Catching up with the CamdensBev, David and Mack dive into their rewatch of 7th Heaven Season 1, Episode 3 "In the Blink of an Eye," to discuss Jimmy Moon, moon rocks, just how appetizing Eric's casserole was in real life, and the lost art of throwing pebbles at your crush's window!
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Are we doing. We're just gonna intro and go No, we always.
Have a cold open, so we always kind of like catch up about something.
Sometimes you kind of just makes it up, you know, spice it up or not out of It's fine.
You know what I love is Mac and I were talking about this last night is we were mentioning how what's really kind of what I was nervous about with the rewatch, but like I'm actually loving as I'm appreciating it, and I'm also like recognizing like the specialness of our relationships even more and our like true like family nature. You know. I felt like like while I was in it, while we were shooting it, like I was so busy, like trying to be like surprisingly like perfect. I was trying to be like everything that I thought I was supposed to be. And now I can actually like love and appreciate and like kind of like come back to it. I just like, you know, even just to smell like this very brother sister.
I think we're realizing the significance of the time that we spent together that was not even on camera too, and like the process more than just the job that we drove to and did and came home.
Yeah, it took like what twenty years.
Look with us in particular, we've spent the majority of our lives together, right, So that's I mean, that's that's all it is. You know, like we have that family type relationship because we've spent as much time with each other as we have with our own families.
I did fine realize it until we came back together really as much.
Yeah, I know.
And it's been fun because it's like the quirks and like the like silly little things.
And like, well, this is great.
What's great about this and what's different about this than the other time since the show has been off that we've got together is that like the few times we've gotten together after the show went off was like we'd go out to dinner and hang out for like an hour or two and eat and catch up for a minute. But all that is, you know, everyone knows like when you see an old friend you haven't seen it in a while and you catch a meal, like it's not you don't get back into the swing of things, whereas this we're like working together doing the pod and so we get to get back into the swing of hanging out all day together and doing something creative, you know, and constructive, and that's that's what we used to do every day together.
And I think we almost have more in common with each other now too than we did before, because we're all we all have our own families now and we're all, you know, the age difference between us is less significant than it was then generally.
I think that's the craziest thing, because I was even thinking today and I was like, realize that, you know, we're only three years difference, which I felt like when we were shooting was like I was so old immature.
I was like you were.
It was.
It was justified though, watching the early watching the first season, like you and I really were in that like little kid bucket, and you and Jess really were in that like preteen bucket, and we were all kind of in different story looked and Barry was, yeah, Barry looks like a twenty five year old cosplaying as.
A high school student for sure.
Along with all of his guest stars.
It's a little very girl friends. Which actually, speaking of which should we do the intro?
Sure?
Hey, everybody, in case you don't know what you clicked on, you're watching or listening to catching up with the Camdens.
I'm David Gallagher, I'm.
Beverly Mitchell, and I'm Mackenzie.
Rossman and uh and now we are going to continue our our rewatch session we've we've started up which has been a much requested thing for us to do, where we go through the early days of the show and watch some of the some of the episodes. We're going through the first season, and this is episode three.
Yeah, David, did you watch it?
I did. I watched it. I rewatched it.
I rewatched it. And you actually were more prepared than mack and I this morning.
Right, of course.
I mean I don't know about of course, but I'm always prepared. Well, not that we all clearly understand what an actual rewatch is.
Yeah, well, going through the rewatch not rewatching it kind of threw me for a loop. Sorry, I don't know why I was the only one who misinterpreted the instructions. I really couldn't, for the life of me figure out why you guys asked me to rewatch it before we'd get together to rewatch.
I thought we were going to rewatch it.
So it sounds like a re talk.
Yes, I mean I see now, the like the politics behind the rewatch why we can't do it live on the ash.
Yeah, it is kind of like.
A reactsh of the episode, but it's a reacting. Yeah, that's true, a react. We'd have to have live.
Lots of reactions.
Yeah, we used to be really good at those.
And they didn't call it. They didn't say like Lucy shocked. It was always just Lucy reacts.
Simon, who do you think reacted most, Like if you were to breaked on the script?
Do you think Eric reacts the most or I don't know. I think of reaction reacted.
A lot though, But that was never that was never scripted.
That was just my uh just creative national Well, I think it's just it's just shorthand, right, Like the writers are are pumping these scripts out, and so no matter what the react, no matter what the appropriate reaction is, they would just say this person reacts, that person reacts because they wanted to get there their emotional state.
That was a call out for like close ups and editing. Yeah, it was like it wasn't necessary but just good old fashioned TV shorthand.
Yeah, But honestly, they were really so great at pumping them out because unlike a lot of shows that I've heard of we you know, the script we got was the script we shot, Yeah, and there were no last minute edits, and nothing was still being written while we were filming it.
Basically very rarely season we had a few different colors. But I mean I've I've found all my old scripts and they're blue.
True. I remember that when.
The revisions would come, different colors green, So like our first season did have colors in the script, but like those but like season eleven, they're blue.
Do you remember when we got to charity, they might they may have given us the revision, and I just didn't.
I was gonna say, like that might just also be the fact that we would get the revisions and be like cool because the small Sides, which the small Sides was a version of the script that's this big that you could stick in your pocket. And what you guys don't know or maybe do know, is that whenever you watch the show, those small sides are in everyone's pocket or all have them on.
Us little.
Always in the kitchen and the drawer.
Yeah, you know what's funny.
When we were shooting later in the show, I remember liked kind of like the gum but like you would if you looked in some weird nook in the set, somewhere in a drawer or like on the side, you would find like dusty old small sides from like seasons ago, and it was like finding an old tone.
