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Chris Mannix. That was my Moments Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world. Of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris Mannix due to this NonStop cha that is the voice of Corey Erdman on the Zone broadcast. Last weekend, Corey was with me in Los Angeles at the YouTube Theater where we saw Alexis Rocha pick up a spectacular knockout win over George Ashy, and Corey is joining me this week on the podcast. From where exactly are you? Corey? I am in lovely and very snowy Montreal right now. I'm here to call Eric Basinian Alontes Fox to our on night on ESPN Plus. Now we're talking. I'm in New York where it is not snowy, but it is bone chilling cold at the moment. It's expected to be really cold all weekend long. The Amanda Serrano Erica Cruz fight is on the Zone UH this weekend, so Corey not to get too deep into the Rocha win. He did what everyone expected. I mean, credit Ashy for winging punches until the end, but this was a hundred and forty pounder moving up against the full fledged welter weight with some pop um. I want to talk about what's next here with with Alexis Rocha Um Golden Boy, we know met with Terence Crawford last week. Alexis Rocha was discussed, as Bernard Hopkins told us on the broadcast. So let's kind of put it out there. Uh, is Alexis Roach in your mind a good option if you're Bud Crawford. Well, I think he's an option, right. I think that the appropriate option that we all agree upon is supposed to be Errol Spence. And I know that there are obviously going to be fans who are absolute hardliners who say it's that fight or nothing. I'm not watching Terence Crawford unless it's against Errole Spence. But the reality, Sergio Mora, like Sergio Moore, is one of those people Sergio included. So yeah, he did not order the b LK Prime pay per view last night last time. He not. In fact, many many people did not order that. But would they order against Alexis Rocha. I I don't know. I mean, listen, Roacha is an option, and if Crawford enters some kind of working agreement with Golden Boy, it is a fight that within those confines makes sense. He's one of the welterweights that Golden Boy can offer up and I imagine and and this is just reality. I think the roacha understands this, and Golden Boy has said as much as well. You know, Virgil Ortiz is kind of first in line. You know, he is taking precedence in terms of who they care about os To at welterweight, and then comes Alexis Rocha. So if they're negotiating something with Terrence Crawford, unless it's a one off kind of thing, I imagine that, yeah, they're offering Rocha first and then maybe Ortiz or I truly don't know what they're discussing. That that's kind of what I would imagine. And you know, if we care about what rankings do and what their mechanisms are, then Rocha sits third behind him in the w b OH, and he is an option that's there. Has Rocha done a ton to this point to say he's ready to face one of the you know, let's call it three best fighters on planet Earth depending on how you want to arrange them. Well, I mean his best wins are over Blair Cobbs and George Ashi. So the answer to that is probably no. But at the same time, in Roach's own words, when you asked him. Chris alread you ready for Terrence Crawford, he said, we'll see when I get in there. So Alexis Rocha isn't trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. He understands how people view this matchup. But if the option is there and you're Alexis Rocha, of course you take it. I don't see why you wouldn't. I think if you're Bud Crawford, like, you're kind of running out of options here because you're not gonna do business with Top Rank because that relationship ended badly. You're obviously not doing business with PBC at the moment. Match Room doesn't really have anybody that's overly appealing to you. And if you're if you're dealing with Golden Boy, you can construct a two fight deal that would protect you in the event that a Spence fight can't be made. I mean, Roacha, like you said, is in a position where he could be named the mandatory at some point in the next couple of months. And if you're Crawford, you're going to protect that title probably at all costs, so you may have to take that fight one way or the other. Doing a deal with Golden Boy makes it a little bit easier. And if you beat Rocha, which many expect would expect, um, maybe there's a virginal lort shot down the line. I mean, Virgil Ortiz is going to face standing Onis on April. That much is known um right now. That is for Standy Onis, a secondary title. But I don't know many people Corey that believe that Spence after moving to one fifty four to face Keith Thurmer's gonna come back down to certainly not to face you know, Virgil Ortiz or some or or Standy Onis. Like that's just he's not gonna happen. That's just not happening at the moment. So a two fight deal that begins with Alexis Rocha and ends with Virgil Ortiz is a pretty good year if you're Terence Crawford. Terence Crawford over the last three years has been a once a year fighter. He fought once in once in twenty one and once in twenty two. Uh. He was saved in a way by b LK Prime coming in, you know and operating like Brewster from Brewster's Millions and just throwing money at stuff and giving him reportedly ten million dollars to fight that fight against David Abanisian. I don't believe that backup plan is going to be in place, uh this time around, especially with you know, thirteen people buying Adrian Browner against Michael Williams in February. So I just I think, Look, he's not gonna get ten million bucks to fight Alexis Roacha. But maybe there's a deal that makes sense for Terence Crawford where he can get paid and he can also stay active, Like these are you know, key years in Crawford's careers. It is mid thirties now though these his days are effectively numbered in boxing. I know people you know, dumped all over the idea of Alexis Roacha, and I get it, but look, Roacha is number three in the w b O. He's six, and oh uh since that loss to Rashidi Ellis, he's as qualified as anyone that's available, available being the key word. So why not go and do it, get a win and then go into what could be a pretty big fight against Virgin Lortise before the end of the year. Yeah, and and and I think Ortiz is key to this because it particularly if it's a package that could potentially lead to virgin Lortise. I would say that even the at the the absolutist when it comes to to Crawford and Spence and you know, and absolutely not wanting any other fight, could be convinced to watch Crawford versus Boots, Ennis versus Keith Thurman versus Virgil Ortis. Like, there's a handful of names that I think would be acceptable enough. And one thing that is true. You know, whether Crawford is privy to it or not, I don't know how much he's on his timeline, but he does have a little bit of a pr battle on his hands, right And I think that both he and Spence do, but probably a little bit more on the Crawford side. Uh yeah, I think the voices are a little bit louder in terms of his detractors. I think that anything that he can do that points his arrow towards one of those other names, at least temporarily, is good PR for him at the very least. It's not even if it's not Spence, even it's not a guaranteed Spence fight, if you have Golden Boys saying that is a fight that we're working towards, and hey, maybe there's Virgil Ortiz also. I think that that's a win for Prawford in terms of his public reception. Of course it is. I mean, you, if you're a fighter, you want to fight, and this was you know, I I don't want to engage in these debates at all times. But like you know, Sergio we had this argument with on the Zone Boxing Show, was like, it's Spence or nothing, all right, So you're saying that turns Crawford should just sit out, you know, for the next six months and cross his fingers and hope that a deal could be constructed to face Errol Spence. Where's the upside in that? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Stay busy makes some money. Um, you know, get to forty one and maybe you can get that mythical fifty, you know, if you're Crawford before the end of your career. But I think staying busy and look, I'm not gonna you know, lavish praise necessarily on Alexis Roacher beating George Ashi, the fourteen ranked contender by the w b A. We didn't get into this on the broadcast. No, I thought that you were going to go hard on this. I was kind I was waiting for it, I know, I know, but I kind of let the pitch go by just to recap here George as she who had fought one time above welter weights, and that was technically, I believe, a junior middleweight fight because his opponent weighed one fifty. Uh. He came into that fight against Alexis Rocha right number fourteen in the w b A rankings. Um Alexis Rocha, a career long welter weight who was on a six fight winning streak after the lost Ellis was not ranked by the w b A. So when people like wonder why I hate these sanctioning bodies and everything they stand for, this is why, Like, this is why George ash had no business objectively being ranked in the top fifteen, but the w b A put him there, which is bonkers to me. I don't you know, sanctioning body. I think sanctioning bodies behaving badly is going to be a recurring segment on this podcast. I think we're gonna have to to to just recognize the just absolutely shitty things that sanctioning bodies do in this sport. Yeah, and you could have a weekly segment on that and again, that's not like, it's not George Ashy's fault that he wound up in that position, right, Like, it's I think that we could do two things, like we could be critical of the sanctioning bodies and also respectful of the fighters who sometimes benefit the fighter's fault. You know, from those mechanisms like that, it's it's possible to do both. But you know, Roacha also did the very best that he could with that situation with a highlight real knockout. Because if that fight goes the distance, Chris, we're having an entirely different conversation because of that knockout, and because that's the clip that's circulating. People aren't talking about what kind of a fight that was, and they're not like that kind of gets pushed aside for yeah, we know what that fight was, but man, look at this knockout. Right, That's that really benefited Roacha and his plight. Right now, all right, let's talk about Archer Better BfV. Last week. Better BF picked up is nine win and nineteenth knockout, stopping Anthony Yard in a more competitive fight than expected, at least more competitive fight than I expected. Better We have took some shots in this one, Corey. He's thirty eight years old, So let me start here. Did you see any signs of slippage in Archer better BF? I think that if you look at a handful of better bf's last say six fights, so you know, if we include the beginnings of the Marcus Brown fight and the Adam Dinas fight, there have been times where better bf has looked like maybe he's sliding a little bit, and there would be good reason for that. At this point. I think that two things probably happened in this fight. I think that Yard improved, that Yard was a little bit better than we expected, that Yards that his power, that his pop was a little more meaningful than than maybe we gave it credit for coming into the fight. But also, yeah, better bv is thirty eight years old, and he demands a lot of his body, both in the ring during an active fight and in the gym. You know, this is a guy We've seen the clips of him working out in the gym and the and the finger push ups, and you know, when you're doing risk staxercises with the fucking barbell, the whole barbell, like you're you're asking a lot of your body, and that's doing a lot of wear and tear. It's also getting you in phenomenal shape, but there becomes there's a there's a breaking point where your body can't do that anymore. And the way the Better BF fights also invites contact. Even in his very best performances, he takes some shots. So yeah, Like, I don't think that it's derogatory to say that Better BF is slipping a little bit, because science would suggest that that has to be the case right now. But is he slipping to the point that he's not the best welter, excuse me, the best light heavyweight in the world. I mean it's still between him and Dmitri Beevil. Yeah, I agree. Um, he took more shots than he took say in the Vostic fight, which was his last really high level fight. Um, Yard, like you said, a lot better than I thought he was going to be. I was expecting some version of the Anthony Yard that fought against Sergey Kovalev, who was okay early on and then faded badly late. But this version of Yard, even in like you know, six seventh round, he was throwing some shots and landing some shots. So I could be Anthony Yard a lot of credit for for the way he fought. I don't think you should take any steps backward after performance like that. But if you're better Bee, you can probably start to hear father time and those footsteps behind you. Not yet, he's not catching up yet, but you know he might be, you know, two or three fights away from being more vulnerable than he's been in years past. And look, I thought the scorecards were kind of preposterous. Um, yeah, having anthered the yard up like two or three rounds or one of the judges had like, that's ridiculous like that, that just didn't happen. That's not that's not reflective of reality. But you know, better b has been down the scorecards before, like they're not important to him because he knows that eventually he's going to get to his opponent and stop. And Bostick was up on the scorecards. I think, um, when when he fought better be, better be have just finished him off. So um, I think he's still high, high level, but he might not be the fighter we saw against Bostick a couple of years ago. Now, the question is, can Better beev and be Evil be made? And unfortunately the short answer is no. Um for a few reasons. Number one the timing kind of sucks. Better Beev is a devout Muslim. He is going to observe Ramadan in the next couple of months, and that effectively shelves him till the early summer at the earliest. And you know, if you're Dmitri Bevil, even though you do want that shot at Archer, better Beef. The pot of goal at the end of the rainbow is Cannello Alvarez, And if Canello is really targeting be Evil, as Eddie Hearn has been telling everybody that he is um that fight would take place in September, and Bevil is not turning down the opportunity to fight for the undisputed championship at in September against Canelo Alvarez. It's legacy, it's money, it's everything that you could possibly want in a potential fight. That reason number one, Reason number two is there's no money anywhere for it. Like Dmitri Beevil in his last couple of fights made five million dollars in each, made five billion dollars to face Canello Alvarez made about five million dollars to face Orto Ramirez in Abu Dhabi. So he's used to a certain level of pay, so too, is Archer better Be Who's going to expect his career highest payday if he goes up against the betri Beevil. These guys are great fighters, nobody knows who they are. They have no fan bases anywhere in the US, anywhere in the world quite frankly, outside of maybe Russia. And we're not doing fights in Russia. Nobody's doing unification fights in Russia at the moment. That's just not happening. I mean, it reminds me I was at the Better b a Vostic fight. There was nobody there. I was in Philadelphia, was a great fight, unification fight. There's nobody there at that fight. These guys just don't have fan bases. Better WF has