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I got how you doing, everybody? It is to Get Loud Podcasts Presentybody Seek Meek the official ticket partner of the Washington Commanders. That's smoot. I'm Jakes. What's up man?

I got how you doing, everybody? It is to Get Loud Podcasts Presentybody Seek Meek the official ticket partner of the Washington Commanders. That's smoot. I'm Jakes. What's up man?

I'm just ready to get loud?

I'm just ready to get loud?

Are you ready to get loud?

Are you ready to get loud?

And quiet?

And quiet?

Mouths don't get feded. That's what I was always told. Day baby wants some food. What they do he cries?

Mouths don't get feded. That's what I was always told. Day baby wants some food. What they do he cries?

I cried, mouth doesn't get feed in there. So normally we're here on a Monday, yep, a little.

I cried, mouth doesn't get feed in there. So normally we're here on a Monday, yep, a little.

Bit later in the week. What do you do next weekend?

Bit later in the week. What do you do next weekend?

Well, you know what, it's Memorial Day week.

Well, you know what, it's Memorial Day week.

On weekend.

On weekend.

You know, I like to really show my love to the military, because you know, that's where all my charity and to the military. Every time I see anybody that served, I always tell them thank you absolutely, and I tell him thank you not for just going out there and putting your life on the labe, but thank you for giving me the ability to hang out at bars and have a normal life. Thank you, all right forgiving me the ability to go to the waterfront and drink everything they got over there.

You know, I like to really show my love to the military, because you know, that's where all my charity and to the military. Every time I see anybody that served, I always tell them thank you absolutely, and I tell him thank you not for just going out there and putting your life on the labe, but thank you for giving me the ability to hang out at bars and have a normal life. Thank you, all right forgiving me the ability to go to the waterfront and drink everything they got over there.

Thank you for giving me the ability to.

Thank you for giving me the ability to.

Go to my daughter's basketball game. These are the small things. I think we need to just come down sometime and really thank people.

Go to my daughter's basketball game. These are the small things. I think we need to just come down sometime and really thank people.

You are of real heroes, no doubt about that.

You are of real heroes, no doubt about that.

I'm going to Annapolis this weekend with the girls, somebody right there next to the Naval Academy, So it'll be cool to be around people that serve our country on a weekend where they deserve to be honored, which is honestly every weekend.

I'm going to Annapolis this weekend with the girls, somebody right there next to the Naval Academy, So it'll be cool to be around people that serve our country on a weekend where they deserve to be honored, which is honestly every weekend.

Yeah, I got you.

Yeah, I got you.

Well when you talk about respect, Yeah, a few players in the NFL more than me than you.

Well when you talk about respect, Yeah, a few players in the NFL more than me than you.

Thank I appreciate it. You and time, just me and Tom you and all right, I got you.

Thank I appreciate it. You and time, just me and Tom you and all right, I got you.

There was a rookie symposium out in LA a few days ago and it was Tom and it was Jay Z and they were giving rookies advice, particularly Tom, who was saying, listen, what you have to do is And I thought this was pretty prescient where he said I treated every day and I believe him, Yeah, like every practice, Like it was huge and I did this for twenty years, so whenever I got to the super Bowl, it was just another day.

There was a rookie symposium out in LA a few days ago and it was Tom and it was Jay Z and they were giving rookies advice, particularly Tom, who was saying, listen, what you have to do is And I thought this was pretty prescient where he said I treated every day and I believe him, Yeah, like every practice, Like it was huge and I did this for twenty years, so whenever I got to the super Bowl, it was just another day.

Just another game. Yeah.

Just another game. Yeah.

And I understand him like that because one thing Coach Gibbs said he loved about me.

And I understand him like that because one thing Coach Gibbs said he loved about me.

He was, I just love the practice, man, and.

He was, I just love the practice, man, and.

Most every guy done.

Most every guy done.

I say, most players dread it practice because they feel like the reward ain't there. And I'm just I'm just happy to be here. Not only am I happy to be here? I asked theal Green when I first got here as a rookie, Man, how do you maintain this level of play? He said, practice gotta be as hard as the game. So therefore you get in the game, the game becomes a routine, It becomes easy, It becomes an afterthought. The only thing differ between practice in the game, the cameras and a thou hundred thousand people. Other than that, the football and the intensity is the same. And he like he told me, I said, man, you kept this job twenty years. It's impossible. How do you do that? He was like, what's my backup name? Not like I don't really know your backup man, Like, because I never let him play, I.

I say, most players dread it practice because they feel like the reward ain't there. And I'm just I'm just happy to be here. Not only am I happy to be here? I asked theal Green when I first got here as a rookie, Man, how do you maintain this level of play? He said, practice gotta be as hard as the game. So therefore you get in the game, the game becomes a routine, It becomes easy, It becomes an afterthought. The only thing differ between practice in the game, the cameras and a thou hundred thousand people. Other than that, the football and the intensity is the same. And he like he told me, I said, man, you kept this job twenty years. It's impossible. How do you do that? He was like, what's my backup name? Not like I don't really know your backup man, Like, because I never let him play, I.

Don't even have practice.

Don't even have practice.

So they go, they go to thing of it, like you got to grab that there were Ton was telling me grab every day and hold it like it's your last because you don't know when it's going to be there and if they are stand for not for Lon.

So they go, they go to thing of it, like you got to grab that there were Ton was telling me grab every day and hold it like it's your last because you don't know when it's going to be there and if they are stand for not for Lon.

That's right. So one thing Tom mentioned, and this is an interesting question I think because social media now is more prevalent than ever. Yeah, so I know back when you played, it wasn't as it was a deal, right it was. So he was saying, look, it's okay to brand yourself. That's part of the game. Now. You want to make that money, but don't focus too much on that because if you do, you get away from the.

That's right. So one thing Tom mentioned, and this is an interesting question I think because social media now is more prevalent than ever. Yeah, so I know back when you played, it wasn't as it was a deal, right it was. So he was saying, look, it's okay to brand yourself. That's part of the game. Now. You want to make that money, but don't focus too much on that because if you do, you get away from the.

Team and you get away from what matters, what got you here. All right, Everybody so caught up in this brand. Even when I talked to high.

Team and you get away from what matters, what got you here. All right, Everybody so caught up in this brand. Even when I talked to high.

School, they're like, yeah, I gotta get this this brand and form like.

School, they're like, yeah, I gotta get this this brand and form like.

Man, stop it right, Like, you can't be a brand unless you go out and perform right, perform become before the brand. Let let other people build your brand. I always tell people, if you building your brand, you probably broke business. Yeah, it's just simple as that. Like, you got brand builders, let them do that. You need to go work that's what he's telling them. And we've seen this before. Think about it. Quarterbacks like Justin Herbert, Yes, I ain't got not one commercial nothing. He wanted to build his resume before he did it. Then you got guys like Baker Mayfield before he did anything in his league, he got nine commercials, right, all right? Well guess what fail from glory? Now he bounced back no commercial? You see where he like, Yeah, I'm just focused on what I got to do to stay in this league.

