This is the takeaway episode with Vaibhav Gupta, co-creator of BAML, where we unpack why most agentic AI code out there is dumb. If you like what you hear, you should listen to the full episode. 

This is the takeaway episode with Vaibhav Gupta, co-creator of BAML, where we unpack why most agentic AI code out there is dumb. If you like what you hear, you should listen to the full episode.&nbsp;

Catalog and Cocktails is the honest, No-BS, non-sales-y podcast about data and analytics. This is your unfiltered chat about everything interesting in data and analytics. Join Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper to explore emerging topics and hear from thought leaders, practitioners and executives across the data and analytics space.

Catalog and Cocktails is the honest, No-BS, non-sales-y podcast about data and analytics. This is your unfiltered chat about everything interesting in data and analytics. Join Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper to explore emerging topics and hear from thought leaders, practitioners and executives across the data and analytics space.

Catalog & Cocktails: The Honest, No-BS Data Podcast

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TAKEAWAY - The way we build agents today is dumb with Vaibhav Gupta

Most organisations know they're not getting value from their data and AI investments, but few are willing to name the real culprit: the boardroom. In this episode, Kyle Winterbottom joins Juan and Tim to argue that the mandates handed to CDAOs are fundamentally broken because the people hiring them don't understand what good looks like. Boards continue to build capability without starting with the end in mind, creating a culture where data leaders are rewarded for building things rather than delivering outcomes. The result? An entire industry that has learned to play the wrong game. 

Most organisations know they're not getting value from their data and AI investments, but few are willing to name the real culprit: the boardroom. In this episode, Kyle Winterbottom joins Juan and Tim to argue that the mandates handed to CDAOs are fundamentally broken because the people hiring them don't understand what good looks like. Boards continue to build capability without starting with the end in mind, creating a culture where data leaders are rewarded for building things rather than delivering outcomes. The result? An entire industry that has learned to play the wrong game.&nbsp;

The Wrong Mandate: Why Boards Set Data & AI to Fail with Kyle Winterbottom

This is the takeaway episode with Kyle Winterbottom where he argues that the mandates handed to CDAOs from the board are fundamentally broken because the people hiring them don't understand what good looks like. The result? An entire industry that has learned to play the wrong game. 

This is the takeaway episode with Kyle Winterbottom where he argues that the mandates handed to CDAOs from the board are fundamentally broken because the people hiring them don't understand what good looks like. The result? An entire industry that has learned to play the wrong game.&nbsp;

TAKEAWAY - The Wrong Mandate: Why Boards Set Data & AI to Fail with Kyle Winterbottom

Stop treating AI governance like a compliance checkbox handed down from the boardroom. Kierra Dotson joins Juan and Tim to argue that the chasm between ambitious AI strategy and messy technical reality exists precisely because we've made governance someone else's problem. The fix? Empower engineers, data scientists, and product owners to own their role in shaping ethical, sustainable AI — not as a burden, but as the thing that makes the work actually matter.

Stop treating AI governance like a compliance checkbox handed down from the boardroom. Kierra Dotson joins Juan and Tim to argue that the chasm between ambitious AI strategy and messy technical reality exists precisely because we've made governance someone else's problem. The fix? Empower engineers, data scientists, and product owners to own their role in shaping ethical, sustainable AI &mdash; not as a burden, but as the thing that makes the work actually matter.

TAKEAWAY - The way we build agents today is dumb with Vaibhav Gupta

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