one maybe in Montreal, but you're not getting any kind of gate that that makes up the kind of money you need to to actually get there. So the reality of the situation, if people are clamoring for better Be a Bevil, is that unless Saudi Arabia gets involved, unless Abu Dhabi gets involved, you're not gonna get that fight. It's just not happening, simple as that. And it sucks. But you know, Vegas ain't putting up big money for it. New York ain't putting up big money for it. There's no venue in the UK that would put up big money for it. They need the Middle East in order to make that fight happen, and that might not be just specific to this year, Corey, Like, I don't expect Dmitri Bubble to develop this new fan base over the next eight months. I don't expect better. But you have, at thirty eight years old, to develop more fans than he has right now. They may always be dependent on on the Middle East to make this fight happen. If that money is not there, Uh, that may be one of those fights that unfortunately never comes to fruition. Yeah, I mean I hope that you're wrong because and and and and perhaps it reaches a point where, you know, if enough time has gone by, because when you look at the light heavyweight division, like after I don't know what, like Callum Smith at one seventy five, like it drops off really quickly, like you're you're getting into the like recard blotnecks of the world, like before you even exit the top ten in some cases. Right, So, there aren't a lot of options out there other than one another for these guys, I I would disagree a little bit. I I do think that Better b of be Evil, if it came to Montreal could do a pretty substantial gate here. I do think that a fight that big better BF gets basically daily coverage in the papers here. But what's big? Like, give me a number, well, I mean the Bell Center one million, five million, Like, what are we talking about in terms of dollars? I don't know. I can tell you, like if you go back to the big Pascal and Bootet fights individually, Like I'm not even talking about them together. Boxing matches in the last ten years year have done twenty thousand people at the Bell Center. Yeah, I mean I get that, but like, but you know, look, Jose Ramirez is gonna do like fifteen thousand in Fresno, and that gates gonna be under a million bucks. Like it's it's all about what the number is at the end of the day. Like it. There are great atmospheres. Look Canello versus Billy Joe Saunders seventy thousand plus in Texas a couple of years ago. That was a great atmosphere, But the gate there was significantly less than T Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. So I mean, look, I hear what you're saying, that you could do a good crowd at at Bell Arena or Bell Center rather and and and anywhere really in in that Canadian area. But I just don't see the gate being enough to get to let's just say, hypothetically it's eight million, nine million whatever it is for guarantees for these guys, I just don't see it happening without the Middle East. Yeah, plus you know, plus television money, I will say, And this is just what better BFS campus saying, because you know, I spoke with Mark Ramsey earlier today. He's involved with basically every fight on tomorrow's card. Their line right now is that the only fight they want next is be Evil, and they even mentioned saying we care less about the money than we do about fighting him, And it's not not just because it's be Evil, but because they want his belt. So had his Better b line right now. So perhaps better BF perhaps, and I'm just going off of what they're saying, perhaps better BF is less of an issue, and perhaps it's the Evil that might need to take a little bit of a pay cut. If indeed this is the fight that they want, and people like it's hard to do because you're talking about taking a pay cut for the toughest fight of your career. Basically, no, I know, yeah, which is exactly backwards of how things usually go. Look, be Evil and his team are saying the exact same things. I mean, you know, this past weekend, I spent some time with a Deem Kornilof, who is the promoter of record for Dmitri Bevil. He was there with beck the bully part of his team, and he said the same things we saw. I saw him after Uh, the better b of fight happened. He's like, we want to make that fight happen. Do anything it takes to make that fight happen. Guys say that, but then promoters come to the table and say, look, the entire pot is five million bucks, will you split it that way? And guys tend to walk away and and look better. Be Of, even though I don't think it's a great fight. I mean, the Calum Smith fight is there. It's somewhat marketable. You could do that in Montreal. Uh, you could do that on what I'm gonna guess, ESPN, ESPN plus whatever and still and you could manage that. You could make that fight happen financially, um, and it's somewhat marketable as well. Beeble is the one that is gonna have some trouble over the next three months because if he's got financial demands, who is going to meet them and what opponent is going to be worthy of that? And we've heard some stuff, but Joshua Boatsi over in the UK. I've heard that Beevil doesn't want to go back to the UK. He went there for the fight against Craig Richards. I don't think he loved the experience being there, So take that for whatever it's worth. Um. And besides that, what are we talking about for Dmitri Beevil? What what's interesting is the name I heard mentioned a few times was him Monga. And you've heard this public from you know, Eric Gomez said this and he was kind of channeling Fernando Beltron, who is the co promoter of Him Monia now him Mungia. Be Evil is career suicide for like he's he's done, like he never, he doesn't touch people. People beats the Jesus out of him, especially if it's uh at one. I kind of dismissed that, and I think Team Beevil kind of dismissed it when it first came out, But in the last couple of weeks Corey, I've heard there's real traction to to that fight potentially happening. There are real legs to it. Um, I don't know. You know, Look, both these guys gonna want certain guarantees, and the days of big guarantees, especially with the zone, are over. Um So I don't know if they can get there financially. But does beevil Mungia interest you where people can you know, become like you know, the Mexican destroyer you know over the with Canello and zero already on his resume, honestly and interests me more than most fights against actual current active hundred seventy five pounders for people, you know, for for a variety of reason, seeing Mungia take by far the biggest step up of his career, uh, you know, just having too notable names in the ring against one another. I mean, if that's an option for two of them, go for it and and move for For Mungia, who has taken a lot of flak rightfully, so, whether it's his fault or not, or to whatever degree it's his fault for his opposition, This was silence some of those claims. Right, you're taking on a bigger guy who's coming off a win over over at that time considered to be the best in the world. This is a massive risk that you're taking for that Fright, So I think that that pr wise is good for Mungia. I want to double back on better BF though, because I know people will grown about this. But when we're talking about options for for both guys, I have also heard whispers of the possibility provided that both take care of business, or at least the name I'm about to mention takes care of business better b of Jean Pascal in Montreal. I know, I'm just telling you that name has been mentioned in papers here. Takes care of business? Like, who's he fighting? He has an eliminator coming up of some sort. Yeah, isn't that the one everybody passed on? Passed on it? And it's it's against Michael efforts coming up in one right, that