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This is Boxing with Chris Mannix, part of the Volume Sports Podcast Network special bonus episode of the podcast. If you listened on Wednesday, you heard Ackenbarack join me to talk about all things that gur Berlanga. You then heard Edgar Berlanga joined me to talk all things edgar Berlanga.
So we had you covered on that front, and I tracked down.
Eddie Hearn earlier in the day on Thursday grabbed him for a twenty minute issh of conversation that I was just going to have stand alone on this podcast. But then Thursday afternoon, we got some big news in boxing. Canelo Alvarez has agreed to a deal with PBC. I'm being told this is a multi fight deal with PBC. It is almost certain to begin with Jamal Charlow in September of this year, and we'll go into next year, maybe against David Benavidez. We'll see what happens as things shake out with this deal. But it seemed very worthy to get into. So I texted the best insider I know, Keith Iidek, and he agreed to join me for a couple of minutes here on the show.
Keith, let's start here.
I mean we we knew Canelo was talking to PBC. We knew Matchroom was still trying to put its best foot forward here. You know, maybe dangle Berlanga in front of Canelo if Berlanga had won this fight upcoming against Jason Quigley in spectacular fashion. What was your reaction to the news of the Canelo deal.
The multi fight part is the most interesting part here, Chris, because it means that he's not doing Canelo is not doing what he did with the Caleb Plant fight. It's not a one off with PBC and show to time pay per view. He's here for the long term. I mean, for you know, I would assume at least the next year, fifteen months or so, because he's not going to fight until September. If it's a three fight deal, you know, he probably would fight in May and then next September, as he is apt to do, and then I would see Benavitez probably being the third fight of that. If that is indeed the case, then Benavitez will probably the third fight. I know that's going to be longer than people want to wait to see him fight David Benavidez. But you know, the Charlo fight is obviously interesting. It's a fight that we thought was going to happen a long time ago. That it probably is going to be Charlo. It might even be announced as soon as tomorrow by Canelo himself from what I've been led to believe, Assuming it's Charlo, Yeah, the fight should have happened a few years ago at middleweight when he was the mandatory challenger for Canelo's WBC title. Charlo is of course moving up from one sixty to one sixty eight, Chris. But he's the big guy. I mean, he's he's over six foot tall and he's much bigger than Canelo, So it's not like he's going to be facing something.
So you mentioned David Benavidez potentially being the third fight of this deal. This was a fight that was reportedly offered to Canelo for September. For whatever reason, Canelo opted not to go for it. You know, you hear a lot of stuff from Benavidez side about why that deal didn't together. But it is the most marketable fight for Canelo at one sixty eight. It's probably the most I don't want say lucrativeause I don't know what Canelo's guarantees are, but it certainly has the biggest upside in terms of pay per view sales and public interest in his next fight. What's your understanding of why Canelo's not going straight into a David Benavidez fight.
Well, I just think from Canelo's perspective, he views it as the most dangerous fight on the PBC side, you know, because Charlo's I'm not saying Charlo's going to be an easy fight for Canelo by any stretch, assuming it is Charlo, but he has been off for two years. He didn't look particularly good against one Messius Montielle supposedly had an injury last year when he postponed his fight or canceled his fight against much his Selecki, And you know, he's had some personal issues and everything, and admitted to having some mental health struggles and everything. So you don't know which Jamal Charlo is going to show up Timber to fight Canelo. But I think there will be a lot of public interest in that fight as well, despite his long layoff, because Charlo is a talented guy. He's a big, strong guy. I don't think it'll be an easy fight for Canelo. I would favor Canelo to win more than anything because char You just don't know what to make of Charlo at this point in his career. He's thirty three years old now, although basically the same age as Canelo. Just that type of inactivity going into a fight that difficult is not good. But Charlo is a very polarizing guy. I mean, people have a strong opinions of Jamal Charlo one way or the other. So I think there will be very There will be great public interest in the fight, much more so than if he had fought Edgar Berlanga. So from that perspective, I mean, you have a quote unquote star on the other side, not of course, no one's as big as star as Canelo, but you have a star fighter on the other side who will help sell the event as well. But the short answer there, Chris is I just think he've used Benavitez as the most danger is super middleweight on the PBC side. Of course, Charlo is technically still a middleweight. But but yeah, that's that's probably why. And I don't blame him because benavite is a big, young, strong guy who never stops storing punches. Not saying that Canolo couldn't beat him, but if you're if you're trying to maximize your money, which obviously he is, that's the smartest play, you know, you make Davidez that. Now, I don't know who necessarily makes sense in the middle. And of course that's again assuming he beats Charlo, which is not an It's not an easy fight despite Charlo's long Now.