It was always to try to figure out whose it was. Yeah, sides they were. But the revisions are the different colors are just are different revisions. So like your your script always started off with blue.
Script was always blue, when you then.
Came like pink, yellow, golden rod. Yeah, every yeah, there was always three.
They were named colors that would come out in order, so that once you you would have to take the pins out of your script and then replace the pages that were rewritten with the new colors, and so by the end of shooting the episode you would have this kind of rainbow script, but you'd be able to tell which page was revised in which or order. Basically of her visions through the color system. So the colors were.
Always of course, as I would. I loved getting my script all like dialed in like I loved like as soon as the revisions came in, like my script was like perfect. I don't think Jesse, I you remember.
When we got those I bet she does do you still have? So Stephen, when you're for a Christmas present, gave us all blinders, like black binder script binders with their names on them. That's one thing that I do still have. Actually that's in my living room. Okay, but like the leather bound three ring binder with their names on it.
Got to check the vault the probably did we get back into this rehash and dive into episode three, which I believe is called in the Blink of an Eye? I don't know. Why. Why don't we rehash it and figure out to find out? Let's figure it out? Okay, So how it starts, as many things do, is breakfast at the table in the kitchen. Yep, having breakfast.
We didn't eat breath.
We didn't eat breakfast a lot. No, this was we never had birthdays either, No, we did. I think I think we're gonna have to. I think there is a birthday at some point.
There's a few.
It wasn't like a regular seasonal thing that we did. But they'd sprinkled.
Yeah.
If I imagine those seven kids celebrating all those but it would have been like the whole show would have been like Birthday seven.
I don't know I.
Think part of the reason why you you you see these scenes like breakfast, the breakfast table in the kitchen that that don't come up as often later on is because they're they're shopping, right, Like, they're shopping all these different family moments to see which ones are the most useful for them, and then things like the dinner table kind of one for our like whole family scenes, and stuff like our living room scenes, like the living room foyer where the foyer kind of comes into the living room.
That threshold was like a very active spot in the house gathering.
Yeah, So things were constantly and sometimes they do this thing which I always thought was actually clever and cool. We would have a scene going on in the living room and then someone would come to the door and you'd have a side scene going on in the front, and then the two scenes would like merge.
Yeah, And so they when they.
Would do stuff like that, I don't know, I've always thought that was like a cool, clever use of the space, you know, the set space we had.
Yeah. But so in that first scene where we come in at Simon, I.
Get my Cereal Box prize, which Simon, for some reason, as smart as he is, is unaware that all the cereal boxes have a prize in them, and and so it's not a particularly special event, but I feel special about it, and that's what matters. And so I get my moon rocks out of the out of the cereal box, and I'm convinced that it must be lucky that I got the moon rocks, because then in a in a clever little Simon way, you know, I'm told like, hey, all the cereal boxes have prizes in them, and I'm like, yeah, but it ended up in my bowl.
So it's true. The odds of.
You know, the whole family not getting it that I got it made it special and lucky. And so that kicks off Simon's little gag for the episode, which.
Is which is cool.
And then of course I think Lucy is now obviously boy crazy at this point, so she's very excited about.
Because now she's you know, she's a date.
You guys are not only boy crazy, you're very openly boy crazy. You're very very very loud and proud about your boy craziness and how you must be kissed immediately and all the time.
Exactly you know what, you know what I don't think I recognized what this setup of these like, it's very clear to me now, like now how Lucy ended up being how Lucy was, because it was clearly set up in the first few episodes. And here I was like, I'm like, why is Lucy always kissing people? I'm like, oh, well, because we set her up as like a crazy, hormonal, very harm she is a very hormonal tea. Yes. And we're all talking about Grandma and Grandpa coming into town because all of the younger Camden kids are still unaware that Grandma is.
Only Matt knows at this point, right, right, and they come with gifts as grandparents.
Well, we haven't gotten there yet. We haven't gotten there yet. I know that they're supposed to come. Oh oh, big, big moment for you too.
Yeah, you're right.
And obviously another big lasting impact kind of thing is that Simon gets his bunk bed dream. They set up that Simon's been pushing for bunk beds for a long time, and then I'm really excited until I find out that my my bunk mate is going to be Ruth and not I don't know, Matt, like you, I thought maybe would decide to bunk with me at the young age of twenty five sixteen. So then I'm like, my my dream becomes a nightmare. I don't know how that, you know, like I get what I want, but not the way I want, and it's it's you know, it's a gift and a curse. And then we immediately as we go into the room, the bunk beds are there, say we skip the set up in the whole the actually the building.
Yeah, really.
Like buying the bunk beds, dragging them up the stairs, pulling out the allen keys, setting the damn thing up, like all this stuff that would actually happen and take up most.
Of the day already did it because exactly Annie.
Did it when no one was looking. While we were eating breakfast. Annie was putting together.
Them up the stairs, because Annie is a boss. That's right, I mean, welcome to television. Yeah, things just happen.
Then what happens?
Yeah, and the news that Grandma and Grandpa.
Are actually not going to come they're supposed to come in, that's right. And then they canceled.
They canceled suspiciously and and without reason or warning, right.
Which is very distressing to Annie because now she's very worried about why. Eric suggests that she should just fly to Arizona.
Yeah, like you do, Yeah, like you do decide during breakfast to go to Arizona for the afternoon.
I mean as you could in California.
Yeah, especially there's so many great area.