was the IBF eliminated, right, So it's Pascal wins, it's it's it could happen, Chris, I'm good with well, no, I first, I don't think it's gonna happen because Eddie Hearn is gonna lose his mind over Calum Smith, and you know Eddie's kind of the one is probably gonna be flitting a lot of the bills on on that. Well, maybe not, I guess top ranks involved. But like you know, we heard Mauriceo. Suleman say this week said Calum Smith is the mandatory, So I'm gonna assume that, you know, there'll be something ordered to that effect. And that's a better fight than Pascal Frank because Pascal is just done, Like he keeps reviving himself with some of these winds, but he is, in my mind done, and that is not a fight I'm remotely interested to see. So I look, but to your point, better Brief's guest, some options. I don't think Evil has many options at this point, at least not for the first half of the year. If he wants to get a fight before say June, when he'd need to get one before taking time off to go fight Canello, that clock is ticking right now on on him Um before I, by the way, I want him to. Speaking of sanctioning bodies behaving badly, I gotta bring this up to the WBC. Mauriceo Suleman in a press conference said that Dmitri Bevil, if he wants to fight Archer Better Bf for the WBC belts, has to apply for an exemption. This is based on the WBC's decision um not to sanction championship fights, not to rank fights fighters from Russia. This is after the Russia Ukraine War kicked off a lot of other sanctioning bodies, and think all the sanctioning bodies a kind of followed suit um in in that respect, um, the Archer betters Russian, Like, I know, he's a part of your adopted home country there, and he's his adopted home country, your home country, their course. But Archer betters Russian. He was born in Russia. He competed for Russia in the Amateurs, winning a plethora of medals over the course of his time there. Yes, he's been in Canada for like more than a decade, his families there. But can we stop differentiating between Archer Better Beef and Dmitri Beevil? Can we just stop Like what the w BC is effectively saying is if Dmitri Beevil went out and became a citizen of Fiji, then he would be okay on their part, because you'd have a dual citizenship. He can say um Fijian, which I think is the way you say it, or better yet, like the beevile's of Korean descent, if he leaned into that and became a citizen of South Korea, Like, would that satisfy the WBC's claims, like we gotta like I don't have a problem with sanctioning bodies saying Russians or Belarusians can't compete for our titles. It's a stand that you know, Look, I think it's the samerit to it, but it's hypocritical to sit there and say Archer better b of as Canadian, Like it just is Archer better Beef is Russian. He is Russian. If you gave him truth serum, I bet he'd say I'm Russian. Uh, he is, as Russia's Dmitri Beevil. It drives me crazy that the WBC does. I don't know if you have an opinion on that, but I just I that's when I saw that. Well, I think that all they're looking for, which again is just like a token gesture, is just saying that you have a different hometown. You know, It's just saying, you know, to pretend like you're for somewhere else. Apparently to them is the same as like a denouncement of of the Russian regime. It's you know, I I think it's it's a token gesture that is probably not necessary at this By the way, he said, Dmitri Beevil has to for an exemption, implying that he would give him one. So this is not a hard and fast rule that you have about Russians not competing for your titles. And spare me the idea that if better be a Bevil was agreed upon that the WBC wouldn't want to get involved. They want that fee, they want to be part of that fight. They ain't backing out of that under under any circumstances. There. So, Um, one thing on Mungia, while we're talking about him, the obvious fight for Mungia is Gnadi Gallovkin. And we're now into February and we have no idea what Gnardi Golofkin is going to do. I've been told that top rank beginning this month is going to really press for the ib F mandatory, which is FALCOA I believe, and sorry, um and say, you know, look, and the ib F is one of those sanctioning buyers that does follow the rules, and it's it's very possible that that top rank could force either a purse bid situation or uh forcing Gannati to vacate the title. And I doesn't want to do that. He's very proud of those titles. He wants to hold onto them. And I think somewhere in his mind and somewhere in the minds of his team, they believe that somebody's out there that's gonna give him a bunch of money to fight uh Falco or fight who aris Landy Laura. Who's the other mandatory. I don't see it. Like GANARTI burned the bridge with his own pretty good on the way out the door, kind of criticizing them and all the money they paid him. Um, I don't see them swooping in to make a deal. Like Golofkin. He should have been spending the last month trying to kind of deal against Mongia Mangia. Golofkin is an excellent fight at a hundred and sixty pounds. Mongia big guy at one sixty, gotten a lot better over the last five years. Golofkin still pretty good, but not the fighter he was, you know, five years ago, and there's a story there obviously, with Mongia getting shot down to face Golofkin back in in two thousand eighteen. Cory, I don't understand why Golofkin hasn't been just running towards that fight, because a big fight, it's a marketable fight. You could probably convince at least the w b A to give you a break, maybe a pay top rank, to have their guys stand down for a minute. I just don't know. I don't know what his endgame is here, because at some point he's gonna be pressed into one of these mandatories, and these mandatories do not inspire anyone like that. You know, a fight with Withallofkin and and Falco is not great, like a fight with Golofkin and Laura is not great. I just don't understand what the game plan is for Team Golofkin at this point. Yeah, I think there's a lot. There's there's things happening on on several fronts here. I think one is, as you mentioned, just that the lack of opponents that may either engender enthusiasm from the crowd plus pay him the amount of money that perhaps he's used to at at this point, in his career, and he was making a boatload of money for his his last couple of fights. That money may not be out there for him anymore. So I think that that is one issue I can see, you know, like if Top Rank were to make a play for that, I can see, you know, bringing Triple G to ESPN. They could package that in like a big marketing hype Triple G on ESPN for the first time. It could be made into a big deal. Whether that's enough money for him or whether that matchup inspires him, I don't know. Uh, you probably still have to do it. I don't know how they do it on ESPN, Lenard, you probably still have to do it on pay per view, and that's dead. That's dead on pay per view. Yeah. Well, and this is I think the other point that I was getting to with with Golofkin, which is the the stage that he's at in his career. And I'm gonna make a comparison here that to stick with me for a moment, Chris, you and I we both love pop music, right and we were fans love pop music. A phenomenon, A phenomenon in pop music is when you look at kind of the biggest stars in pop or hip hop. They have fans, they have stand culture, right, they have people that really get behind them. And the thing that often drives that kind of fervent fandom is a little bit of friction, right, It's a little bit of debate. And Gallopkin is one of the most commercially successful fighters of this era, one of the most commercially recognizable fighters of this era. But more than that, within the hardcore boxing fan base, one thing that's really driven Triple G over the years has