's secret jailhouse calls just revealed now here. He seems to blame Maddie's murder on lack of boundaries and poor quote sleeping arrangements.

Guys, we're talking about Stepan Stearn's secret jailhouse calls just revealed now here. He seems to blame Maddie's murder on lack of boundaries and poor quote sleeping arrangements.

Listen, you know always had an issue with boundaries. She never respected any boundaries that I tried to say. You know, I be gotten argument on more than one occasion about just sleeping arrangement. So I know what baker, you know, keep sleep her own room and said you hear this way for me to wake her up.

Listen, you know always had an issue with boundaries. She never respected any boundaries that I tried to say. You know, I be gotten argument on more than one occasion about just sleeping arrangement. So I know what baker, you know, keep sleep her own room and said you hear this way for me to wake her up.

When you hear me, and hold on, Joe Scott Morgan, help me. Joe Scott Morgan is joining me. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a hit podcast series Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. It goes on and on. Joe Scott, do you hear this. I don't know how many child murder cases you have dealt with, but Stephan Stearns, charged in Maddie's Soto's murder, says, I beg the mom make her sleep in her own room, and so I raped her.

When you hear me, and hold on, Joe Scott Morgan, help me. Joe Scott Morgan is joining me. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a hit podcast series Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. It goes on and on. Joe Scott, do you hear this. I don't know how many child murder cases you have dealt with, but Stephan Stearns, charged in Maddie's Soto's murder, says, I beg the mom make her sleep in her own room, and so I raped her.

It's beyond bizarre. When you begin to think about this and over and over and over again, think about it is from an evidentiary standpoint, this guy has literally literally documented his steps up to the gallows. When you begin to think about this, over all of these years, relative to these horrible images that have been recovered, and then we have to get to this point where he is finding her, finding her cold, her lips are blue, these sorts of things. I'll tell you why her lips are blue, because if in fact, we are to believe and I do what the medical examiner said, that this is an asphyxial death viz. A VI strangulation, that means that she would have become cyonautic as hands perhaps his, were wrapped around her throat and squeezed the life out of her. So her lips are in fact going to turn blue. It's not just as a result of decompositional changes. You have this that's going on, and we still don't know everything relative to the autopsy report. One of the things that they're thinking about, and they have expressed concern, and I use that terming quotes, is the highroid bone. There's something that they're seeing with the hyoid bone and Nancy, as you well know, generally the only way that a hyoid bone becomes fractured is by applying direct pressure.

It's beyond bizarre. When you begin to think about this and over and over and over again, think about it is from an evidentiary standpoint, this guy has literally literally documented his steps up to the gallows. When you begin to think about this, over all of these years, relative to these horrible images that have been recovered, and then we have to get to this point where he is finding her, finding her cold, her lips are blue, these sorts of things. I'll tell you why her lips are blue, because if in fact, we are to believe and I do what the medical examiner said, that this is an asphyxial death viz. A VI strangulation, that means that she would have become cyonautic as hands perhaps his, were wrapped around her throat and squeezed the life out of her. So her lips are in fact going to turn blue. It's not just as a result of decompositional changes. You have this that's going on, and we still don't know everything relative to the autopsy report. One of the things that they're thinking about, and they have expressed concern, and I use that terming quotes, is the highroid bone. There's something that they're seeing with the hyoid bone and Nancy, as you well know, generally the only way that a hyoid bone becomes fractured is by applying direct pressure.

Crime stores with Nancy Grace Scott. Whenever anyone says highoid bone, I feel it's important that we show where the hyoid is if you could.

Crime stores with Nancy Grace Scott. Whenever anyone says highoid bone, I feel it's important that we show where the hyoid is if you could.

Yeah, it's the only non articulating bone in the body. That means it doesn't connect to any other bony structures. It's sole purpose, Nancy, is to anchor the tongue in the back of the neck or in the back of the throat. So it's right in this and it's it's kind of we describe it in forensicology as being bird shape, all right, but it's kind of in a horseshoe shape and it anchors the tongue in the back.

