Journey back to Glenoak with hosts and stars of 7th Heaven, Beverley Mitchell (Lucy Camden), David Gallagher (Simon Camden), and Mackenzie Rosman (Ruthie Camden) as they catch up to reminisce about their time on set, share behind-the-scenes stories, and discuss the show's impact on audiences worldwide. Tune in to hear about favorite episodes, memorable guest stars, and how the show tackled important social issues. Plus, we'll have special guests dropping by to share their own Camden family memories.
Whether you're a longtime fan or new to Glenoak, this reunion podcast promises to be a heartfelt journey filled with laughter, tears, and the enduring Camden family values that touched our hearts.
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That's when my mom started taking me out to like to go to auditions and like do little thing because she was just doing that with me.
It was just me and my mom.
It's so time Like when I think about all the time my mom and your mom spent driving us to auditions.
Oh my god.
I lived in the car literally, like lived in the car.
Don't you remembering seat again?
I would take That's where I would That was my like I slept, I did my homework, it was my dinner table, my breakfast table.
Like that's so I lived in the car.
I remember laying in the back seat and like looking up at the bridge, like the fifty nine Street bridge, like going over.
The bridge all the time auditioning in New York. Yeah, before it and then you moved here. Yeah, what made her decide to do that? Just your adorable.
My mom says that I was cute and she wanted to see me on TV. She was like, my baby's cute, and I'm going to put them on TV and that'd be cool.
And that was it. It was just like and then it just became like the thing we did, so we.
Save this for we got Oh you are actually starting, Oh.
Well, hey should we introduce ourselves.
We can do that later.
You don't want to introduce ourselves to them? I mean we could.
Are we just going to say our names and our heights?
Hi, I'm Beverly Mitchell and I am five one.
Let's do that way. Let's do it that way?
Really?
Yeah?
That was fun.
Oh my god, I forgot slating.
Let's do that slating. Don't make me do it.
Because then you also had to say how old you were. We're not going to do that.
Oh, I mean, I don't know about that.
It's easy to you know, if I forgot idea, you can always just be like, look, i'm twenty one.
See also should really watch my mouth google Yah?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright, let's start whatever that means. Who wants to go first? I'll go.
Right one, the just one. We have to split it, Okay, let's start.
Hey, everybody, welcome to catching up with the Camdens.
I'm Beverly Mitchell.
Hi, everybody, I'm and I am four eleven.
Oh, this is going great already. I am David Gallagher, yes, and I'm five to ten.
That was awkward.
Hey, everybody, this is catching up with the Camdens. I'm Beverly Mitchell and I'm.
David Gallagher and I'm David Gallagher. No trying to ruin it. It'll be funny.
Okay, fine, I feel like we're dealing with the mac of like when you were seven.
We're catching up. Okay, okay, all right, fine, it's great.
Is we can just keep using all of these How many times it took just to do an intro?
All right?
You guys thought you weren't going to edit.
Jared's like, oh Jesus, okay, ready, hey everyone, Oh no, I.
Swear we can do this.
Okay, hey everyone, this is catching up with the Camdens. I'm Beverly Mitchell, I'm.
David Gallagher, I'm Bekezie Rosman.
And we are so excited to be here with you guys, to share some of our favorite memories and to catch up because it's been a while.
We're excited to embarrass each other as well.
I mean, oh boy, oh god, there's so much now.
I'm going for the low hanging fruit first.
I can only imagine you guys are pretty safe, My memories pretty shoddy.
Well, I know it's.
Crazy because like we have known each other for so long.
Yeah and well yeah, sure, most of our lives.
Well, Mac, you started when you were six, Well, it was so fun.
You were six, right, and then you were when we started, I was eleven, you.
Were eleven, and I was fifteen.
We were so fun together though, like it was the best time. And then I heard about like how other shows people don't have fun all the time.
Yeah, which never made much sense to me honestly what their problem was.
It was great.
It is kind of crazy because I think we it was our normal, so like we just I remember just the environment at work was like we truly were like family from the get go, even with like a crew and everyone, Like, we had so much fun that like when our guest stars came on, they were always like shocked, being like you guys like each other, like we were.
Also kids on a kid show.
So like, so our perspective of it being fun and exciting and looking forward to it all the time was so unbothered by adulthood, you.