Man, stop it right, Like, you can't be a brand unless you go out and perform right, perform become before the brand. Let let other people build your brand. I always tell people, if you building your brand, you probably broke business. Yeah, it's just simple as that. Like, you got brand builders, let them do that. You need to go work that's what he's telling them. And we've seen this before. Think about it. Quarterbacks like Justin Herbert, Yes, I ain't got not one commercial nothing. He wanted to build his resume before he did it. Then you got guys like Baker Mayfield before he did anything in his league, he got nine commercials, right, all right? Well guess what fail from glory? Now he bounced back no commercial? You see where he like, Yeah, I'm just focused on what I got to do to stay in this league.

You see it all the time.

You see it all the time.

Even Pat Mahons didn't really start doing a lot of commercial till after this year.

Even Pat Mahons didn't really start doing a lot of commercial till after this year.

That's true. That's true.

That's true. That's true.

So the real.

So the real.

Greats they kind of stay away and they let us build their brand. They let the fans build their brand. Like Terry mclawin fans build his brand. You ain't never heard out of Terry. You know what I need to go get this for the the Terry Mclaw and conld over there like you don't hear any of that. So I always could tell when guys are more about the game than they are byself.

Greats they kind of stay away and they let us build their brand. They let the fans build their brand. Like Terry mclawin fans build his brand. You ain't never heard out of Terry. You know what I need to go get this for the the Terry Mclaw and conld over there like you don't hear any of that. So I always could tell when guys are more about the game than they are byself.

So how hard would it have been for you?

So how hard would it have been for you?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean to make it in this social media air like today, because people love being around you. Yeah, they love reaching out to you, and that would have happened in mass.

I mean to make it in this social media air like today, because people love being around you. Yeah, they love reaching out to you, and that would have happened in mass.

I hate to tell you this.

I hate to tell you this.

I invented he LUN's must app that he bought x formerly known as Twitter.

I invented he LUN's must app that he bought x formerly known as Twitter.

You invented it. I invented it in college. Okay, this is what happened. I started smooth smack dot com.

You invented it. I invented it in college. Okay, this is what happened. I started smooth smack dot com.

Can I just say this real quick?

Can I just say this real quick?

Yeah, I see it, Yes, I see you got a roll high.

Yeah, I see it, Yes, I see you got a roll high.

So Anna is our producer. We got a micro from the front of her. Eventually have Anna cam so you can see a reaction. Roll out.

So Anna is our producer. We got a micro from the front of her. Eventually have Anna cam so you can see a reaction. Roll out.

What you guys say about that? Am Hi everyone?

What you guys say about that? Am Hi everyone?

Not much? This is why I'm the producer. I don't have much to say.

Not much? This is why I'm the producer. I don't have much to say.

No, I'm asking do you think I invented the first platform for Twitter or not?

No, I'm asking do you think I invented the first platform for Twitter or not?

And all right, here we go. Let me tell your story.

And all right, here we go. Let me tell your story.

When I was in school my junior year, me and one of my classmates, he was like, man, you love talking trash to people. Let's use this thing call.

When I was in school my junior year, me and one of my classmates, he was like, man, you love talking trash to people. Let's use this thing call.

The Internet the information.

The Internet the information.

Yeah, and this was in two thousand, right, He's like, yeah, man, let's do this. He like, you talk trash to everybody.

Yeah, and this was in two thousand, right, He's like, yeah, man, let's do this. He like, you talk trash to everybody.

How about we we come up with this platform.

How about we we come up with this platform.

So I came up with the platform of smooppack dot com where I could go back and forth with whoever I was gonna play that week, and they would talk trash to me, and I would talk trash to them.

So I came up with the platform of smooppack dot com where I could go back and forth with whoever I was gonna play that week, and they would talk trash to me, and I would talk trash to them.

Really like smoop smack dot com went on for like three four years. Is it not this bone skeleton of what X is today?

Really like smoop smack dot com went on for like three four years. Is it not this bone skeleton of what X is today?

It is?

It is?

It is and all I had to do. See if I would have went to Vanderbilt instead of Missippi State, I would have quit football. You would have needed for I wouldn't need it football.

It is and all I had to do. See if I would have went to Vanderbilt instead of Missippi State, I would have quit football. You would have needed for I wouldn't need it football.

And I don't know if I would have named it Twitter, but I had.

And I don't know if I would have named it Twitter, but I had.

The bones for it before everybody else.

The bones for it before everybody else.

Take that e line. Take that take that you really did I did.

Take that e line. Take that take that you really did I did.

I did that. What I'm telling you just about spinning it and making a little naked some tweetets and then all of a sudden you have a social media.

I did that. What I'm telling you just about spinning it and making a little naked some tweetets and then all of a sudden you have a social media.

And just what you know, how many times I'm like sleep at night and I wake up in the cold sweat.

And just what you know, how many times I'm like sleep at night and I wake up in the cold sweat.

I supposed to be on a Twitter like it hunts me.

I supposed to be on a Twitter like it hunts me.

It hunts me that I did not, because I called myself a nerve that I did not take the time to really make.

It hunts me that I did not, because I called myself a nerve that I did not take the time to really make.

That blossom the way it wanted to. Be seen.

That blossom the way it wanted to. Be seen.

The first thing I did. I shouldn't have named it after myself. I should have named it after the entity. We're gonna talk about rebrands later, but I should have named it after entity like motor Mouth or something like that.

The first thing I did. I shouldn't have named it after myself. I should have named it after the entity. We're gonna talk about rebrands later, but I should have named it after entity like motor Mouth or something like that.

You know what I'm saying. Something that says everybody that likes to talk. You know what I'm saying. So I should have did that.

You know what I'm saying. Something that says everybody that likes to talk. You know what I'm saying. So I should have did that.

Man, that's all right. You still did a lot of other great things. So maybe you missed out this one area, but you hit the But.

Man, that's all right. You still did a lot of other great things. So maybe you missed out this one area, but you hit the But.

I wun't got it bothered me anyway, because I'm want of them people, even on Twitter. Now, I don't worry about the bad Yeah, I block it. Say one bad thing to me, like I don't need you. He's other fans out there. I don't want your negativity in my bubble. Like I could control my bubble now. I can only wonder how would it feel because social media at the end of my career was starting to pick up. I never paid no attention though, but being burnt as a ConA on like Monday night football and can't win and waking up Tuesday morning until like, come on, you probably got two hundred thousand followers at least you didn't push that at bed Now one hundred thousand that came out, and there's a dB.

