Mannix and Sergio Mora discuss Vergil Ortiz’s shocking withdrawal from his title fight with Eimamtas Stanionis and if his battle with rhabdo could force Ortiz to retire. #Volume #Herd
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It's my island. As the Matt Irishman said in the movie Braveheart Mannix, you're Irish. You should appreciate that, the fighting Irish, the fighting spirit. I appreciated what I saw in Quigley's performance, and yeah, man, I mean I may have over praised them, but when you're a fighter, you must respect. When a fighter's supposed to be blown out of the water, he's already been knocked out before by lesser competition, and lesser punchers quickly followed the game plan. I may have overpraised them, but I as a fighter, I gotta respect that man.
He won three rounds. In my opinion, even if you ran, you were talking during that fight, like Jason Quigglely. Was I even believe you used the word masterclass at one point you maybe did. You told me, I remember this because I have never to bring people behind the curtain. I have never screamed so loudly into the talk back button as I did during this fight because I didn't want to get into it with you over and over again. But you said, I think after the seventh round, and I used this phrase, beat came the beast, he said, Dame the beast. He was down like five rounds to two at that point. But you said that Jason Quigley had tamed the beast.
Hey, listen, whenever you're knocking out everyone in the first round, you're a beast. Correct Like Berlanga sixteenth straight knockouts first round. Done it?
In four fights though.
Okay, but not in the four fights because it's uh.
By that definition, demon Nicholson tamed the beast, and listen, if you can go the Romerangulo tame the beast, you know what, if you can go the distance, Sarah's tamed the beast, you because Sarah's actually did tame the beast down Berlin gun hurt him ten more seconds because Sarahs would have won that fight. But look, yes, I got a little carried away. You gotta understand Mann. I'm I'm a fighter and I'm a broadcaster now. So as a fighter, I'm impressed by what I'm seeing and I gotta give credit to to to fighters like quickly. But as a broadcaster, I also gotta you know, also got to check my emotion. Here's my problem. You get the equivalent every time you see a fighter that throws a jab and moves a little bit, you get the equivalent of a boxing erection, because that is how is how you fought.
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Shoo No, because that's how you fought like you were one of the best at sticking and moving using your jab. That's how you won. The contender became a world champion. So anytime you see even the slightest trace of that, you get a boxing erection.
Because I respect it. Whenever I see guys like, you know, fighters like Brat Solomon, who got I forgot who was doing well against Virgil Ortiz, I gotta give him credit. Whenever, you know, I see fighters that are doing well against Triple G, you know, I gotta give them credit. Against Canelo, I gotta give him credit. It takes a lot to extinguish the power and the and and and the ferocity of a puncher. And you know, usually guys that don't have power, that are not got artists control that better. They know how to deal with that power. So yes, I had to give quickly some.
My only problem with that was I never I never once thought quickly was gonna win the fight. I thought he was doing no. During the fight, I didn't think he was gonna win it, Like I thought he was throwing a decent jab. But as soon as the punch numbers came up there it was like I.
Never listened to the story of punch numbers.
They don't but they don't tell the full body of evidence. But they are a piece of evidence to use.
It's one piece of the power.
Numbers were vastly a favorite.
Tool for for for the layman fan to look and say, oh wow, he threw four hundred punches. But I mean, fighters don't study copy box numbers and how they don't.
But it's a piece of evidence we can use as commentators too.
Of the evidence you can use as a fighter. I know what I'm watching, and I know what.
It's pretty clearly you don't know what you're watching because you're way over the top with Jason Quigley, but you know it happens from time to time. Listen, I'm the guy that had Billy Joe Saunders up on Canelo when that fight was stopped. So we all, we all have our human moments. We were we're here in San Antonio, and we were here to see a fight that didn't need copy box numbers, necessarily, didn't need judges necessarily. Virgil Ortiz versus Amants Staniona's secondary title on the line in the welterweight division Surgery. This was gonna be a rock 'p soccer robot type of fight. You had two guys that were power punchers, two guys that could finish, two guys that power late in fights, and it was gonna be special until Wednesday morning, I should say Thursday morning, when we found out that Virgil Ortiz needed to be hospitalized and he could not go ahead with this fight because of undisclosed issues at the moment while we record this, we believe it has some connection to the raapdough illness that Ortiz has been dealing with over the last year and a half. It caused him to back out of his first schedule fight with Michael mckinson. It forced the postponement of this fight back in March, and it seemingly has had something to do with this fight being either postponed or canceled. We're not exactly sure, so I guess right off the bat, Sergio, your reaction to Ortiz stanionis a fight that seems snake bitten, because this is now the third time it's been called off in the last six months. Your reaction to that there.