Know what I mean.
Whereas I think that's kind of where the others because I mean we've all been on other side that you are not since being a child, and it has not been the same experience, you know. So and also because there were so many of us, Like, that's part of why we look back on it so fondly. And we had such a good time. It was never boring because it was always you know, and.
There were like one hundred aunts and uncles to hang out with too. Yeah, it was a nice crew.
And what also is crazy is so many times a lot of shows had a lot of animosity and competition, like there was no nothing.
I mean I was in a different age range too, so it wasn't like we were auditioning for the same roles. And I was like, I wanted that Briden, you got it.
I mean, Jesse and I were close to an age but she was. Remember I was, I'm older than Jesse, and she played my.
Older sister right because she's tall.
Because she's tall.
Yeah, and I also still look like a child, but it's fine, I'm not.
But yeah, I think.
It's crazy adding some free radical damage to your life.
You heard too much.
I just also remember, like it was so fun with all of us, like and just being like in this very exciting, very crazy time when we were the show that like no one thought was going to do well, Like no one believed in us.
No, I don't think I think I like even us, But for the I just remember being on set through the first season and stuff.
No, I'm being like, well, it was fun. Bye bye you guys, see you. You know, well let's keep in touch, you know.
Like No, I remember nobody ever thought we were going to get picked up, like oh, we even after years when we were really popular and doing well, we still thought we were like.
Well, that's it, just waiting to get asked.
Yeah, we just thought it was over like every year. And I remember that was like a running joke at a certain point.
I know it was kind of like season eleven when we finally said, is this really good?
Bute? Because how many times have we said goodbye before?
I had to saying goodbye the year before? Yes, was that the r V one? Was that the tenth season or the eleventh one?
So you guys, I don't from an r V. I don't remember that.
Also, was I there for that? If I was there.
I think we adopted some other kids and put them in the r V with us.
I remember, yeah, a.
Few of us spout out early.
Yeah, I rode that train until it crashed.
I don't remember like when we got I mean I remember that I had theories about how television worked at the time, and that like there had to be little people inside the box, and my.
Living we are those little people.
Yeah, and then I was except for your and I still you know, even after being in TV. I'm not sure I made the connection that I was on TV.
No, I did, Okay, but I need to school you on what that's like, what are you doing?
I'm fixing my name?
Here's any memory board? Isn't that what that's called? In the middle of that would be.
Max memory board?
Isn't that what this is?
It is? Yeah, I was confirming.
Okay, So like and I think also one I just wanted to bring up, like how we've all gotten here today because I think this has been a long time coming and we finally like made it happen.
You You, you did this, This is you. This is all for you, BEV.
You did you did all of this because it's well for.
Us, it's all.
Because of you.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I guess I do have to say I have a lot of pride in that I have tried the best I could to stay in touch with everybody through all of the years.
At some point, like even though sometimes there's been distance.
What's great though, I also feel is magical about us is that when we all come back together, it's like no time has been lost exactly.
That's true.
Yeah, that's yeah.
I mean, but that's how it is with family, That's how it should be with family. And I feel like we're like an extended family. We've always been like that. We've always thought of each other and treated each.
Other that way.
Absolutely, absolutely, And I think also that's what would mean so much to our fans too, and what is so fun to be able to share with them.
Is like that is our truth.
Like our truth is we had amazing fond memories of our experience together, and we experienced a lot of life together.
We learned a lot about different things, right, Yeah.
And then the bonds still exist and are still strong.
Absolutely, it is funny. And I really noticed that, like when we all came together at nineties Con, because that had been probably the longest stretch between seeing one another, yep, And it just felt so.
Comfortable so quickly, yeah, instantly.
Yeah, which was really which was a relief.
Yeah, it was.
I think everybody was a little nervous. I had absolute confidence that we were going to be magical and wonderful and everything was going to be just fine, but it was.
Laughing. I don't know, because you're just so it's going to be just fine. You're bubbly and per and I'm impressed. But I mean, yeah, I'm laughing at you.
I mean, you are laughing at me. But it's okay.
I'll accept it. I don't think of it as I know it's with love.
Of course, as with love, beb your confidence just you know, permeates into all of the.
But you know, but you know, what was really cool and I thought was so special about nineties Con two was seeing how after all of these years, our fans are still like so attached.