been is fan base because they've always had a cause to take up, whether it's as the fighter who isn't getting enough attention, the fighter that's being ducked, the fighter that they perceived was wronged against Canelo, uh, so on, and so forth. Now, at this point that that Canelo trilogy is done and Triple G is is forty gonna be forty one soon, what is what is the cause for them to take up? And what I'm saying is, so now that he's lost in the biggest commercial fight of his career, and now that he's kind of faded even to the hardcore boxing fans, what slice of that pie is left? What what is the audience left for Triple G and that's kind of what we're talking about. And if it's fractioned a little bit, is that enough to satisfy him? Is it enough to be on linear pay per view? That's really the battle? Is that Even his most fervent supporters, I don't know what they're chewing on anymore. I guess other than yeah, can the old champion beat up the young stud in Mungia or whoever they put in front of him? Can he have one last great stand? That's really what you're selling at this point. I agree. Um, Look, the pay per views for Canelo underperformed, so there's no reason to believe that there is this audience out there still looking to pay for Gailofkin fights. And you know, honestly, he's probably lucky to crack seven figures if he fought his two mandatories, whether it was Falco or uh Laura, I just don't see it. Maybe if it's pay per view, you can squeeze a little bit of money out of it, but I just I don't see it. And that's why I wonder what he wants out of his career. Is forty years old, forty one now? They just turned in December I think he turned He turned forty made the day that he fought in April, so he's he's closing in. He's not gonna fight until his forty first birthday. Um, and his reaction after the Canelo fight suggested he believes there's still something left in the tank. Uh this these sanctioning bodies can and should force the issue over the next few weeks because we got to figure out, you know, what he wants to do with his career. But if if anybody on team Golofkin is listening to this podcast, I know there are some of you that are. You've told me, I know you're out there. Uh, run to the monkey a fight. I know Golden Boys reached out to you. Make that fight happening. Golden Boy, forget this Bevil nonsense like that you're gonna get poor Mongia killed, you know, putting him in there with Dmitri Bevil like. Run to a Golofkin fight, which is a potential star making fight for Mangia and a star continuing fight, Uh for Ganada Gilofkin. All right, I want to talk for a minute about Amanda Serrano. She's back looking for a second straight win after that competitive loss to Katie Taylor when she takes on Erica Cruz. That's at the theater at the Garden. You can watch that onto Zone. This is a significant fight for Amanda, as a win would make her the undisputed champion at hundred twenty six pounds. She would become, excuse me, the first undisputed champion from Puerto Rico at least in the three and four belt era. Uh. A lot of talk these days, Cory about the quotes the greatest woman of all times. Let's play the leg see game with this fight. Would a win and undisputed championship status at one make Amanda Serrano the greatest woman of all time? This is fun when we get to have these the types of debates that you get to have in basketball, right where you get to debate like rings versus stats, or rings versus talent and that kind of thing. That's I'm already I'm already deeply immersed in lebron MJ, which is only gonna get worse. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, So I mean, but this, that's kind of what we're arguing here when it comes to the greatest woman of all time. You know, to do like for me, the best woman that I've ever seen in the ring relative to to her competition, is still Claressa Shields. You know that, Like she is the best woman boxer I I have seen in my lifetime. Amanda Serrano is significantly more decorated as a professional in terms of weight classes than Claressa is. But Claressa undisputed into weight classes. That's that's serious business as well. Plus the two big gold medals during an eraw where she had to fight all of the top amateurs one after another, that has to be taken into consideration as well. I defer to the fact that when you hear Claressa speak and Amanda speak and Katie Taylor speak Chris, it's basically the it's the Spider Man meme of them pointing at one another. You know, as fervent as Claressa is, and and she will say that she is better than than absolutely everyone who's ever fought and bless her heart, I love her attitude on Twitter, but even she will make the conceit that. Hey, if you want to call Katie Taylor the greatest of all time, or you want to call amandas around to the greatest of all time, That's cool with me, and and that's kind of where this debate is at is what do you value more? Yeah? Um, I would agree with that the pecking order of Claressa, Katie Amanda at the moment. Claressa does have those two Olympic gold medals, which has to be factored in. She has been undisputed in multiple weight classes. Um. There is the arguing to be made that even the amateurs, the competition for Claressa was less than what it was for Katie or even Amanda, because unlike in men's boxing, where you know, the talent is north, in the northern weight class, the heavier weight classes not Tash shouldn't say that, but there is a depth of talent in the northern weight classes. This is your most minimum weight propaganda. Again, still give a good bit away shout out to uh our boy Colazzo there for a performance of a lifetime on last weekend. Um. Yeah, Like Claressa is always gonna have kind of that question of of who she beaten, right, I mean, the Savanna Marshall fight was a big, big feather in her cap because Savanta Marshall was a legitimate talent at one sixty. That was an excellent fight in Claressa one convincingly, so you know she's able to keep making progress. So Serrano winning undisputed wouldn't put her above Claressa in my mind. It wouldn't put her above Katie, but it would nudge her further. And I think there's a pathway for Amanda Serranto to be called before the end of her career the greatest woman of all time, because you've got a situation where she wins. There's the rematch with Katie Taylor in Ireland hostile territory. If she could win that fight, and she was ultra competitive in the first one I had. That fight scored a draw. Don't argue with the Katie decision, but she was right there in in the thick of it. If she wins that, maybe she gets a third fight with Katie Taylor, Maybe she wins that. After that, maybe she goes down to one thirty. Maybe Alicia baumb Gardner is still there, Maybe Mikhaela Mayor is still there. Like there are a couple other fights out there, sequence of fights that could elevate Amanda Serranto to that status. You have to consider that the seven way classes is tremendous, as many paki out territory, although you know, some will be quick to point out that many of those times were vacant, which has to be factored in as well. But let's put it this way. If Serrano wins Saturday against Eric Cruz and then she goes to Ireland and beats Katie Taylor, and then she beats Katia Teller again in let's say September October of this year, she's the greatest because you are who you beat, Like she'd be undisputed in two way classes like Claressa would be, and she'd have beaten the number two women and maybe right now the number one woman pound for pound in Katie Taylor two times. So that's a long way of saying I don't think she's there yet, but there's like a three fight path for her to be eventually finished her career as the greatest woman of all time. Yeah. I think that that's a really good point that Claressa is kind of hitting her head on