You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald from News talks'b Politics Friday, Megan Wood This Morning Morning, John Morning, Matty Morning. I got a question for it. Do you reckon Formula one has shown itself to be even more brutal than politics?

You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald from News talks'b Politics Friday, Megan Wood This Morning Morning, John Morning, Matty Morning. I got a question for it. Do you reckon Formula one has shown itself to be even more brutal than politics?

Matt Doocy, Well, that was my first thought when I heard about Liam Lawson. Look, yeah, fairly brutal. The only thing once I started digesting it, I suppose you could see it as relevant to other high performance sports. He actually just goes down to the next tier and potentially can go back up. But you would argue that the investment into him. For I'm not big in the sport, but I believe he's had two goes at it and to be acts that quickly. But knowing Formula one, you know there's a lot of money involved. You do wonder what else is behind the scenes.

Matt Doocy, Well, that was my first thought when I heard about Liam Lawson. Look, yeah, fairly brutal. The only thing once I started digesting it, I suppose you could see it as relevant to other high performance sports. He actually just goes down to the next tier and potentially can go back up. But you would argue that the investment into him. For I'm not big in the sport, but I believe he's had two goes at it and to be acts that quickly. But knowing Formula one, you know there's a lot of money involved. You do wonder what else is behind the scenes.

You do, it's two strikes and you're out on this case, isn't it.

You do, it's two strikes and you're out on this case, isn't it.

It's that I think imagine if it was your lot, Chippy would have been gone on election. He wouldn't have even stood up to do the speech.

It's that I think imagine if it was your lot, Chippy would have been gone on election. He wouldn't have even stood up to do the speech.

I don't know that anyone in the parliament. Joh I don't think you can. I don't think you can just focus it on jiffy but not coming. Yeah, brutal is a good word for it. But it kind of it's not passing the sniff test. It seems like there's a bit more to the story.

I don't know that anyone in the parliament. Joh I don't think you can. I don't think you can just focus it on jiffy but not coming. Yeah, brutal is a good word for it. But it kind of it's not passing the sniff test. It seems like there's a bit more to the story.

There will be more to it, all right. What doesn't pass the sniff test is tell of the Paul's comments about the police screen MP, saying that people feel more at risk when the police around, or more nervous when the police are around. Megan, you must have had your head in your hands. Given that they are a potential coalition partner, you must have had your head in your hands when you heard about that.

There will be more to it, all right. What doesn't pass the sniff test is tell of the Paul's comments about the police screen MP, saying that people feel more at risk when the police around, or more nervous when the police are around. Megan, you must have had your head in your hands. Given that they are a potential coalition partner, you must have had your head in your hands when you heard about that.

Yeah, and look, I mean I think that you ask you ask Matt whether he agrees with everything their coalition partners say as well, it's not the case. We're not the same party, and we've been really clear we do not agree with what Paul has said. We think that actually what we need to be seeing is our community is feeling safer and having beat polices really important to that. One of the things we are concerned about is if it has come out this week that there's only thirteen additional police that have gone in over the eighteen months that this government's been in power. I did the math on earlier this morning. They managed to thirteen over eighteen months. To get to the five hundred, it's going to have to be over sixty. It's going to have to be sixty a week.

Yeah, and look, I mean I think that you ask you ask Matt whether he agrees with everything their coalition partners say as well, it's not the case. We're not the same party, and we've been really clear we do not agree with what Paul has said. We think that actually what we need to be seeing is our community is feeling safer and having beat polices really important to that. One of the things we are concerned about is if it has come out this week that there's only thirteen additional police that have gone in over the eighteen months that this government's been in power. I did the math on earlier this morning. They managed to thirteen over eighteen months. To get to the five hundred, it's going to have to be over sixty. It's going to have to be sixty a week.

You didn't fifty a month math on the newsal Right, No, but no.

You didn't fifty a month math on the newsal Right, No, but no.

Actually I did do the math because I hadn't seen them. But I mean the bottom line is that I know that the communities that I represent they want to see more beat police and we don't agree with timoth of Paul.

Actually I did do the math because I hadn't seen them. But I mean the bottom line is that I know that the communities that I represent they want to see more beat police and we don't agree with timoth of Paul.

All right, Matt Doucy weird comments.