It was, dude, Like, my eyes welled up with tears meeting some of these people.
Yeah, I mean, it was just.
Really neat to feel like you were important in someone's life. And you know, I think the best feeling in the world is when you're lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to be there for someone. But because of this show and hearing about them, we realized how how much more of an impact we've been able to have on other people like that, Like when we ran to that girl outside on the sidewalk and She's like, you made me feel comfortable being the only like browner person in a family of really white people. I was like, oh my god, where was I really didn't hear that. That wasn't David, and I went back to go get the thing. That's not what I would have thought of, So we went on none of it.
Of sevenths For context, though, was.
Like on the bottom of my IMDb thing, there were all of the message boards were like, is Ruthie adopted Ruthie's from Puerto Rico?
That was a long standing thing with you because I remember that that like that you were always like in question as like looking slightly different than the rest of the family.
Sir Michael Christopher Michael Chris is that his name? But his character I don't remember his character.
Yeah, there was that, but but for context, we're in nineties con This girl was so sweet.
I melted.
Mackenzie brings to we all go to eat us our first meal together at this day. We were all catching up because this is like I brought something for you, and she pulls out this magazine with me on the cover, and I look like a serial killer. I have this like I have this like broody, I don't know what goes going through my head. It was very Zoolander and broody and embarrassing, and I and I look very intense.
I have another copy. I only gave you one, you know.
I put it down and then we left.
We get back to the hotel and I realized I left it at the place, and I was just like, I can't leave this thing in the wild somewhere, like, we have.
To go back and get it.
Because I don't want this thing to I wanted to fall into the wrong hands. So we went back to get it, and that's where we ran into that girl who stopped you.
But yeah, it was just me and Mac. We were like went on that.
I remember, that's when I went to take a nap.
She Yeah, it was so nice to meet and I think it was also it's incredible to hear stories like I mean, remember there were fans that came from.
Joan who came from Fred. Oh my god. Yeah, I have a little note that he gave me and it's still like it's just beautiful handwriting, by.
The way, but yeah, he was he was nervous about expressing himself in English, so he had written out.
A nice note. Of course.
Oh my god.
Yeah, it was very sweet.
It's so incredible just also because you know, you think of the people that we've like hit here in the US, and then you also realize that so many people from other countries also learned English by watching our show as well, and like how it's translated across the world has always been impressive. And also it's crazy too because looking back at some of these episodes, like it's you're living reliving like your most embarrassing possible moments for the entire Like, yeah, that's an understatement. I mean there's some things where like I really thought were.
Like, well, your pilot story was, oh.
Getting my period, and yeah, it was.
The pilot episode was all about like Lucy wanted to get her period because that's normal, I don't know, and I remember also the most awful I mean, it is normal to be excited about it, to get your period. Oh, I mean I guess, so, yeah, I mean, but what's crazy about it? In that pilot, I hadn't gotten my period, so I didn't even know what I was like trying to be excited about.
Yeah, that's a theme on the show that, like there were many things that our characters would have to deal with, but we as actors, as children, had not dealt with yet.
Like I learned about the Holocaust because when we hadn't did an episode about it.
Yeah, that was a big that was my episode.
I had to dive into that and learn about a lot of stuff when we did that.
I remember that was very intense.
I mean there's also we learned about weed on the show from Catherine and Berry.
I learned about weed in college.
Okay, that's a whole.
I learned about me when I should have been in college.
Speaking of a detail.
Us right, and we'll be right back.
I took community college classes of like completely unrelated subjects like chemistry and sewing.
I went to chemistry and sewing.
Yeah, just like random things. I was interested.
In subjects you needed class.
I wasn't really pursuing a degree, but just just credits, random knowledge, get some credits. Yeah. I enjoyed it. Santamonica is great.
I mean at the end of the day. That's why I bowed out early. It was because I had gotten into too Yes, through that time, I remember trying to, you know, trying to work it out so that I could stay on the show.
And that's why they did that.
Episode where it was like the seventh Heaven recap episode where I like narrated this slide show recap.
Do you guys remember that.
I don't remember.
There's an episode where, and I swear it's true, I remember this.
I'm not making it up.
Where I narrated like the recap of our family's life because they decided to write that Simon was also going to go to film school. Oh, because that's what I was doing.
