Margaret interview Black history comic author Ben Passmore about his new book Black Arms to Hold You Up.

 

 

Margaret interview Black history comic author Ben Passmore about his new book Black Arms to Hold You Up.
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As long as there’s been oppression, there’ve been people fighting it. This weekly podcast dives into history to drag up the wildest rebels, the most beautiful revolts, and all the people who long to be—and fight to be—free. It explores complex stories of resistance that offer lessons and inspiration for us today, focusing on the ensemble casts that make up each act of history. That is to say, this podcast focuses on Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

As long as there’s been oppression, there’ve been people fighting it. This weekly podcast dives into history to drag up the wildest rebels, the most beautiful revolts, and all the people who long to be—and fight to be—free. It explores complex stories of resistance that offer lessons and inspiration for us today, focusing on the ensemble casts that make up each act of history. That is to say, this podcast focuses on Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff

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As long as there&rsquo;s been oppression, there&rsquo;ve been people fighting it. This weekly podcast dives into history to drag up the wildest rebels, the most beautiful revolts, and all the people who long to be&mdash;and fight to be&mdash;free. It explores complex stories of resistance that offer lessons and inspiration for us today, focusing on the ensemble casts that make up each act of history. That is to say, this podcast focuses on Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

Part One: Ben Passmore on Black History

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/ef9b6546-ff6a-4487-a8b7-b3e5004114b8/transcript

Margaret continues her talk with Caitlin Durante about Truus and Freddie Oversteegan and Hannie Schaft and their rebellion that left Nazi bodies around the Netherlands

Sources:

Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy

https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/

https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/

https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/

https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/


https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629

https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak

https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/

https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen

https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland

https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/

https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive

https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758

https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm

https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505

https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

Margaret continues her talk with Caitlin Durante about Truus and Freddie Oversteegan and Hannie Schaft and their rebellion that left Nazi bodies around the Netherlands
Sources:
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

Part Four: The Dutch Resistance: The Teens Who Seduced and Killed Nazis

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/f6e42419-dd07-4fab-980d-b4420003ab32/transcript

Margaret talks with Caitlin Durante about Truus and Freddie Oversteegan and Hannie Schaft and their rebellion that left Nazi bodies around the Netherlands

Sources:

Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy

https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/

https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/

https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/

https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/


https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629

https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak

https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/

https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen

https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland

https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/

https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive

https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758

https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm

https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505

https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

Margaret talks with Caitlin Durante about Truus and Freddie Oversteegan and Hannie Schaft and their rebellion that left Nazi bodies around the Netherlands
Sources:
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

Part Three: The Dutch Resistance: The Teens Who Seduced and Killed Nazis

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/ada1a8ef-c348-4bfc-88d0-b44000123af2/transcript

Margaret continues her coversation with Caitlin Durante about the rise of the Dutch Left and the early Jewish resistance to Nazis.

Sources:

Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady
https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy

https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/

https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/

https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/

https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/


https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629

https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak

https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/

https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen

https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland

https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/

https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive

https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758

https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm

https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505

https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/

https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

Margaret continues her coversation with Caitlin Durante about the rise of the Dutch Left and the early Jewish resistance to Nazis.
Sources:
Three Ordinary Girls, Tim Brady https://firestorm.coop/products/24908-three-ordinary-girls.html?referral=killjoy
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/truus-menger-oversteegen-1923-2016-een-strijdster-die-doorging/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/222/mandatory-registration-for-forced-labour/
https://dirkdeklein.net/2025/03/29/the-arbeidsinzet-forced-labour/
https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/05/24/ernst-cahn-the-koco-affair/
https://www.flashscore.com/news/80-years-of-freedom-the-amsterdam-boxing-school-which-formed-the-first-jewish-resistance/ncIglSYp/
 https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=229629
https://libcom.org/article/history-dutch-fascism-and-militant-anti-fascist-response-job-polak
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/01/21/the-dutch-jews-who-fought-back/
https://socialisme-nu.translate.goog/75-jaar-februaristaking-wat-herdenken-we/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www-dedokwerker-nl.translate.goog/boksschool_olympia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://sportgeschiedenis-nl.translate.goog/overige-sport/vechtsporten/het-joodse-verzet-van-1941-bestond-grotendeels-uit-amsterdamse-boksers-en-worstelaars/?_x_tr_sl=auto&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=en&amp;_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.canonvannederland.nl/nl/page/206267/de-geuzen
https://elib.be/m/articles/view/FROM-THE-HISTORY-OF-THE-RESISTANCE-MOVEMENT-IN-THE-NETHERLANDS-1940-1945
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/liberation-of-holland
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/armies-cant-march-in-clogs/
https://www.verzetsmuseum.org/nl/kennisbank/nederlandse-unie
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/07/nx-s1-5249956/nazi-collaborators-netherlands-archive
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-collaboration-nazis-holocaust-remembrance-archives-d7d3b0c6e2e99146c484171e03046758
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/introengels.htm
https://tomgoyens.substack.com/p/how-a-dutch-anarchist-defied-the
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/from-nazi-criminal-to-postwar-spy-german-intelligence-hired-klaus-barbie-as-agent-a-740393.html
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13507486.2019.1699505
https://royaldutchshellplc.com/2025/10/14/shells-dark-fuel-the-nazi-past-the-oil-giant-couldnt-bury/
https://www.hannahbyron.com/blog/the-first-resistance-the-geuzen

Part Two: The Dutch Resistance: The Ice Cream Parlor and Jewish Boxers

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/b87ab6de-6f84-441a-b177-b43b0008369e/transcript

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