I wun't got it bothered me anyway, because I'm want of them people, even on Twitter. Now, I don't worry about the bad Yeah, I block it. Say one bad thing to me, like I don't need you. He's other fans out there. I don't want your negativity in my bubble. Like I could control my bubble now. I can only wonder how would it feel because social media at the end of my career was starting to pick up. I never paid no attention though, but being burnt as a ConA on like Monday night football and can't win and waking up Tuesday morning until like, come on, you probably got two hundred thousand followers at least you didn't push that at bed Now one hundred thousand that came out, and there's a dB.

One day you're a hero, the next day you a zero.

One day you're a hero, the next day you a zero.

And that's just how it goes. And I think I would just do a good job of just flushing it out.

And that's just how it goes. And I think I would just do a good job of just flushing it out.

I would.

I would.

I would because I ain't.

I would because I ain't.

I ain't listen to sports talk radio when I played because I felt like it's never gonna be as good as I think.

I ain't listen to sports talk radio when I played because I felt like it's never gonna be as good as I think.

And you're rarely gonna hear anything that you like.

And you're rarely gonna hear anything that you like.

You know, like they're gonna be taking shots at you, saying talking about your shortcomings. And I'm like, man, you know what, I'm find that I could do my shortcomings in front of y'all. The question is do you have the courage to do that, because most people don't.

You know, like they're gonna be taking shots at you, saying talking about your shortcomings. And I'm like, man, you know what, I'm find that I could do my shortcomings in front of y'all. The question is do you have the courage to do that, because most people don't.

It's like an online review because if something great happened, you're like great, done, But if something bad happened, you're like, that's it.

It's like an online review because if something great happened, you're like great, done, But if something bad happened, you're like, that's it.

You know, you can't wait to go on and say something negative.

You know, you can't wait to go on and say something negative.

They can't wait, and they love it because they wait for you to give them negativity back. And I do not transfer bad energy. Now I get good energy back, but I don't transfer bad energy.

They can't wait, and they love it because they wait for you to give them negativity back. And I do not transfer bad energy. Now I get good energy back, but I don't transfer bad energy.

There was a lot of good energy in the NFL draft for this franchise, and actually for most of the franchises in the nfcast. We'll talk about that a little bit. Let's go through each team. We've already recapped the Commander's draft, and out inside of we are we're gonna talk to an expert about Mikey Samraus still coming out here on the show. But let's talk with the Giants and just your general thoughts to get Elik neighbors with their first picking the draft, Tyler Nubn excite. So that a pretty nice draft. I feel like they field holes.

There was a lot of good energy in the NFL draft for this franchise, and actually for most of the franchises in the nfcast. We'll talk about that a little bit. Let's go through each team. We've already recapped the Commander's draft, and out inside of we are we're gonna talk to an expert about Mikey Samraus still coming out here on the show. But let's talk with the Giants and just your general thoughts to get Elik neighbors with their first picking the draft, Tyler Nubn excite. So that a pretty nice draft. I feel like they field holes.

And I always say the team that goes into the draft drafting for need is the team that's going to lose. Okay, you look at the successful teams, the Green Bay, the forty nine ers of the world.

And I always say the team that goes into the draft drafting for need is the team that's going to lose. Okay, you look at the successful teams, the Green Bay, the forty nine ers of the world.

They don't draft for need.

They don't draft for need.

They drift best play available on our board, regardless of position. I looked at the Giants, and everything I seen them do was plug and play.

They drift best play available on our board, regardless of position. I looked at the Giants, and everything I seen them do was plug and play.

That is true.

That is true.

Everything I seen them do is all right, we need this guy, let's go get them. We need this guy, and that ain't ever doing them well. That's just like with the Jets, they were like, we need to tackle, so they go draving makay Beck.

Everything I seen them do is all right, we need this guy, let's go get them. We need this guy, and that ain't ever doing them well. That's just like with the Jets, they were like, we need to tackle, so they go draving makay Beck.

Then it hasn't played right.

Then it hasn't played right.

So the thing about it is, if your team depends on rookies to win, you're not going to win. Too many variables, too many vailables. Probably not ready injury. This probably need five weeks to really get more like it's just too many variables. So when I look at the Giants, did they get better at the most important position quarterback? No, it's still Daniel Jones. Did Daniel Jones get a whipping in elite neighbors?

So the thing about it is, if your team depends on rookies to win, you're not going to win. Too many variables, too many vailables. Probably not ready injury. This probably need five weeks to really get more like it's just too many variables. So when I look at the Giants, did they get better at the most important position quarterback? No, it's still Daniel Jones. Did Daniel Jones get a whipping in elite neighbors?

Yes?

Yes?

Yes, but guess what do he has anybody? Because Sakon is gone, they have nobody to take the pressure off of rookie. So now if we're a team, all we need to do is stop in the league neighbors to stop y'all. That's gonna be easy before it stop saying one right, that's what it was. So until the stop sign goes to the quarterback, meaning we got to stop Daniel Jones, it's gonna be what it is.

Yes, but guess what do he has anybody? Because Sakon is gone, they have nobody to take the pressure off of rookie. So now if we're a team, all we need to do is stop in the league neighbors to stop y'all. That's gonna be easy before it stop saying one right, that's what it was. So until the stop sign goes to the quarterback, meaning we got to stop Daniel Jones, it's gonna be what it is.

But did I think they got better?

But did I think they got better?

Oh?

Oh?

Yeah, I think they got better. The thing is, how many of these rookies can they depend on the win during the season.

Yeah, I think they got better. The thing is, how many of these rookies can they depend on the win during the season.

That's true, and I read this stat earlier, is that the Giants have not had a thousand yard receiver. They haven't had an eight hundred yard receiver since like OBJ in like twenty eighteen or something.

That's true, and I read this stat earlier, is that the Giants have not had a thousand yard receiver. They haven't had an eight hundred yard receiver since like OBJ in like twenty eighteen or something.

Think about the I thought Jalen Hyatt.

Think about the I thought Jalen Hyatt.

See, they go a rookie. They needed a position. Last year, they needed wide receiver. They took Jaalen Hyatt up and down season. He's a rookie. Look for him to be better this year. He could scratch the field. He can make some things happy. And maybe Daran Waller considered playing in the NFL again. I don't know, because I feel like he retired two years ago and didn't tell anybody anything.

See, they go a rookie. They needed a position. Last year, they needed wide receiver. They took Jaalen Hyatt up and down season. He's a rookie. Look for him to be better this year. He could scratch the field. He can make some things happy. And maybe Daran Waller considered playing in the NFL again. I don't know, because I feel like he retired two years ago and didn't tell anybody anything.

The Giants kind of needed to help, Like I like the draft class, but you make a very interesting point. They definitely did the we lost this guy. Let's draft a guy. We lost this guy. Let's draft a guy.

