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Anthy Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. What's this? This heavy hosted by s I s Chris Mannix, that was my moments. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing, when you have talent, you are given another chance, scares Chris Mannix. All right, Keith Ideck is my guest this week Boxing Scene, boxing Scene dot Com, Ideck Boxing on Twitter, friend of the podcast, and Keith, what a week we have here. We have some news on Ryan Garcia to discuss. We have one of boxing's most popular young fighters now a free agent. You've got Connor Ben talking like a man on the comeback trail, and a potential mega fight that could happen this spring over in Asia. But Keith, you know what, we have to start with the real story this week. It's Stevern Gidrey Fight Week. Baby, we are back. Heavyweight boxing is back and Don King is bring it to us back in Florida with a heavyweight showdown headline by Jonathan Giddrey, former heavyweight title holder burn Main Stevern gif Are you giddy for Giddrey? And it's only twenty bucks? Chris? Only twenty dollars? What a while? The Giants and Eagles are playing on Saturday Night? I mean, don't you just feel tempted? To funk down bucks to watch boxer that no one cares about. Can I just what's your sense of what Don King is doing? Like he keeps doing these small paper views which have to be financial disasters. I mean, this is a guy that for decades put on some of the biggest events in boxing history. I mean, what gives here? It is odd. I don't really know why he remains in boxing in any capacity. He doesn't certainly doesn't need the money, and he's not making any money off of these fights. At least the last time he did one of these, Chris at least it was Trevor Brian who had a ridiculous title that should not exist, but it was technically it was a heavyweight title, and he thought Daniel Dubois. So that's one thing what they're doing Saturday night. I don't quite understand other than keeping their fighters active that he has under contract, but putting these fights on pay per view is just I'd really like to have the heads examined of anyone who pays. Look, if someone in your family is fighting, okay, I'll give you a pass for paying twenty bucks to watch that. Otherwise I don't I don't get it. You know, because it only encourages him to do more more of this. I mean the last one with you know, Daniel Dubois and Trevor Bryan, they had to pay real money to Daniel Dubois and he didn't. Yeah, I know, but theoretically, like I guess he did. He finally make good on that. Wasn't that the latest that he did? Believe? But I just remember him trying to say that Frank Warren owed him money from Lake. Yeah, that was kind of shady, you know nothing, basically saying Frank Warren owes me money, so get the rest of your your pay from Frank, which is pretty shitty thing to do to a fighter. I just like, I mean, these are seven figure persons that are theoretically being paid and I don't know where the money is coming from. It just feels like, you know, he's just digging deep into whatever personal wealth he has left and and putting it into these horrible shows, which I can't imagine more than a couple hundred people at most are watching. So it's happening this weekend, So if you're up for a little boxing on pay per view, UM, real quick, Keith off the top by now, everybody knows what's happening with Francis Naganu in the UFC. The former UFCA champion is now a free agent and could be looking to get into boxing. Keith, I get into this more with Daniel Dubois, Daniel Cormier got game Dubois my brain Dana Cormier later in the show. But are you anticipating seeing Francis n Ganu in a boxing ring later this year? It certainly seems like that's what he wants, right Chris, because he was, as far as I know, he was offered a substantial sum of money to remain with UFC with you know, as part of a long term contract, more than they pay generally. I think it was eight million dollars per fight or something like that. I read um, So he really wanted to break away from UFC. He really wants to try boxing. These crossover fights have done well when it was of course, when it was Floyd Mayweather and Connor McGregor, those are two huge stars. I don't know Francis and Ghanu was obviously a big star in UFC, but I don't know how easy it would be for him to fight the types of heavyweights in boxing that he wants to fight a certainly Tyson Fury. But Tyson Fury going to take a risk against the guy who's not a boxer. I'm not saying it's a huge risk because he's a much better boxer. But the one thing that I've always heard about in Ghana when I don't follow UFC very closely, Chris, but he's a huge puncher. So even if it were an exhibition, are you going to get in the ring with a guy like that and risk everything that you work for your whole life? When if you're let's just use Tyson Fury as an example. He's making enormous amounts of money to fight real boxers and fights that might be less dangerous. The Dillian White fight is a perfect example. He made his purse's official purse with thirty two million dollars. Is he gonna make more than that to fight Frances And God? I don't know who's putting up that. I guess that. I guess the difference of opinion that we have on this, Keith is I think frances and Nagano is zero threat to Tyson Fury. I mean, if Tyson Fury can go whoever number rounds thirty plus rounds with Deontay Wilder. He's not gonna have a problem with France and Nicano big mm a puncher, I'll give him that. But I've watched some of his stuff. He gases out, you know after a pile of rounds, you know, he's wild with his shots. Fury toys with him. In my opinion, that that's that to me feels inevitable. Like if Fury can beat Hoosick in the spring summertime in the UK, Frances Negadu sell out Wembley Stadium, make a boatload of money and have an easy night's work. Well, who's putting up the money and why? Oh, the Saudi Arabian government is an I don't think