Yeah, and with Benavitez, maybe you make him work a little bit. In the meantime, I don't know where it stands with Benavitez, David Morrel, Samson Lukowitz is out there saying it's gonna happen. David Benavidez is out there saying, no, we don't have a deal.
Uh do you think that fight happens between Benavitez and Morel.
Look, it's it's not h There's a reason that Benevitez is saying that that fight is not happening now again, not saying David Benavitez couldn't beat David Morrel. That's the toughest fight for him in the super middleweight division other than Canelo Alvarez. Some people might even argue that it's tougher than Canelo Alvarez because he's a big, young, strong Southbugs clearly not nearly as proven as Canelo Alvarez, but he's very good. And if you're David Benavitez, not that he's afraid of anyone or anything. And I've seen all the things that Morel has been saying. His publicist has been sending out a release per day basically this week falling out David Benavitez, and understandably so. But you're not going to fight David Morel next. When you think that you have Canelo hanging in the balance, even if it means waiting a year from the Charlo fight, You're going to wait that out. Because David Ben's only twenty six years old. I mean people, I wonder sometimes if people realize how young he actually is, because he started his career at sixteen. He's still a very young guy and the very beginning of his physical prime for the most part. So he can wait. It's going to bother him to wait, and of course you're taking a risk against Charlo or what if Charlo beats him. But there's there's a very good reason why David Benevitez specifically mentioned Jimi Mungie because they think that that is a fight that they can put together. It be a big fight among Mexican fans. They think maybe now since PBC and Golden Boy have done some business together and Showtime has done some sort of business with his own, they probably think that there's a pathway toward making that fight happen. I don't know that you're going to convince himI Mungia to do that. Basically, the brutal fight that you were just calling from ringside a few weeks ago, Gate Derivgan Jenco. But it would be a fun fight and from Benavitez's perspective, a much safer fight obviously Chris than fighting David Merrele Junior.
Yeah.
I And you know, one of the some of the fallout from Canelo signing this deal with PBC takes an Edgar Orlanga fight off the table and maybe puts Berlanga in a position to being available for a Mongia fight. And if I'm Hoimimongia, I want Edgar Berlanga before I want David Benavitez. That is a much more winnable fight for him, and certainly a makeable one from the political perspective. They're both under the DESWN quote unquote banner, and there's money there I think for I think that fight would do exceptionally well. Whether it's Southern California, Las Vegas, New York, you're probably talking about a pretty significant gait. Given these guys popularity and you know kind of the fan bases that they bring.
If I'm Mungia, that's the fight I'm having.
Fernando Beltron and the folks over at Golden Boy push for not the the Benavidez fight that that is that to me feels like almost a sure loss, whereas Berlanga, you know, at worse, probably fifty to fifty in my mind for Bongia.
Right, No, I totally understand what you're saying, Chris. I think Benavidez would broot lies Heimi Mungia a saw against Drevian Chenko. Yeah, it's it's a much safer play for him, and and and a fight that he could win, as you said, because blank, I'm interested to see how Berlanga looks against Jason Quigley on Saturday. Does he blow Jason Quigley out? Or does he get extended the distance and look maybe like he did in some of his other fights to where he went the distance in the recent last couple of years. I mean, if he can't get rid of this, no offense to Jason Quigley, a tough kid and everything, but if he can't get rid of Jason Quigley and Demetrius Andreid, who's not really known as the biggest puncher at middleweight. Uh, you were there ringside in New Hampshire to just blow him out. So Berlanga should be should be able to do something somewhat similar to that. And if he can't. Well, then if you're Heimi Mungia, why wouldn't you want to fight him?