what she can do right and now that would enhance her legacy even greater. You know, at March she needs you know what she needs, Corey, She needs Savannah Marshall to move up and wait fight Franshawn Cruise discern beat Franshawn Cruise desserned, so Claressa could move up and wait again and fight for the undisputed championship at one sixty eight against Savannah Marshall and their friends right there, they're they're close friends. They want Big Mind to do that. But yeah, I think it's a very good point that Serrano and her career has shown that she has a career basically unlike any other fighter man or woman, with with the way that she's jumped between weights whoever she fought upon doing so, that has to be considered. You know, going for one forty to one fifty and basically between fights is absurd, and and to perform at a high level still and to do it while wearing air Jordan's all absurd overall, you know, absolutely wild. But you're right that within her neighborhood, within her grasp, that she's shown that she can get to these weights. Most of the best women's fighters of today, in the most recognizable names are names that she could theoretically fight, So yeah, there there is a path for her. And even in losing to to Katie Taylor, Amanda Serrano didn't look like a fighter like to me that was on the down swing or anything like that. Yeah, there's a path for her to enhance her resume in a way that, through no fault of clarsss uh, she can't quite match with the current options out there right now, and that's that's something to consider. Yeah, I know she said after a tailor fight she's done fighting anywhere above six. But like, let's say hypothetically bumb Gardner still has those titles at one thirty, Like, you're not gonna go up to fight Alicia bumb Gardner at one thirty speed a championship. I mean, what are we in this game for? You go up to Katie, not go to one thirty for for bum Gardner. I think that's a uh. And look, money always talks and and maybe that's something that could be arranged as well. Last thing I want to hit you with Jake Paul Tommy Fury. Are you ready to respect Jake Paul if he beats Tommy Fury, Well, that change your opinion of Jake Paul If it changes Tommy Fury. Now I have I am a card tearing member as you know Corey of the Jake Paul fan club, I don't believer, Like I don't think he's gonna beat Canello. I don't think he's on the pound for pound list. But the guy works hard, He's got a good team around him. He's knocking out guys that have some combat sports skills. His resume, in my mind, is better than Tommy Furies, who's got a whole bunch of hobo's on that resume. Um, is this the fight that if Jake wins, uh, the boxing community will give him props for. I think it will certainly help, because, Yeah, whether Tommy Furies resume being what it is, he's still viewed as a real boxer. You know, he's boxed his entire life. He looks like someone who boxes when he faces him. Some of Jake, brother of Tyson, son of John whole nine yards. Yeah. Well, and and I think what we're seeing too is that the boxing community, at least a portion of it, is almost backing Jake over Tommy Fury. They think they're right. I was saying, like, I I think that this is just what we see online, and and given what's happened multiple times with this fight, I think you I think you're not wrong for assuming that Jake the sport more seriously than does Tommy. So if one is a real body, what do the missweight last time by eight pounds, like for his last fight? Like, that's not taking the sports seriously. Jake is cutting down to certain weights, willing to go up to certain weights. I mean, I've been to Puerto Rico. I've been in that gym. I see how hard the guy works. Again, not saying he's super talented or ever will be super talented, but he's getting the most out of whatever talent that he has. I don't think that's the case for Tommy Fury, who, despite his last name, he's really like just he's a reality star, is what he is. He's from Love Island, like, and then he's into boxing because it's the family business. And um, he's done a nice job building himself up in that way. But I make Jake Paul the favorite in this fight. I do. And I think Jake Paul is going to spend the next whatever it is, three weeks, four weeks, whatever it is till that fight, um, crawling into the brain of Tommy Fury. He's already doing it. He's he's replying to a post that his Jake Tommy Fury is what girlfriend or like when they had the birth of there had their Jake pauls underneath it saying, just in time does his dad get knocked out? Like he is going to be right up in that three inches of real estate whatever, whatever real estate you've got in your brain. Uh, and he's gonna be all in Tommy Fury's head. And I look, you listen to some of the public comments from John Fury, Tyson Fury, you get the sense they're nervous about this, Like Tyson Fury is out there saying Tommy better take this seriously, man, Like he better not funk around in this training camp. He better take this this seriously or else you know, bad things are gonna happen. And I do think that's probably gonna be the outcome because I've seen Tommy's fights, like he's big and strong looking, but doesn't have a lot of pop, Like he's don't get four knockoff to date fights, and he's not fighting guys of a high level caliber. So I think Jake is is deservedly a favorite to win this fight and and this will it'll beesting to see what the boxing communities reaction would be after he wins. Yeah, And I think this is this is an important moment in Jake's boxing career because Fury, I think, represents the perfect opponent and really the only opponent he could take at this point in his career, because he's too good to just feast on O and O mm A fighters, and he's way too good to be feasting on former athletes that are not boxers at all. He's reached the point where he's too famous to just fight any boxer, right, That's not what he wants. It doesn't quite make enough money, I think, for for what he wants, for what the networks want, etcetera, etcetera. But Tommy represents the perfect Venn diagram of celebrity and considered to be a real boxer. I mean, like Tommy is actually not that different from a lot of fighters, Like on the UK scene, they just have a lot of wins over Journeyman that they basically financed themselves and they get to that. But there are a lot of fighters like Tommy Fury and we consider them to be real boxers. Tommy Fury is more famous probably as a reality star that he has as a boxer. But again to that point, he represents the perfect blend that Jake needs right now. Now after this, who fits that mold? I think after you beat Tommy Fury, Jake may actually have to take a step into just facing a real box you know, Tommy Fury. Tommy Fury gives him his bona fides. Tommy Fury, to your point, is perfect. I think after this, you start going back after n DZ and you start looking at ks really you start going, oh yeah, yeah, like we look, he's never gonna like I wouldn't put it past a sanction by to rank him at some point because they are shameless when it comes to that stuff. But like he doesn't need that. Like Nate Daz gets one shot at boxing, why wouldn't you make it against Jake Paul someone theoretically you could have some success with. We know that k S I is building towards a match with Jake Paul. He beat Logan what was it four years ago? Now three and a half years ago. Now he's been getting back and staying active. City's one more fight before he's ready for Jake. So I could see Jake doing Tommy Fury doing a DAZ and doing kside for the end of the year and probably make more money than anybody. But Canello really like think about it, maybe Tyson and was sick if they go in Saudi Arabia, but more more than anybody else in boxing. I mean, it's just a question of like Chris, like, how quickly