Chris there would be. But but you're talking about My guess is Francis and Ghano is not doing this because he wants to make a round the same amount of money he could have made to stay in UFC, he wants to make much more. So Yeah, but like I think there is that money there. I think whatever gate you get at Wembley, plus pay per view plus international rights like that, you there's probably ten million in for Frances Negato and thirty million in for Tyson Fury and and Tyson. Fury is not gonna get touched in a situation. He's just not right. We've seen this too many times with UFC guys, And yeah, you know, you can give him the proverbial puncher's chance, but I think he has even less of a puncher's chance than some boxing punchers, if that makes anything. I just I just don't see it. So I do think it's inevitable, though. I think I think Fury wants it, and God who wants it. And I think come summertime, we're gonna see those two in a boxing ring, probably over in the UK. Um. All right, So the real news this week, the big news in boxing is that Golden Boy has finally received a contract for Ryan Garcia to fight Ravante Davis. There was some anxiety, Keith last week after Golden Boy didn't get a contract. You had Oscar de la Hoya publicly threatening to move on if you didn't get one by Monday. Kind of an empty threat there. But it eventually came in on Tuesday, and I was told the contract looks pretty good. They're gonna go back to PPC with some edits. But there's no reason to believe this contract isn't in line with what Golden Boy was expecting. We already know most of the terms, including financial and the network arrangement, have been agreed to. Keith, are we all systems go now for Garcia tank on April. I don't know about the April fift part, and I've said that all along, just because he has this trial coming up next month. I think they will fight that. Both fighters, to their credit, completely committed to the fight. They've pushed for it throughout this entire process. They want the fight, which is great. Um, so we will see the fight. I just I can't stay with any certainty, and I don't know how anyone could Chris at this point that they're fighting April or May whatever, because you don't you don't know what kind of punishment Javonte Davis is going to come away from this trial with. So until you know that, until you know whether he has to do some home confinement or some actual jail time and how that will impact his training camp, and when he's able to train properly for the fight, how could we know when the fight will be So you just have to I understand everyone's inpatient and they want to know right away and blah blah blah. The trial is supposed to start February fifteen. It's not supposed to be all that long of a trial. So maybe by February eighteen or whenever. Uh, we'll know and we'll know what he can do and when he can do it. I think the next fight for Ryan Garcia and Jamante Davis will be fighting each other. Where is still when? Is still to be determined? Yeah? And two to clarify the trial situation. A A judge has already rejected a plea deal that would have afforded Jervonte Davis no jail time some home confinement. I believe we're in the original police terms, but the judge rejected it in large part because, uh, this judge did not believe it was significant enough. So that gives you some reason for pause as you point out that April fift could be a movable date. Um, let let me ask you two questions though about Well, let's stick with the schedule there for a second. This PBC schedule, I'm not quite wrapping my head around yet. We both know that promoters do not want to do and oftentimes refused to do, pay per views in the same month, Right, because you want to get a different cable building cycle, and you want to space things out a little bit to to give yourself a best chance at maximum revenue. Um, we know we've got Benavidez plant that's a pay per view on March. You've got Spence tweeting out he's gonna go in April, although I've been told that Spence could get bumped May if Davis Scarcia goes in mid April. I still don't know what's happening with Deontay Wilder. Is he going to fight any ruise, is he gonna fight somebody else. It just seems like PBC right now has a lot of pay per view level shows, or at least what they deemed pay per view level shows, bunched into that, you know, couple of months, a few months on the calendar. How do you think all that kind of shakes out? They're probably will be four of them, as you just mentioned, Chris, because if the fight ruise, uh, there will be four pay per views perhaps over a four month span, which no one wants to hear obviously, but that's the way it's going to shake out, just because just because of circumstance, right you know, Spence and Thurman were supposed to have thought, you know, they would have fought next month if everything went according to the plan. Um. So yeah, that that, but everything is uh, these are all movable parts now because we don't really know what's going on with Javante Davis, right, So yes, Spence could fight in May, Spence could fight in April. Who knows, We don't. We don't know that yet, you know. And look the way it goes with Spence, I don't know, something else could happen where he gets pushed back again. I mean between contract negotiations and car accidents and detached retinis. I mean a lot of this is bad luck, unfortunately for our Spence, but it always seems to be something so, you know, but I do think we'll get you know, probably four paper BBC pay per view fights within say a four to five months span, which is not ideal, but that's probably the way it's going to shake out. So you hear all the time, and it's something I agree with that Tank says, Ryan Garcia is the most marketable fight that you can make in US boxing. More marketable than Spence Thurman, maybe even more marketable than Spence. Crawford certainly more marketable than some of the other pay per views that PVC is looking to do in the next few months. I