There was a lot of mirroring.
Yeah, and so I did that and they'd written me off and then but then I ended up coming back anyway because trying to work out the schedule that didn't work initially ended up working out okay in the end, and so then I was kind of like back and then I had then I was gone again, and I ended up not being there in the very end, which is why I think on your year board over there.
I am missing.
Yeah, you did not sign it, but that's because sign it.
It's because it says that it's it's from seven, and that was the year I graduated with So there's definitely a year that I was not there.
Well, yeah, because that's when the show ended.
But isn't that the reason that a few of us are, Like Jesse went to college and that was kind of when she Yeah.
I went to Loyola, but I was still working on the show show at the same time, so I would go, I did my mornings at school, and then I would come to work.
How did you work that out with them?
Because I tried to work that out with them, and then for a while it did work out, but it was tough to get The.
Reason why they didn't do it with you is because it wasn't so successful with me, and so they're like, well, it didn't work with Bev, so but I think also I was even when I was here, it was so hard because I was trying to be a college student trying to get my classes in, and then I was also trying to be at work full.
Time doing all of that. And I lived in.
The dorms because I like wrote to Loyal and I said, I never get treated like a normal kid.
I really want to live in the dorms and feel like a truth.
And so I lived in the dorms and basically I became everyone's mother, and so everyone came to my dorm.
Room for snacks.
Everyone whenever there was any drama, Like I was the one to have to fix it.
You were the house buddy.
Yeah, so I had to take care of like an entire door filled with girls and then realized that this was like not great for trying to also work full time.
Yeah, it was much responsibility.
It was a lot.
You're like, this is like my last job, but it doesn't pay as well.
Is that when you moved here? That's when we lived here, which is you know crazy, this is I mean on a lesser degree. Because I wasn't of college age. Then I wanted to do the same thing. I wanted to be around people my own age and for once, you know, I had things to check off of my bliss, like get a boyfriend, you know, the kiss someone not on TV in front of a bunch of people. That was always the.
Most Your first kiss was on camera?
Yeah, my first kiss was on camera?
And was it all on our show? Yeah?
Well, but like I went to high school.
It was so awkward.
Oh.
I also remember, I think I actually believe that Brenda was worried about me with my first kiss on camera, and I.
Was great, pretty sure. I think I actually cast someone I knew because I was like, wasn't it Lance wasn't land, but like the awkward part was.
You kiss a lot of people.
I kissed a lot of people on the show.
It was weirdest, Like I think the weirdest part about it.
It was like I am like probably the brudest, like most boring, normal girl.
But on the show, you've been kissing the same guy for quite a while.
I mean ever since Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I don't know.
Maybe not no, But it's like I on the show, I was like so promiscuous, like I had so many, so many boyfriends, but like in real life, like I could not get a boyfriend if I tried.
Actually, Michael was my first boyfriend. I married him.
No, all of us took that trajectory though, like once once we became teenagers. Then the show was like, well it's time for you to date everybody.
So I don't know if I had too that said T bone on your lower back, because I got one.
Did you really?
Yeah? I had a giant tramp stamp that said t bone. It said t bone?
Who was T bone?
My boyfriend?
No, I mean Coulton Colton.
Yeah, he'd get me a ride to work and I'm ride home. Really yeah, because my mom didn't have to go in my God, I feel like its nearby, and it was enjoyable. He was fun.
Do you still talk to Colton No?
T bone, T bone, No, I don't.
I mean I remember I had Jimmy moo oh my name.
He was like your first and he had the haircut the very nineties, like DiCaprio cut like DiCaprio from Heah.
Jimmy mood. That's it.
That's such a weird You guys are saying Jimmy Moon, and my brain is trying to like.
Go through the well.
There was also I don't remember what his character name was, but I just remember the one guy had.
Very fresh Yeah, yeah he had Yeah, he had a very big lips. I was kissing him.
There was just a lot of lips.
Yeah.
I think that's where the show lost the plot is when they just started having us date everybody and it became a dating sim instead of we started.
You know. I will say something about the first kiss thing is that I feel like having to do it on in front of like one hundred people, But it's a partier job. It sort of takes all of the anxiety you might normally have had about it out of the window, like you got focuses it when you like it, there's no question if does he like me, does he not like me? Blah blah blah. So for that, in that sense, it's the opposite anxiety. Pucker up, let's got.