Are times out of charm and sometimes you know, certain fights are just cursed from beginning, and this is one of them. Because yes, it's a fight of the year type fight. We know that's actually I was kind of leaning towards Stanionis and a lot of fighters that I was listening to a lot of interviews by champions, they were actually leaning towards Stanionis as well. I loved what I was watching in tapes when I was seeing just the jab, the body punches all he gets in angles. He doesn't just come straight in aggressively like Ortiz. Ortiz has been evolving as well, you know, with the power jab and then taking that power job to the body like he did against Kavalowskis. He was gonna need that against Stanionis. But this was gonna be a serious train wreck of a boxing event, and it's a damn shame that it had to get postponed. But here's the thing, Mannix and I've been I've been here before. I lost my title on the scales. I looked like shit when I fought against Mosley because I wasn't a one to fifty four pounder. Virgil Ortiz is not a welterweight anymore. He's not a one forty seven pounder anymore. He's known this for several fights now. But you know, his youth is his youth and his hunger and the opportunities that have kept them in that division. But this this rap, though, I don't know exactly what it is, but I've never heard of it. I've never seen or heard of any fighters suffer through through this disease or infection or whatever it is. I have in my career seen fighters faint several times. I've almost fainted a couple of times. Lighthead and making weight right, trying to make exactly because look, you know, making weight is a science and you have to kind of when you're young, you get away with it, but you have to kind of taper down at the right time to hit the mark on that Friday before that fight. And it's a science. And if you don't do it the way that that you've planned on doing it, the way that you've been doing it since you're a kids, an amateur, it messes with your head, it messes with your with your body, the way your body reacts, and then it ultimately affects that you need that fighting spirit. If you don't have your head's not in it, your body's not in it, then you're not going to have the confidence, especially when it comes to the second half of the fight where you want to turn it on, but you're like, oh, wait a minute, how's my conditioning going to react? How's my leg's going to react. I might as well just take it easy and risk losing and winning a bad fight than losing a good one. And or Tease wasn't gonna be in a good fight, so I think it was a right decision for him as a fighter to postpone this fight once again. But in the business sense of it, this is a totally different thing. Promoters hate canceling main events in the last minute because the fans miss out, the network misses out, everyone that enjoys and loves this sport misses out, and it's a bad look. Man. I've been there before, and if you do it one too many times, you don't get the opportunities like you used to get because you're not reliable.
So you mentioned rabdo and the mysteriousness around that illness. People that listen to the Wednesday version of this podcast heard from virginl or Ts, who I talked to about a week or so ago in that interview, and I asked them specifically for people that don't know, how would you describe what rab doo does to your body?
Take a listen, all.
Right, I'll explain it scientifically. So basically, my muscles start breaking down or who you know, whoever's happened to the muscle start breaking down. It starts like the muscles start secreting or whatever proteins to like your kidneys and your livers, and I mean, you need all organs to survive, but those are like some of the vinel ones out there, you know, you know, And for me, it just felt like my my body was shutting down, like my reflexes were going, my my strength was going, energy levels were going, just going up the stairs like a seven step stairs. It was. It was a task I would I would literally get like shorter breath after doing that, and you know, obviously being a professional athlete, that's not supposed to happen. And of course, if I can't get up a fighter stairs about you know, my breath going away, Imagine he's farring and training the way I trained, you know, And there was there was absolutely no way of me fighting. Trust me, if there was any chance, any sliver of a chance of me fighting those two times, because this happened twice already, I would have fought. But it was impossible.