Yeah, it's the only non articulating bone in the body. That means it doesn't connect to any other bony structures. It's sole purpose, Nancy, is to anchor the tongue in the back of the neck or in the back of the throat. So it's right in this and it's it's kind of we describe it in forensicology as being bird shape, all right, but it's kind of in a horseshoe shape and it anchors the tongue in the back.

Of the throat like a wishbone. It kind of.

Of the throat like a wishbone. It kind of.

Does, only without the little stem on it. Okay, but it.

Does, only without the little stem on it. Okay, but it.

Looks more's not really attached to any bonds. It's not like the hip bone connected.

Looks more's not really attached to any bonds. It's not like the hip bone connected.

To that's the leg bone.

To that's the leg bone.

It's connected just hanging there.

It's connected just hanging there.

Yeah, it is. And it's got two horns, two well, two major horns and lesser horns that are up here. And when it's snapped, you can see these little fracture lines and there'll be focal areas of hemorrhage in there as well. They're seeing something there, Nancy. This is repeated over and over again relative to the highwaid bone. They have concern about it. That means direct pressure would have had been applied in order to fracture this thing, and that means coming in with a sea clamp or throttling this sort of thing in order to choke the life out of this job.

Yeah, it is. And it's got two horns, two well, two major horns and lesser horns that are up here. And when it's snapped, you can see these little fracture lines and there'll be focal areas of hemorrhage in there as well. They're seeing something there, Nancy. This is repeated over and over again relative to the highwaid bone. They have concern about it. That means direct pressure would have had been applied in order to fracture this thing, and that means coming in with a sea clamp or throttling this sort of thing in order to choke the life out of this job.

So, guys, not with what Joe Scott said all correct time might have from what we've been able to glean from a word about the autopsy report. What is Stephan Strange's response he says, no one respected my boundaries, and then he blames the whole thing because Jim Sooto didn't give him any privacy. You have got to hear this.

So, guys, not with what Joe Scott said all correct time might have from what we've been able to glean from a word about the autopsy report. What is Stephan Strange's response he says, no one respected my boundaries, and then he blames the whole thing because Jim Sooto didn't give him any privacy. You have got to hear this.

He didn't have any privacy, you know, just for ourselves. And she was suggs, Well, maybe you should go to see United States. Taking it was like a twin bed and I know six plus seaton. You know, why would I want to do that because of sleeping, our begging us. You should have broken up for a long time ago into the business.

He didn't have any privacy, you know, just for ourselves. And she was suggs, Well, maybe you should go to see United States. Taking it was like a twin bed and I know six plus seaton. You know, why would I want to do that because of sleeping, our begging us. You should have broken up for a long time ago into the business.

Hell yeah, I think they do just a mess with the honest with This place is silthy and untanitary and one little fans factory will blank it s out of my crazyes all the time.

Hell yeah, I think they do just a mess with the honest with This place is silthy and untanitary and one little fans factory will blank it s out of my crazyes all the time.

Well, it's not the risk.

Well, it's not the risk.

We're all very happy to you reunited anything lunch since we've all.

We're all very happy to you reunited anything lunch since we've all.

Seen each other.

Seen each other.

And there's no reason that I want to have taken all of that up for literally no reason hurt or.

And there's no reason that I want to have taken all of that up for literally no reason hurt or.

And this, no there is.

And this, no there is.

But there's jealousy on the other side too. I mean, he told you, I hope you don't need You've.

But there's jealousy on the other side too. I mean, he told you, I hope you don't need You've.

Heard my daughter that tells me that she was thinking about.

Heard my daughter that tells me that she was thinking about.

That for a while.

That for a while.

