This is the takeaway episode with Vaibhav Gupta, co-creator of BAML, where we unpack why most agentic AI code out there is dumb. If you like what you hear, you should listen to the full episode. 

This is the takeaway episode with Vaibhav Gupta, co-creator of BAML, where we unpack why most agentic AI code out there is dumb. If you like what you hear, you should listen to the full episode.&nbsp;

Catalog and Cocktails is the honest, No-BS, non-sales-y podcast about data and analytics. This is your unfiltered chat about everything interesting in data and analytics. Join Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper to explore emerging topics and hear from thought leaders, practitioners and executives across the data and analytics space.

Catalog and Cocktails is the honest, No-BS, non-sales-y podcast about data and analytics. This is your unfiltered chat about everything interesting in data and analytics. Join Juan Sequeda and Tim Gasper to explore emerging topics and hear from thought leaders, practitioners and executives across the data and analytics space.

Catalog & Cocktails: The Honest, No-BS Data Podcast

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TAKEAWAY - The way we build agents today is dumb with Vaibhav Gupta

Bob Seiner has spent decades in data governance, and in this episode he joins Juan and Tim to unpacks his new framework, Data Catalyst Cubed, which multiplies data governance by change management and data fluency. Miss any one of them, and you get zero. The problem is that leadership has never treated behavior change as part of the governance mandate, and most data programs have never connected with the change management expertise that already exists inside their organizations. 

Bob Seiner has spent decades in data governance, and in this episode he joins Juan and Tim to unpacks his new framework, Data Catalyst Cubed, which multiplies data governance by change management and data fluency. Miss any one of them, and you get zero. The problem is that leadership has never treated behavior change as part of the governance mandate, and most data programs have never connected with the change management expertise that already exists inside their organizations.&nbsp;

Data Catalyst³: Governance × Change Management × Data Fluency w/ Bob Seiner

Takeaway episode with Bob Seiner where he unpacks his new framework, Data Catalyst Cubed: multiplies data governance by change management and data fluency. Miss any one of them, and you get zero. 

Takeaway episode with Bob Seiner where he unpacks his new framework, Data Catalyst Cubed: multiplies data governance by change management and data fluency. Miss any one of them, and you get zero.&nbsp;

TAKEAWAY - Data Catalyst³: Governance × Change Management × Data Fluency w/ Bob Seiner

Most organizations are treating AI governance as a compliance checkbox. Victoria Gamerman argues it's the gateway that finally forces organizations to confront the human side of AI adoption. In this episode, Victoria breaks down why the POC-to-operationalization gap is so hard to close, why people, process, and data each carry more human weight than most leaders acknowledge, and what "AI-ready data" actually means and a reminder that AI isn't a technology problem. It never was.

Most organizations are treating AI governance as a compliance checkbox. Victoria Gamerman argues it's the gateway that finally forces organizations to confront the human side of AI adoption. In this episode, Victoria breaks down why the POC-to-operationalization gap is so hard to close, why people, process, and data each carry more human weight than most leaders acknowledge, and what "AI-ready data" actually means and a reminder that AI isn't a technology problem. It never was.

TAKEAWAY - The way we build agents today is dumb with Vaibhav Gupta

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