find myself wondering, Keith, what that means at this point. Um, I don't know what the Tank Hector Luis Garcia fight did. There's been some numbers flowed out there on the Internet that are relatively low usually if it, excuse me, if it does well, you see some attempts to leak some numbers out there that are pretty good. Um. But as you kind of look ahead to to Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis, do you think that's the kind of fight that breaks through kind of all the piracy that breaks through? Um, you know, kind of the numbness people have at this point to buying pay per views? Like, is that a fight that that breaks through all that? I think as it relates to piracy, Chris, the people who are hiringing these streams, they're gonna do it no matter what the fight is. Pay for it. They can't pay, but whatever the case, I mean, they're going to find a way to get it for free, which is unfortunate and ravages the business, but that's the way and in some if you're doing a pay per view every other you know, every four weeks. Well, that's asking a lot of people to pay somewhere between seventy and eighty five dollars every four weeks. You're not building boxing pay per views into your budget if you have a family and you know, or whatever your expenses are. So, but piracy is a huge problem. Um So No, I think it will do a higher by rate because there's much more interest not only within the boxing sphere but also outside of boxing. So it'll it'll do a good number, I believe, but probably a higher number based on their fan bases. Probably a higher number than Spence Crawford if that fight ever comes together, as we discussed on the podcast before. But um, but it's gonna draw a lot of attention because people are excited about this fight, um and have wanted to see it for a long time. And credit again to both guys for making sure that the fight happened and not allowing all of the nonsense that tends to get in the way, uh from allowing big fights to happen. Yeah, I do think you're going to have a lot of the fans that either buy a pay per view or don't buy Crawford or Spence. Uh. Sorry, you're all over the place. Tank versus Ryan. I think you'll have the buyers that wouldn't necessarily pirate it go out and get it, the more casual fans that have an interest in that fight, which will increase the buyer rate. I just don't know what that number is gonna look like. I don't know what they're anticipating for a fight like that. Is it north of three d thousand, I would assume, so is it five hundred thousand? That's pretty high. Anything over five hundred thousand you have to be ecstatic about. Um. I don't know. I don't know what they deem successful with something like that based on what they're paying, uh, these two guys. But you know, pay per view is an interesting place right now. I think where you know, piracy ain't going away, and it doesn't seem like boxing has found a solution to to stop it. You know, they've tried but hasn't really worked out. So we'll see what happens with with that one. UM. So, we did have some surprising news this week Keith Edgar Berlanga, the undefeated super middleweight contender, He has parted ways with Top Rank. Some of the shine, of course, has come off. Berlanga had a whole bunch of first round knockouts early in his career. He's won all his fights since that knockout Street ended, but he was knocked down in one of them. In his last fight against Romer and Gulo, he bit him, which led to a multi month suspension. Um but Berlanga is a proven ticket seller and guys like that are not usually released by their promoters. So Keith, let's start here. What's your understanding of what happened with Edgar Berlanga and Top Rank. Well, ultimately they just couldn't come to an understanding or an agreement Chris on what he should be paid, the types of fights that he should be in, whether he should be in main events or co features, And that was viewed from our standpoint as a step backward because he has headlined ESPN shows at the theater and they were trying to build toward him. I don't know about selling out Madison Square Garden, but being able to do a substantial gait at Madison's the Big room at Madison Square Garden. And this went on for several months. He was suspended for six months. As you well know, Chris, he you know he tried to bite uh Stangolo on his shoulder in his last fight, so he couldn't fight for from basically mid June until mid December anyway. So during that time they had a couple of face to face meetings in which Berlanga was involved. His manager, Keith Connolly was there, his dad and the trainer also there, um, and you know, and the Top rank brass was there. And there were times when it looked like they were going to figure it out, and then there were times when they were at odds and they and they were not going to figure it out. And ultimately he was able to buy himself out of the contract. He felt his team him and his team kind of felt like Top Rank didn't believe in him. Um, you could argue on the flip side that he hadn't given them much reason to believe in in him being more than what he is now based on the way he performed against Alexis san Gulo and Steve Roles. He won those fights, I mean, there's no two ways about that. It was just the way he looked and then how would you step him up from there? That they really couldn't come to an agreement on and Frankly, they wanted him to fight Jesse Hart three times and that name kept coming up. Jesse Harts a solid fighter who's done well in his career. He was very competitive in those two super middleweight title title fights against GILBERTA. Ramirez. He's not he's not an elite level fighter, and there was a refusal on the side of Burlangue to fight him. So it was frustrating for Top rank because they felt like, if you're not going to fight Jesse Hart and prove yourself against a guy who, frankly is a back end of that, he's not even in that that. You know, he's fought it light heavyweight and everything, and now he