I agree?
Last thing for you, Uh, people don't really care how the sausage is made in boxing. But I found it kind of funny that you had Samson Lukawitz out there, who is effectively a PBC promoter. His money is flows from the PBC coffers. You know what's apping Eddie Renoso offers to fight David Benavitez while Eddie Renoso is negotiating this multi fight deal with Al Hayman, Like you're more in the trenches on this than I am. But I thought, I've just found this whole process to be kind of hilarious. Like you knew Matt Troom was out at least in the short term pretty early because a people if I was never really going to come together and Berlanga was more pipe dream than a reality. But what did you make of kind of the way the left handed within PBC doesn't really know what the right hand is necessarily doing.
I'm not really sure if Samson did all of that without Al's knowledge, I would find that highly unlikely. At the same time, Samson then later said that he never said that he was offered fifty million dollars. I don't know what, but that is.
What he said.
Now, maybe he's backtracking because there was some backlash internally. I don't really know. I know that Sampson was really pushing, obviously for the benefit. He's doing what he's supposed to do for his fighter. Benevite has really wanted that fight next, so they tried to make it happen. Of course, you know, this money that's being offered and ain't coming out of Sampson Lukawitz his pocket, it's it's you know, Aluman is the one who's giving the the okay, so that you know. So they're working in conjunction obviously with the numbers that were being thrown at Canelo. But again, you probably could have told him we'll pay you sixty million dollars and he just was not going to fight David Benevitez next for the reasons we discussed earlier in this podcast. So he's trying to maximize his money and strategically do the type of matchmaking that they think makes the most sense. And that's why he's probably going to fight Jamal Charlow in the first fight of this deal.
Yeah, as someone in that PBC universe nex to me earlier today, it's Al's world and we just all live in it. So it's all all down to what Al Hayman decides is ultimately going to get done.
But look, I'm gonna give PBC credit. They're on a great run.
They made the Ryan Garcia Tank Davis fight happen, they made Aerol Spence and Terrence Crawford happen, and now you know, they've attracted the most bankable star in boxing to be in some significant fights over the next twelve to eighteen months. So that's that's a feather in the cap of PBC.
I think I don't know really what more they could have done on the PBC side to satisfy people who who've rightly been critical at times for them not making the fights that the fans wanted to see the most. I mean, we're going to see Tank Garcia, not that the Innaway Fulton fight has been building for years or anything, but we're gonna see the great fight.
Yeah, great fight.
We're going to see the Innaway Fulton fight and Spence Crawford within four or five days of each other late in July. We're going to see. The likelihood is that we see Spence Crawford twice within like a four or five month span, assuming the loser activates his rematch clause. And now, like you said, Chris to have the biggest star in boxing, the most bankable star in American boxing in the fold for the next fifteen sixteen months, whatever that equates to, you can't ask for more than that. At the same time, you know, a lot of these fights were fights that should have happened before. Now, great that they're finally happening. It's better late than never. But it is a hell of a run that they're on. And you know, look, boxing fans complain when they when they don't get what they want, and again rightfully, so you can't complain when you get what you want to.
Sure he can, Sure you can. In boxing, you can complain whatever. It doesn't matter if you get what you want, don't get you want, you always complain. But it is a great run that boxing's on hopefully continues in the second half of the year as well. Keith Idek follow him at boxing scene dot Com. Will be all over this Canelo story all over the weekend. Check them out on Twitter too at ideck Boxing. Great to catch up, Keith, appreciate the time.
Same here, Chris.
All right, Eddie Hearn is here, Mattroom Boxing TZAR does that working.