All right, Matt Doucy weird comments.

What from Megan?

What from Megan?

Yeah, I think a lot more squirrel.

Yeah, I think a lot more squirrel.

Look, that was an absolute squirrel math from the issue. And first really concerning comments from an elected representative, but an electric MP as well in Wellington. Equally concerning is now the report that what she was claiming either around police their behavior and her experience in prisons has been unsubstantiated and some community organizations now who she was saying we're substantiating her claims, are actually distancing themselves and saying they never said that in the first place. So look, every person in Parliament has to stand up and take responsibility for her actions. And she'll need to do that.

Look, that was an absolute squirrel math from the issue. And first really concerning comments from an elected representative, but an electric MP as well in Wellington. Equally concerning is now the report that what she was claiming either around police their behavior and her experience in prisons has been unsubstantiated and some community organizations now who she was saying we're substantiating her claims, are actually distancing themselves and saying they never said that in the first place. So look, every person in Parliament has to stand up and take responsibility for her actions. And she'll need to do that.

But what would that be in your book?

But what would that be in your book?

Well, I think that she will need to respond to her claims, and now the questions around how substantiated her claims was that she once stated. What I would also say is it's really concerning is that when you look at both Labor and the Greens, they have been lockstep in vote their voting record this term around law and order, voting down every law and order bill that we've put up. So this is really concerning going forward. We've got I think, don't mean no, no, there's lockstep. You look at the.

Well, I think that she will need to respond to her claims, and now the questions around how substantiated her claims was that she once stated. What I would also say is it's really concerning is that when you look at both Labor and the Greens, they have been lockstep in vote their voting record this term around law and order, voting down every law and order bill that we've put up. So this is really concerning going forward. We've got I think, don't mean no, no, there's lockstep. You look at the.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one thing. There's one thing my mother said. My mother says politics Friday, you run a tight ship. They don't talk over each other. So don't get me in trouble with my mum.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one thing. There's one thing my mother said. My mother says politics Friday, you run a tight ship. They don't talk over each other. So don't get me in trouble with my mum.

Look, I mean, I think let's actually talk about that issue ahead. You asked us about this. In terms of police, Labour has been really clear, and I think that's a good thing that we can say that when when parties who may well form a coalition together they don't have to agree on anything, will come out to say that Labor and Greens are lockstep on this. It's just absolute nonsense. He's been absolutely crystal right.

Look, I mean, I think let's actually talk about that issue ahead. You asked us about this. In terms of police, Labour has been really clear, and I think that's a good thing that we can say that when when parties who may well form a coalition together they don't have to agree on anything, will come out to say that Labor and Greens are lockstep on this. It's just absolute nonsense. He's been absolutely crystal right.

I want to ask you, all right, I whant to ask you a question. Do you think Megan woulds at some of the polls, should hold on to her role as spokesperson for police and corrections for the Green Party?

I want to ask you, all right, I whant to ask you a question. Do you think Megan woulds at some of the polls, should hold on to her role as spokesperson for police and corrections for the Green Party?

There is absolutely a question for the Greens, And I think you'd say that about whatever party it was, if you if you asked me about that, And I think that's a question you should put to the Greens.

There is absolutely a question for the Greens, And I think you'd say that about whatever party it was, if you if you asked me about that, And I think that's a question you should put to the Greens.

Well, like Meghan, they will have to take respect, what's your opinion, And equally for her, as an elected representative, she will need to take responsibility for her actions and her claims which are proving to be unsubstantiated in your.

Well, like Meghan, they will have to take respect, what's your opinion, And equally for her, as an elected representative, she will need to take responsibility for her actions and her claims which are proving to be unsubstantiated in your.

Book, what does taking responsibility mean?

Book, what does taking responsibility mean?

Well, I think she needs to stand up and explain why she is now in a difficult position claiming things that now others are saying actually didn't occur.

Well, I think she needs to stand up and explain why she is now in a difficult position claiming things that now others are saying actually didn't occur.

And if she can't explain.

And if she can't explain.

It, well that's for the Green Party to decide. They are responsible for their MPs.

It, well that's for the Green Party to decide. They are responsible for their MPs.

But you think she should stay in the role, No.

But you think she should stay in the role, No.

That would be for the Green Party to decide.

That would be for the Green Party to decide.