does he want those bona fides? Right? I mean? And again I want to I I you know, I forgot this when I was talking about but again he tried to fight and seen Rockman Jr. Right now, we saw what he did that wasn't his faults his fault. So again it's, yeah, do you wanna go and take out those names that you assume that you could be there basically the same types of guys you're fighting before, m m A fighters, other influencers, so on and so forth. Or do you really want to take a stab at someone a little bit more legitimate and the money is going to be really tempting to do the former? Yeah, you're legitimate boxers, don't bring any money to the table. Seem Rockman would have died on pay per view and done a poor gate at MSG like this will establish Jake as the quote unquote legitimate boxer. It will be that he beat the real boxer. He did it, and then he can go back to his universe and beating up on guys that have no chance of actually beating them. Corey, good job, man, um. You will be on the call again. What ESPN plus is that where the Alontes Fox fite will be. That's right, Alantes Fox, Eric Binnian tomorrow or right whenever it. Listen to a Thursday night on ESPN Plus starting at seven o'clock, tune in excellent. I will be at Madison Square Garden for Immanis Serranto and Erica Cruz, where Katie Taylor will be in attendance. So maybe we'll get a little I mean, Katie proad to shake her handgover a hug. That's not how Katie operates. He's not gonna there's not gonna be any kind of where were we quiet Cannon. You know, little face offs in the ring at Tom Loffler shows in southern California won't be any of that animosity. They're just a nice handshake and a smile. And we'll see in Ireland in May. Corey, good stuff, man, good to talk to you, all right, We'll see you soon and when we come back my conversation with Alicia bomb Gardner. Alright, it is Super Bowl season and this year the only app you need at your Super Bowl party is FanDuel, America's number one sports book. Download FanDuel now and use promo code boxings you can bet super Bowl fifty seven, would they know sweat first? Bet? You'll get up to three thousand dollars back in bonus bets if your first bet doesn't win. 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I don't know if there's any even like close right now, like I would say in boxing period, Yes, it's it's men's are women's Like, are you surprised? It's risen Like it's a combination of events, right. It was the build up to the last fight, the cancelation to build up again, and then how close the the fight was. It's just become a monster in boxing. Yes, it tells a story. And if you go back and like you mentioned, you know, having the fight in London, the cancelation, the comeback, the more you know animosity between us two and then obviously me becoming unified, It just it tells the whole story and it's great for boxing. Well, the last event you two were at together in Arizona where props got involved was great too, like and that's just perfect social media. Yeah, yeah, that was great too, because do you say her kind of being in you know you are now you were the hunt hunter back then going after her. Now you are squarely the hunted at this point, and you kind of have a lot of the power in the situation. Yeah, you know, I just feel like eventually the roles were gonna switch. I was going to be the one being hunted, and um, I knew that that was coming. But I but I'm well prepared though, And I like that somebody wants to fight me, somebody wants to challenge me, because that's who I am. I'm a competitor and I love a challenge. How was the last year so kind of changed your life? Because you've been boxing for a while, but you really burst on the scene with the Terry Harper knock out that went viral because of spectacular it was. And then you know, you win a fight against michaela fight that I think as many people, at least in the US, we're looking forward to as much as they were Shields Marshall. How much has that changed your your entire career, your entire life. Yeah, I would say just within the year, Um, it's changed tremendously, just with you know, boxing, outside of boxing, just the recognition that women's boxing is getting and how much eyes we have put on the sport. I tell everybody this is a movement. This is a movement that I'm part of, that every woman who stepped in the ring is a part of. And so it's not just what is it doing for my career, but what am I doing for the sport? What am I doing too? You know, be an inspiration to young girls and just the younger generation to look up to. How much do you see that? Because at a lot of women's fights where top women are on the card, you do see a lot of young girls in the crowd wearing a T shirt with your name on it or running up. Do you get a picture like? How much are you seeing that? More and more of the last couple of years. Yeah, I've seen it so much. Um. I was actually when I was in Arizona, I trained with two um amateur girls and we went for a run and I thought it was just awesome just seeing these young girls like I was at that age, you know, striving to be great at something, and I think it's just it reminds me of who I was as a young girl. I'm like, wow, I'm just seeing it more and more now and because of the women in front of us, in front of me has given me that platform, that inspiration. Now I'm able to give that back. And that's what it's about. Could you have imagined when you were young and coming up that this would be not the end game for you because you got a lot more years to go, but you know, fighting at the garden, you know, in a co made event type of situation, for not to speed a championship even in like something your your best case scenario was this up there on it or was this there? I've never seen this, Like everything that I'm witnessing and experiencing is something so new and something I would never even thought of. But I think that's what's great about just the journey and the process, that what you think you want, God has something better, And I'm just like, I see the bigger picture now. It's always what is the bigger picture? You talk about the journey? And I was watching some video of your story and I was looking at the on your fridge. You have a bunch of notes up there. Tell me about that. Tell me about kind of how that started and how many notes eventually wound up on your fridge. Yeah, so I actually right, I have been journaling for years, um, just as a young girl, and I just know turned that into a book some day, yeah. Um, And I just know how important it is to speak about it, right about it, and um, really visualize your life changing in those in those times. And I've have written so many things that have came to fruition and I'm just blessed. And so as I was preparing for this fight with MICHAELA, you know, I would write on a stick, you know, Unified world champion MICHAELA. Mayor is getting knocked out just to to remind me why I am here and what I'm what that reason is, and um, it just it motivates me every day and it just makes me read it, visualize it, and just put it out there because this fight, feel this fight coming up for disputers just feel like everything you've worked for to be in something like this. Yes, it feels like I can take a deep breath. Okay, got past that level of this level. Now I'm here. Here's another level, another challenge. What are we going to do different? How are we going to be better? And how can we you know, make a statement? What brought you to Detroit? I mean you train out of there? Tony's Jim Tony Harrison your your trainer again? Was I told you one of my favorite fighters of all time? Great guy? Um, what brought you to to that gym? Yeah? So, just coming from a small town in Ohio, I had to know I had to move. I had to get out of this small town to make something on myself. And you know, the next big city was Detroit, and so I knew that Detroit was a place for opportunity, a place of grit that I've already had. And so I made my way through Detroit, went to a few gyms and ended up at super Bad and just really made my mark there in a home there. It's rare that a fighter is trained by another active fighter. I mean, Tony is going to fight for an interim title in a couple of months in in Australia. Do you see that? What are the benefits of that? I guess having someone close to your age who's active in your corner many benefits. You know. I would have ever thought that I would have, you know, um, a fighter as my trainer as well, But it works perfectly. And I think because as a fighter we have a different type of mentality, a different mindset when we're going into a fight, even when we're sparring, and what we're seeing, what Tony seeing, he has, you know, a trainer's I just like his father did. And I think, um, that helps him as well as it helps me, and so it just it just matches. It just works. And as long as it works in the corner he's given me instructions, I listen and I can go do it. It's a cake walk. The last belt that you're fighting for is vacant currently, the w B A belt it was owned or possessed. I should say bye bye Choi, the South Korea and fighter. Um. I think the only thing that got you and MICHAELA mayre on the same page as mutual dislike for joy and frustration. I guess that she wouldn't fight, are you? How do you feel about this being a vacant title and not being able to take it off Joy? You know, Um, I told myself eventually that was probably going to happen. But as long as I kept preaching that I was going to be undisputed, we were going to make this undisputed ified. Even if I had to go to the convention to speak on the behalf of this undisputed fight. I was going to do that. So again, you know, Michelet has a chance to um, you know, become world champion, and this is just as good as for her, Like I'm happy she can have an opportunity, a good pay day and um, you know a chance to fight it to Hulu theater. But again, you know it was gonna happen. You're not shy about speaking at conventions. I was. I didn't see this happen live, but I was on Twitter. You know where I'm going with this? When uh you see that, you know, at least a bomb Garder stands up for Tony Harrison at the WBC can mention? Tell me about that? What prompted you to to stand up and speak out for your guy? Yeah? So I'm like at the convention, I'm like, okay, there one fifty four. That's Tony's division, and you know we you know, every Tony fan wants to know when he's fighting next, as do I. So they're like, you know, as anyone here representing Tony. I'm like, shoot, I'm here, I might as well. So I went up there and I tried to hose him a little bit. They tried to say he's not ready to fight. I'm like, no, he's ready. He's definitely ready. I trained with this man, um, but yeah, it was just an opportunity to speak on um on behalf of Tony And again, that's what teammates do, that's what you do, and um, you support one another. I love that. What um, So Micha lead in front of you this Saturday? What kind of fight are you expecting for her? She's been in with Delphine Pursue and lost that fight, But what are you expecting from her as an opponent. I'm expecting her to you know, obviously she's tough and I'm expecting her to come forward and just really win. However that looks like for her, she wants to win, so it could be anything. But I'm well prepared for anything with this girl. And um, I actually like this fight because she's coming to fight, She's coming to dethrone me, but that won't happen. So is this a situation where you want to win undisputed and then go do other things? Are you looking to stay at one thirty, defend your titles? What's kind of your long range plan for yourself? Yeah? So I would like to um defend my titles maybe once or twice UM the or if the opportunity to go up to Katie Taylor, I would like that as well. I think it's important that we utilize this window that I'm in and that's what I would love to do and just make these these fights. You know, I'm very ambitious. I love to fight. I love a challenge, and you know, women's boxing has started so well and just need to continue that needle moving forward with these great challenging fights and that Katie fight. Look, everybody's talking about Katie and Serrano and that's what most people want to see in Ireland in May. But there's no deal yet for Katie and Serrano. And you work with the same manager as Katie, and from what I hear like it's it's at least an outside chance that we could see you in the ring with Katie Taylor. Is that kind of the vibe that you're getting there at least a chance that that that fight could happen. I would say so. I think, you know, I always see the bigger picture of things, and I again visualized me fighting Katie again. She's a great fighter, she has a great resume, She's done a lot for the sport and I love that and again, I love a challenge. I want to fight her. I want to feel her power. I want to see what what the what the noise is about? Noise is a great word because you know you if you fight her, you'd have to be in Ireland. I'm guessing more Katie Taylor fans in Ireland than than at least Bombarder. Yes, but we know all about going into people's backyard, don't we. Yes, you do. Last question for you? When? So? When or if does MICHAELA mayor re enter your mind? And in terms of fight, does does she have to do something too effectively earn an opportunity or is it just a feeling that you would get. You know, I don't think she needs to do anything. Again, this is the boxing business. We have to really take that in an accountability Right. When I took my loss, I was like offered like three years. I was just slowly getting myself back. So you know, maybe her promoter works a little faster than most. But you know, I don't mind the rematch because I know I'll beat her again and I would honestly feel bad for her mental I know her mental state right now is not the best. So if I would beat her again and really finish her, I don't know she can move forward with that. But um, however it's supposed to go, it will go. I don't really you know, I talk. I'm in the meetings with my promoters and managers and stuff. But UM, I'm all for it. I like to fight. Would you do it? Would you prefer to do it at one thirty or one thirty five where she just moved up to either one? Listen, me beating at thirty five and her weight or whatever would be even better because I can make that way easy. Greatest rivalry in boxing first up, though at least you're going for the undisputed championship Saturday onto Zone. Good luck to you and I appreciate your time. Thank you, and when we come back. This week's picks brought to you by fan Duel. Time now for this week's picks brought to you by our friends over at fan Duel, and this week I am looking at the show on Friday, the top ranked show super featherweight title fight, Emmanuel Neverette against Liam Williams. Neverette is he's just a massive favorite in this fight. Minus six hundred according to fan Duel, so betting him to win isn't going to get you much. Betting him to win by knockout is a better chance to make some money. Never at by knockout is minus to sixty right now, over at fan Duel, he's got thirty six wins, thirty wins by way of knockout. Wilson has been stopped before by a much lesser puncher than Navarette, so I think at some point Navarette gets to Wilson in the middle to late rounds of this fight and picks up a knockout and gains a hundred and thirty pound titles. So those are my picks this week, brought to you by fan Duel. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Corey Erdman and Alicia baumb Gardner for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcast, and I'll see you next week.