It's a good title.
You also, when I watched the interview back from the ring on Saturday, you call me the promoter in question.
A record, didn't a record record. I try to mix things up a little bit. You can't be like Eddie Hearn promoter of this fight. Eddie Hearn, So you're a the TZAR Matchroom Box sounds good a title, Yes, it's pretty good. He is in New York for this weekend's show, headlined by Edgar Berlanga. First fight for Matchroom for Berlanga takes on Jason Quigley at the Theater at Mass Square Garments. Fight you can watch on DeShone. I've been thinking about this, Eddie the last couple of days. What would you What is success for Edgar Berlanga on Saturday night?
Only a statement, only a knockout. You know, Look, we saw last week with Regis a tremendous amount of high up fighting in your hometown. He even admitted to the pressure after the fight, so it was disappointing. Zarrella didn't help. But really the truth is, if we're going to talk about Canelo, if we're going to talk about Mungi, if we're going to talk about Golofkin, he's got to be making a statement against Jason Quigley. Quickly is a world class fighter, not a champion, not elite, but has been there, has mixed it. And what I like about the fight is there's a lot of people in boxing that feel that the hype is not real against Eggabalanga. They know the star quality, they know the ticket sales, they know the atmosphere, but is he actually any good? We'll find out against Quigley. And you know, I'm not saying, like I said that Quickly's going to go on and fight Canela Alvarez, but Quickly will at least show the level that you're at. If you are a world class you will go through him and you will stop him. If you're not, you may struggle. And there's a few people that think he may struggle this weekend, and I've seen Agabalanger walking around media, you know, float at the Puerto Rican Brigade last week. The pressure's on.
Does Quigley's performance against Demetrius Andreid work against Quigley or work against Berlangan this year.
Yeah, I mean I think that you know, Demetrius always starts well. He every fight that he's been in that's gone to points, he's had the opponent hurt, he's had them down. I mean, we saw it against Nicholson in the last fight, we saw it against Seleki, we saw it against Calton Dock Or, we saw it against you know, so there's nothing new. What Quigley did was decided to hold his feet and have a fight, and he also broke his jaw in the process. And he also didn't have Andy Lee in the corner, so there was a lot working against Quigley in that fight. Also, I think his days at one sixty were very tired. I think he's going to enjoy it up at one sixty eight. But let's be honest right now, Edgar Balanga is not Demetrius Andre in terms of, you know, an elite fighter. So we'll see the levels that that he's at a lot of pressure, a lot of focus. But if he can make a statement and go in and create a sensational knockout, it's going to really help his momentum.
You have promoted the last half dozen or more Canelo fights since late twenty twenty one. You talked to Eddie Renault, so I'm sure semi regularly. Do you believe a Canelo fight is in play right now for the fall for Edgar Berlanga?
I mean probably not that if he we know Canelo Balanga sells. Whether we the boxing purists think that Balanger has deserved that fight is another question altogether. Let's be honest in terms of his resume, he doesn't, but that doesn't really matter when you're making fights. If he produces a sensational knockout, jumps on the ropes and screams Canelo Alvarez's name, he at least puts himself in the hat. I would like to see that. I think that fight can be a monster. The way it becomes a monster is for Edgar Blanger to knock out Jason Quigley and then knock out a big name in the Winter Mungia favorite.
Well, that's an everyone's favorite. Yeah.
I guess if you're Keith Connolly and you're managing the career of Edgar Balanga, you're trying to navigate the best way to Canelo Alvarez. So what you don't really want to do is too many fifty fifties where you're tossing a coin to get the that's right, yeah, but that's okay, and also see that the positive the upside of the Mungia fight is if you go and beat Mungia, a fellow Mexican, all of a sudden, that Canelo fight is a mega fight. You're doubling your own money going into that fight by beating Mungia. But it's getting the mix right. You haven't got to convince me. You've got to convince sometimes the handlers, the trainers that that is worth the risk. And listen. I think Mungear against Berlanga is a mega event. I really do.