This was still the era where we weren't like Californian though, Like in the beginning, wasn't it that we were like not that we were specifically trying not to be California, but we were. It wasn't stated at any time that we were a California.
Until they saw all the palm trees.
It eventually became kind of suburban California.
So if they do at one point call out Third Street, I guess you have Third Street and everything. I know. I just as I said it. I just realized that was a dumb statement, strap that there's a Third Street in every single town in all of America. So I'm okay, yeah, let's move on. What happens next? Should we take a break, Yeah, let's take a break. We'll we'll be right back.
Be back.
I got my coffee.
You guys already you have yours?
Yeah, yours the whole time, drink yours, drank mine?
Okay, all right, Well, now this is my second coffee. This is that cold brew that brewed in the car all day yesterday what she left in the car.
So I left in the car all day and then she went to the fridge this morning and was like, where is my cold brew? And then when I went out for coffee, I found it.
We'll find out if it actually happened.
So you went and got the cold coffee. You're calling it cold brew.
Because it's in the car, and you're like, and that's your copy too.
Okay, let's right, circle back every ready, circle places, circling back, circle back, we're coming back. We're into episode three and we are chatting about beds. Jared told us, Oh yeah, okay, so we got bunk beds.
We set them up, and Simon's mad. I can't believe it.
Well because Ruthie also starts, so well, I move all of my stuff in and I basically take over the entire You.
Start moving your stuff is the cutest thing ever, by the way you this. You come in with like some dolls and and you're and you're starting to set your dolls up and it's just it's perfect for your And I'm like mortified, right that you're like moving in all your your army of dolls.
Into the room, and it's so cute. It's it is adorable.
Isn't like you line them up? I think you have a line where you send all the eyeballs.
Yeah, they're staring at me or something, and you're like, they can't help it. It's really cute.
It was because I think at one point you even say, like put a in the closet, and you say.
I think that they would breathe a little to breathe in there.
And then I mentioned who he also, this is who he's first appearance, and apparently who he helps unload luggage at the airport sometimes, so he's not always around.
I forgot about who your imaginary friend.
So that the weirdest reference so far on the show, I think easily is adult teenagers are arguing about.
Who goes with Wait, let's be clear on which teenagers you're talking about. You're talking about Mary, the ones.
The ones who are actually adults. I was clear.
I was perfectly clear the adult teenagers.
O that one went right.
Over and her adult teenager boyfriend are arguing about if they're going to go to see a movie or something, and and the movie that comes up, which is the nineties gem if you're not old to notice or remember, is it's so awkward and strange that like that's the choice. I think given the context of the show, is it though it's it's kind of weird. I think given the.
Well there's we mentioned it a lot throughout the whole episode, a lot of emphasis.
I was just I just when I saw it, I was like dumbfounded. I was like, why did they just shout out strip tease?
It could have been maybe, yeah.
It could have been any movie.
Well, the whole point was it was R and it was racy.
It was like, but given the deal they made R rated movies throughout these very episodes, the fact that the name drop is stripped teas is just like a little like, ugh, it's weird.
No, wait, Mary's what if Matt's supposed to be sixteen, Mary is supposed to be fifteen?
Teen?
Right, going to see strip tees right on a date?
Right, Matt, Matt, Matt sixteen, Matt's sixteen, and Mary and Matt's friend is also say sixteen, Mary is fourteen?
Right? Okay, yeah, and so they're like we go see strip teas.
He's like already saw it doesn't make sense. But because Matt is also a soft as a junior, not a sophomore, I'm just saying that the mask doesn't quite work out.
Maybe magic yeah, sure, yeah, I mean I okay, they're not six They're clearly not sixteen.
But right, And then so after this whole Strip Teas situation, then we skipped to I think I have an answer.
To why that was what I expected to be a huge hit based on the release date is when the scripts were written. So they're like, well, we need a movie, so they put that in and by the.
Time Strip Strip Teas was was the Demi Moore strip movie.
It was the Demi Moore lad film.
I think they were overshooting how much they thought teenage high school boys would come out.
To the theater.
I mean, were we I wonder if we were part of their promotional camping.
Maybe maybe there was some ad dollars.
Yeah, I don't know, it's it was. It seemed like a very odd choice to me.
So in the next scene, we have Lucy is going to have a date with Jimmy Moon and Eric has intentions on probably or Lucy's concerned about Eric ruining the date because obviously he has a reputation for doing so.
He has a history of ruining dates right and rebels in it.
Like, I mean that like most would, I mean, I would imagine.
I mean, yeah, it's one of those stereotypical dad things that like, haha, I'm gonna my daughter's date.
I guess, well, I mean, I don't think he's eager to have Lucy be dating so fair.
But allows it so he could.
Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying.
I guess, you know, I don't know, it's just it's I think it's one of those it's a stereotypical dad thing that seems silly. Well, and I think it's like when you have a daughter and everyone's like, you're going to be in trouble and I'm like her.
You know, like I haven't heard it before.
Yeah, it just says it's one of those things that everyone like brags about but doesn't seem like bragworthy.
Yeah, you know, well we have so. And I think also at this point, Lucy thinks that she's got it onder control because Annie's supposed to help her out. But everything changes with Annie having to go to Arizona and now Dad is back in the mix. Which is a no bueno.
That's right, and that Annie going to Arizona flip flops the plan.
Flip flops everything. I mean, Annie going to Arizona.
Is like is the monkey wrench?
Yeah? Because also that also means that we're also going to have to eat Dad's food, and Ruthy is clearly spoken about her opinion of said food.
Yeah.