So there's this explanation, Sergio. And you know, obviously a follow up to that is, you know, after two bouts of this and having to step drop out of two fights, does Ortiz feel like he's got it under control? Does he feel healthy? I asked him that.
I feel I'm just I'm ready to go. I'm mentally and physically just ready.
So let's play this out. Then there are two ways to look at it. If this is connected to rabdo, this could be a situation, Sergio where maybe Virgil Ortis has to consider retiring. I mean, I know that's a strong statement, but if you're dealing with an illness that has forced you out of fights three times in the last year or so that you clearly don't have a firm control over. If it's connected to the reasons in back out of this fight, doesn't it become career threatening? Don't you look at that and say, you know, maybe this guy can't continues twenty five years old.
Only that mannex, But it's in his head now, So anytime he starts training extremely hard in camp, he's gonna have that in the back of his head. And like I said, you know, when a fighter stars starts thinking about weakness, it enters your spirit and enters your stream, your bloodstream.
Man.
And let's go back on this rap though. Thing. If the little I read about it, protein's getting into your blood and then that can actually affect your organs. Man, that sounds dangerous. It is. You'll need to be a doctor to know that. If anything is in your blood stream. I mean when you get blood taken out, if a little oxygen is in the needle and gets in your blistering, that could be hazardous. I can only imagine you know, proteins and everything else that can go wrong. This is above my pay grade, Mannux, but it sounds dangerous. And if Virgil Ortiz felt the need to cancel three times already, thing, yes, this is cost for concern, not only for him as a human as a fighter, but for the promoters giving him his day, the people investing in them. This is a dangerous situation that it seems that he doesn't have control over. So yeah, whether you like to admit it or not, and say the word retirement. If this is gonna be a continuing thing, hey, listen, man, God may have other plans for you, and your health comes first. Now.
The reason I believe this is connected to that illness is because I was told earlier in the week Ortez was significantly overweight, you know, seven eight pounds over that one hundred and forty seven pounds limit. And for a guy that young, who has had so long to train, Like this wasn't a fight that was scheduled quickly. I mean, Ortiz hasn't fought since last August. He has been preparing for this fight for months. For him to be that and and he you know, you've known him for years now. He's not the kind of kid that screws around, like he works hard. Yeah, he works hard. Like for him to be that overweight early in a fight week, I mean, and I say this only half kiddingly, like you were overweight going into your fight week, but that's because your fight was sponsored by Caesars Palace and you know, totally different, it's a totally different story altogether. Rebelotez has been preparing for this fight, which is this is his forest one in a way, this is his title shot, Like, this is his opportunity to become a world champion, to face the toughest opponent of his career. Like there's no doubt in my mind he was preparing as diligently as you possibly couldn't to be that heavy that early in the week. That tells me something seriously wrong. That tells me something is is messed up on your in size. That's this isn't a guy that like has made one forty seven one too many times. Like if he came in like one forty eight, like I'd be like, all right, oh, maybe this should be a last fight at one forty seven, Maybe you shouldn't stay a well, are waiting longer. But the fact that he's like in the one fifties at the start a fight week, that that doesn't make any sense to me? Is it to you? No?
It doesn't. And and this is where you got to go back to a history of a fighter and the resume of a fighter and what has he done in the past. Uh, virgual Ortiz comes to perform, he comes to seek and destroy. He's fan friendly, he's building a fan base. Golden Boy loves him, they support him, fans love him. He's he's he's a future champ. He's guaranteed. So it's not like he missed weight. And then you know, I've been known to to really get on fighters that that are over two or three pounds because then they didn't even try making weight. I guess Javier Fortuna was one fighter that I really got on because he had a history of that and that was just because of a responsibility and a lack of discipline. This is not Virgil Ortiz. He has a passion for fighting and performing performing. He'll take He'll take on all comers. He wants to fight Bud Crawford for God's sake, He'll fight anybody. So you have to believe what he says. And I believe and respect his illness is sickness. I respect everything that comes out of Team more Ties. So we got to take him for his word. I don't care if you want to play the biggest hater and the have the Devil's advocate and bring up everything else. No, you listen to that young man because the proof is in the pudding. He's a born fighter and he's struggling with an illness.