All right, Meghan I'm going to ask you first, because you were the one that turns the first sound on the stadium site, what do you reckon of this idea that venues Aututarhi is apparently looking into of applying a levy to tickets for events at the stadium bought by people outside christ Church, so effectively those of us in christ Church get a cheaper deal.

All right, Meghan I'm going to ask you first, because you were the one that turns the first sound on the stadium site, what do you reckon of this idea that venues Aututarhi is apparently looking into of applying a levy to tickets for events at the stadium bought by people outside christ Church, so effectively those of us in christ Church get a cheaper deal.

Yeah, and this is a discussion that's been going for a long time. And actually about the time I was turning the sod before the government handed this over to council and council, I always thought council were going to pick it up with the other councils around about when, and they haven't hopelessly that. I think a cleaner way would have been to have direct contribution from those councils into the stadium. And I think one of the things that some of these surrounding me is were always a bit perplexed about is that they were never spoken to you by christ Church City, So I think that would have been a cleaner way. I mean, there's all kinds of ways that you can gain the system. You can get your mates in christ Church to buy your tickets to the game, if you if you live just like have met if you live in wy Mec, I'll buy your tickets to the game they met. So there's all kinds of kind of administrative things.

Yeah, and this is a discussion that's been going for a long time. And actually about the time I was turning the sod before the government handed this over to council and council, I always thought council were going to pick it up with the other councils around about when, and they haven't hopelessly that. I think a cleaner way would have been to have direct contribution from those councils into the stadium. And I think one of the things that some of these surrounding me is were always a bit perplexed about is that they were never spoken to you by christ Church City, So I think that would have been a cleaner way. I mean, there's all kinds of ways that you can gain the system. You can get your mates in christ Church to buy your tickets to the game, if you if you live just like have met if you live in wy Mec, I'll buy your tickets to the game they met. So there's all kinds of kind of administrative things.

So back to getting to an answer to the question you think a dumb idea.

So back to getting to an answer to the question you think a dumb idea.

No, No, I think that they should be looking at mechanisms in the ways that the councils that's around christ Chach can contribute to the stadium. It is greater christ Churcher's Stadium, but the.

No, No, I think that they should be looking at mechanisms in the ways that the councils that's around christ Chach can contribute to the stadium. It is greater christ Churcher's Stadium, but the.

People anywhere outside christ Church, North Island, Southland, and this.

People anywhere outside christ Church, North Island, Southland, and this.

Is not unheard of in terms of having differential contributions to stadiums.

Is not unheard of in terms of having differential contributions to stadiums.

No.

No.

Not a ticket price yea, And I think that it's going to be hard to administer, but I wouldn't rule it out. I think one of the things that really that what it's trying to address is the fact that it is greater christ Church Stadium. I take your point about people out of town also getting caught by that, and we do want to encourage people to come to christ Church for games, so you have to make sure you weren't setting the ticket price there. But I think one of the things that we've got a sense of greater christ Church that now includes Selwyn and Wymack very much in terms of the people that live in Kaiapui and Rangior are going to use the stadium just as much and see it as their home ground. But the point as much as someone living in within the city limits.

Not a ticket price yea, And I think that it's going to be hard to administer, but I wouldn't rule it out. I think one of the things that really that what it's trying to address is the fact that it is greater christ Church Stadium. I take your point about people out of town also getting caught by that, and we do want to encourage people to come to christ Church for games, so you have to make sure you weren't setting the ticket price there. But I think one of the things that we've got a sense of greater christ Church that now includes Selwyn and Wymack very much in terms of the people that live in Kaiapui and Rangior are going to use the stadium just as much and see it as their home ground. But the point as much as someone living in within the city limits.

They have contributed, just like people in Auckland have contributed through the taxpayer support, the taxpayer investment in the stadium, the christ.

They have contributed, just like people in Auckland have contributed through the taxpayer support, the taxpayer investment in the stadium, the christ.

Which people have as well. So the argument then is they're contributing twice. And look when I was involved before government handed it over to council, I can tell you that other councils weren't weren't ruling out having a conversation about it. The way they did it in Wellington with Wellington Stadium is that actually obviously if you lived closer to the stadium you contributed more, so that it was kind of when you paid less the further out you went in terms of the greater Wellington region. So there's a good precedent around the country of how you can do this.