The Giants kind of needed to help, Like I like the draft class, but you make a very interesting point. They definitely did the we lost this guy. Let's draft a guy. We lost this guy. Let's draft a guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, And I just don't that day how you do it unless you plug and playing with veterans.

Yeah, And I just don't that day how you do it unless you plug and playing with veterans.

What is this ceiling for Daniel j even with great players around them.

What is this ceiling for Daniel j even with great players around them.

I told you about football name recognition.

I told you about football name recognition.

It's something about a name like John Lway and Joe Montown and Peyton Manning and Eli Manning, Daniel Jones.

It's something about a name like John Lway and Joe Montown and Peyton Manning and Eli Manning, Daniel Jones.

Comes out, Hey, Fred will have that? Why that transmission fixed for you by the weekend?

Comes out, Hey, Fred will have that? Why that transmission fixed for you by the weekend?

Yeah, yeah, that's how appreciate it, mister Daniel Jones. I know you the personally at the high school that my kid go to. Like every person in the world knows a Daniel Jones. Like it's I just I think special people is special names. Imagine Beyonce name being Lillian oh Gertruce.

Yeah, yeah, that's how appreciate it, mister Daniel Jones. I know you the personally at the high school that my kid go to. Like every person in the world knows a Daniel Jones. Like it's I just I think special people is special names. Imagine Beyonce name being Lillian oh Gertruce.

Instead you say Queen Bee And you know I already know.

Instead you say Queen Bee And you know I already know.

Like some people, you don't need to say what their first named share.

Like some people, you don't need to say what their first named share.

That's to say friends, nothing else to say, so name recognitions everything.

That's to say friends, nothing else to say, so name recognitions everything.

Damn you, Jones. You're living up to your name regularly.

Damn you, Jones. You're living up to your name regularly.

How not the Eagles I have to admit I hate giving credit. I don't want to give credit. So their draft was great.

How not the Eagles I have to admit I hate giving credit. I don't want to give credit. So their draft was great.

I'm so tired of Roseman. Listen knows what he's doing. Now. That's when you say.

I'm so tired of Roseman. Listen knows what he's doing. Now. That's when you say.

I respect you, but I don't like right right, you know what I'm saying, I respect you because each and every yeah, I watch you. He does what I call the Madden Draft. He drafts names. He want big school guys. You want guys that started off high in the draft and maybe failed a little bit.

I respect you, but I don't like right right, you know what I'm saying, I respect you because each and every yeah, I watch you. He does what I call the Madden Draft. He drafts names. He want big school guys. You want guys that started off high in the draft and maybe failed a little bit.

He wants those guys.

He wants those guys.

And then when you add a Sakon Barkley to an offense that was almost already unstoppable with Swift in the.

And then when you add a Sakon Barkley to an offense that was almost already unstoppable with Swift in the.

Back, now he has a line for the first time of his career.

Back, now he has a line for the first time of his career.

Not only does that line he got a quarterback. First of all, he won't be zeroed in on right.

Not only does that line he got a quarterback. First of all, he won't be zeroed in on right.

You can't just write, you can't just folks on him and the offenses.

You can't just write, you can't just folks on him and the offenses.

And then you gotta ask yourself, not just running the ball, what you're gonna do when emotions at the back, feeling your and your linebacker is one on one with say Corn bark He's gonna get beat.

And then you gotta ask yourself, not just running the ball, what you're gonna do when emotions at the back, feeling your and your linebacker is one on one with say Corn bark He's gonna get beat.

Now.

Now.

The question is I don't think Kudos and hair Roseman y'all got the troops.

The question is I don't think Kudos and hair Roseman y'all got the troops.

The question is do they got the generals because we watched them take a step back last year because of coaches. One head coaches is coaching at the Arizona Cardiners, the other one at the coach Both sides of the ball went backwards last year. Can they pick it back up? Because I think they do, got too good coordinators, but it takes time. It takes time. Are they on the same clock is the question? But do they have the players. I hate Philadelphia. I hate to say this, the city with Rocky a statue of a man that don't exist. Yes, they are to me the top of the class of the division right now.

The question is do they got the generals because we watched them take a step back last year because of coaches. One head coaches is coaching at the Arizona Cardiners, the other one at the coach Both sides of the ball went backwards last year. Can they pick it back up? Because I think they do, got too good coordinators, but it takes time. It takes time. Are they on the same clock is the question? But do they have the players. I hate Philadelphia. I hate to say this, the city with Rocky a statue of a man that don't exist. Yes, they are to me the top of the class of the division right now.

QUINNYA Mitchell, great cornerback. And then we were at the draft party for the Commanders and when we saw Cooper de Jon's name, we were like, don't get Cooper de John Boom.

QUINNYA Mitchell, great cornerback. And then we were at the draft party for the Commanders and when we saw Cooper de Jon's name, we were like, don't get Cooper de John Boom.

They got it, like they fixed what was weak last year for them secondary where they got they got baby youthful. They got the best corner and pretty much the best safety in the draft.

They got it, like they fixed what was weak last year for them secondary where they got they got baby youthful. They got the best corner and pretty much the best safety in the draft.

All right, So yeah, I can't hate. I can't hate. I want to hate so bad.

All right, So yeah, I can't hate. I can't hate. I want to hate so bad.

I know he ain't a little bit here. Yeah yeah, Cowboys, the Cowboys get Tyler guiding out of Oklahoma.

I know he ain't a little bit here. Yeah yeah, Cowboys, the Cowboys get Tyler guiding out of Oklahoma.

No, let me tell you somebody, Okay, okay, I studied this kid. I wanted him so so bad. Did you really he used to play tailback? Jinks, he did the discat have you Washington played basketball?

No, let me tell you somebody, Okay, okay, I studied this kid. I wanted him so so bad. Did you really he used to play tailback? Jinks, he did the discat have you Washington played basketball?

This dude is a after league.

This dude is a after league.

Because he has like fourteen career starts. Like he's just growing in his positioned.

Because he has like fourteen career starts. Like he's just growing in his positioned.

He's just a man child. He's just he's a coach's dream. The one thing about guys that ain't played a lot of football. They ain't got no bad habits. They ain't been playing long enough to collect him. That mean you got clean slate protocol. So now I need to put your athletic score and not worried about your mental score right now because I get to bill your mentor up. Well, his athletics score is through the roof. I told you he used to play running back. This says it all. He ran under this dude at three and forty. Listen to me, obese.

He's just a man child. He's just he's a coach's dream. The one thing about guys that ain't played a lot of football. They ain't got no bad habits. They ain't been playing long enough to collect him. That mean you got clean slate protocol. So now I need to put your athletic score and not worried about your mental score right now because I get to bill your mentor up. Well, his athletics score is through the roof. I told you he used to play running back. This says it all. He ran under this dude at three and forty. Listen to me, obese.