Yeah, Ruthy's a foodie from a very young age.
Realize that, and.
Then I actually think that pays off really well though the Dad's bad food joke I think has a great payoff.
Okay comes next. Oh yeah, because Lucy does what younger sisters absolutely do, is she threatens because she wants Mary to help like keep Dad away from Jimmy Moon and her. And when Mary says no because she's got a date with Jeff, Lucy's going to be the narc and tell everyone that she's going to see an R rated movie strip.
There's actually some really weird and complicated like politicking between you and.
Mary in this episode, Like you guys are like.
Frenemies the whole time, like you're asking each other for support and help on your date schemes, but then you also like backstab each other like multiple times. Pretty typical with the knife behind the back thing that is like really intense between you guys early on.
Yeah, I mean I think that was like the that.
Was it's the goal.
It's the goal of it description of our relationship throughout the entire show.
Sure, I guess it sets it up clearly.
Yeah.
Yeah, it clearly sets you guys up to be like that. So, but I was struck by how like ruthless it is, you know, like you guys like.
That is girls, teenage girls.
It is very funny and c yeah, and disturbing.
After Lucy threatens to like tell on Mary about the date, like you just said, like actually, then Mary does the good thing and breaks off the date with Jeff so that she could be the good sister.
Right, which kind of backfires on her, right. He gets upset about it.
Oh yeah, he does get upset and acts like, by the way, acts kind of like a journy because she's like trying to like stand up for a sister and.
He's like, well, you should have told me sooner.
Yeah, definitely, he does act like a jerk, but it's not long lived because then he he becomes.
Like which is so seventh Heaven.
I guess, yeah, he just.
He wants to go to the party, right, Yeah, he.
Wants to go to the party, and he's being a jerk about it. But then as the episode progresses, he becomes.
Like really needy and sad boy about it.
Yeah, so it's like and he already saw strip tease and he.
Already saw some strip teas twice, so you know it's not going to go for a third time. So after that, then we get a little vignette of Eric unpacking groceries, totally normal thing for dad to do. He he sticks chips up in a dish cabinet. I don't know, it's kind of strange that where things end up going. But then he realizes something and runs to the car to find.
For got something.
Ruthie sitting in the car, knowingly that she was gonna be left in car.
It's a good thing we haven't established that it's California yet.
You know.
My biggest fear is like like that, like you can't even leave a kid.
Like I watched that episode and I was like, oh my god, what if I ever? What if what if it happens to me? If it happened to Eric, it could happen to me, you know, like gosh, oh.
My gosh, but it's like so scary. I don't know, but I love that You're like, mom never does this.
It's very cute.
But there isn't a bead of sweat on my forehead either, so it must have been.
No, they weren't trying to make it like life threatening. It was just supposed to be a cute joke.
It was, but don't leave kids in the car.
It sent my brain into a tailspin after I saw that.
That's just.
Absolutely yeah, And it's just supposed to set up that Eric as the as the pastor patriarch.
Of the family, is not the who runs the household, right.
Yeah, he's definitely not the multitasker.
Yeah.
I just I really like Ruthy's outfit.
In this without Annie that falls apart a little bit. That's the the gag.
Yeahs yet, No, I mean one kid, so I can't imagine leaving her in the car, Like, like, I only got one kid to worry. But I don't know how if you had more kids, it'd be you'd be more likely to do it either.
I don't know.
It seems well, luckily the kid we I do have to say. And it sounds so silly, but I definitely count.
How many times do you forget?
I had to exit the house at least four times when I'm like taking my kids somewhere, I'm like run, you know, back and forth, back and forth. Oh it's not the kid, I just forget everything else basically.
Oh yeah, I mean that's but it's also because so much.
But that's because all your other stuff doesn't follow you around all day. Like my kid follows me around and I couldn't leave her anywhere if I tried.
You know, and while we fill up on coffee, you're going to fill up on some ads.
See ya.
Well, I mean I think I'm constantly chasing you around trying to give you your stuff, like your wallet or your ATM card or your hat, be like mac, put this all in the same space.
Yeah, and both both of those things were individually misplaced. In the week before coming here, I found I found my ATM card like a couple hours before in a bag of stuff that I had like taken out of the car.
The wallet was a separate fine.
Also, if so, here's it. We're just gonna go on a tangent.
But you okay, we're after this tangible.
I'm doing it.
You lose stuff all the time, So when you lose stuff, is it just for like, oh you lose things for a few minutes or whatever. Because I'm the kind of person who never loses my things. I always put my things in the same place. But when I do lose something, I'm it's hopelessly lost. For like, it ruins the whole day. I can't find it all day long, Like I never lose something and then like, oh it's so right here, you know what I mean.
But I lose something, I'm like.
I lose things like multiple times a day, like like phones is that.
But quick though?
Right?
Quick recovery?
Yeah, it depends on how I lose it until I need it again and then I bothered to look for it.
Actually, I just adapt or adapt? Can I can I use Can I use my phone to pay for something? All right?
Well, I don't need to find my ATM card until I go to a place where I think I maybe can't do that.
But I do have to say. There was one time I was out with mac and she was like paid with cash and I was like, oh, wow, you why you pay with cash? And She's like well, I have to because I don't know where my ATM card is or my credit card, so I always have to have cash, so that way, and I was like what and then but then you found it. Here's what I do have to say, though. I'm so proud of her is because she's prepared for.
Like for the event, but she loses her her carreer yea, yeah, I don't know's.
I love that love that I if I lose enough, I'm crude, you know.
I'm used to like acting on the backup plan and the backup backup plan.
I live like this.
All right, all right, we got off and we are coming back. We are back to episode three.
Do you lose your stuff off?
Okay, So next we actually go back to school and we see Mary's coming to the car and he is making out like he's got hot and heavy with We're having this very interesting waitress.
It's one adult teenager making out with another adult teenager. It's very strange to me because none of them look like they've seen a high school in a decade.
But I don't know. And it's not our show. It's not like a thing.
It's not a knock against our show, because all shows back then, like they would always. I remember as an actor being frustrated when when I was doing team with more teenage stuff and trying to get other stuff, knowing that those jobs were going to people in the twenties and sometimes as old as thirty playing the part.
That was my age.
Yeah, and had that same thing then.
When I was in my twenties going Haha, now I'm going to get all of those high school like sexy, cool roles and stuff. And then they were like the industry decided then and there that they were going to cast age appropriate from now on.
That's the same thing I.
Mean like, but I also feel like the fact that you know, actual high school kids watching what's supposed to look like high school kids on TV that actually look older really sort of just encouraged real high school kids to try to look older than they were because they wanted to look like the high school kids on TV who were actually, you know, in their twenties. So it's sort of like kind of I think pushed a generation of kids to both dress and act and look older than they actually were, because you know, a lot of time you're modeling things after people that you see on TV. And I would try to go out for roles that were my age, and they're like, no, you.
Look too young.
You look too young, you're too young. Yeah, I know.
And it was also beyond that because I didn't actually really look sixteen quite when I was being short didn't help.
But no, I guess that's but it's also typical for actors to look a few years younger than they are. It's it's part of the But if your industry's kind of youth biased, you're you.
Know, like say you're a sixteen year old and you're watching and you think that, like, you know, Matt and Matt's girlfriend are sixteen, You're like, man, what's wrong with me?
Like, I don't, you know?
Can we just talk to make like her makeout session and her like blowing the kiss and I love there's very like Jesse like totally like pushes her head back to get out of the way of imaginary kiss that is going across the car.
Who framed Roger Rabbit? There's an old one. That's a good movie.
Oh my god. Yeah.
So then then we come back into where Ruthie has set all of her dolls up in her new room that she shares with Simon and she's stoked about.
And then they have a conversation.
I think about who gets the top bunk, and we know Simon wants it, and Ruthie can't sleep up there because who who?
Why? Yeah, it has something to do with Hue, right, And they have this cute little tea part.
Who he can't get up there or something like that.
Well who he has to deliver luggage at the airport sometimes he used to unload it.
He has he has a day jobs, a.
Day job, a couple of jobs.
Proud of WHOI for having a job who he.
Was on for many years. He really should have gotten like he was like our credits.
My brain goes in so many weird directions to joke about.
That's a really cute scene.
Know it is cute. It's it's at the end of the day.
It's just you being like super cute and moving in your army of stuff. He's and having all of your reasons why your imaginary friend can and can't do things, And it's adorable. And Simon's just annoyed by its good.
Little brother for even sitting down to have a tea party with her and putting up with it in the first place.
To you guys, although you sort of want something from her. Yeah, but it was cute.
But our brotherly sisterly dynamic, with the exception of these two murderous sisters.
Was all pretty sweet, pretty sweet and like solid.
It was way we were nicer to each other. You guys were my brother and I.
So then Matt comes in uh to talk to uh Ruthie and Simon, and.
He gives you some advice and to manipulate.
He gives me advice and says that like, do you remember my rule of time or something along those lines, which is about like your age determines up to what time in the day. You have to take the responsibility of whatever is going on with the brothers and sisters with yours.
So and that's when we said, I'm like, ha ha, yes, but and I was just questioning that because the episode prior to that, I'm learning my ABC is still right.
So you're easily manipulated?
Is that because you're you're five and you have to do everything that Simon said?
Then fortunately, you know Mary later on, Mary's like, you know, tell them.
It's a cute little brotherly sister league gag that.
I'm glad they didn't try to drag out too long because it backfires pretty quickly.
But yes, last like Simon tries it once.
It's a few scenes and then it goes Yeah.
It is cute though, because you're like okay, yeah, which is cute.
It really worked.
Yeah, it was a very sweet set.
Well, it sells because you. It sells because because you're so cute and you just go okay, and it just in that moment I get my victory and and you yes, and then and then we have a weird like Asian sound of hecked over or bows.
I don't know. I don't know if that's cool anymore. I mean, clearly it's not cool anymore.
We don't know what his lips spark.
Oh, yes, this is when Lucy and Mary have a moment and Lucy reveals that her hopes and dreams of her date with Jimmy Moon will end in a kiss because his lips my lips passion sparks Like oh, it's just she's very dramatic.
I don't know why Lucy become like a romance novelist.
Yeah, she never should have been a reverend.
She basically or minister pretty saucy as a character.
She is hormonal, that child.
There was a big pause between that was.
An aggressive separation of.
Wait, what did I say something? Yeah? No, I didn't even realize.
I said, you saw it?
Oh, I said, oh, I don't even know. Oh, just circling back and insert foot in mouth one for bev.
Oh no one, and walks right in. Can we talk about that?
So then there like waiting for her.
Do you have keys to your parents place?
I can get in?
Not the answer to the question I can get any size dog.
I'm just saying I tried, I can.
And he shows up to her parents place in another state, knocks on the front door and then just walks right in and like hangs out and.
Uses the phone and is just sitting in the room.
And then they walk into their own house that they presumably left empty, and someone's in there, and they're not surprised it's Annie.
I don't know.
It seems to me strange, you know, like somebody if I came home and I walked upstairs and my brother was sitting on my couch, I'd be a little like, hey, dude, what why and how did you get into my house?
And why didn't you call me?
It was the nineties, and it was fine, and they come in and they start talking.
Already locked their door.
They talked about having all these kind of wild adventures because it's clearly like it's at the end of grandma's life and she's doing anything and everything and hot air balloon. They're gonna fly first class and come back. They want to go to a water park.
Yes, so we can know down where the Camdens live.
He's near raging waters.
Or well the water park Magic wasn't around back then.
They're soak city.
It was no they I remember when they built it Hurricane Harbor. Yeah, American Harbor.
Wasn't Urcan Harbor wasn't around that not then that was built in the two thousand waters.
Well it was ragingly we can narrow. So where were there two water parks?
And well, you know what this is? Make believes so there could.
Have need to get one of those geo guests guys, all right.
The other thing is to that like maybe Annie just walks in because like in the nineties and even in the early two thousands, who didn't like text someone ten million times to say I'll be like, I call it.
You know, I'm almost there. I'm ten minutes away. I'm coming. I'm still coming.
I'm in the door.
We know, like it's like, yeah, i'll see you on Thursday at too, and like a week to let's take a brook.
Sorry, Okay, so I do have.
To say that one scene though with Grandma, when with Annie, she does say that very poignant line saying I'll be resting soon enough, honey, and that that was one that like definitely like hit me because you know she's very clear that like then is coming right.
Yeah, it's morbid and and sweet.
So yeah, yeah in some way. But then we skip to Eric's Fabulous Dinner, which is a cast role which he learned in.
I remember like seeing that on the plate when we were filming that, and they mixed like catch up in it, and it was absolutely most of them.
It was revolting, Yes it was.
Yeah, they made it look gross as best they could.
But also what I loved about the scene though, is Eric having a great time making it and then ordering pizza and then also having a great time eating it, watching all of us suffer because he's just chowing down, and as he ducks out of the room, we all try desperately to get it off of our plate. Somebody dumps it back into the cast role. Simon immediately goes.
For Happy to Eat It, Happy Runs It's just cute.
And then Eric pops back in and says, oh, don't fill up the pizzas coming or something like that, which I think is actually a great payoff because he's enjoying himself so much because he's torturing us with his bad food and he.
Knows it and he's in on the joke.
Yeah, yeah, which is which is cute and and uh and I thought worked as a as a little gag.
And then we go to Grandma and Grandpa at the airport with Annie that are coming back and then living it up and spending all the money and having the Fla Mignon and like, you know, living life.
It's a London kids inheritance.
Hey, and and then we move on to Lucy getting ready for Jimmy Moon, and of course she does the absolute nineties thing, which is the like what was it bananka?
I remember that?
Like that the breastspray. That was like such a strange moment because she's getting ready for Jimmy Moon. And we opened the door and who's there but Jimmy Moon?
Is he? You know?
Way you can never just call him Jimmy. It was always Jimmy Moon.
Yeah he had that was always.
Just Jimmy Moon. And as they enter, she sees Mary walk by and starts doing a total Lucy thing, which is clearing her throat to get Mary's attention, who clearly does not take any attention to her, and gives her a wave and a not and just companues on.
You guys are real, like, what about Jimmy Moon? And he's like, what thirteen fourteen, thirteen year old self and he's like, I've picked up this great French film for us to watch, right.
You see, I thought that I was like that Jimmy Moon. That's pretty cool.
Well, it's also having him because he says he goes, oh, Eric says, I'll get some popcorn out come watch it with you, and he goes, oh, no, need for that. I have a copy.
Brought you a copy and it's like VHS.
It's a VHS that looks like it's from Hollywood video maybe.
I mean I thought it was that was pretty good. And then you've got and then you all so have you know, while this date is going on, you've got Mary spying on Lucy.
And Mary and kind of jealous. Adot is jealous, I like your dad.
Yeah, she's want to play a song.
Yeah, she's That's what bugged me out when I was watching. I was like, oh my god, the knives are coming out. It's so brutal. Like she goes up there to get dad to make him ruin the date.
Yeah, she brings the guitar.
Yeah.
Yeah, she pusts out the guitar. She's like, don't just ruin the date? Ruin it like this?
Y Yeah.
Well, because that's how the red song, that's how her date was. And then she takes part so it's not only him.
Go down together.
Yeh.
By the way, I didn't realize.
I mean we we had covered early in the podcast how how terrified I was when we did the musical episode and I didn't want to sing, But I didn't remember how often we seem to sing in the show.
I mean, we're only on episode three.
I know, and there's like four numbers. It's like four times in three episodes we sing. It's ridiculous.
I sing a lot on the show and we haven't even gotten there.
I blocked a lot of that out. I was definitely not.
Why, but I mean that lent my moment in life when I thought I was a singer. I think it's because of all of this. I sang on the show and I thought I was good. It was just it was a misconception.
I had no such misconception about myself.
Okay, Yes, And then we move on to again, there's a lot of making out. Matt's makeout session with the Bad News she was bad.
We shall have a makeout counter. Oh we should rewatch.
Thank god we don't. Yeah, so the Bad News girl, because you know she and then she pulls out a beer and somehow the car gets put in reverse and the meals.
On wheels underage designated driver.
Rolls into a cop car.
Yes, and she takes her beer and goes and she spills it all over him.
Yeah, Matt, it's good.
And guess what, dun Dunn, Matt is in trouble because.
He hits a cop.
He's done for it.
They tried to make it.
Look like the worst ever coincidence you've ever seen, Like he accidentally hits someone who is a cop and in that moment accidentally spills her beer.
And it's full because she just opened it.
She yet into second he put the car drive, she opened a beer.
But then we go We come back to when Eric and Mary are trying to find the perfect song in which to ruin Lucy's date, which takes.
Them a couple of tries tunes and then and then he comes up on the perfect little Hodown number for.
Them, and then ask Lucy does. Lucy completely narks and tells Eric that the is.
Up why Mary is singing the Hodown with him to ruin your date?
And Lucy tells on her and says that Mary wanted to watch strip teas, which she didn't do but wanted to, but she still gets in trouble because of wanting to apparently wrong. Then we go to Matt. We go back to Matt, who's in trouble the cops named Bob.
Well, Matt sort of got Mary out of whatever imaginary trouble she was in for wanting to see a movie, right, I mean like nothing that anyone else in that show on that episode could have done, but compared to Matt, you know, running beer yeah with the twenty five year old yeah and int.
And then we go to Lucy and Mary having their.
Fight an underage twenty five year old.
Right, and the knives are out between Lucy and Mary because they are mad game, set and match. I don't know who won that one.
I don't know.
I feel like you guys knifed each other so much in this episode that nobody won.
That's as that could be true.
Call it a.
Draw, a bloody and then everything and you know, Grandma and Grandpa and Annie come back, and they come back with a load of gifts, right, lots of gifts and a special gift for for Simon.
There they are, do I get moon ros?
We get more moon rocks. There's a lot of moon rocks.
There's a lot of moon rock.
You really liked moon rocks?
I did, I think, And you know what, as a kid, I loved like all things space, and so you know that to me is just a relatable kid thing for my age group.
I guess.
You know.
In the bedroom that you had, I noticed like that they had all of the planetary system pinned on the door, so that tracks.
That's cool, I mean, And as a kid, like science was always my favorite subject and so like having Simon, you know, have all his like space paraphernalia and stuff.
Like that, it was all super relatable for me.
I also love that in the next scene, when Annie's back and like basically everyone's coming to Annie, telling her, like all the trouble that's been going on, and she's the first thing she says is like, does everyone just fight when I'm gone? And as a mom, I also can completely relate to that, or like all hell breaks loose when I'm out of town, like all of a sudden, it's like they're just like a and of like wild animals.
That all or Michael is okay.
All order. He is a he's a good manager of wild animals.
Oh that's good. So he's heep, he is a zoo keeper.
I guess yeah, I mean I think, yeah, there's definitely some zoom keeping happening right now.
It's true.
The family facade is held together by stringy and as soon.
As the the the enabler leaves, everything falls apart.
Yeah.
And then I left Grant with a literal zoo.
Yeah, well you know you have.
He's running the only farms.
And then and then we go back to.
Matt got to take his shoes off.
He goes back to Matt, who didn't travel, circling back focus people.
Focused a strong suit of mine.
And on that note, we'll.
Be right back, and then we go back to Matt is in trouble and the dad of the bad news girl calls out Eric, saying, I should have known because you're a minister's son.
Yeah, but it's a minister's daughter who's the bad one usually, right, isn't that the cliche?
I think, actually the preacher's daughter.
Yeah.
But then Eric gets mad. That's when Eric kind of loses it a little bit. Is this the first time we see Eric lose it?
I believe so.
No, in the last episode he yelled at Matt for staying out all night.
Remember, Oh that's true. Yeah. I think this is going to be a repeated theme.
So Eric has anger management issues and who's he going to talk to though, Well, he's the man to talk to.
He does that thing where he yells, Yeah, he yells because he cares.
Then and then we have.
The sweetest scene with Alice, who played our Grandma, who comes in and basically says how hard it must be for Matt because Matt doesn't have anyone, and how lucky Lucy and Mary are because they have each other. And it's a very sweet scene where all the sudden the sisters kind of realized, like we shouldn't be mean to each other. We should remove all knives from each other's backs.
And we should be It's a highlights see.
It's a very sweet scene, and there is a very funny while we're walking down the hallway. There's a comment that Lucy says, the whole family is weird, and I actually had a little chuckle about that. I'm like, yes, because we are. But every family is weird, every family, every family. So that was very sweet. And then you guys have a really sweet brother sister moment in the bedroom when you guys are saying good.
Night, well we say we love each other.
Mm hmm, and then you say, we don't have to do this every night.
Yeah, it is, it is. It is a very it is a very cute scene.
But it's it's a very sweet and.
With each other.
It's so cute.
It plays, it plays great and its it comes across as genuine and sweet, and we have that great little sibling dynamic.
So at that moment in time before we know we're too busy with our own dating lives.
I guess yeah, you know.
But tracking back to Grandma's scene with you, that to me is a highlight scene and I'd and I'd probably vote Grandma's MVP.
Yeah, I love that you do this, MVP.
I love Grandma's.
But you know, I think it's everyone should get their flowers for their for doing the most in an episode, you know what I mean, Like it's and in this episode, it's it's about uh Grandma's you know, facing mortality and and it's something that can be like is obviously dark and scary and uh and difficult to deal with in any sort of positive way. But she does it very gracefully and with a smile the whole time. And it's so sweet and well done. So my MVP for the episode.
I love that. And then we have a total total ninety slash eighties because I feel like this was big also in all eighties movies. Throwing rocks at window.