Brutal break for stanionis too, who hasn't fought since last April. He was on the jodanis Ugas Errol Spence undercard. That was back in April of twenty twenty two, so he's been off for fifteen months. And yeah, I was talking to members of his team in the hotel lobby earlier today, and they were like, look if if if it was a weight thing, we would have been happy to fight.
Him in We just want to fight Manx. Let me tell you a lot of money in the line. I've been on that flip side as well. You know, I was. I was supposed to fight Kelly Pavlik and Jermaine Taylor for a middleweight championship. Both those fights got canceled the week of the fight. I can only imagine getting canceled the night before the fight. It's so dispiriting. And if it happened already more than one time, three times for standionis it it's a it's a waste of money in camp, it's a waste of energy and making weight, it's a it's a waste of mental focus. And these are all things that that really, uh, they really take it out of a fighter because you never know when that's gonna happen again. And when you're in the middle of a camp, middle of sparn you're like, should I keep going harder or should I just start tapering down now? Because you never know what's gonna happen. I mean, this is a livelihood and and believe in man if it happens more than once you start losing the love and passion for training hard because you know that it can be taken away from you.
You know they're calling this a postponement, but they should just scrap it. You can't. You can't make another fight with virtual ortise right now, not a high level fight. I mean, you try, you can't put someone through that.
You know, if I thought about this already, Mannix, I think Golden Boys should make Stanionis Alexis Roacher. That's that's the fight because Roacha has been climbing the ranks, he's been looking great. He's he's knocking on a title door. He wants to fight Bud Crawford. I don't think that's great. He's ranked highly. Alexis roach a baby, and that should be quickly give it to us. Stanionis, listen, stay in the gym. We're gonna get you back in maybe you know, in next month or in the next two months.
Standy OS's team was like, we need to fight, like next week or two weeks from now. We got to get out, like you know, our guy needs to fight. He's been training hard for multiple months. He's had multiple postponements, like we got to get this guy back in the ring. I love the idea of Standioni's roadchups. I mean that's two top contenders at one forty seven and yeah, another really good, can't miss type of fight. So and we know Alexis Roach has no problem stepping in. You know, when opportunity knocks hell.
He's done it before. He's done it before, and that's what he that's what he kind of lives for. So yes, give me that fight. I'll love that fight. Roch.
All right, this card is gonna go on on Saturday. It's gonna be headlined by Floyd Schofield, who is getting an interesting opportunity in this fight. Floyd's Goofield undefeated one hundred and thirty five pounder.
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We called the Floyd's Goofield fight a couple of fights ago Sergio, and he's impressive, got a lot of skills. I was more struck by his confidence. Floyd Schofield and his father who trains him, both believe that he is destined for greatness, that he is the next big thing in all of box. And he talked about fighting Devin Haney right away. He thought about talking about fighty shak Or Stephenson right away. He's going to be the main event, which is, you know, an opportunity for him to for him to headline, so he's going to be able to take take advantage of that. What do you make of Floyd Schofield? Do you think he has the goods to back up all that talk?
So far, so good. He gives me a he gives me a similar impressions of Devin Haney. You know, they were kind of, you know, destined for greatness. They spoke about, you know, being a champion young. They have all the talent in the world and they have the look. They have that look, not only the look, but the name. You know, they have the name. You know, Floyd Scholfield, the Schoolfield kid, That's what I would call him, not the Schoofield's a gun you know that, right?
Yeah, I got it.
I like that, a young gun man, and I think I think you could promote them. Well, Golden Boy has something special with him and flashes of Devon Ay that's what I see with him.