Yes, he might start off slow because he had to.

Yes, he might start off slow because he had to.

He's still learning the position. But once he anchors in, you're talking about the next twelve years.

He's still learning the position. But once he anchors in, you're talking about the next twelve years.

They gotta do.

They gotta do.

So when you think about the Cowboys and everybody's been giving Jerry Jones a hard time, he said all in in twenty twenty four, rue all in. They didn't do a lot in free agency.

So when you think about the Cowboys and everybody's been giving Jerry Jones a hard time, he said all in in twenty twenty four, rue all in. They didn't do a lot in free agency.

They have to, they need to or not? What do they need to get right? Think about this.

They have to, they need to or not? What do they need to get right? Think about this.

D ron Bland led the league and interceptions last year and touchdowns and he started for Trevor and d they got injured and guess what, So now you got the inner interception leader from the year before. And the interception leader from the year before that on the both teams. When they helped, you didn't need no defensive backs linebackers. I still got Michael Parsons and the cold guy. I think they did sign a one veteran defensive line solidified, right. The only thing we talked about offensive line. They lost Terry Smiths.

D ron Bland led the league and interceptions last year and touchdowns and he started for Trevor and d they got injured and guess what, So now you got the inner interception leader from the year before. And the interception leader from the year before that on the both teams. When they helped, you didn't need no defensive backs linebackers. I still got Michael Parsons and the cold guy. I think they did sign a one veteran defensive line solidified, right. The only thing we talked about offensive line. They lost Terry Smiths.

Guiding plug and play.

Guiding plug and play.

Let's go.

Let's go.

They brought Zeke back. We know would they couldn't run between the trenches last year? What did they need to add anything to the receiving quarter? Tighty know they this was a team ready to be baked. The best teams in the NFL do not depend on the draft. What more can I tell you? Like the draft is a plus. If we get two players out of here that contribute to the team, so be it. Like the draft is for the future, not for now. So I'm not mad that they didn't go sign on free agents. I'm not mad that they didn't care who they drafted. They roster is ready made. The question is right now And I hate to put this in my bulldog brother in here comes, Okay, can Dack win the big game? And I don't know if it's the other positions. I can't give you a better roster. Like if I if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm looking back in the face for what you make. I cannot give you a better roster. This is the best you're going to get. Can you make that one or two play in them playoff games to get us over the hump?

They brought Zeke back. We know would they couldn't run between the trenches last year? What did they need to add anything to the receiving quarter? Tighty know they this was a team ready to be baked. The best teams in the NFL do not depend on the draft. What more can I tell you? Like the draft is a plus. If we get two players out of here that contribute to the team, so be it. Like the draft is for the future, not for now. So I'm not mad that they didn't go sign on free agents. I'm not mad that they didn't care who they drafted. They roster is ready made. The question is right now And I hate to put this in my bulldog brother in here comes, Okay, can Dack win the big game? And I don't know if it's the other positions. I can't give you a better roster. Like if I if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm looking back in the face for what you make. I cannot give you a better roster. This is the best you're going to get. Can you make that one or two play in them playoff games to get us over the hump?

He hasn't proven that he can right now.

He hasn't proven that he can right now.

If you ask anybody which quarterback you trust in the NFCS right now, it'll be like Jalen hurts over.

If you ask anybody which quarterback you trust in the NFCS right now, it'll be like Jalen hurts over.

It's got to be a mental thing, right Or is there some sort of tool that he's missing in his quarterback toolbox where there's one thing that he lacks and it really affects him the postseason.

It's got to be a mental thing, right Or is there some sort of tool that he's missing in his quarterback toolbox where there's one thing that he lacks and it really affects him the postseason.

No, I just think he's more potent as a runner than he gives his self credit for. He ran himself to the NFL from Missippi State, and all of a sudden, now he's a pocket pass.

No, I just think he's more potent as a runner than he gives his self credit for. He ran himself to the NFL from Missippi State, and all of a sudden, now he's a pocket pass.

Now.

Now.

I understand the year.

I understand the year.

He got hurt that you're coming back from him. I'm not gonna run that much. I think last year he started to use them legs more and get you get three cheap first downs with your legs, you.

He got hurt that you're coming back from him. I'm not gonna run that much. I think last year he started to use them legs more and get you get three cheap first downs with your legs, you.

Won this game.

Won this game.

I want him to use his legs more. He's a bulldog brother, just not against.

I want him to use his legs more. He's a bulldog brother, just not against.

Washington because Cowboys aside. Dak is a really good, like likable guy.

Washington because Cowboys aside. Dak is a really good, like likable guy.

I love him, great person.

I love him, great person.

I just can't say great player yet now he hadn't made any great plays when it count.

I just can't say great player yet now he hadn't made any great plays when it count.

We're hoping we see a lot of great players coming out this get class for the Commanders. He's gonna talk to an expert about it. But before we get to that, Yeah, let's play the bills real quick.

We're hoping we see a lot of great players coming out this get class for the Commanders. He's gonna talk to an expert about it. But before we get to that, Yeah, let's play the bills real quick.

Paint him be Heels and.

Paint him be Heels and.

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Yeah, but Mike singers still, Hey, listen, I love him because you know what, the day after we draft.

Yeah, but Mike singers still, Hey, listen, I love him because you know what, the day after we draft.

Him, he jumped in the DM, did he Yeah?

Him, he jumped in the DM, did he Yeah?

Man, he's showing love to the veteran to the Ogs, and we introduced ourselves. Teach that I couldn't wait to see him. Then we came into the building. I got a chance to meet him.

Man, he's showing love to the veteran to the Ogs, and we introduced ourselves. Teach that I couldn't wait to see him. Then we came into the building. I got a chance to meet him.

My type of guy, you know, v we see, we see eye of eye.

My type of guy, you know, v we see, we see eye of eye.

It's a different it's a different world as a defensive back. So I'm really intrigued by what he brings to the table.

It's a different it's a different world as a defensive back. So I'm really intrigued by what he brings to the table.

We get more insight from Isaiah Hall, he is the published Wolverine's Wire, a Michigan beat reporter, joins us now here on the pod and Isaiah, first of all, thanks for being with us. Second of all, what is it that makes Mike so special? He can do a little bit of everything. Yeah, but the last couple of seasons he was unbelievable at Michigan.

We get more insight from Isaiah Hall, he is the published Wolverine's Wire, a Michigan beat reporter, joins us now here on the pod and Isaiah, first of all, thanks for being with us. Second of all, what is it that makes Mike so special? He can do a little bit of everything. Yeah, but the last couple of seasons he was unbelievable at Michigan.

Well, really, ultimately it starts with his leadership because that.

Well, really, ultimately it starts with his leadership because that.