That's I said this on a show earlier in the week. You can't name me two or three better fights in the second half of this year than Berlang against Mungia. It is a fight that I think would sell out in Vegas and southern California, here in New York main room here in New York, two guys with their on fan basis, two guys don't take one step backward. It's hard to find a fight that's bigger than that. And I think frankly, Mungia would take it. I think you would take I think Golden Boy would take it. I think Berlanga's team of the you'd have to convince to ultimately team.
I think that Berlanga's team is still feeling that there's work to do. I think Saturday is going to put us in a good position to see what's nowt but they can't.
Watch and look Keith Conley represents Dervin Chenkin like they can't have watched when Gia Dervin Chenk would think their guy would be over match Devin Chenko. For all his talent is thirty seven and is a middleweight. Berlang is a full fledge one sixty eight with more of us more power.
At least than than Dervin Schenko.
That that's a winnable fight, Yeah it is. It's still a fifty to fifty five. So it's just a case of, as you noted the business, whether they're prepared to take a fifty to fifty fight. Now, what's the money? How big is that fight? And then there's a discussion to be had. I think Berlanga's team will have a lot more confidence come an impressive victory on Saturday.
Are you under the belief that Canelo against Charlo is what's coming in the.
Fall, I guess, so, you know. I mean, the only conversations really I've had with Eddie and Sale is to let them know that we're not in a position to move forward with a Dimitri Bivol fight at the moment. They've been having their separate conversations. They need to plan their future in their fight for September, and I think, you know, fight wise, in terms of what's out there, there's Benavidez, there's Charlo, of course, there's Badu Jack conversations as well. For us, you know, the other options I guess from a disown point of view are Bivol if that gets momentum, Mungia, which I still think is a good fight and a big fight as well. Balanga subject to something crazy and impressive this weekend. So I think Charlo is the front runner, but you know where they're up to. I'm not sure what is.
The biggest reason that a Dmitri Vivil rematchesn't happening.
Really the stubbornness of the competitors. You know, Dimitri Bivol says, I've beaten you. I don't feel like it was competitive. I'm not overly motivated by the rematch. I don't really care about money, I care about legacy. So let me fight you at one sixty eight. Let me fight for the undisputed championship, and we've got a fight. Canelo says, I don't want to bring you down to one sixty eight for the first time in your career, get a load of criticism for beating you when I want to beat you on the same terms as last time. It's very similar, and you know, a smaller way between Katie Taylor and Chantel Cameron rematch as well. You know, so ultimately the competitive stubbornness of both is probably what's keeping that fight apart at the moment. I don't think we're going to see it in September. I think Bivol's going to probably defend in August stroke September and then face the winner of Callum Smith against Better Biev. I think that's the most likely route. Whether that opens up, then the fight between Bivol and Canelo in the summer on Cinco de Mayo of next year could be interesting. I mean, if Bivol gets undisputed at one seventy five all of a sudden, little different against Canelo at one seventy five run disputed is a mega event.
There's a belief in boxing that Better Be a Bevil can't happen because the money just isn't there for those two guys.
Where do you stand up?
I disagree, you know, I think that look better. Biev's never made big money. That's the reality Bivol has, but only because he thought Canelo Alvarez. I think that's a fight that could be a big fight in the Middle East. It's probably the best fight in boxing. But there's no point talking about it because when Callum Smith knocks Better Be a spark out in August, all of a sudden it changes in terms of its location. And I truly believe that Callum Smith will knock him out. I can just see it. I keep picturing it, and if he does, that fight's super easy to make. So we'll see what happens in August.
I heard you say with relation to Canelo, that you're thinking about January next year.
Is that something we're always think about.
That we always discussed with Eddie Reinoso, the possibility of a January February fight, the Saudi fight. You know, if you're planning a Badu jackfight September. I just think he's unrealistic full stop, you know. But if you're planning Anthony Josher against Deonte Wilda in December, January, February, March is kind of like the period that he is open in the Middle East in terms of weather, in terms of you know, prior to Ramadan, so that could be an option. I think January and February is only an option for Canelo Albarez in the Middle East, So those talks will will be on.
You told me in the ring last week that you planned to meet with Bill Haney with the Heinies this week.
Have you done that yet?
No.
I spoke to Devin yesterday. He's due in to New York at some point, and I said to him, you know very clear about Regis program. This is not about luring Devin Haney into a five fight deal with Mattrim and his own. This is just making a great fight. So there's no excuse for Devin Haney. There's no contract that comes with it. Do you believe you can beat Regis program? Let's get it made now. I've got to get the money up for Devin and Bill, which is going to be fun and interesting in itself, but also he's in discussions with the Middle East himself, which I said, will come. You know, I want Regis progra to get a big opportunity, you know, a financially big opportunity, and if it means traveling, if it means fighting on another show, if it means we have no problem with that at all, because I don't want to see Regis in zerrilla fights. I want to see him test himself and prove that he is a real player and the best at one forty.
What do you make of skills Challenge? The Middle East Company, Saudi Arabia specific not just looking to put on fights now, but seemingly looking to sign fighters. They signed Alexander Usik to a deal. Devin Hanny, you mentioned Deontay Wilder. It seems like is he's they're circling him. What do you make of this? It seems like a shift in what the priorities are over there.
Yeah, I don't feel that it's you know, they're looking to put a year round calendar of fights and events. Things do move very slowly there, but certainly they're looking to make a further investment in boxing. I think that they're open to those fighters fighting elsewhere, obviously they want to stage major events in Saudi as well. But also you have to understand they're huge boxing fans. So for Prince Khalid, who's you know, the main man there in terms of the boxing movement, he's a huge boxing fan, so I'm not saying it's a hobby. But also at the same time, he's very excited to sign fighters of that magnitude, and it's one thing signing them, it's another thing servicing them. And that's the problem that all promoter promoters have. So, like we said, if those fighters do sign to Skills Challenge, be very happy to bring our fighters to Saudi Arabia like Regis program and help them deliver, because as we know, once you make that move, it's very likely that others will close the door. So if they went to sign with Skills Challenge, top rank may say you're not getting to your female, You're not going to all of a sudden, there's bad energy between those guys. I'm saying, we'll come. We've got the world champion. You want to fight for the WBC world title. Regis is ready to go, So I think it's a good thing.
You know, how glacially they move over there. It takes a lot for them to put a deal there. Have you expressed that to the Hanies and said, look, we want to get Regis out.
Yeah, monster fight in September and again.
Just that feasible, like if you can come to a number. Is hani program realistic in September?
Yes, yes, definitely on his own, but it's just a case of you know, is it realistic in Saudi? I don't think so. I mean we're seeing the pace that they're moving for the December fight with aj. I'm confident it will get done because I've worked with them before. If I hadn't, I wouldn't be But it does take time.
Everyone in boxing got the press release from Dimitri Salida suggesting Jerrell Miller for Anthony Joshua. You've dismissed that as a possibility for Anthony in August. My question is kind of why, Like, you're you're going to get a guy in the top fifteen, but he's probably not going to be a big name or a big ticket seller individually. Darrell Miller, for all his flaws, is a big mouth, and he's got an undefeated record, and he's got a history there.
Why is that not at least considering.
A wealth with me, you know, and people can talk about comment band. It's very, very different. If you look at the history of Jurell Miller, if you look at the way in which he failed his tests and the way that those substances were consumed, it really don't sit well for me, and it caused us a lot of aggravation, a lot of pains. It's a little bit personal. Also, it's seven weeks to go. He's not enrolled in Nevada testing that we would like to have in a standard Ante and Joshua fight that normally happens twelve weeks before the time we got that fight signed, and the time he enrolled in that program, you're probably looking at five or six weeks. No, thank you, is the answer, And I'm not I'll never rule it out forever because I understand the size of the fight, but I don't feel that Durell Miller is really the guy that's going to prepare aj for Deontae Wilder and also to showcase the work that he's been doing with Derek James over the last ten to twelve months. So no to Durell Miller, but who knows in this crazy game one day.