would move back down to that fight. But if you're not going to fight Jesse Hart and you're utterly refusing to do that, well you're you're going to disagree, you know. So I don't, but I see it from Perlanga's standpoint. You know, he is a ticket seller, he's a commodity um. But some of the shine has come off him since he's gone to distance in these last four fights and hasn't looked particularly great. He got knocked down in the fight against cos Serra's on the Wilder Fury undercard. He did. He did fight through it torn biceps for seven rounds of that fight, so you kind of, well, you know that that's tough. He was able to do that, and it was a flash knockdown. He got up. He won the fight convincingly. But you know, they just didn't see the type of progress in him that they had hoped to see, and frankly, they did not want to pay him the type of money that he was that he thought he should command based on his popularity and and his ability to sell tickets, and they decided to go their separate ways. The Jesse Hart thing was strange. I mean, I have people, as I'm sure you did, from Berlanga's team, calling to say it's not about Jesse Hart. He would have fought Jesse Hart. But you know, I've heard the same things you have that Top rank has repeatedly tried to make a fight between Jesse Hart and it hasn't come together for whatever reason. You know, And and on paper, doesn't that fight make a lot of sense? Like you know, Jesse harty if he can make one sixty eight, I have some skepticism of that. But if Jesse Hard could make one sixty eight again and be there for that fight. That's a good next step type of fight. A former world title challenger who's a known commodity because of the fights he had with Gilberto Ramirez, because of the fight he had with Joe Smith. Didn't win any of those fights, but it was competitive and at least in the two Ramirez fights, and Um wound up on you know, nationally televised kind of platforms. It just do you think it was the money for that? They just don't believe he's he's ready or can can win that kind of fight. Yeah, But again, if you if you don't believe that he can win against Jesse at this point in Jesse Hart's career, well you're going to come to an impasse because that's a type of guy that he should be, you know. And they wouldn't fight him. So I know Berlanga has said that he would fight him, and you know, the fighters always, for the most part, the fighters aren't shying away from challenges. I'm sure he feels like he can beat Jesse Hart, but from a business standpoint, they wouldn't do it. Um. And again, they just decided that they wanted different things and they wanted to go about the rest of his career in the foreseeable future in different ways. Um, And he was able to buy himself out of the contract. So he'll have some options because there are a lot of super middle weights with PBC. There are less super middle weights with Eddie hearn But Keith Connolly, Hlanga's manager, has a good working relationship with Eddie Hearne also has a good working relationship with Al Hayman. So he'll have some options. But eventual, you're gonna have to fight somebody eventually, you know, and and and then Gulo was a big puncher, but you know it was dominated by David Benavidez. Um, you know he's gonna have to He's ranked fourth by I think three of the four major sanctioning organizations, so he's a highly ranked fighter and everything. But look, if he goes and signs with PBC, Chris, you put him in the ring with with Plant Benavidez, David Morrel Charlo if he moved up, I don't see him winning any of those fights, do you No. I think he'd been underdog based on what I've seen of his last few fights. Um, you know, and and that kind of brings me to to the next point, and you kind of touched on the options. There. There is PBC, there is match room. Keith Connley, his manager, is steering the ship. Now. I think Golden Boys kind of a dark horse in all this, and maybe you can do this be a match room as well. But you know, I'm sure there'd be strong interest in him Mungiula, Like we're gonna get to him Mugie later in the show. But um, you know, Mungia Berlanga is a potential fun fight. If you're Berlanga, you know, I think you'd probably take that because there's probably considerable money in that fight and you should feel you can be competitive against Mungia, who was not been tested either at this point and a smaller guy moving up. You know, he's not Ba is a big guy. So um so yeah, I mean why not, right I Ultimately he wants to fight Canello. Now, no one would tell you with a straight face that they think Gurblana will beat Canelo Alvarez. But he's a marketable guy. He's popular, Um not, He's not Miguel codad or popular. You know, he's developing a fan base and he is very he has a big social media presence and all that, and people have reacted. Entertainers and athletes have have responded to him. Knocking people out doesn't knock people out anymore exactly, but but he is popular and he's a real confident kid, and the Puerto Rican fans have responded to him. Look, if Cannella we're looking for a fight where he would be heavily favored to win, Beyond John ryder Um, Burlango would be someone that he would be heavily favored to beat, and he's undefeated, and he's ranked fourth by three of the four sanctioning organizations. So I'm not saying that fight should happen. I'm just saying that if Cannella were looking to come back from risk surgery against someone that he would be heavily favored to be and is undefeated and all the things that I just said, well, Burlango would be that type of guy. Whatever that's worth, I hope not. Yeah, I'm not saying you should want. That might be the end of Burl's career at that point, but yeah, it's an interesting possibility if he ever aligned himself with Mattrim. I do think and you've probably heard these act same things. I think it feels like John Rider somewhere overseas UH, it may is like the most likely option at this point for for Canelo might be in the UK. I