Guys, we are getting a treasure trove of evidence. Just release. These are secretly recorded jailhouse calls. Now, I don't know how secret they are, because typically in jailhouse calls, you hear on the line the caller and the receiver of the call can hear a recording stating that this is a call from a CI correctional institute. Everybody knows they're recorded. I guess they think the prosecutors just won't make the effort to listen to them. Well, guess what they did. Joining me now, special guest, Barry Hutchinson, twenty six year years in LA now owner of Barry and Associates Investigative Services. Barry, thank you for being with us. Barry. Here, we hear it goes on and on and on. We hear Stefan Stearns and mother Deborah Stearns stating Jen Soto had been thinking about this for a long time. They're basically trying to blame Jen Soto for her daughter's murder. Did you hear that?

Guys, we are getting a treasure trove of evidence. Just release. These are secretly recorded jailhouse calls. Now, I don't know how secret they are, because typically in jailhouse calls, you hear on the line the caller and the receiver of the call can hear a recording stating that this is a call from a CI correctional institute. Everybody knows they're recorded. I guess they think the prosecutors just won't make the effort to listen to them. Well, guess what they did. Joining me now, special guest, Barry Hutchinson, twenty six year years in LA now owner of Barry and Associates Investigative Services. Barry, thank you for being with us. Barry. Here, we hear it goes on and on and on. We hear Stefan Stearns and mother Deborah Stearns stating Jen Soto had been thinking about this for a long time. They're basically trying to blame Jen Soto for her daughter's murder. Did you hear that?

I think that this whole family is so screwed up? I guarantee you.

I think that this whole family is so screwed up? I guarantee you.

Barry Hutchinson, I don't care. I don't care who has a history of what we're at the innoceus guilt phase. This is going to a trial. I don't care who wet their bed when they were three years old, don't care. I care who killed this little girl, who ra her repeatedly and murdered her. Now we hear Stephan Stearn's claiming that jen Soto, the mother, had been quote thinking about this for a long time. We see where he's going with this.

Barry Hutchinson, I don't care. I don't care who has a history of what we're at the innoceus guilt phase. This is going to a trial. I don't care who wet their bed when they were three years old, don't care. I care who killed this little girl, who ra her repeatedly and murdered her. Now we hear Stephan Stearn's claiming that jen Soto, the mother, had been quote thinking about this for a long time. We see where he's going with this.

Oh yeah, he's going to try to point the accusatory finger toward her, you know, to a certain degrade, to take some of the heat off him. But you know what, when you've got a dead body on video leaning to the left and of vehicle that's been seen, and then you have a cadaver or dog get a hit on trace chemical for a decomposition, I think there's a couple of males in your coffin their palth.

Oh yeah, he's going to try to point the accusatory finger toward her, you know, to a certain degrade, to take some of the heat off him. But you know what, when you've got a dead body on video leaning to the left and of vehicle that's been seen, and then you have a cadaver or dog get a hit on trace chemical for a decomposition, I think there's a couple of males in your coffin their palth.

Well, you know, debate. You actually have a little bit of a leg to stand on in that there's a way for this guy to escape the death penalty. I'll tell you what I think it is. The jury will be angry at Jenston, and they may partially blame her for ignoring the fact right under her and no just rubbing her nose in it that Stephan Stearns, her live in boyfriend Mooch, does he even have a job, was sleeping with her daughter every night. The little girl says she wanted to go live in the woods. Wonder why so the jury, right or wrong, may partially blame Jinsoto for the situation and reason, well, she's not getting convicted, I sure as hgl and not sending him to the death penalty.

Well, you know, debate. You actually have a little bit of a leg to stand on in that there's a way for this guy to escape the death penalty. I'll tell you what I think it is. The jury will be angry at Jenston, and they may partially blame her for ignoring the fact right under her and no just rubbing her nose in it that Stephan Stearns, her live in boyfriend Mooch, does he even have a job, was sleeping with her daughter every night. The little girl says she wanted to go live in the woods. Wonder why so the jury, right or wrong, may partially blame Jinsoto for the situation and reason, well, she's not getting convicted, I sure as hgl and not sending him to the death penalty.