Which people have as well. So the argument then is they're contributing twice. And look when I was involved before government handed it over to council, I can tell you that other councils weren't weren't ruling out having a conversation about it. The way they did it in Wellington with Wellington Stadium is that actually obviously if you lived closer to the stadium you contributed more, so that it was kind of when you paid less the further out you went in terms of the greater Wellington region. So there's a good precedent around the country of how you can do this.

You're worrying me, now, what did you poop? Po Matt duson what about you?

You're worrying me, now, what did you poop? Po Matt duson what about you?

Well?

Well?

I think, sort of taking back to a principals base, the two issues I think that needs to be addressed through some rating is the wash up of ongoing operational costs, but also the ability to leverage the stadium for economic development and get out there and attract some brilliant, world leading events. I mean, you know, I'd like to think we could be the Melbourne of New Zealand when events the question. But my point being I think it should be framed like that. And when it is framed like that, then I think it is christ Stadium greater christ Church and Canterbury. So you could look at a pro rata system and then whether it be through the ticket mechanism that has been proposed here, but largely I think really e Can's probably showed a lack of leadership. It should have been through the regional county. No, no, but hold on, hold on for me. The best mechanism would have been through the regional council's ability to collect through their rating basis.

I think, sort of taking back to a principals base, the two issues I think that needs to be addressed through some rating is the wash up of ongoing operational costs, but also the ability to leverage the stadium for economic development and get out there and attract some brilliant, world leading events. I mean, you know, I'd like to think we could be the Melbourne of New Zealand when events the question. But my point being I think it should be framed like that. And when it is framed like that, then I think it is christ Stadium greater christ Church and Canterbury. So you could look at a pro rata system and then whether it be through the ticket mechanism that has been proposed here, but largely I think really e Can's probably showed a lack of leadership. It should have been through the regional county. No, no, but hold on, hold on for me. The best mechanism would have been through the regional council's ability to collect through their rating basis.

Well, let me test that, Meghan. So you'd be quite happy to pay extra to go to a comm sort of eating part Eden Park because right Payers and Auckland have contributed towards that.

Well, let me test that, Meghan. So you'd be quite happy to pay extra to go to a comm sort of eating part Eden Park because right Payers and Auckland have contributed towards that.

I'm just going to come to the defense of a Ken on that it's absolutely right. The mechanism would have been through the regional the regional rate that you pay. That's what was done in Wellington. But it really was on the city to initiate those discussions. Is the people building the discussion, So I don't think it's like a leadership on the.

I'm just going to come to the defense of a Ken on that it's absolutely right. The mechanism would have been through the regional the regional rate that you pay. That's what was done in Wellington. But it really was on the city to initiate those discussions. Is the people building the discussion, So I don't think it's like a leadership on the.

Part of all right, So why is it Why is it fear for for for christ to charge people more to buy a ticket to come here when other cities don't do that to us?

Part of all right, So why is it Why is it fear for for for christ to charge people more to buy a ticket to come here when other cities don't do that to us?

And I think you raised a really good point, John. What we need to make sure is that we're not pricing ourselves out, that this isn't done in such a way that we're that we're that we're making ourselves not competitive and people are thinking, well, I'm not going to travel to Christis to go to.

And I think you raised a really good point, John. What we need to make sure is that we're not pricing ourselves out, that this isn't done in such a way that we're that we're that we're making ourselves not competitive and people are thinking, well, I'm not going to travel to Christis to go to.

But we're trying to come up or I'm not dead against it, but but.

But we're trying to come up or I'm not dead against it, but but.

You wouldn't need to do it on every event.

You wouldn't need to do it on every event.

You guys are trying to come up with an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.

You guys are trying to come up with an answer to a problem that doesn't exist.

The point, sorry, missus McDon The point that Matt and I are both making is it would have been much tidier to do this through rates rather than doing it through tickets. So I absolutely agree with you. I think it's messy to do it through tickets. I think it's trying to address a problem that after the horse has bolted, and I think they're actually the council and I think Sam McDonald has raised this. They need to look at why they haven't gone and spoken to other councils and go back and have that conversation and do it at that rating level to get the contributions from our surrounding areas rather than ticket prices. I agree with you, it's going to be a messy situation.