Throw rocks to the window. Yeah, it's a classic one even for back then. Yes, yeah, yeah, And so je playing on an old trope.
Jeff is throwing rocks at Mary's window.
But I was going to say, we respond to the trope in a funny way because not only does he get Mary's attention, but he gets the dad's attention to like you're banging rocks against the side of the house and everyone in the house can hear you.
And that's when Eric says, tell Lucy that Jimmy Moon will give her a call.
And then gives he Redeems himself and then.
Gives Mary and Jeff a moment, and then he lets.
Them have their moment on the porch. Yo, which is sweet.
Also, is it weird that on the exterior of the house she opens by the way, this was when we the exterior of our house was a location and the interior was obviously a set, And so the exterior of the house, she opens the window backwards, like she opens the top of the can.
You can do that.
And then on the inside of the house on our set, it doesn't look like the windows.
Oh no, yeah, on the inside of the set they opened from like on the bottom.
Like, okay, why was regular windows?
I mean that you are correct, that.
Is I don't know. I just it was something I noticed, and I was like, do windows do that?
They did?
They do?
But yes, we were not consistent, that is correct.
I thought it was weird.
And then we have where Jeff apology actually like apologized for being a jerk and like recognizing that, you know, he wasn't very nice to marry on the front porch, and then Mary actually admitting that the reason why she used Lucy as an excuse when the reality was she never was going to be allowed to go to the party right right.
Right, right right right, and that you were a scapegoat. Of course Oliver.
Was not.
It didn't matter at all.
Yes, And then we have the very very sweet moment with Grandma and Grandpa where they kind of are having their dance and their sweet like kind of beats that are and I loved them. Grandma and Alice were just like such beautiful lights, like just such love the wonderful, like wonderful.
They're absolutely wonderful in these first few episodes and just.
I just remember them just being so fun to be around. They, like they definitely gave you that Grandma Grandpa energy, like yeah, you know those hugs and like you know, they're just being around them on set and they were they And then Grandma and Matt finally have a moment because up until this Matt's been dealing with knowing that Grandma's sick but never really had that moment with her.
Yeah, and all of the and again, incredible work, all of these moments with Grandma and in her her good vies with each of us and her imparting her giving us each a lesson to hold on to before she passes, is like so sweet.
And well done and and uh and and.
Such quality, like like really great example of the quality family television we were capable of when we were on Point back then.
But her scene with me in the bedroom, her scene with you, her scene, her scene with Matt, all of those scenes are just the highlight for me, right acting wise, performance wise.
And then Matt and Eric have their they you know, kind of they're hug and have like they make up, they make up. And then the which I didn't even remember this moment when Grandma comes in to give Annie a kiss. I even had to like kind of rewatch it and be like, wait, is this her? Like this is the ghost moment, the like kiss goodbye where it's when she when Grandma says, I have to go now, and that's when she passes, and yeah.
It comes out and they're in the hallway and Grandpa says she's gone.
I feel like it's one of the only times in the history of the show where we really leaned into a super naw natural moment.
And and I think it's done again.
It kind of capstones this this amazing performance that we get from our Grandma in this episode that it's done.
It's done quickly and sweetly. And uh and I loved it, I really did.
I thought I had forgotten about it, honestly, and before I rewatched it and I went, oh, wow, did I forgot.
That we had done something like that?
Like it seemed like we really leaned into the kind of religious part of our show, like really hard in that moment. And uh, and I think it paid off. I think it was great.
It was.
It's a very sweet moment. And I think also that that hallway scene when Annie runs out and the realization that she's gone and Graham comes out and gives her.
A hug, so that reinforces that that feeling she had was genuine and she she got her goodbye.
Yeah, And those instincts sometimes, sure, there's when someone dies or like you don't.
Know why, but you have that knowing that.
It's that connection. I think it's that like it's having that.
But occasionally it does happen, but that intense connection to that person, you feel it suddenly and then and you find out that that's that that's the moment that they passed.
It's really sweet.
And it's sweet because I don't I feel like it's there was so much opportunity for it to be heavy handed and and to but it was it.
I think they did it really graceful.
It was well, it was beautiful, it was simple, it was clean, it was heartfelt, and it was meaningful. And I think also I think this is part of like what was part of our success is the ability to have these heavy moments that people could It was a great.
Way to like just definitely navigate difficult things.
Okay, so the nine These Fashion Award goes to either Eric and his beeper belt, which I mean that's gonna be every episode, or Jimmy Moon and his rugby shirt.
For me, it's the beeper belt just because I have memories of beepers from the nineties, Like.
I remember the beeper era beeper belts, but.
I don't have Stevens peeper and Eric's pieper remember they just switch it out.
And they like would switch the beeper.
I mean, beepers are just like so nineties. I had a beeper I remember, like I remember beeper code, like page code. I never three one four three, guys, I love you.
I never had a beeper, but but I started off with the cell phone early in the cell phone era.
When did you get a cell phone? Do you remember?
I'm assuming my first cell phone was those early Nokias because everyone had those. Those were the cell phones that that you got as a kid back then. And I know at some point, like when no Ki has jumped the shark, I had like my now kio fully motted with, like I had the light light up battery pack in the custom antenna piece and the what it like exactly you swapped out all the parts for it.
So are we giving the award.
To to me?
It's the beeper because I don't have particular memories of the rugby thing like that wasn't on my radar as a kid.
But it's on.
You guys, And the winner is Eric with the beeper belt. All right, Okay, So if you guys love what you're hearing, please be sure to subscribe, follow, push all the buttons, say all the likes and the thumbs and all those things.
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