But do it again?
And I think it was really cool.
And what I'm excited to share on this podcast is to really like dive into such stories, like you know, about our first kisses.
I mean, that's like a whole episode.
All on its own, even more.
Than what we've just spoken about.
I mean also talking about, you know, our favorite behind the scene memories, and then also reliving some of these moments that I mean, have you guys watched the show?
I mean I didn't watch it a lot when we were doing it because I was like living it, yeah, and it was horrified, like how much worse my performance appeared than it felt. So it was really hard to watch. But I like watching it now because we're so little that it's sort of like watching home videos.
I haven't seen episodes.
I don't watch it regularly, but I have I'm like, oh gosh, look how little we were, And then I go in the other room.
I have not seen the show since probably we were making.
The show, so this will be fun to realize somebody.
Yeah, I showed my daughter the one episode with my stepsister who she's named after, and Grandpa, her grandpa is in that.
That is really actually it was really special and nice that you have that. Yea, for those reasons, that's cool.
It is really crazy how the show had so many aspects of our own personal lives integrated in very different ways, some good and some bad. But I think, you know, it's gonna be fun to kind of relive this with the fans and to share it here on catching up with Camden's and also just get to be with you guys and to get to kind of reconnect and go on this journey yet again. And also the fact that we're like a semi adults and have children of our own.
Yeah, I think we all qualify as adults.
I know.
I just I don't not even young adults anymore, not even young adults, no, just standard garden variety adults. A friend of mine tried to call. He was like, you're middle aged. Now, that's rude. Well no, it's fine, But I mean, technically, isn't that like half of what your life expected?
I don't know if there's like a hard line where that's true or not. I think it's I think it's perfect feeling. I think at some point you just know that you are now middle aged.
Yeah, we're gonna find our groove.
We're just or not. Either way, it should be fine. Don't worry about it.
And we'll be right back, all right.
So it had been a while before nineties cut. I think I missed the last get together because I had just moved to the East Coast. But David, did you go to that. I haven't seen you in like over a decade before.
Jesse's restaurant opening.
There were you there?
No? I didn't, I didn't. I don't think I was there for that.
Wait, Jesse's restaurant Something Cooks, the replace off of the kid friendly restaurant.
Yes, yes, yeah, I got there.
I don't remember David being there.
I was probably not. I don't seem to remember.
That in like a million years. I wasn't sure whether you were still alive.
Actually I'm alive. The last time we all got together where I was there was when we all went to dinner on Ventura.
Yes man, though right after I moved to Maryland to tell me that you had a daughter, and I remember that, I remember where I was standing.
I also remember you at Marmalade Cafe and Malibu when you came and had lunch with the kiddos and you were riding the motorcycle and I was terrified for your life because Mac rides motorcycles and I was never thought that that was a good idea.
I wrote it to that restaurant, Yeah, yeah, the one. Also Jesse's restaurant.
You wrote it there too.
Oh wow, how'd you valet the I guess you can valet a motor You don't, You don't.
You just finds parking right in front, put it right on the sidewalk.
You don't need things that I don't know. I know. And now here we are with five kids amongst us.
Yeah we all?
I got three.
Oh yeah, I was like, how do we get all the way to five? It?
Because it's Barry brings us up at eight and then eleven. Yeah, they our newer generation.
Yes? Are you the young ones?
Yes?
I know.
It is crazy just now being parents, Like it's still kind of a trip for me.
And it was really cool though, because Jesse.
And I I love it.
We're pregnant at.
The same time with our youngest, so we were actually experiencing that at the same time, which was actually.
The very inid of the livery room.
Actually, I mean, if my hand could reach to Montana from La because we were both.
We had COVID babies, so we were in the midst of COVID having children.
Oh I lucked out with Lily because it COVID kind of timed out where she started school right as that was ending, So it's so lucky. Yeah, it all kind of worked out well for us.
I knew that, like a lot of children who started school during COVID really had a hard time adjusting to it after, I mean understandably socially and things like that.
You know what, I think they're probably similar to how we were growing up.
On a set.
Yeah, I mean, you guys we all went to school, right like during the show, did we all do that?
Did you actually go to a high school?