He was one of the guys that when when people talk about Michigan's kind of turnaround. Now, Michigan didn't completely fall off. It just had really one bad year. It was twenty twenty, the COVID year. But they went from being a decent team to a bad team to a great team. And everyone always talks about Aiden Hutchinson as being the guy who turned things around. But Mikey Sayinris still was one of those guys who was actually pivotal. He was he was leading those player led meetings. He got everyone on the same page. And that was when he was a wide receiver. He wasn't exactly a productive player at that time, but he exudes leadership and I think that that is one of the things, Like he's a guy that people galvanize around and he leads by example as well. He's a guy that was always in the weight room. He doesn't look like a big guy, but he at the same time like he was a leader in that weight room.

He was one of the guys that when when people talk about Michigan's kind of turnaround. Now, Michigan didn't completely fall off. It just had really one bad year. It was twenty twenty, the COVID year. But they went from being a decent team to a bad team to a great team. And everyone always talks about Aiden Hutchinson as being the guy who turned things around. But Mikey Sayinris still was one of those guys who was actually pivotal. He was he was leading those player led meetings. He got everyone on the same page. And that was when he was a wide receiver. He wasn't exactly a productive player at that time, but he exudes leadership and I think that that is one of the things, Like he's a guy that people galvanize around and he leads by example as well. He's a guy that was always in the weight room. He doesn't look like a big guy, but he at the same time like he was a leader in that weight room.

Uh.

Uh.

And then his play on the field. But he finally got his opportunity. You saw when he when he switched over from wide receiver to defensive back. Everyone just saw a guy that was just working harder than everyone else. And with that, I mean, he really kind of set the stage and set the example for what all these other players.

And then his play on the field. But he finally got his opportunity. You saw when he when he switched over from wide receiver to defensive back. Everyone just saw a guy that was just working harder than everyone else. And with that, I mean, he really kind of set the stage and set the example for what all these other players.

Need to do.

Need to do.

I can tell you this, out of everyone that Michigan is losing to the NFL this this offseason. While people would probably pick JJ McCarthy number one because he's a quarterback, you know, that's a one of one. If you could say any you could keep any one non quarterback position for the next year or for the foreseeable everyone would say Mikey Sainras still and how often do you hear.

I can tell you this, out of everyone that Michigan is losing to the NFL this this offseason. While people would probably pick JJ McCarthy number one because he's a quarterback, you know, that's a one of one. If you could say any you could keep any one non quarterback position for the next year or for the foreseeable everyone would say Mikey Sainras still and how often do you hear.

That about a nickelback.

That about a nickelback.

So it's it's he's a fan favorite. Gratiated himself extremely well to the fan base. In a large part it was because of his leadership. Everyone knew that he was the guy leading the charge for the defense really the last couple of years for Michigan.

So it's it's he's a fan favorite. Gratiated himself extremely well to the fan base. In a large part it was because of his leadership. Everyone knew that he was the guy leading the charge for the defense really the last couple of years for Michigan.

That's something I love to hear.

That's something I love to hear.

And you talked about some early in their conversation, like I always judge players not by the success but by the failures. And you got a chance to watch him not kind of blossom at wide receiver and be what he wanted to be at the wide receiver. Did you ever have a conversation with him during that time when he was going through.

And you talked about some early in their conversation, like I always judge players not by the success but by the failures. And you got a chance to watch him not kind of blossom at wide receiver and be what he wanted to be at the wide receiver. Did you ever have a conversation with him during that time when he was going through.

I should I trade positions? Should I stay at wide receiver?

I should I trade positions? Should I stay at wide receiver?

You know, I always like to see what was going on in athlete's head when an uncertainty is hanging over their head.

You know, I always like to see what was going on in athlete's head when an uncertainty is hanging over their head.

I'm sure we have probably had that conversation. I can't recall exactly, but it's the thing about it was is he when he came in as a wide receiver, and keep in mind he was a three star. Yeah, he was originally committed to Virginia Tech as a defensive back and he flipped late to Michigan and early enrolled, and he was a hype beast coming in and that's pretty rare for a three star. So all that entire spring of twenty nineteen, all we were hearing was, Mikey Sandra still catches everything that's thrown at him. He's got these incredible hands, He's an insane route runner. He can do just about everything that you want. He's going to be an instant impact guy in this class. And Michigan fans were a lot more excited about another wide receiver in the class named Giles Jackson, who ended up transpring to Washington. But with all the hype that Giles Jackson had for such a long time being a higher rated four star with Speedster all spring and into the summer, in the fall camp, it was Mikey Sandr's still, Mikey Sandra's still, Mikey Sindri's still And then he really didn't see him right like he And that was kind of the case for the next couple of years. Yeah, he'd have a big play here and there. He'd twenty twenty one, he laid out for a really impressive catch against Nebraska. He had a touchdown against Michigan State and the loss that year.

I'm sure we have probably had that conversation. I can't recall exactly, but it's the thing about it was is he when he came in as a wide receiver, and keep in mind he was a three star. Yeah, he was originally committed to Virginia Tech as a defensive back and he flipped late to Michigan and early enrolled, and he was a hype beast coming in and that's pretty rare for a three star. So all that entire spring of twenty nineteen, all we were hearing was, Mikey Sandra still catches everything that's thrown at him. He's got these incredible hands, He's an insane route runner. He can do just about everything that you want. He's going to be an instant impact guy in this class. And Michigan fans were a lot more excited about another wide receiver in the class named Giles Jackson, who ended up transpring to Washington. But with all the hype that Giles Jackson had for such a long time being a higher rated four star with Speedster all spring and into the summer, in the fall camp, it was Mikey Sandr's still, Mikey Sandra's still, Mikey Sindri's still And then he really didn't see him right like he And that was kind of the case for the next couple of years. Yeah, he'd have a big play here and there. He'd twenty twenty one, he laid out for a really impressive catch against Nebraska. He had a touchdown against Michigan State and the loss that year.

But this person v ppearance.

But this person v ppearance.

It was never like a mention of, yeah, you should switch positions Mikey. It was kind of like the staff and him behind closed doors going into twenty twenty two, is like, why don't we.

It was never like a mention of, yeah, you should switch positions Mikey. It was kind of like the staff and him behind closed doors going into twenty twenty two, is like, why don't we.

Try this out?

Try this out?

Because Jim Harbaugh always had kind of a pension for being able to see a guy that could play on the other side of the ball one way or another. Yeah, he did it with Richard Sherman when he was at Stanford. Yeah, and obviously it's similar results here, Like that's one of the things that he's kind of been known for. So all of that kind of happened behind closed doors. Yeah, Mikey was definitely frustrated. He definitely wasn't feeling like he was living up to the potential, and you could sense a little bit of that frustration, But it was never like a like, man, you're really failing. You really need to figure it out. He was always kind of like a whatever the team needs me to do to help. That's what I'll do. And one of the things that he would say to us in the media constantly is if if they asked me to play nose tack, I'll do it like That's the type of mentality he had. It was never like a what can I do to maximize my own capability. It was whatever the team needs. If they need me to play nose tackle, if they need me to play center, if they need me to play quarterback, I will do any of those things.

Because Jim Harbaugh always had kind of a pension for being able to see a guy that could play on the other side of the ball one way or another. Yeah, he did it with Richard Sherman when he was at Stanford. Yeah, and obviously it's similar results here, Like that's one of the things that he's kind of been known for. So all of that kind of happened behind closed doors. Yeah, Mikey was definitely frustrated. He definitely wasn't feeling like he was living up to the potential, and you could sense a little bit of that frustration, But it was never like a like, man, you're really failing. You really need to figure it out. He was always kind of like a whatever the team needs me to do to help. That's what I'll do. And one of the things that he would say to us in the media constantly is if if they asked me to play nose tack, I'll do it like That's the type of mentality he had. It was never like a what can I do to maximize my own capability. It was whatever the team needs. If they need me to play nose tackle, if they need me to play center, if they need me to play quarterback, I will do any of those things.

And i might not know much about it, but I'll figure it out.

And i might not know much about it, but I'll figure it out.

And that always has been his mentality, and that's why it was not terribly surprising to see that he had the type of success he had once he switched over to the defensive side of the wall.

And that always has been his mentality, and that's why it was not terribly surprising to see that he had the type of success he had once he switched over to the defensive side of the wall.

Isaiah, he has all sorts of individual athletic traits, but one of the best compliments I think you can give to a defender is he is always around the football. Is always around the football.

Isaiah, he has all sorts of individual athletic traits, but one of the best compliments I think you can give to a defender is he is always around the football. Is always around the football.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

It was one of those things in the Rose Bowl when things were kind of on the line.

It was one of those things in the Rose Bowl when things were kind of on the line.

I'm on the sidelines because I'm a photographer, and I laughed with another photographer. We said, all right, well, it's about time for the patented mike Mikey Sandra's still turn over the game to happen because.

I'm on the sidelines because I'm a photographer, and I laughed with another photographer. We said, all right, well, it's about time for the patented mike Mikey Sandra's still turn over the game to happen because.

That's like what you expected.

That's like what you expected.

You expected that if things were kind of going dire, he was going to find a way to get to the football. You saw it in the Maryland game. Michigan's defense did not have the best day. It was their tied for their worst game all season long as far as points, points allowed, And you would you would think, oh, Alabama, Washington one of those teams.

You expected that if things were kind of going dire, he was going to find a way to get to the football. You saw it in the Maryland game. Michigan's defense did not have the best day. It was their tied for their worst game all season long as far as points, points allowed, And you would you would think, oh, Alabama, Washington one of those teams.

Nope, it was it was Maryland.

Nope, it was it was Maryland.

But every time that Maryland had the ball in their hands and was trying to drive the field with a chance to tie the game, Mikey Sanders still both times comes down with an interception. You look at the Ohio State game, he makes a big hit on this past year on Trevion Henderson. You look the year before, he makes the games saving play. I mean, Michigan was up and everything, but Ohio State, with an opportunity, opportunity to get within striking distance, throws what looks to be a surefire touchdown to cave Stover the big tight end, and out of nowhere, Mikey Sander still comes and knocks the ball way running from the other side of the field. He's just got that knack. And then he's the one who ended up calling game against against Washington in the National Championship game. Washington with that again, that opportunity to get within striking distance, you got Michael Pennox looking for his one of his talented whiteouts, and Mikey Saint Rustill jumps in front of the ball and takes it back.

But every time that Maryland had the ball in their hands and was trying to drive the field with a chance to tie the game, Mikey Sanders still both times comes down with an interception. You look at the Ohio State game, he makes a big hit on this past year on Trevion Henderson. You look the year before, he makes the games saving play. I mean, Michigan was up and everything, but Ohio State, with an opportunity, opportunity to get within striking distance, throws what looks to be a surefire touchdown to cave Stover the big tight end, and out of nowhere, Mikey Sander still comes and knocks the ball way running from the other side of the field. He's just got that knack. And then he's the one who ended up calling game against against Washington in the National Championship game. Washington with that again, that opportunity to get within striking distance, you got Michael Pennox looking for his one of his talented whiteouts, and Mikey Saint Rustill jumps in front of the ball and takes it back.

Almost the whole way.

Almost the whole way.

That's just kind of who he is. You know, he's gonna make that big game changing play.

That's just kind of who he is. You know, he's gonna make that big game changing play.

Uh.

Uh.

He did it on almost every single game last year. It was really impressive how much he just felt like, all right, well the game game, you know, maybe feels a little bit dicey here for a second, and then Mikey Santra's still steps in and makes that big play.

He did it on almost every single game last year. It was really impressive how much he just felt like, all right, well the game game, you know, maybe feels a little bit dicey here for a second, and then Mikey Santra's still steps in and makes that big play.

And I think that, you know, speaking today, I think that has a lot to do with the people that's have been around him. And when I think about him, when I watched him, I was like, he reminds me of a faster uh come on Tampa Bay und bar run da Barber. Oh, he reminded me of a faster run day Barber dre blind somebody that the ball finds them, even like d Hall, where the balls fired, they magnetically attracted to the ball. Now, I got to ask you this, with him having Jim Harbaugh, a pro coach, they went to college, that's back in the pros. With him having Mike McDonald defensive coordinated, that's a pro coach that's in the pros. Now, how much do you think that's gonna help him hit the ground running when it comes to the pros.

And I think that, you know, speaking today, I think that has a lot to do with the people that's have been around him. And when I think about him, when I watched him, I was like, he reminds me of a faster uh come on Tampa Bay und bar run da Barber. Oh, he reminded me of a faster run day Barber dre blind somebody that the ball finds them, even like d Hall, where the balls fired, they magnetically attracted to the ball. Now, I got to ask you this, with him having Jim Harbaugh, a pro coach, they went to college, that's back in the pros. With him having Mike McDonald defensive coordinated, that's a pro coach that's in the pros. Now, how much do you think that's gonna help him hit the ground running when it comes to the pros.

I think it's gonna help it. Excuse me, I mean it's gonna help him mentally.

I think it's gonna help it. Excuse me, I mean it's gonna help him mentally.

Right.

Right.

Michigan ran a pro style program.

Michigan ran a pro style program.

I've often heard that when't a lot of these players arrive for their NFL mini camps and everything, that Michigan players are ahead of the curve because they know exactly what is supposed to happen on a day to day basis.

I've often heard that when't a lot of these players arrive for their NFL mini camps and everything, that Michigan players are ahead of the curve because they know exactly what is supposed to happen on a day to day basis.

They're not wide eyed in everything because when they.

They're not wide eyed in everything because when they.

Get there that they're Every single part of what Michigan did was done in an NFL fashion. It was done in the same scheduling, the same style. Right, So they come in with just kind of the already having a pretty good idea of here's what I need to do. And I think that The best place that you can see that happen is not necessarily in the high end guys that end up going to the NFL. It's a lot of those, a lot of those guys who go undrafted that end up making rosters. But you know, Sean McCune, who was with the Cowboys just got signed with the Lions. You look at Josh Mattellus, who was undrafted by the Vikings, was a free agent by the Vikings, and then he's a team captain there now. So I think that that actually speaks to it, and I think it certainly helps for the commander's cause that you get a guy that was kind of the leader of the program. I think that they're out of everyone that was in the in that room, everyone that was in Shambeckler Hall. It could be Blake Korum, could be JJ McCarthy. You know, it kind of doesn't really matter who. I think that Mikey Sainraus still is the most NFL esque guy in the terms of he's the biggest leader.

Get there that they're Every single part of what Michigan did was done in an NFL fashion. It was done in the same scheduling, the same style. Right, So they come in with just kind of the already having a pretty good idea of here's what I need to do. And I think that The best place that you can see that happen is not necessarily in the high end guys that end up going to the NFL. It's a lot of those, a lot of those guys who go undrafted that end up making rosters. But you know, Sean McCune, who was with the Cowboys just got signed with the Lions. You look at Josh Mattellus, who was undrafted by the Vikings, was a free agent by the Vikings, and then he's a team captain there now. So I think that that actually speaks to it, and I think it certainly helps for the commander's cause that you get a guy that was kind of the leader of the program. I think that they're out of everyone that was in the in that room, everyone that was in Shambeckler Hall. It could be Blake Korum, could be JJ McCarthy. You know, it kind of doesn't really matter who. I think that Mikey Sainraus still is the most NFL esque guy in the terms of he's the biggest leader.

He's the one that exudes the you.

He's the one that exudes the you.

Know, the confidence, he's the example. He's teachable, but also helps bring other guys along.

Know, the confidence, he's the example. He's teachable, but also helps bring other guys along.

Like it's he was.

Like it's he was.

Always a guy that you'd hear younger defensive backs, younger even younger wide receivers when he was a receiver, though he wasn't necessarily, you know, a stat monster out there, that he was helping bring other guys along. So he knows, like the whole wrote, what you do on a daily basis, what you do with your teammates, how you interact with your teammates, how you interact with your coaches, how it all kind of works. And I think that he learned a lot of that obviously from Jim Harbaugh and his other coaches and being able to be in those NFL systems, And certainly it's going to help having Ben in an NFL defense the last several years, right, Like he wasn't in the Mike McDonald's defense, but he was with Jesse Minterer the following year is when he switched over.

Always a guy that you'd hear younger defensive backs, younger even younger wide receivers when he was a receiver, though he wasn't necessarily, you know, a stat monster out there, that he was helping bring other guys along. So he knows, like the whole wrote, what you do on a daily basis, what you do with your teammates, how you interact with your teammates, how you interact with your coaches, how it all kind of works. And I think that he learned a lot of that obviously from Jim Harbaugh and his other coaches and being able to be in those NFL systems, And certainly it's going to help having Ben in an NFL defense the last several years, right, Like he wasn't in the Mike McDonald's defense, but he was with Jesse Minterer the following year is when he switched over.

So like, you know, having Ben with Jesse.

So like, you know, having Ben with Jesse.

Minter, who's obviously now the Chargers defensive coordinator, who's running Wink Martindale's system from both the Raves and the Giants, I mean, that's just gonna be a huge help for him as far as it comes to acclimating.

Minter, who's obviously now the Chargers defensive coordinator, who's running Wink Martindale's system from both the Raves and the Giants, I mean, that's just gonna be a huge help for him as far as it comes to acclimating.

I think you heard the quote from Nick Saban where he said, pound for pound, this the best player in the Yeah. Is he right?

I think you heard the quote from Nick Saban where he said, pound for pound, this the best player in the Yeah. Is he right?

I mean I think he's He's the type of guy that can do just about anything that you ask him to. I mean he always got a clamor to move back to receiver just for like a series or two as well. I mean he can he can do those things. I think that the highest praise isn't necessarily from Nick Saban, it comes courtesy of Jalen McMillan, the the wide wide receiver for Washington who went.

I mean I think he's He's the type of guy that can do just about anything that you ask him to. I mean he always got a clamor to move back to receiver just for like a series or two as well. I mean he can he can do those things. I think that the highest praise isn't necessarily from Nick Saban, it comes courtesy of Jalen McMillan, the the wide wide receiver for Washington who went.

In this this past draft.

In this this past draft.

He was asked at the combine, who you know, out of everyone that you've faced in your college career, who's the one that troubled you the most? And he's like, it was Mikey Sanders. Still He's like that guy pissed me off. Like it's like he knew everything that we were going to try to do and I couldn't really do anything about it. And that I think that's the best fit. When you have a guy that also understands what the route trees look like, has had that experience and being a wide receiver, is that he's gonna go up against a lot of wide receivers and they're gonna get really frustrated because he knows all of their tactics to try to get open he knows, uh has a pretty good idea what their routes look like. He's not gonna get fooled too much by the types of things that they're gonna do.

He was asked at the combine, who you know, out of everyone that you've faced in your college career, who's the one that troubled you the most? And he's like, it was Mikey Sanders. Still He's like that guy pissed me off. Like it's like he knew everything that we were going to try to do and I couldn't really do anything about it. And that I think that's the best fit. When you have a guy that also understands what the route trees look like, has had that experience and being a wide receiver, is that he's gonna go up against a lot of wide receivers and they're gonna get really frustrated because he knows all of their tactics to try to get open he knows, uh has a pretty good idea what their routes look like. He's not gonna get fooled too much by the types of things that they're gonna do.

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And I mean you saw that in that National Championship game against McMillan in particular, there was a there was a moment where it was third down and it was like third and I think like seven or something like that. They so they have this little screen pass and they get it to McMillan in an open space. He's just got to shake one guy. Unfortunately for him, the guy was Mikey Saberstill, who wraps him up and makes the like this devastating open field tackle just completely takes him down. And it's it's one of those things where you look at that technique and it's like, yeah, it's hard to really say that a guy can be better than that. But on top for that right position, didn't fall for any kind of moves that McMillan was trying to make to shake him. Because I think that you're looking probably at seventy five percent of the time, McMillan at least gets a couple of yards out of that, But no, he went down right where he got it, so that that kind of tells you how technically sound, how smart, and how physical Mikey Singer still is.