So you're not ruling out down the line, if Darrell can get his act together, get in that vartage.
I just think that the way boxing works is I've learned to rule something out, you know. You know these interviews never go away.
Chris, maybe back in New York and then two or three years. Last thing for you is you just announced as we're recording this the Sonny Edwards Bam rad Riguez space, you said that was going to get done presumably for the fall.
What are we.
We're looking at sort of end of November, early December, there'll be an official announcement. We want to we want to try and get this schedule up and running from August to December on the Zone to give you the full announcement, and that's going to be a big part of that. One of the best fights in boxing, I think. I mean, we've been working on it for a while. There's a few little hurdles to overcome this week, but great fight, great fight. It's going to be in America. Looks like it's going to be on the West coast. Fair play to Sonny Edward's, fair play to to Baan Rodriguez. It's exactly what we want the best to be the best and time to see who is the very best in the flyweight division.
What is your understanding of Jesse's jaw, like the health and getting back of the gym.
He's back in the gym now, you know, it's been a while since that fight. Now, I guess he's going to be ready to spa you know, maybe in about a month or six seven weeks. Times, got plenty of time to prepare for the fight. And that's I think another reason why he deserves respect is because he's going straight from that injury into probably the toughest fight in the division. But he doesn't want to hang around. You know, he went to one twelve two unify and he's keeping to his word.
Are you you want to get one champion in that division as well? How of the movements on that?
Yeah, Martinez has to fight a royo, which has been going on for ye yeah, yeah yeah, and that will be hopefully in September in Mexico. Then we want to make the De Lakian fight, could even land on the same card, and then the winners fight the winner, you know, one champion by spring twenty twenty four. It is exactly what we want in the sport.
How easy is that de Lakian versus Martinez fight.
I mean, there's nothing else for him, so really it's just a case of negotiation. I think he's got some association with Queensberry, but what's the Laki I'm going to do? I mean, if he doesn't get in a mix, he's not going to make a penny, so, you know, hopefully, and he wants to prove he's the best as well.
So if you get a sign off to circle back to Edgar Berlanga, if you get a sign off on you know, from Berlanga's team on Monday, to make a Mangia.
Fight, you're all over this, aren't you.
Well, yeah, that's great fight, better than Andrew Charlo. Get anywhere with that?
How are you and Ascar de la Hoya going to get along?
And at the end of the day, you know, Mungia needs a dance partner. And the thing is with Mungia in Oscar de la Hoya, let's be honest, he don't really want to take any risk and they might look at Blangor as a winnable fight, and that that's why that fight could get made, because let's be honest. They chose derevn Chenko because he was old and because he was done really but still a name, good matchmaking, good fight. But they never really want to fight anyone of no, do they. So they might look at Blangor and go, hmm, I mean really like Gernardi Glovkin if he fights again, Mungeir Glovkin, unbelievable fight Balanga people. Yeah, with Frank spoke to him the other day, we were going to go and see him. I think I think he wants to fight again, really yeah, and I think that you know, he's vacated the belt, so there's no kind of outstanding pressure. You know, time is ticking and it's about money, and is those fights going to generate the kind of money that's going to get Gernnardi Glovkin out?
What's the fight that generates the kind of money for him? Like, is it Berlanga? Is it possibly?
I mean, is like, you know, it's not going to generate the money he's used to, But it has to come down to a little bit of desire. You know, if it's purely must be pretty well, it's been paid very well for a number of years. But you know, if it's just about money. I don't think you've seen him fire again, but.
Do you think but based on those conversations, you think he's interested in doing it.
I think he wants to fight again.
Yeah, Eddy Hearn mattrom Boxing Zar appreciate it.
Thanks Chris