Or I did, like probably fifty percent of the time homeschool, but then I would also do private schools. But I honestly thought, like when I went as a senior, because I needed to know that I could get along with people my own age, it was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. I thought that I would have well, sort of a difficult time, but it was definitely easy and everyone was nice.
Yeah, I always the whole time I was in a school.
Teenagers can be mean, so yeah, definitely it was a teenager I was. I was a nice teenager. No, it was.
It was crazy growing up and trying to juggle being an average teenager and what that life was like and trying to just understand what's going on with the social circles. That was more challenging than like trying to deal with your homework in the school.
I think the worst part was having to go to bed when it was still light out, because you got up at like four am and all your friends are playing outside and you're just like looking out the window.
I don't know, but I never had like a bedtime and forest on me, so I would be up really late and then I would just get up early and shower it off and go to work and it was fine, you know, like I was able to.
I was like seventeen, I still has a bedtime. I had to make sure that she was a well just.
Now it's self enforced. Yeah, Actually, last night I was like, do you think.
Bethst camera's here, she's.
Watching what time I get home?
I was actually worried about you.
I was like, I hope she got home okay and everything's fine and she was able to figure it out.
But I didn't.
I forgot to turn on the water heater, so I apologized for the cold shower. Yeah, but just making sure you're like fresh as a day.
I said I wasn't going to be high.
Means you did say that.
We needed you to be sharp this morning. Yeah, and awake.
I mean we did bring you from the East Coast all over the year, so I definitely need to keep you awake awake.
I mean you have had two this morning.
Yeah, I'm doing fine.
I'm doing just fine.
Do you think being on a show helped or hindered the awkward teenage years?
Like in school?
I think being on a show amplifies your awkward teenage years.
But I also feel like it puts it in a way that, like, I guess I felt like I lived it out on television so I didn't have to like really deal with it personally because it was just it's.
Just like you literally throw it all.
Like the first kiss thing. Yeah, you know.
I mean, it was awkward in the fact that you're doing it in front of a hundred like of your pseudo dads and moms that are watching and judging you, not judging you.
It's a straight They were so supportive myself.
It's weird to compare because you just like, I only grew up the one I only know the one way that I that I kind of lived through school and I was always working through all the years that I was in school. So it kind of does both things Like it amplifies Like in school, I was cooler than I ever would have been having.
Not been on TV.
But I was also made fun of a lot more than I ever would have been having not been on TV. And so like it did both things like it it amplified the best parts of school and the worst parts of school. The thing that I always appreciated about it, I guess looking back on it as an adult, I was kind of like a ghost in school, Like I would just no one ever knew when I'd be there. I would show up on a random day because I'd have whatever, I'd have a Thursday off this week, and so then I'd be at school that Thursday. The way that I did school work was that my teachers would have to like send work ahead for the following weeks so that I could kind of to keep pace with whatever they were doing in class, but it would never be exact because you know, I would do things in different days, and so I'd be at school and they'd usually be doing something that I already did.
So being at school was just kind.
Of like the social exercise for me, largely because I would go there and and not be kind of on pace with everybody on stuff.
I was crazy because you also went to my high school.
At the high school that I went to, I did, yeah, And so I was also I.
Think for one year they asked me not to come back though, are you serious? I wasn't following the well the homework orders, but it was mostly the dress code. Like I wore the wrong shoes all the.
Time, and so they were like they banished you on dress code. I feel like dress code is one of those things that a lot of people didn't respect to the fullest.
You know.
They was like black or white shoes only, so I wore black oaks. Apparently I wasn't okay.
They were like, don't ever come back with your fuzzy shoes.
I wonder how much extra work it was for the teachers to like send our packages of work.
It was definitely extra work for the teachers because because the relationship with the teachers was also in the same way that it was with the students. That amplified the good relationships you had with teachers who liked you, and it amplified the bad relationships you had with teachers who did not like you. So it was fun for me though socially at school though, to go in and like not be a part of the system I was. I just got to kind of float around that day and be friends with everybody, like I didn't fit anywhere in a click or have to be a part of a group like I could just Yeah, I just kind of floated on top and got to see everybody and kind of go where.
You were, like a tourist of the school.
Yeah, I just I just kind of once once or twice a month, I disappeared for a day, and you know, you never knew when I was going to be around.
You're still equally as elusive.
That's good, good, got it.
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