I agree with you one hundred percent on that they're not even assuming that they think mom had a hand in it by looking the other way with you know, blissful ignorance and blind fate, whatever.

I agree with you one hundred percent on that they're not even assuming that they think mom had a hand in it by looking the other way with you know, blissful ignorance and blind fate, whatever.

You want to call it. He is the one on trial, not her.

You want to call it. He is the one on trial, not her.

His only other hope to be spirit of death is the new law in Florida where they allow for an eight to four verdict in the penalty phase to execute if they come back let's say eight to four or nine to three or some other non unanimous split that could spare him death.

His only other hope to be spirit of death is the new law in Florida where they allow for an eight to four verdict in the penalty phase to execute if they come back let's say eight to four or nine to three or some other non unanimous split that could spare him death.

Guys, there's more of Stefan Stearn's whining, and I haven't even gotten him whining about his mattress and the food. So far, he's been blaming gen Soto for Maddie's death, and we're all angry. The gen Soto allowed a situation where her daughter slept night after night after night with her mooch living boyfriend, but to blame her for the murder itself is a whole another thing, And that sounds like what he and his mommy and daddy are cooking up. Remember the mommy and the daddy not charged with anything. Oh and I haven't even got to them claiming that he has PTSD because he found the body. I mean, really, but that said, listen to this.

Guys, there's more of Stefan Stearn's whining, and I haven't even gotten him whining about his mattress and the food. So far, he's been blaming gen Soto for Maddie's death, and we're all angry. The gen Soto allowed a situation where her daughter slept night after night after night with her mooch living boyfriend, but to blame her for the murder itself is a whole another thing, And that sounds like what he and his mommy and daddy are cooking up. Remember the mommy and the daddy not charged with anything. Oh and I haven't even got to them claiming that he has PTSD because he found the body. I mean, really, but that said, listen to this.

I wish I had done the correct thing to begin with. You know, I wish on downstairs and shaking her away from a cold nine one all day. Had I wish she had too, maybe she could have been saved. But you know, I'm sure true beyond that.

I wish I had done the correct thing to begin with. You know, I wish on downstairs and shaking her away from a cold nine one all day. Had I wish she had too, maybe she could have been saved. But you know, I'm sure true beyond that.

Dave Mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter who has poured through every one of these recordings word by word, Dave Mac, can you believe what you're hearing? I wish I had found her, end quote, shaken her away and call nine to one one? Yeah, why didn't you? They are feeding into it. The mommy and the daddy are basically feeding your baby boy on a silver spoon, a whole plateful of bs.

Dave Mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter who has poured through every one of these recordings word by word, Dave Mac, can you believe what you're hearing? I wish I had found her, end quote, shaken her away and call nine to one one? Yeah, why didn't you? They are feeding into it. The mommy and the daddy are basically feeding your baby boy on a silver spoon, a whole plateful of bs.

Yep, And I think that we're seeing that played out where he, for some reason, is trying to snow job his parents just and believe that they're believing him. And that's when when his mother says, you know, are they are they treating you for PTSD after what you've found? I mean, they're living in a real fantasy world, Nancy. This is only something that a child, and I mean a child talks to their parents like this. But we're dealing with somebody who supposedly an adult grown up man and two adult grown up parents, and they're acting like with the six year old who got caught cheating in first grade on his spelling jets.

Yep, And I think that we're seeing that played out where he, for some reason, is trying to snow job his parents just and believe that they're believing him. And that's when when his mother says, you know, are they are they treating you for PTSD after what you've found? I mean, they're living in a real fantasy world, Nancy. This is only something that a child, and I mean a child talks to their parents like this. But we're dealing with somebody who supposedly an adult grown up man and two adult grown up parents, and they're acting like with the six year old who got caught cheating in first grade on his spelling jets.