think the Middle East as as a presence there, and it seems like we're trending, at least in UH in that direction. When I just say something, what is it? I don't. I'm not directing this at you. I understand why Eddie Hearn wants him to fight John Rider because he has John Rider. Who cares about Canelo out as fighting John Rider? Nobody put it on the moon, who cares? I think it's it's it's where you can get the most money. Frankly, I mean, I think if you go to the Middle East, you can take some of that Abu Dhabi money that Eddie is pocketing and put that towards it in the UK, maybe you know, first time there, you can make some money as an attraction. I just I think in the US it's a tough sell, especially for the money Canelo commands every single fight. It's a very very It's a probably the toughest cell he's had since like Rocky Fielding, maybe even tougher, given that he's coming off kind of a lackluster two thousan two. I mean, John Riders British, but he's not a star. Yeah, he is from England. Okay, if the fight's going to be in England, fine, But this this has been going on for a couple of years now, that he's gonna fight John Rider's gonna who John Rider? John Rider. Do you remember at the Saunders fight where John Rider was there in case Billy Joe Saunders like up and left, like he was the backup for Billy Joe Saunders a couple of years ago when it was gonna fight Saunders. That was mostly because in case Billy Joe just went crazy and left there a plug. So John Riders just kind of hanging around the hotel the entire week just he he wasn't even fighting, like he wasn't given like a fight to to take. He was just there in case Billy Joe went off the grid for whatever reason. I don't know how anything against John Rider, praise. It seems like a nice guy and he you know, he's won a couple of fights, and you know the Jacob's fight was a close sense not anything, but but this insistence on him fighting John Rider at some point is baffling. Were talking about mandatory, right, Canell has got to do his mandatories otherwise these sanctionary body's gonna strip him. Keith, They're gonna strip him take that belt away. About any of that, I'm being spacetious, But but fight whoever you want your Cannello, you are still the cash cow and boxing yeah once, yeah, exactly. Um let's talk about Ganadi Golofkin. Speaking of Canello, Triple G has not fought since losing that decision to Canelo in September. We know he wasn't thinking about retiring after that fight. He was quick to tell me that in the ring he is still, of course the unified middleweight champion. But Keith, we haven't heard much from his camp in the last couple of months. What do we know right now about the future of Triple G. I know it is going to continue fighting, like you said, Chris, but I think it's gonna be difficult for him to command the type of money that he's that he you know, I know he didn't quite make as much as he had hoped in his deal with the Zone or that he felt he was owned, but he made a lot of money and it's gonna be hard to get another broadcast partner to pay him that type of money when he's forty going on forty one, um and coming off of what was a decisive defeat to Canelo Alvarez in his last fight. Um So, I don't know. It's it's tricky because he does have the Middleway you know, three Middleway titles, I guess, but um no, it's gonna be hard for him to command the type of money that he wants. And that's why we haven't heard much since since the Canelo fight, which is I guess four months ago now. Um So, I don't know what he does. I you know, it certainly doesn't seem possible for him to go back to the zone based on the way their relationship ended, you know, and some of the things that he said. Certainly doesn't seem interested in that. But maybe if he finds that he doesn't have the type of interest that he thought he would, maybe he would go back to the zone. But then he's going to have to fight some of the people that for whatever reason did not want to fight him or he didn't want to fight while Andrew's gone. So that doesn't matter much to your dismay Android is God. But um so, I don't know. It's a great question, but you know, does there are purely appealing middleweight fights for him? But Willie be paid what he wants to be paid for those types of fights? Yeah, and at some point his mandatories are gonna come do right. He's got an IBF mandatory and that's one of the few sanctioning bodies that presumably will enforce it. The w B A uh belt. I mean, I guess at some point they're gonna call for him to fight aris Landy Laura for that title. Uh. Neither of those fights are going to generate any kind of purse of significance for Goafkin. Like those are very very I mean not bad fights like in the ring necessarily, but they're not revenue drivers. It's gonna be a tough sell on a pay per view or any of the platform to do those fights. To me, Keith, I think he's got to find a way to get in the ring with Mongia to bring Mongea back into this conversation. I know that Golden Boy he has reached out to Golofkin's team. Right now, there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest. I can't quite figure out why, because to me, it's kind of coin flippy with Mangia and Golofkin at this point. But it's not like Monge is like this world beater, like he's available to be hit, and if Golofkin can still hit, he has a chance to have success in a fight like that. It would be a fight I know the Zone would be extremely interested in putting on, either on the platform or on pay per view, and it would probably generate the highest payday for Ghanati at this time, unless I mean, unless there's a deal with PBC for Jamal Charlo. I haven't heard much about that that generates more. I just I don't know why Golofkin would want that fight over a Mungia fight at this point doesn't really register with me there, so I guess for me, I just don't know why he's not running towards a Mongia fight. Maybe it's his issues with his ZWN, Maybe it's his issues I don't know dealing with match Room in the past. The match Room wouldn't nessarily have to be involved with Mangia, but that that's a fight that doesn't that just make a lot of sense for Gnati Goloka at the stage it does and uh, you know, six years after it was supposed to happen and Bob Bennett put the Kaiba a story's still talking about it, you know. But yeah, look, I'll be happy if himI Mongia fights anyone who will put up some resistance. Three. Let's just whether it's Glogin or someone else. Um, did you see did you see this? You know, Eric Gomez over a Golden Boy put out there that Mongia and Fernando Beltround are just in fighting. Dmitri Pevil I called some guys in Beeble's team, and let's just say they were very enthusiastic about the idea of fighting Hybe Monghee. I think they would go to his backyard in Mexico to fight Hywenge. Dmitri Beeble has no problems fighting Hywe MONI I found that a bit interesting that, uh, for some reason, Mongia is expressing interest in a Bevil fight. I mean, the I doesn't want to fight anyone, and now he wants to he wants to move up, I guess, kind of sort of two weight classes to fight a guy who beat Canello Albarez. Come on, stop it, I really I mean christ that's who he wants to fight. Seriously, the guy who the guy who won nine rounds against Canelo. We're supposed to believe that. No, No, I don't. I'm just saying that Bebo's team is very, very interested. If that's for real, wouldn't Yes, yes, I would. They made it clear to me they have not booked any fights for the first half of yet. If I'm a Mungie is for real there? Well? Who else does money? You want to fight because you want to fight better be if you be Yard next week? I mean Scury. I don't know for at of the Yard. I don't w want to talk at the Yard this week, but I already feel sympathy for Anthony Yard. Uh, it's not what's probably gonna happen not gonna go well for him in that fight. Um that fight over the UK, And I want to talk about something else over in the UK for a minute. Connor Ben, who has become a boxing pariah after flunking a pair of drug test in advance of the fight against Chris you Bank Jr. He is apparently ready to move on. Ben has been active on social media lately, posting training videos teasing a return on Instagram this week, he wrote thank god for science, without really providing any scientific evidence that anything about his positive tests for a female fertility drug is really anything but an attempt to get away with a performance enhancer. He's not really fooling anyone, Keith, including you Bank, who had this to say about Ben this week. It's just you know, he's he's just pissing people off at this point. High the science. Thank god for science. And I'm innocent and I can't wait to show Just shut up until you actually have some solid, real things to show people and tell people. You know, all this cryptic bullshit is uh, you know, it's just annoying people, especially me. Um. You know, there's no science is going to say them. No science is going to get the fans that he's lost back on his side. Uh. You know, whatever, whatever he's got planned and whatever excuses he's got made up, it's too late, all right. So, Keith, what what do you make of Connor Ben's declaration that he has been vindicated. Well, he's been saying for more than a month now that he has quote unquote proven his innocence. Who how does he just keeps saying it? So he's just speaking it into existence. I don't know, but like, no one believes this until we get some some you know, concrete information from from Vada or the British Boxing Board of Control or someone in some position of the farm. Let him say whatever he wants. Who cares, but this is this is not going away. And him continuing to say that he has proven his innocence and this is all behind him now is I don't I don't know what he's trying to do, but it's not working. So and no one believes him is pretty wild. I mean, he he has handled this Keith about as poorly as you possibly could um if he had just said, look, I don't know how that got in to my system. I don't take drugs, but it is what it is. I'll take whatever punishment is coming to me, and then I'm gonna try to get my career back on track and prove to people that I am a clean athlete. He probably could have at least started the process of putting this behind him, but he has just continue to stay out there and say I didn't do anything and science will set me free, and everybody knows that I'm gonna I'm fine. It's just it's wild, like he's becoming one of those crazy criminals, like he's to put it into modern day political sphere. He's like the George Santos of boxing at this point, Like he's just he's just making stuff up that might be a little strong but a new but you know what I mean, Like it's like, okay, but um, but yeah, I've got the how many times have you heard Keith and like I've got the evidence that I'm gonna show it and never never Sh'S never gets shown ever, And he keeps saying odd things like the testing has proven to be wrong and but there's no he provides no evidence. I don't I don't like you said, he's handled this poorly. You know, I don't know what his punishment ultimately is going to be, but let's just letim take that punishment and then fight. Whenever he's allowed to fight, he will be allowed to fight. I mean, uh, Darrell Miller is fighting, right. There's not a bigger cheater in the history of boxing than Jarrell Miller. And he's going He's fought so so eventually, whether however long his suspension might be or whatever. Uh, he's still relatively young, sover he is. He's young, so he'll be able to come back from it, and hopefully he learned his lesson. He's not admitting to anything, of course, and I don't know why he's going about it in the way that he is, but he's been advised poorly. I guess I would say, Yeah, Eddie Hearn says he's gonna fight in the spring. I'm very curious to see where he fights in the spring, if he fights in the spring, because I can't imagine that, you know, four or five months after this positive test, that the British Boxing Board of Control is going to license him. Similarly, I don't see a credible state in the US licensing him. He may have to go and use you know, may have to go to Saudi Arabia, frankly, or to some other country in the Middle East to get him back into the ring, and even that presents problems if you're kind of going around you know, some of these um some of these boards of control, some of these commissions. So I don't know how this all all plays out. I mean, I have a hard time believe and we're gonna see him back in the ring in the spring or even the first half of that's just my my gut feeling on this. UM. A big fight that was revealed this week over at Boxing Scene, Stephen Fulton Naoya in a way hundred and twenty two pounds unified championship fight that is happening over in Japan. Um, I say it's happening, Keith, But I mean, how how sure are we a fight like this of this magnitude, a kind of fight we don't get a lot in boxing. How sure are we that this fight is going to take place? Well, I've been told that the contracts have been exchanged, that that happened yesterday. I believe UM. And my coworker, you know, Jake Donovan, has been on top of the story. Um, you know the contracts were exchanged yesterday. It is happening. And credit to Stephen Fulton, who was for a while looking like he was going to go into a rematch with Brandon Figaro, which is a fight people wanted to see again, and their first fight was was one of the best action fights of There was some controversy, and I thought Fulton won the fight, but there was some controversy regarding to scoring. It's a fight people wanted to see again. It's not a mega fight or anything like that. But it's a very good fight people wanted to see. It would have happened at one six this time. Um. But Fulton two. I can't give Stephen Fulton enough credit for doing what he's doing because the safer thing to do would have been to fight figure Row again. Now, of course that's a fight he could have lost. The first fight was very competitive, um, and he would have been paid well for it. But he's going to be paid a lot of money. But he's going over to Japan now, Yes, in a way, is moving up from one eighteen to one. That's Stephen Fulton's weight class. UM. But he's one of the biggest punchers in boxing. He's widely regarded as one of the two or three best pound for pound fighters in the world for the last four or five years. He's fighting him in Japan. Everything is stacked up. He's fighting a puncher who's consider you're one of the best fighters on earth. In Japan, the deck is stacked completely against Stephen Fulton. He said, I don't care, this is who I'm fighting. Go make it happen. And for the people who are constantly criticizing the PBC or al Hayman for protecting his fighters or not working with other promoters, yet they did not provo. Stephen Fulton primarily deserves the most credit because he yes, I know behind the scenes, he pushed for this fight to happen. He didn't want to ultimately did not want to hear about any other fights. He wanted this fight. He knows it's a mega fight. There was a sacrifice on the side of PBC and they had to let their fighter go do what he really wanted. Um. But the fight is going to be streamed, probably on ESPN Plus in the the United States, not going to be on Showtime, which has televised a lot of Fulton's fights in the last few years. Um. It takes come off the hook financially some you know, to some degree, because I don't pay for the fight. But in a way, such a huge star over there and does such big gates and has huge television and streaming deals there. But but again I just go back to I can't commence Stephen Fulton enough for doing what he's doing here. I couldn't agree more. Um, you know, I expected in a way to go for a big fight in his first fight at one I just always kind of guessed it would be m Jack Wadalai of um Akmadala is dealing with an injury or coming off an injury. He's also got like ninety seven mandatories that he's got to deal with to keep his titles. But I just kind of assumed, because Akua Dalai of really has no fan base and has no network necessarily full thrown behind him, that he would be the guy to go over to Japan. When this was first reported, I was shocked. I was shocked, not just that Stephen Fulton was going to do this fight, but because, like you said, he was gonna go to Japan, he was gonna do it on a different network. He's going into hostile territory there. He's gonna make a lot of mine to do it, Like he'll he'll get paid for this fight. But to do something like this, you just don't see it enough enough in boxing, And this is the kind of fight, Keith, I don't know how you feel about this. Like I tweeted something like this out on on Thursday, that very you don't see too much of a shake up in the pound for pound rankings too often. Usually takes like a Bevil Canelo level event to really change the pound for pound rankings this fight. I think it's gonna do it because if in a way wins and beat Stephen Fulton in his first fight at one two, he is going to have a compelling case to be the number one pound for pound fighter in all of boxing. If Fulton wins, I don't have him in my top ten right now. He's kind of in that ten to fifteen range on my list. But if he wins, not only do I think he's top ten, I think he's top five. Like you beat a legitimate top five pound for pound guy and you're undefeated, and you're you're fighting, um, you know, on enemy territory, you deserve that kind of bump in these pound for pound rankings. And one thing about Stephendon, like a lot of guys say they want all the smoke, like Stephen Fulton really seems to be that guy. I mean, look at some of the fighters he's faced, the number of undefeated fighters he's faced. You know, a couple of fights ago for the world title, Angelo Leo undefeated, he fights Brandon figaroa undefeated at that time, and now he's gonna go over and take on maybe pound for pound the biggest puncher in all of boxing in Japan. It is. You know, I just like want to clap like bravo Stephen Fulton for doing this, because look, win or lose, I get he's gonna gain something out of this from me. Like he loses, he goes. It was up to I don't think he loses much in in terms of status. He wins all of a sudden, he's a big deal with a chance to make a lot more money down the line. Right and even even if he loses, as you said, Chris, he comes back to the PBC and the Figaroa fight is still there for him. You know, he can you know, he can fight Figaroa again at one six. That's a that's a fight that people want to see. There. They're plenty of options for him in the PBC universe. If he loses the fight. Now, he wins the fight, his whole career changes, his whole life changes, you know, so um again, you know, I don't we're just repeating ourselves here. But but because it's so uncommon, based on what he's doing, particularly for a PBC fighter to leave the PBC universe for this fight on a different network in a different country, against a murderous puncher. I mean, wow, you know, so, you know, kudos to him. It's gonna be a very tough fight for him to win because he's not a big puncher, and he's a great boxer, and he's a tough guy. He's a Philly guy. He's a tough guy, has a world of confidence. But it's a very difficult fight, even though in a way is moving up four pounds from so um. You know, very much looking forward to that fight, whether it's you know, six o'clock in the morning, seven o'clock in the morning, whatever it might be. H just an excellent, excellent fight and hopefully with him doing what he's doing with Javante Davis saying I'm fighting Ryan Garcia, I don't care what anyone else wants, you know, and and fighting what was not an easy fight against Hector Luis Garcia as what would support a tune up per se um. You know, maybe this will inspire some of the other PBC fighters to do things outside of the realm of what mostly has been done over the last few years. Yeah, PBC or any fighter, if you if there's a fight you want, you've got power like you can push for it. Look what Stephen Fulton just did. Look what Javante Davis and Ryan Garcia just did. Like it can be done. There can be cross promotional events that that can get done real quick. Do you have any reaction to Adrian Browner versus Hank Lundy on pay per view in February replacing Ivan read Catch. Do you have any reaction to h Are you more excited about that or Gidre Staverne? I'll put it that way. It looks like Gidre stavern is going to happen. I'm still not convinced Bron and Hank Lundy is How are they selling tickets to that? Who's jeez, there's so many things working against them. They're good. I like and I know you've you've probably got you know, being in the Philly area, you've you've met Hank Glundia a bunch of times. I like hand Glundia a lot like he is a really like um. I saw him. I went down to do a story on Browner in Colorado before his fight against marcros Madonna, and Hank Lundie was his sparring partner for that fight, and it was the most bizarre sparring session I've ever seen because Mike Stafford, the trainer for Adrian Broner, just let them do like eighteen minute rounds, so all they're doing in the ring is like wailing away at each other and talking ship the entire time. He's like, Yeah, yeah, I hooked up with you a girl. I'd up with you a girl. I hooked up with your mom, hooked up with your mom. It was like it was wild watching those two kind of go back and forth. So you know, they'll definitely be some trash talk before the fight. But you know, heck, Glundie has lost like what three fights or something in a row, four out of five something like that. I'm not I'm not defending the fight now. I'm not supporting it in anyway, but he actually gave Jose's a pay to a tougher fight than people realize. When it was too I think it was two fights before the Pay of Thought Regis program, but it was the Paidis first fight after the Branches fight, which was a knockdown, drag out fight year and I wondered was it a reflection of zapay to not having anything left or or Hank Glundy having more left than people realized. But again putting that on pay per view is is just nuts, and I don't know that it's going to happen for a variety of reasons. First, I know Browner's training well, he trained, He put in an entire training camp, and then the day or Monday, but I think it was the Monday of fight we withdrew from the fight against against mar fiaroa junior five months ago he pulled and he said he wasn't in the right headspace too. I mean, there's so many things working against this that may lead to it not happening, and let's just hope it doesn't because, yeah, I saw you mentioned as a pay to fight. I saw Lundy fight Alex Martin in Texas that was on an undercard, and he was not competitive in that fight. And Alex Martin is kind of a fringey guy who fought Michael mckinson a couple of fights before that. It was, yeah, that that's fresh in my mind, and he lost another fight after that to another kind of lesser tier guy. So I'm not expecting a ton in this fight from HAGLUNDI. I guess my bigger issue is, like, what what do you if you're be okay? Prime and you're paying Adrian Browner a bunch of money, and you're gonna pay Hank Lundi a little bit of money. Like, what's the plan? Somebody please outline the plan for me. Tell me how this works. If Browner's out there saying they're gonna let me fight anybody you know over the next year, Like, how does this work? I don't. I don't get it. It's it's boxing, so we see stuff like this happen periodically, but like this is the boxing equivalent of lighting money on fire. I just don't. I don't understand the strategy with with these types of events. I just don't would would would appear to be losing money. Yes, if that's the strategy, it is an excellent one, excellent one. At this point, Keith, you enjoy Guidre Staverne on Saturday night. I know he'll be ringside in Florida in your hotel room right now, second moment. