As a Christian parent, you can never have too many resources! Hear compelling segments from three fascinating LifeAudio shows hosted by Christian homeschooling moms and discover a new podcast you'll love! 

Subscribe to the featured shows below & listen to more of their episodes!

Empowering Homeschool Conversations with Peggy Ployhar: https://apple.co/3rStaIj / https://sptfy.com/P4uL

Real Refreshment with Rachael Carman: https://apple.co/400Tq00 / https://sptfy.com/P4uJ

Homeschooling Families with Leslie Nunnery: https://apple.co/45y46UT / https://sptfy.com/P4uK

As a Christian parent, you can never have too many resources! Hear compelling segments from three fascinating LifeAudio shows hosted by Christian homeschooling moms and discover a new podcast you'll love! 
Subscribe to the featured shows below &amp; listen to more of their episodes!
Empowering Homeschool Conversations with Peggy Ployhar: <a href="https://apple.co/3rStaIj">https://apple.co/3rStaIj</a> / <a href="https://sptfy.com/P4uL">https://sptfy.com/P4uL</a> 
Real Refreshment with Rachael Carman: <a href="https://apple.co/400Tq00">https://apple.co/400Tq00</a> / <a href="https://sptfy.com/P4uJ">https://sptfy.com/P4uJ</a> 
Homeschooling Families with Leslie Nunnery: <a href="https://apple.co/45y46UT">https://apple.co/45y46UT</a> / <a href="https://sptfy.com/P4uK">https://sptfy.com/P4uK</a>

The Christian Parent, Crazy World podcast with Catherine Segars equips moms and dads to be godly parents in a world that often opposes their faith. As a passionate apologist and seasoned communicator, Catherine unpacks the tough cultural issues facing families today, offering insightful, biblically grounded guidance. Each episode helps parents understand the challenges of our times and respond with wisdom, confidence, and grace.

Topics covered on this podcast include:
What to Do If Your Child Walks Away from the Faith
Can Our Words Change the Future?
Why Are So Many Kids Falling Away from The Faith?
13 Ways To Be a Better Parent This Year
5 Things Every Parent Needs to Know About Gen Z
What Critical Foundation Do Many Parents Miss When Discipling Their Kids?
How To Teach Your Kids the Christian Worldview 
Hope and Strategy for Parents of Prodigal Children

Want to read some of Catherine's most popular Christian parenting articles? Check them out here: https://www.crosswalk.com/author/catherine-segars/

The Christian Parent, Crazy World&nbsp;podcast with Catherine Segars equips moms and dads to be godly parents in a world that often opposes their faith. As a passionate apologist and seasoned communicator, Catherine unpacks the tough cultural issues facing families today, offering insightful, biblically grounded guidance. Each episode helps parents understand the challenges of our times and respond with wisdom, confidence, and grace.
Topics covered on this podcast include:
<ul>
<li>What to Do If Your Child Walks Away from the Faith</li>
<li>Can Our Words Change the Future?</li>
<li>Why Are So Many Kids Falling Away from The Faith?</li>
<li>13 Ways To Be a Better Parent This Year</li>
<li>5 Things Every Parent Needs to Know About Gen Z</li>
<li>What Critical Foundation Do Many Parents Miss When Discipling Their Kids?</li>
<li>How To Teach Your Kids the Christian Worldview&nbsp;</li>
<li>Hope and Strategy for Parents of Prodigal Children</li>
</ul>
Want to read some of Catherine's most popular Christian parenting articles? Check them out here: https://www.crosswalk.com/author/catherine-segars/

Christian Parent, Crazy World is a podcast dedicated to helping you be a godly parent in an ungodly world.

Christian Parent, Crazy World

Christian Parent Crazy World

3 Empowering Podcasts for Christian Moms

Nothing repairs a parent-child relationship—or models the heart of the gospel—more powerfully than eight humble words: “I’m sorry. I was wrong. Please forgive me.” In a world where authority is often prized over humility, Catherine shines a light on the crucial, yet challenging, words every parent must be willing to say.

In this deeply practical “Best Of” episode, Catherine explores why these eight words are harder to say than most—and how they carry the potential to transform the atmosphere of our homes. With her trademark honesty and grace, Catherine tackles the barriers parents face in admitting fault and offers biblically-grounded wisdom for restoring trust when we inevitably get it wrong.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode:


The three critical objectives achieved when parents humbly apologize, including healing breaches in trust, modeling biblical repentance, and affirming your child’s growth and autonomy.


Why saying “I’m sorry” isn’t always enough—and the importance of going beyond surface-level apologies to confessing, “I was wrong,” especially when our delivery lacks love.


A breakdown of the four parenting phases—caregiver, cop, coach, and counselor—and how operating in the wrong one can damage relationships with older kids.


Catherine’s actionable, eight bonus words: “What can I do to make it right?”—a powerful next step for restoration and collaboration with your child.

Rooted in 1 Corinthians 13, Catherine reminds listeners that even “if I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy, but I don’t love, I’m nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate.” She vulnerably shares her own journey toward quicker humility and confesses her husband models this with grace she’s always striving to emulate.

Notable Quotes from This Episode:


“Parenting really isn’t about perfection. It’s about formation—ours and theirs.”


“Dictators last for a season. But at some point, there will be a citizens’ revolt.”


“Our kids need to see humility and repentance from us.”

If you want a legacy of trust, openness, and faith in your family, tune in to learn the eight essential words every parent should have in their relational toolbox.

Ask Yourself:
When was the last time you told your child, “I was wrong. Please forgive me”? What might change in your home if humility and grace defined your relationship repairs?

Want more practical steps for rebuilding after mistakes? Don’t miss next week’s "best of" episode, where Catherine welcomes back Kirsten Vossler, host of the Rejoicing in Motherhood podcast, to share seven practical, grace-filled steps for resetting when you’ve blown it with your kids.

Subscribe and invite Catherine into your parenting journey at catherinesegars.com for free resources, encouragement, and faith-filled insight. Parenting as a Christian may be crazy, but you don’t have to do it alone.

Nothing repairs a parent-child relationship&mdash;or models the heart of the gospel&mdash;more powerfully than eight humble words: &ldquo;I&rsquo;m sorry. I was wrong. Please forgive me.&rdquo; In a world where authority is often prized over humility, Catherine shines a light on the crucial, yet challenging, words every parent must be willing to say.
In this deeply practical &ldquo;Best Of&rdquo; episode, Catherine explores why these eight words are harder to say than most&mdash;and how they carry the potential to transform the atmosphere of our homes. With her trademark honesty and grace, Catherine tackles the barriers parents face in admitting fault and offers biblically-grounded wisdom for restoring trust when we inevitably get it wrong.
What You&rsquo;ll Hear in This Episode:
<ul>
<li>
The three critical objectives achieved when parents humbly apologize, including healing breaches in trust, modeling biblical repentance, and affirming your child&rsquo;s growth and autonomy.
</li>
<li>
Why saying &ldquo;I&rsquo;m sorry&rdquo; isn&rsquo;t always enough&mdash;and the importance of going beyond surface-level apologies to confessing, &ldquo;I was wrong,&rdquo; especially when our delivery lacks love.
</li>
<li>
A breakdown of the four parenting phases&mdash;caregiver, cop, coach, and counselor&mdash;and how operating in the wrong one can damage relationships with older kids.
</li>
<li>
Catherine&rsquo;s actionable, eight bonus words: &ldquo;What can I do to make it right?&rdquo;&mdash;a powerful next step for restoration and collaboration with your child.
</li>
</ul>
Rooted in 1 Corinthians 13, Catherine reminds listeners that even &ldquo;if I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy, but I don&rsquo;t love, I&rsquo;m nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate.&rdquo; She vulnerably shares her own journey toward quicker humility and confesses her husband models this with grace she&rsquo;s always striving to emulate.
Notable Quotes from This Episode:
<ul>
<li>
&ldquo;Parenting really isn&rsquo;t about perfection. It&rsquo;s about formation&mdash;ours and theirs.&rdquo;
</li>
<li>
&ldquo;Dictators last for a season. But at some point, there will be a citizens&rsquo; revolt.&rdquo;
</li>
<li>
&ldquo;Our kids need to see humility and repentance from us.&rdquo;
</li>
</ul>
If you want a legacy of trust, openness, and faith in your family, tune in to learn the eight essential words every parent should have in their relational toolbox.
Ask Yourself: When was the last time you told your child, &ldquo;I was wrong. Please forgive me&rdquo;? What might change in your home if humility and grace defined your relationship repairs?
Want more practical steps for rebuilding after mistakes? Don&rsquo;t miss next week&rsquo;s "best of" episode, where Catherine welcomes back Kirsten Vossler, host of the Rejoicing in Motherhood podcast, to share seven practical, grace-filled steps for resetting when you&rsquo;ve blown it with your kids.
<hr>
Subscribe and invite Catherine into your parenting journey at <a href="https://catherinesegars.com/">catherinesegars.com</a>&nbsp;for free resources, encouragement, and faith-filled insight. Parenting as a Christian may be crazy, but you don&rsquo;t have to do it alone.

8 Words That Can Transform Your Relationship with Your Child - "Best Of" Ep. 85

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Few topics divide opinion in the church like money. But what if much of what we've been taught about giving isn't truly biblical?

In this eye-opening episode, host Catherine welcomes Bible scholar and award-winning author, Clifton Payne Jr., to set the record straight on what the Bible really says about money, tithing, and generosity. They cut through decades of confusion and misinterpretation, addressing the guilt-driven giving, prosperity promises, and toxic church culture that have warped how Christians view their finances—and God's character.

Clifton Payne Jr. reveals little-known truths from scripture (including the fact that there were actually three different tithes in ancient Israel, not just one!) and explains how biblical principles of stewardship are often misunderstood or misapplied today.

What You Will Discover in This Episode:


The deep mistrust many Christians have toward churches when it comes to money—and how church scandals, manipulation, and legalism fuel that distrust.


Surprising discoveries like the three biblical tithes, special rules for ancient Israel, and what Jesus actually teaches about taxes, tithing, and giving.


Why tithing is a model—not a requirement—for modern believers, and how generosity should flow from gratitude rather than obligation.


The crucial principle of "first fruits": why giving God our best and first, not our leftovers, directly impacts the spiritual life of our families.


The freedom found in New Testament giving, where the heart matters far more than the amount, and how generosity can be an antidote to materialism.


Powerful stories—like the unforgettable account of Otzi, an African woman whose tiny, sacrificial gift became the greatest offering in the eyes of God.

The conversation is both practical and pastoral, exploring how to talk about money with your kids, build healthy giving habits, and reclaim joy in generosity—even if you’ve been wounded by church abuse around this issue in the past.

About the Guest:
Clifton Payne Jr. is the author of What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It's Different Than You Think, a book that has earned recognition from both the American Bookfest and International Book Awards. Drawing on years of pastoral ministry and biblical scholarship (including studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem), Clifton untangles scripture from tradition, helping listeners return to the heart of God in their finances.

Key Takeaways for Listeners:


Don’t start with guilt or pressure—start with prayer and let giving flow from what God puts on your heart.


Giving first is a spiritual discipline that breaks the grip of materialism and invites God’s faithfulness into your life.


Teaching kids to give as a first priority (not last, as our culture encourages) will shape their lifelong habits and trust in God.


Generosity has enormous power to heal wounds, restore faith, and transform communities when practiced in freedom and love.

Episode Resources:
What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It’s Different Than You Think by Clifton H. Payne Jr. 

Catherine's Free Parenting Resources

Other Episodes in This Series:

EPISODE 175: When Leaders Exploit the Flock: A Biblical Response to Scandals ( w/ Clifton Payne Jr.)

EPISODE 174: Finding Financial Freedom: Breaking Free from Debt and Anxiety (w/ Jade Durham)

 

Few topics divide opinion in the church like money. But what if much of what we've been taught about giving isn't truly biblical?
In this eye-opening episode, host Catherine welcomes Bible scholar and award-winning author, Clifton Payne Jr., to set the record straight on what the Bible really says about money, tithing, and generosity. They cut through decades of confusion and misinterpretation, addressing the guilt-driven giving, prosperity promises, and toxic church culture that have warped how Christians view their finances&mdash;and God's character.
Clifton Payne Jr. reveals little-known truths from scripture (including the fact that there were actually three different tithes in ancient Israel, not just one!) and explains how biblical principles of stewardship are often misunderstood or misapplied today.
What You Will Discover in This Episode:
<ul>
<li>
The deep mistrust many Christians have toward churches when it comes to money&mdash;and how church scandals, manipulation, and legalism fuel that distrust.
</li>
<li>
Surprising discoveries like the three biblical tithes, special rules for ancient Israel, and what Jesus actually teaches about taxes, tithing, and giving.
</li>
<li>
Why tithing is a model&mdash;not a requirement&mdash;for modern believers, and how generosity should flow from gratitude rather than obligation.
</li>
<li>
The crucial principle of "first fruits": why giving God our best and first, not our leftovers, directly impacts the spiritual life of our families.
</li>
<li>
The freedom found in New Testament giving, where the heart matters far more than the amount, and how generosity can be an antidote to materialism.
</li>
<li>
Powerful stories&mdash;like the unforgettable account of Otzi, an African woman whose tiny, sacrificial gift became the greatest offering in the eyes of God.
</li>
</ul>
The conversation is both practical and pastoral, exploring how to talk about money with your kids, build healthy giving habits, and reclaim joy in generosity&mdash;even if you&rsquo;ve been wounded by church abuse around this issue in the past.
About the Guest: Clifton Payne Jr. is the author of What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It's Different Than You Think, a book that has earned recognition from both the American Bookfest and International Book Awards. Drawing on years of pastoral ministry and biblical scholarship (including studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem), Clifton untangles scripture from tradition, helping listeners return to the heart of God in their finances.
Key Takeaways for Listeners:
<ul>
<li>
Don&rsquo;t start with guilt or pressure&mdash;start with prayer and let giving flow from what God puts on your heart.
</li>
<li>
Giving first is a spiritual discipline that breaks the grip of materialism and invites God&rsquo;s faithfulness into your life.
</li>
<li>
Teaching kids to give as a first priority (not last, as our culture encourages) will shape their lifelong habits and trust in God.
</li>
<li>
Generosity has enormous power to heal wounds, restore faith, and transform communities when practiced in freedom and love.
</li>
</ul>
Episode Resources: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Bible-About-Tithing-Giving/dp/B0DQFK89JC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=26QQD4TU9VPUZ&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YgI9NjAh1DmYm0jCnn_V9A.T_NTyh4fVuO_9zF2OZjZoD7yEsCwBEkIRFbUvwo2v5M&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=clifton+h+payne+jr&amp;qid=1770532386&amp;sprefix=Clifton+H.+Pay%2Caps%2C379&amp;sr=8-1">What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It&rsquo;s Different Than You Think</a> by Clifton H. Payne Jr.&nbsp;
Catherine's <a href="https://catherinesegars.com/resources">Free Parenting Resources</a>
Other Episodes in This Series:
EPISODE 175:<a href="https://www.lifeaudio.com/christian-parent-crazy-world/when-leaders-exploit-the-flock-a-biblical-response-to-scandals-w-clifton-payne-jr-ep-175"> When Leaders Exploit the Flock: A Biblical Response to Scandals </a>( w/ Clifton Payne Jr.)
EPISODE 174: <a href="https://www.lifeaudio.com/christian-parent-crazy-world/finding-financial-freedom-breaking-free-from-debt-and-anxiety-w-jade-durham-ep-174">Finding Financial Freedom: Breaking Free from Debt and Anxiety</a> (w/ Jade Durham)
&nbsp;

What the Bible Really Teaches about Money, Tithing, and Giving (w/ Clifton Payne Jr.) -  Ep. 176

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When spiritual heroes fall, what happens to our faith—and that of our children? Financial manipulation and abuse within the church can leave deep wounds, shaking the foundation of trust and faith for entire families.

In this powerful episode of Christian Parent/Crazy World, host Catherine tackles one of the most urgent and painful issues affecting Christian families today: how to respond when trusted church leaders become charlatans, using their position for financial—or even sexual—exploitation. With real-life stories, audio clips, and biblical insight, this episode equips parents to guide their children through disappointment without abandoning the truth of the Gospel.

Joining Catherine is featured guest Clifton Payne Jr., pastor, writer, Hebrew University scholar, and author of What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It’s Different Than You Think. Having left the faith for fourteen years after witnessing financial abuse firsthand, Clifton Payne Jr. brings both scholarly expertise and personal experience to this heart-wrenching discussion.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:
Financial Abuse—A Widespread Scandal: Hear stories of pastors manipulating the vulnerable, including Clifton Payne Jr.’s grandmother and infamous televangelists promising “seed money” blessings for thousand-dollar gifts.
Charlatans Across Denominations: It’s not just one stream of Christianity; financial and sexual misconduct strike churches everywhere—from charismatic circles to mainline denominations to the Catholic church.
The Impact on Faith and Family: Discover why these betrayals don’t just hurt individuals—they threaten the faith of the next generation. Catherine lays bare how hypocrisy often drives children and parents alike away from church and sometimes, from God.
Biblical Wisdom for Difficult Days: Get to the heart of the Bible’s teachings on money, tithing, and generosity. Clifton Payne Jr. strips away manipulation, revealing how God’s desire for our hearts is profoundly different from the “prosperity gospel” sales pitch.
Honest Conversations at Home: Learn how to talk with your children about church scandals—without letting cynicism win. Public harm requires public correction, and as Christian parents, we are called to shepherd our homes by telling the truth.

Why This Matters:
This episode will challenge, grieve, and encourage you to see beyond the headlines and scandals. It’s a reminder that our faith must be rooted in Christ, not in flawed messengers. When parents grapple honestly with church failures and model God-honoring generosity, they provide children with a foundation that lasts beyond any scandal.

Modern Application:
Christian parents, are you prepared to shepherd your children through disappointment in the church? Are you modeling discernment, generosity, and faith that isn’t shaken by human failure?

About the Guest:
Clifton Payne Jr. is a pastor, writer, and biblical scholar with advanced study at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. His experiences with church financial abuse and long journey back to faith uniquely equip him to address manipulative money tactics and help families find biblical clarity in confusing times. His book, What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It’s Different Than You Think, is available on Amazon and other major booksellers.

EPISODE LINKS:
Clifton Payne Jr.’s Book: What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It’s Different Than You Think
Subscribe to Catherine's resources for Christian parents on her website.
Mike Winger’s Expose on Shawn Bolz & Bethel Church: The Skeletons in Bethel’s Closet Are Now Going to Speak
Televangelists: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

Call to Action:
How are you preparing your children to discern truth in a world full of spiritual counterfeits? What honest conversations could you start this week—even in the face of heartbreak—to root their faith in Jesus, not fallen heroes?

Tune in next week as Catherine and Clifton Payne Jr. dig deeper into what the Bible really teaches about tithing and giving—setting your family free from confusion and manipulation.

When spiritual heroes fall, what happens to our faith&mdash;and that of our children? Financial manipulation and abuse within the church can leave deep wounds, shaking the foundation of trust and faith for entire families.
In this powerful episode of Christian Parent/Crazy World, host Catherine tackles one of the most urgent and painful issues affecting Christian families today: how to respond when trusted church leaders become charlatans, using their position for financial&mdash;or even sexual&mdash;exploitation. With real-life stories, audio clips, and biblical insight, this episode equips parents to guide their children through disappointment without abandoning the truth of the Gospel.
Joining Catherine is featured guest Clifton Payne Jr., pastor, writer, Hebrew University scholar, and author of What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It&rsquo;s Different Than You Think. Having left the faith for fourteen years after witnessing financial abuse firsthand, Clifton Payne Jr. brings both scholarly expertise and personal experience to this heart-wrenching discussion.
What You&rsquo;ll Discover in This Episode:
<ul>
<li>Financial Abuse&mdash;A Widespread Scandal: Hear stories of pastors manipulating the vulnerable, including Clifton Payne Jr.&rsquo;s grandmother and infamous televangelists promising &ldquo;seed money&rdquo; blessings for thousand-dollar gifts.</li>
<li>Charlatans Across Denominations: It&rsquo;s not just one stream of Christianity; financial and sexual misconduct strike churches everywhere&mdash;from charismatic circles to mainline denominations to the Catholic church.</li>
<li>The Impact on Faith and Family: Discover why these betrayals don&rsquo;t just hurt individuals&mdash;they threaten the faith of the next generation. Catherine lays bare how hypocrisy often drives children and parents alike away from church and sometimes, from God.</li>
<li>Biblical Wisdom for Difficult Days: Get to the heart of the Bible&rsquo;s teachings on money, tithing, and generosity. Clifton Payne Jr. strips away manipulation, revealing how God&rsquo;s desire for our hearts is profoundly different from the &ldquo;prosperity gospel&rdquo; sales pitch.</li>
<li>Honest Conversations at Home: Learn how to talk with your children about church scandals&mdash;without letting cynicism win. Public harm requires public correction, and as Christian parents, we are called to shepherd our homes by telling the truth.</li>
</ul>
Why This Matters: This episode will challenge, grieve, and encourage you to see beyond the headlines and scandals. It&rsquo;s a reminder that our faith must be rooted in Christ, not in flawed messengers. When parents grapple honestly with church failures and model God-honoring generosity, they provide children with a foundation that lasts beyond any scandal.
Modern Application: Christian parents, are you prepared to shepherd your children through disappointment in the church? Are you modeling discernment, generosity, and faith that isn&rsquo;t shaken by human failure?
About the Guest: Clifton Payne Jr. is a pastor, writer, and biblical scholar with advanced study at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. His experiences with church financial abuse and long journey back to faith uniquely equip him to address manipulative money tactics and help families find biblical clarity in confusing times. His book, What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It&rsquo;s Different Than You Think, is available on Amazon and other major booksellers.
EPISODE LINKS:
<ul>
<li>Clifton Payne Jr.&rsquo;s Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Bible-About-Tithing-Giving/dp/B0DQFK89JC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27TKEKFSA3PWA&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vkjTxZKvpnEqJktsyZ3h1NOBYDKmjJzaXFJ2iiG8vKkYuj5QV2D_vXFD8jOSdxoHufcD_a9MaMHF8cUKi0xtLB4H-sVr_rsXx01qYpfMdaU.upG-s-bmI_0-YkGxsrzwzOMJSKfn-oW_4b6bFHjiqhk&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=What+the+Bible+Really+Says+about+Tithing+and+Giving&amp;nsdOptOutParam=true&amp;qid=1769901043&amp;sprefix=what+the+bible+really+says+about+tithing+and+giving%2Caps%2C141&amp;sr=8-1">What the Bible Really Says About Tithing and Giving: It&rsquo;s Different Than You Think</a></li>
<li>Subscribe to Catherine's resources for Christian parents on her <a href="https://catherinesegars.com/resources">website</a>.</li>
<li>Mike Winger&rsquo;s Expose on Shawn Bolz &amp; Bethel Church: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH05S53QlY0">The Skeletons in Bethel&rsquo;s Closet Are Now Going to Speak</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg">Televangelists: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver</a></li>
</ul>
Call to Action: How are you preparing your children to discern truth in a world full of spiritual counterfeits? What honest conversations could you start this week&mdash;even in the face of heartbreak&mdash;to root their faith in Jesus, not fallen heroes?
Tune in next week as Catherine and Clifton Payne Jr. dig deeper into what the Bible really teaches about tithing and giving&mdash;setting your family free from confusion and manipulation.

When Leaders Exploit the Flock: A Biblical Response to Scandals ( w/ Clifton Payne Jr.) - Ep. 175

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