Man, you put it better than I could have, Dave Mack, So, Dave, listen to this. His new story is evolving, and Debay, prick your ears up on this, because this is where the defense is going. There's a whole new story about how Maddie died in China, you know, on the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy catches the wizard working the machines and he says, don't look at the man behind the curtain. I guess they want the jury not to remember all the rape videos of this little girl on stuff on Stearn's phone and that hyoid bone being broken or dislodged, like Joe Scott Morgan was just describing. Yeah, don't look at that, look at this. Listen to the new theory emerged.

Man, you put it better than I could have, Dave Mack, So, Dave, listen to this. His new story is evolving, and Debay, prick your ears up on this, because this is where the defense is going. There's a whole new story about how Maddie died in China, you know, on the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy catches the wizard working the machines and he says, don't look at the man behind the curtain. I guess they want the jury not to remember all the rape videos of this little girl on stuff on Stearn's phone and that hyoid bone being broken or dislodged, like Joe Scott Morgan was just describing. Yeah, don't look at that, look at this. Listen to the new theory emerged.

He was in a different part of the house. Yeah, she wasn't with you.

He was in a different part of the house. Yeah, she wasn't with you.

Well, she had going to be with me earlier the night, but I left her alone for quite a while, so I was pretty she talked her around and you know, haunting right now, what can I.

Well, she had going to be with me earlier the night, but I left her alone for quite a while, so I was pretty she talked her around and you know, haunting right now, what can I.

Do crime stories with Nancy Grace?

Do crime stories with Nancy Grace?

Were you awake when she went when her came into the room with you?

Were you awake when she went when her came into the room with you?

Yeah?

Yeah?

And she was fine when she came into your room?

And she was fine when she came into your room?

What what not at night?

What what not at night?

Was that hitting eleven or show?

Was that hitting eleven or show?

I'm not sure? Okay, so she was fine.

I'm not sure? Okay, so she was fine.

So what happened between eleven.

So what happened between eleven.

And whenever you found it?

And whenever you found it?

Oh that's the really other.

Oh that's the really other.

Question, that is the main question. So Dave Matt is he true? Is he actually going to say she came into my bedroom because they just don't have boundaries, They didn't respect my privacy. And then he goes outside to breathe in the night air, right, and he comes back and she's dead, and instead of calling nine one one, and she's cold. By the way, Joe Scott Morgan's gonna have a field day with the fact that she was already cold to the touch. He finds her call to the touch and then decides instead of calling nine one one that he'll just dress her for school's trapper, body in the car, drive around, and then dump her body. Is that right, Dave.

Question, that is the main question. So Dave Matt is he true? Is he actually going to say she came into my bedroom because they just don't have boundaries, They didn't respect my privacy. And then he goes outside to breathe in the night air, right, and he comes back and she's dead, and instead of calling nine one one, and she's cold. By the way, Joe Scott Morgan's gonna have a field day with the fact that she was already cold to the touch. He finds her call to the touch and then decides instead of calling nine one one that he'll just dress her for school's trapper, body in the car, drive around, and then dump her body. Is that right, Dave.

Mac That is what he's shoveling.

Mac That is what he's shoveling.

But I found something fascinating in the way he's.

But I found something fascinating in the way he's.

Talking to his parents, because he tries to pull them back into things they remember from him as a child, like when he talked about how he had left her alone for a while, and he mentions walking around the house and he called it haunting around the house as I like to do. He's trying to relate this so it's something that they can understand and identify with and believe him because to anybody else, look his story, You're going this is total dyes. But his parents, he can milk these moments of past and president and blur them together so that they're like, hey, yeah, I want to believe my son. I want to believe he's telling the truth, and that's where he gives them those bits that make no sense to us, but that they can hold on to.

Talking to his parents, because he tries to pull them back into things they remember from him as a child, like when he talked about how he had left her alone for a while, and he mentions walking around the house and he called it haunting around the house as I like to do. He's trying to relate this so it's something that they can understand and identify with and believe him because to anybody else, look his story, You're going this is total dyes. But his parents, he can milk these moments of past and president and blur them together so that they're like, hey, yeah, I want to believe my son. I want to believe he's telling the truth, and that's where he gives them those bits that make no sense to us, but that they can hold on to.

Oh, the devil is in the detailed stern, please keep talking. Listen to this.

Oh, the devil is in the detailed stern, please keep talking. Listen to this.

Well, I discovered her in the state she was in after everything was having done. So I mean, I obviously I can't get into detail, but no, I was not aware that she had passed on. And you know, I'm looking down throughout the night, and I was not in the room the whole time.

Well, I discovered her in the state she was in after everything was having done. So I mean, I obviously I can't get into detail, but no, I was not aware that she had passed on. And you know, I'm looking down throughout the night, and I was not in the room the whole time.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

So he wasn't aware she was passed on, yet he found her a call to the touch with her lips blue. Now the dad realizes the story is not yelling listen, and it was just not like you.

So he wasn't aware she was passed on, yet he found her a call to the touch with her lips blue. Now the dad realizes the story is not yelling listen, and it was just not like you.

You know, you just suddenly feel someone's goes to pass away from them. You know, it's to discovery. And he wasn't leave in those same room with you. Well, I mean, she was in the room that I started him. But you know, I'm looking towns forout the night, and I tend to wander around the house, she fiddle around on my phone and step out trying to feel the nice cool night air and all that.

You know, you just suddenly feel someone's goes to pass away from them. You know, it's to discovery. And he wasn't leave in those same room with you. Well, I mean, she was in the room that I started him. But you know, I'm looking towns forout the night, and I tend to wander around the house, she fiddle around on my phone and step out trying to feel the nice cool night air and all that.

There we go with a nice cool night air again. Karen stark. Do you hear him? Later on he even suggests that someone had drugged Maddie, and he clearly indicates that would be her mother. How much more blame can he heap on other people? Claiming he was wandering around the house and while he was wandering, he came back in and found her bed.

There we go with a nice cool night air again. Karen stark. Do you hear him? Later on he even suggests that someone had drugged Maddie, and he clearly indicates that would be her mother. How much more blame can he heap on other people? Claiming he was wandering around the house and while he was wandering, he came back in and found her bed.

Let's be perfectly clear. What's going on here is a cover up and denial. How does he explain the fact that he took all those photos, the ones that were on his phone, and try to erase them to make sure nobody would find them. Why would he get rid of her possessions. He's just passing along the blame and his parents are going along with it, I hypothesized, because it's their son, so they're trying to make sense.

Let's be perfectly clear. What's going on here is a cover up and denial. How does he explain the fact that he took all those photos, the ones that were on his phone, and try to erase them to make sure nobody would find them. Why would he get rid of her possessions. He's just passing along the blame and his parents are going along with it, I hypothesized, because it's their son, so they're trying to make sense.

Out of it.

Out of it.

But all of this trying to shield the fact that this is a monster, a murderer, that he actually killed this girl. And he's saying, as an adult that somebody was forcing him to sleep with her, to be with her, encouraging it, and he had nothing to do with this mature man who's become an infant and totally innocent. We know that that is not true.

But all of this trying to shield the fact that this is a monster, a murderer, that he actually killed this girl. And he's saying, as an adult that somebody was forcing him to sleep with her, to be with her, encouraging it, and he had nothing to do with this mature man who's become an infant and totally innocent. We know that that is not true.

Well, I'm assuming that they are treating you for PTSB because you found the body, not to mention everything.

Well, I'm assuming that they are treating you for PTSB because you found the body, not to mention everything.

Else that went along with that, treating with.

Else that went along with that, treating with.

Her or anything except my flood pressure.

Her or anything except my flood pressure.

Well, they need to do the PTSD because you're not needing.

Well, they need to do the PTSD because you're not needing.

Well, you know, I keep telling myself that to maintain myself chasing questioning God, I have nothing.

Well, you know, I keep telling myself that to maintain myself chasing questioning God, I have nothing.

Now listen to this. Does anybody know the meaning of narcissist? Here we hear Stephan Stearns asking his parents to dump money into an account for a trust fund for him for him after they die.

Now listen to this. Does anybody know the meaning of narcissist? Here we hear Stephan Stearns asking his parents to dump money into an account for a trust fund for him for him after they die.

Shall prospect her. It's going to be difficult to come by. I might need some sort of resources to help me get back up my sheet immediately until I can work out being the coop situation.

Shall prospect her. It's going to be difficult to come by. I might need some sort of resources to help me get back up my sheet immediately until I can work out being the coop situation.

Yeah, I don't know what that would be.

Yeah, I don't know what that would be.

But because maybe we may be we may be gone by the time you get out.

But because maybe we may be we may be gone by the time you get out.

I don't know any way, we might be able to sit up sort of a trust truck or.

I don't know any way, we might be able to sit up sort of a trust truck or.

Something, a trust fund. Dave, Matt, what did I just you.

Something, a trust fund. Dave, Matt, what did I just you.

Know, I just heard more and more bs lies between Sterns trying to sell a bill of goods to his parents. But something that I'm caught with, Nancy is how a couple of times during the course of these thirty five phone calls, he actually sterns mentions hurting his defense by saying something or giving too many details. And if we're truly seeking the truth, and he's truly an innocent man who did nothing wrong, that type of truth is something you want everybody to hear. So you would be saying these details for all the world to hear, because you're an innocent guy. They got the wrong man. You know, anything would do, but he keeps covering up. He can't even tell the truth to his parents because he sold them a bill of goods that they're buying into Our baby boy would never do this. It's her fault. The evil girls in his life, the females in his life, did wrong, and he's the victim.

Know, I just heard more and more bs lies between Sterns trying to sell a bill of goods to his parents. But something that I'm caught with, Nancy is how a couple of times during the course of these thirty five phone calls, he actually sterns mentions hurting his defense by saying something or giving too many details. And if we're truly seeking the truth, and he's truly an innocent man who did nothing wrong, that type of truth is something you want everybody to hear. So you would be saying these details for all the world to hear, because you're an innocent guy. They got the wrong man. You know, anything would do, but he keeps covering up. He can't even tell the truth to his parents because he sold them a bill of goods that they're buying into Our baby boy would never do this. It's her fault. The evil girls in his life, the females in his life, did wrong, and he's the victim.

Yeah, I remember Karen start how he was talking about how Maddie who's thirteen, and her mother ogled him and admired him and made a big fuss about him. It's their fault, I mean narcissism. He wants his parents, who are retired, to set him up a trust fund of their money to support him when he gets out and after they die. That's what's his that's what's on his mind.

Yeah, I remember Karen start how he was talking about how Maddie who's thirteen, and her mother ogled him and admired him and made a big fuss about him. It's their fault, I mean narcissism. He wants his parents, who are retired, to set him up a trust fund of their money to support him when he gets out and after they die. That's what's his that's what's on his mind.

Well, of course, Nancy, there's no guilt there because he can't feel. But all he's worried about is what's going to happen in his future. Let them infantilize him and feel like they have to take care of him. It's all so typical. I can't think of a single sexual abuser, really, somebody who rapes children who doesn't wind up saying that the children wanted it, that it's perfectly normal, it's okay to do this, and he fixed the bill.

Well, of course, Nancy, there's no guilt there because he can't feel. But all he's worried about is what's going to happen in his future. Let them infantilize him and feel like they have to take care of him. It's all so typical. I can't think of a single sexual abuser, really, somebody who rapes children who doesn't wind up saying that the children wanted it, that it's perfectly normal, it's okay to do this, and he fixed the bill.

Well, you're right, Karen Start Barry Hutchinson twenty five years in LA now chief investigator Barry and Associates. Barry he actually said she started it talking about the little girl. Maddie started the little station.

Well, you're right, Karen Start Barry Hutchinson twenty five years in LA now chief investigator Barry and Associates. Barry he actually said she started it talking about the little girl. Maddie started the little station.

You know.

You know.

The whole thing just sounds so sick, But you know, that's a commonality in these abusers. You know, they, like you said earlier, they always try to circumvent guilt of their self by saying that somebody else is the one that initiated the contact, or they're the ones that initiated the abuse. It's just the way that these pedophiles think, you know, and it makes me sick, literally, I mean, child abuse cases like this. I mean, that was the one thing in all my career and law enforcement that used to bother me the most whenever you had, you know, cases like this where you know there's an innocent victim that's a child, and you feel like you're sitting in a chair with your hands and your arms tied. You can't do anything about it as an investigator looking at this pos sitting across from you at a table, knowing, damn good and well that you feel like just choking him to death right there at that point, but you can't. And yet they have the audacity to sit there and try to put this whole BS story on you to make you feel sorry for them, and we have to kind of play along with it and be a good actor to try to extricate information from them that's going to put them away for the rest of their life where they can't do it to another child.

The whole thing just sounds so sick, But you know, that's a commonality in these abusers. You know, they, like you said earlier, they always try to circumvent guilt of their self by saying that somebody else is the one that initiated the contact, or they're the ones that initiated the abuse. It's just the way that these pedophiles think, you know, and it makes me sick, literally, I mean, child abuse cases like this. I mean, that was the one thing in all my career and law enforcement that used to bother me the most whenever you had, you know, cases like this where you know there's an innocent victim that's a child, and you feel like you're sitting in a chair with your hands and your arms tied. You can't do anything about it as an investigator looking at this pos sitting across from you at a table, knowing, damn good and well that you feel like just choking him to death right there at that point, but you can't. And yet they have the audacity to sit there and try to put this whole BS story on you to make you feel sorry for them, and we have to kind of play along with it and be a good actor to try to extricate information from them that's going to put them away for the rest of their life where they can't do it to another child.

Scott Morgan, have you seen it all now, Stefan Stearns. Once I trust fund set up my mommy and daddy.

Scott Morgan, have you seen it all now, Stefan Stearns. Once I trust fund set up my mommy and daddy.

Yeah. One of the most glaring things is that when his dad actually said, well we might be gone, did you hear that? And then he just continues on with this through line of all about him. He didn't pause for a moment and say, well, my god, that's horrible. Please don't say that that you're going to be gone or the mom's going to be gone now. And that's not what it's about. It's about him, you know, moving forward, and he's going to need money when he gets out, to get back on his feet. And you know, that shows you the level of callousness. And he's doing this to his parents, how much more so, how much more so Nancy a thirteen year old little girl that he's been victimizing, allegedly lo these many years. He's that callous. He's that very callous. He's not genetically connected to her, Nancy. He just views her as something that is disposable. And as we found out, she was kind of tossed away like rubbish, wasn't she?

Yeah. One of the most glaring things is that when his dad actually said, well we might be gone, did you hear that? And then he just continues on with this through line of all about him. He didn't pause for a moment and say, well, my god, that's horrible. Please don't say that that you're going to be gone or the mom's going to be gone now. And that's not what it's about. It's about him, you know, moving forward, and he's going to need money when he gets out, to get back on his feet. And you know, that shows you the level of callousness. And he's doing this to his parents, how much more so, how much more so Nancy a thirteen year old little girl that he's been victimizing, allegedly lo these many years. He's that callous. He's that very callous. He's not genetically connected to her, Nancy. He just views her as something that is disposable. And as we found out, she was kind of tossed away like rubbish, wasn't she?

Manny Soto was not disposable. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,

Manny Soto was not disposable. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,