Well, there'll be some decent fights on the show. Jojo Diaz back in action at one thirty five, Marlonusparza in a titled Unification fight going for three belts in one hundred and twelve pound division, So it will be an interesting show, I think on Saturday here in San Antonio. Text, but Whi's the best for virgeloties before let you go, Sergio. It was announced on Thursday that we have a heavyweight fight between Anthony Joshua and Dillion White. This is a rematch of a twenty fifteen fight, one by knockout by Anthony Joshua. Both these guys have fallen on some hard times as of late. You know, Joshua's got the two losses to Alexander Usik. You've got Dillion White who's been knocked out in two of his last four fights, albeit at a pretty high level, Alexander Pervekin and of course Tyson Fury. The reason I like this fight is because it feels very win or go home for both guys. To me, Like, if Anthony Joshua loses, is he really going to rebuild at thirty three years old? If Dillion White loses, is he really going to stick around to become a gatekeeper for Jared Anderson. You know, maybe, but I look, I don't think either one of these guys will not for the money it's likely going to be offered, So it feels like a big fight O two Arena August twelfth, live on his own and his own pay per view. But it does feel like to the winner goes the spoils. That is a potential lucrative payday against Deontay Wilder in December or January. To the loser maybe a seat on the couch, the broadcast booth, something, because it doesn't feel like there's many places for the loser to go. How do you look at it?
Yeah, it's definitely a winner go home. And for Dillion White, you know, he's been here before, he's already been stopped. He's been to the top and he's come up short. But he's still good enough to compete with top contenders. He still makes a lot of money and then he climbs back up. When he got knocked out in twenty fifteen, he won what ten straight fights, winning against solid competition. He earned he earned his championship fight against Pavekan, got knocked out, came right back and won. So the guy is great to watch. He has the goods, he has the talent, and in that fight with Joshua, he rocked Joshua.
He right.
He really hurt Joshua. I think it was a left hook, but he has a long reach, he has the power, and he can take a big punch. Dillion White's gonna be very dangerous, dangerous fight for Joshua because both these guys aren't our shell of what they used to be. And I tell you all the time, once a fighter gets knocked out and they get chinny from there on, So expect both these fighters to get chinny as soon as they get touched by something big, and something big will land. These guys are just too damn big at six foot four plus and two hundred and fifty plus for them not to hurt each other. So it might not be the heavyweight bonanza fight that you want, you know, with all the great names that are a heavyweight, but you're still gonna watch. You're still gonna watch.
It's probably the most the best, most makeable fight out there for Bright. I mean, we're thinking about it and talking about it in the U in the UK. It's a big fight. It's gonna sell out O to arena, that's going to do a good number on pay per view. There's gonna be a lot of bad blood in the weeks leading up to it. Those two guys do not like each other one bit, so I think it'll be interesting in that respect. I think be interesting, as you said, in the ring, because both these guys are kind of still open to the exact same shots that hurt them the last time. Like AJ against Dillion White one in twenty fifteen. AJ got shook by a big left hook from Dillion White. That's the same punch or kind of the same punch Andrew Ruiz hit him at AJ with, and A has been hit with that shot, you know, a couple of times since then. Meanwhile, Dillion White still gets hit by every upper cut in the books, so AJ is still going to have that available to them. I think it's it's it's high drama at least in that fight. They're not the same level of skill that they were back in twenty fifteen. That both got a little bit more, a little bit more worse for wear over the last few years. But long in the tooth, long in the tooth good, that's a good way to put it. But I think it's a good fight, and I like the fact that that AJ's taking it, cause I think AJ needs another fight with UH with his new trainer Derek James. And for Dillian, where else.
Is he gonna go?
Like, you know, there's only so many Germane Franklins you can fight before you need to get that big fight. And it was obvious that a Wilder fight wasn't gonna materialize. Another Andre Rueiz fight was gonna materialize. Aj was that fight for him? And that's a big domestic fight over in the UK.
So yeah it is. And uh, like I said, people are gonna watch because there's just two big punchers and they're both susceptible to getting knocked out. Someone will get knocked out in that fight. And who doesn't like to see a heavyweight, you know, knockout, whether it's Joshua or it's an upset with White. Uh, you're gonna watch something, you know. Uh uh, we're gonna expect to knock out a warning. We're gonna watch that, all right.
Well, we will be back on Saturday in San Antonio, a T and T Center, No warts Standiones with Floyd Schofiel will be in action. Sergio and I will be ringside on his own. Adam on the way out, give us a little drop kick Murphy's for our favorite Irishman for the new Man of the Motherland, Sergio Mora adopted Irish. We love you there, Man.
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