The point, sorry, missus McDon The point that Matt and I are both making is it would have been much tidier to do this through rates rather than doing it through tickets. So I absolutely agree with you. I think it's messy to do it through tickets. I think it's trying to address a problem that after the horse has bolted, and I think they're actually the council and I think Sam McDonald has raised this. They need to look at why they haven't gone and spoken to other councils and go back and have that conversation and do it at that rating level to get the contributions from our surrounding areas rather than ticket prices. I agree with you, it's going to be a messy situation.

Quick point, Matt Doocy, Well, not a quick point.

Quick point, Matt Doocy, Well, not a quick point.

I think you a good run, so you know, and I'm sure, I'm sure if you were to call your mum John, she would agree that you'd should say give Matt doocey a good a good a good time, hey long. I don't know if it is around purely covering cost, I can see people's apprehension, but actually, if we're saying this will be an investment into the promotion of the stadium to bring events in, look at you know, events that come in and bring millions of dollars not only into the city but into Canterbury. That's a different proposition, and I think people would say, I'd be happy to invest into something that's going to bring jobs and in comes into the wider region.

I think you a good run, so you know, and I'm sure, I'm sure if you were to call your mum John, she would agree that you'd should say give Matt doocey a good a good a good time, hey long. I don't know if it is around purely covering cost, I can see people's apprehension, but actually, if we're saying this will be an investment into the promotion of the stadium to bring events in, look at you know, events that come in and bring millions of dollars not only into the city but into Canterbury. That's a different proposition, and I think people would say, I'd be happy to invest into something that's going to bring jobs and in comes into the wider region.

So the government announced this WHEK changes to the Resource Management Act well, the end of the Resource Management Act being replaced by two other pieces of legislation. Megan Woods kind of connected your colleague Duncan web is unhappy that the supermarket in Edgeware has been fast tracked and he's been having meetings in the pub at edgewhere. I mean, do you think people should have a say when it comes to the establishment of a supermarket. No.

So the government announced this WHEK changes to the Resource Management Act well, the end of the Resource Management Act being replaced by two other pieces of legislation. Megan Woods kind of connected your colleague Duncan web is unhappy that the supermarket in Edgeware has been fast tracked and he's been having meetings in the pub at edgewhere. I mean, do you think people should have a say when it comes to the establishment of a supermarket. No.

I think that community is soon need to haven put into things. And I think Duncan is saying that he's not necessarily opposed to a supermarket. He's been really clear on that. What he does want is there to be a modicum of a process where local people can have their say, and I don't think many people would disagree that. But I think going back to the broader rim changes, I think one of the things that is vitally important is that we can try and get some consensus on this. I went to the Investors Invested summit. Was that last week or the week before the Government's Invested summit. I went along with Barbara Edmonds and one of the things that we do know that if we are going to see people invest in New Zealand, they do need susan ty. We've reached out to national We've said, look, we're we're scrapping the RIM. We've already scrapped the changes labor made. For goodness sake, Let's try and get some long term thinking around this, because this is really difficult, whether you're trying to do something as in New Zealander or coming in to do something as an international investor.

I think that community is soon need to haven put into things. And I think Duncan is saying that he's not necessarily opposed to a supermarket. He's been really clear on that. What he does want is there to be a modicum of a process where local people can have their say, and I don't think many people would disagree that. But I think going back to the broader rim changes, I think one of the things that is vitally important is that we can try and get some consensus on this. I went to the Investors Invested summit. Was that last week or the week before the Government's Invested summit. I went along with Barbara Edmonds and one of the things that we do know that if we are going to see people invest in New Zealand, they do need susan ty. We've reached out to national We've said, look, we're we're scrapping the RIM. We've already scrapped the changes labor made. For goodness sake, Let's try and get some long term thinking around this, because this is really difficult, whether you're trying to do something as in New Zealander or coming in to do something as an international investor.

Just on that though, I mean, you guys did that. Both of your parties did that with housing intensification. Then you said on each.

Just on that though, I mean, you guys did that. Both of your parties did that with housing intensification. Then you said on each.

Well, no we didn't.

Well, no we didn't.

I'm sorry point the viewers can't see your fingers. I'm pointing at his lordship, so I'm pointing at you. Matt Doucy pulled out. So how can you talk about cross party consensus when history tells us that you're incapable of it?

I'm sorry point the viewers can't see your fingers. I'm pointing at his lordship, so I'm pointing at you. Matt Doucy pulled out. So how can you talk about cross party consensus when history tells us that you're incapable of it?

Well, I think Duncan's showing that, isn't he He's often his own little protest and what I would say, he seems to be sort of captured by a very noisy and vocal minority in St Albans. And we've seen this before with the Northern Corridor Motorway. There there were there were up and arms about that and obviously that ended up being an absolute game changer for not only the city but greater christ To So Lot, what we do know is we need competition and supermarkets and on Sunday, on Sunday, people want supermarkets. And the problem we've got in New Zealand at the moment is when we need things and around infrastructure and investment like this, we ended up we end up just with all the nasays right and the ability for people to actually respond and invest their private capital and provide the infrastructure and this services they need. So a lot Duncan might think he's doing a good job as a as a local MP, but the reality is I think it's not delivering what we need.

Well, I think Duncan's showing that, isn't he He's often his own little protest and what I would say, he seems to be sort of captured by a very noisy and vocal minority in St Albans. And we've seen this before with the Northern Corridor Motorway. There there were there were up and arms about that and obviously that ended up being an absolute game changer for not only the city but greater christ To So Lot, what we do know is we need competition and supermarkets and on Sunday, on Sunday, people want supermarkets. And the problem we've got in New Zealand at the moment is when we need things and around infrastructure and investment like this, we ended up we end up just with all the nasays right and the ability for people to actually respond and invest their private capital and provide the infrastructure and this services they need. So a lot Duncan might think he's doing a good job as a as a local MP, but the reality is I think it's not delivering what we need.

But Mett, you're absolutely missing the point that John asked you about. John, I'm gonna come in.

But Mett, you're absolutely missing the point that John asked you about. John, I'm gonna come in.

What fee you need help at all?

What fee you need help at all?

Excellent questions, you can always build on them.

Excellent questions, you can always build on them.

But met excellent room to do better.

But met excellent room to do better.

Hey, you know the rules of engagement.

Hey, you know the rules of engagement.

Satisfaction survey.

Satisfaction survey.

Back to that that Mett, that labor has reached out and see we will work to give that certainty. So I think you haven't addressed the core question that John asked you about what bipartisanship looks like. He pointed to the fact that you guys backed out of when Labor and National had come to agreement about the medium density rules. But the response from National on saying let's get some certainty, let's x we have some ways forward so we can make things happen and not have chopping and changing when we change government and Nationals come back and said, you need to agree with with us. That's what bipartisanship looks like. We actually need to have a different approach to this. Bipartisanship isn't the opposition just agreeing with the government of the day.

Back to that that Mett, that labor has reached out and see we will work to give that certainty. So I think you haven't addressed the core question that John asked you about what bipartisanship looks like. He pointed to the fact that you guys backed out of when Labor and National had come to agreement about the medium density rules. But the response from National on saying let's get some certainty, let's x we have some ways forward so we can make things happen and not have chopping and changing when we change government and Nationals come back and said, you need to agree with with us. That's what bipartisanship looks like. We actually need to have a different approach to this. Bipartisanship isn't the opposition just agreeing with the government of the day.

It's working to go all right, okay. And if someone you start saying you're going to ask a question and then you gave a leak, just like a public.

It's working to go all right, okay. And if someone you start saying you're going to ask a question and then you gave a leak, just like a public.

Meeting, an answer, Matt, So someone's got to do something.

Meeting, an answer, Matt, So someone's got to do something.

It's always like that on the meetings, question time and after twenty minutes year is there a question mark at the end of I'm just.

It's always like that on the meetings, question time and after twenty minutes year is there a question mark at the end of I'm just.

Looking for an answer from Matt. That's what I'm waiting.

Looking for an answer from Matt. That's what I'm waiting.

For You know, Matt, you don't get answers.

For You know, Matt, you don't get answers.

Right, that's outrageous. Bring your mum, she'd agree, she'll be clapping right. A couple of couple of things to finish off with. It's been reported yesterday and the Journal of Primary Healthcare that primary healthcare so gps are still taking a back seat to hospitals when it comes to funding and support within the health system. So, Matt Doocy, what's the government going to do to fix that? Well, you'd have seen recently Health Minister Simeon Brown announce a big package around primary care and part of that was a funding envelope of around two hundred and thirty five million to better support primary care. So look, clearly part of the answer is around funding. What I also support was Simeon talking about looking at a primary care access target.

Right, that's outrageous. Bring your mum, she'd agree, she'll be clapping right. A couple of couple of things to finish off with. It's been reported yesterday and the Journal of Primary Healthcare that primary healthcare so gps are still taking a back seat to hospitals when it comes to funding and support within the health system. So, Matt Doocy, what's the government going to do to fix that? Well, you'd have seen recently Health Minister Simeon Brown announce a big package around primary care and part of that was a funding envelope of around two hundred and thirty five million to better support primary care. So look, clearly part of the answer is around funding. What I also support was Simeon talking about looking at a primary care access target.

I support that.

I support that.

I brought one in around mental health primary care to be seen in one week.

I brought one in around mental health primary care to be seen in one week.

I think.

I think.

Was that targeted.

Was that targeted.

Well, we're announcing quarter two data in a couple of weeks. The target was eighty percent to be seen within one week. Our first data released three months ago. Still some quality issues in the first trant, but we were not far off. I think late seventies for meeting that target. And what it does show is actually when you set clear expectations, the services will be organized accordingly. Because the last point I'd make John is I've had experience in two health systems, the free GP health system of the NHS of the UK and the one here in New Zealand where there is a fee for service, both equally as bad around wait times you try and get registered with a GP in the UK or seen timely with a free service you can't, and here it's equally as bad. So it shows it's not about the cost of access. We need to make sure that people are delivering to the expectation.

Well, we're announcing quarter two data in a couple of weeks. The target was eighty percent to be seen within one week. Our first data released three months ago. Still some quality issues in the first trant, but we were not far off. I think late seventies for meeting that target. And what it does show is actually when you set clear expectations, the services will be organized accordingly. Because the last point I'd make John is I've had experience in two health systems, the free GP health system of the NHS of the UK and the one here in New Zealand where there is a fee for service, both equally as bad around wait times you try and get registered with a GP in the UK or seen timely with a free service you can't, and here it's equally as bad. So it shows it's not about the cost of access. We need to make sure that people are delivering to the expectation.

And Megan, what would your party do if you were in government to sort this out?

And Megan, what would your party do if you were in government to sort this out?

So I think rather than any party patting itself on the back about increased funding, you've actually got to look at that article and what it talks about is that it acknowledges that there have been increases to funding for primary health care. But what it points to is the proportion of health funding that primary health care is getting out of the overall health system. New Zealand sits at around five percent in his for the last fifteen years. So I think this is a really important piece of research and one that all parties have to look in and not think they're fixed. All right, One, I see these fourteen percent. One final in terms of what you do, So everyone's got more to do.

So I think rather than any party patting itself on the back about increased funding, you've actually got to look at that article and what it talks about is that it acknowledges that there have been increases to funding for primary health care. But what it points to is the proportion of health funding that primary health care is getting out of the overall health system. New Zealand sits at around five percent in his for the last fifteen years. So I think this is a really important piece of research and one that all parties have to look in and not think they're fixed. All right, One, I see these fourteen percent. One final in terms of what you do, So everyone's got more to do.

One final thing to GoF. Speaking of percent, the christi At City Council residents Satisfaction Survey results have been released and there's one figure in particular. This is the trust people have that the council is spending rate payer money wisely and it's nineteen percent. Meghan Woods, that's cruddy no matter how you look at it, isn't it.

One final thing to GoF. Speaking of percent, the christi At City Council residents Satisfaction Survey results have been released and there's one figure in particular. This is the trust people have that the council is spending rate payer money wisely and it's nineteen percent. Meghan Woods, that's cruddy no matter how you look at it, isn't it.

Yeah, it's not a past mark? Is it far from a past mark? And look, I'm going to be upfront since Tali, I haven't done my homework and looked at all the numbers around that satisfaction survey. Be really interesting to dig into that and see if there's particular bits that people are really dissatisfying.

Yeah, it's not a past mark? Is it far from a past mark? And look, I'm going to be upfront since Tali, I haven't done my homework and looked at all the numbers around that satisfaction survey. Be really interesting to dig into that and see if there's particular bits that people are really dissatisfying.

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Absolutely, I'm not defending it. I'm agreeing with you, and I'm saying that I think it would be interesting to look across the country and see how that compares to other councils as well, like as christ Church an outlier, or are we performing on par with other councils, and then there's a bigger issue.

Absolutely, I'm not defending it. I'm agreeing with you, and I'm saying that I think it would be interesting to look across the country and see how that compares to other councils as well, like as christ Church an outlier, or are we performing on par with other councils, and then there's a bigger issue.

Hey yeah, hey yea was bad as everybode.

Hey yeah, hey yea was bad as everybode.

No, no, no, And I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if there is a case across the country, then that's something that we need to address nationally. But I mean rate payers do need to see value for the money. Rates are an expensive part of any household's budget that they put together, and people want to see that they're getting value for money out of them.

No, no, no, And I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if there is a case across the country, then that's something that we need to address nationally. But I mean rate payers do need to see value for the money. Rates are an expensive part of any household's budget that they put together, and people want to see that they're getting value for money out of them.

Matt Doucy, your government has hasn't been slow and coming forward when it comes to criticize criticizing local councils. What's your response to that survey result.

Matt Doucy, your government has hasn't been slow and coming forward when it comes to criticize criticizing local councils. What's your response to that survey result.

Well, I think that low ranking at nineteen percent, arguably it'd be interesting to know what it was a year ago, whether it's tracking.

Well, I think that low ranking at nineteen percent, arguably it'd be interesting to know what it was a year ago, whether it's tracking.

Us, it's about things about eighteen seven there was a so.

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The trend line is a small increase, but clearly that reinforces why we said that local government needs to get back to basics and ensuring they are delivering value for money. And I think what most people, in my view would be exercising with that result is saying, actually, we don't think the councils are prioritizing the funding in the right areas. But on saying that at a high level, I'm led to believe the overall satisfaction levels before council survey has increased and in fairness to fail. When he stood in the last campaign, I thought it was an interesting thing to single out the satisfaction survey that he wanted it to increase, and it sounds like he has done that more broadly.

The trend line is a small increase, but clearly that reinforces why we said that local government needs to get back to basics and ensuring they are delivering value for money. And I think what most people, in my view would be exercising with that result is saying, actually, we don't think the councils are prioritizing the funding in the right areas. But on saying that at a high level, I'm led to believe the overall satisfaction levels before council survey has increased and in fairness to fail. When he stood in the last campaign, I thought it was an interesting thing to single out the satisfaction survey that he wanted it to increase, and it sounds like he has done that more broadly.

So good on him. Thank you both, nice to see its. Enjoy the weekend. Make Jersey Megan Woods here for politics Friday. What was the word you use, Matt about the value for money? You say that that result, that result shows people don't think they're getting value for money from the council. Were on, Yeah, we are, Yeah.

So good on him. Thank you both, nice to see its. Enjoy the weekend. Make Jersey Megan Woods here for politics Friday. What was the word you use, Matt about the value for money? You say that that result, that result shows people don't think they're getting value for money from the council. Were on, Yeah, we are, Yeah.

Oh you're on now?

Oh you're on now?

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Oh sorry? I thought you pushed and buttons and we were.

Oh sorry? I thought you pushed and buttons and we were.

This is why I sometimes run away because I think it's over.

This is why I sometimes run away because I think it's over.

I should have asked them a far more interesting question.

I should have asked them a far more interesting question.

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I thought, Oh, yeah, hot, Mike, moment John, Hot, Mike.

Did you say that we're not getting really for money?

Did you say that we're not getting really for money?

No? I think what now? You really got me? So what I was saying is that the nineteen percent I think reinforces. What the government said is that we need the councils to get back to basics and make sure they prioritize their funding on investing in things. Ratepays one For more from Catebory Mornings with John McDonald, listen live to news talks It'd be christ Church from nine am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio

No? I think what now? You really got me? So what I was saying is that the nineteen percent I think reinforces. What the government said is that we need the councils to get back to basics and make sure they prioritize their funding on investing in things. Ratepays one For more from Catebory Mornings with John McDonald, listen live to news talks It'd be christ Church from nine am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio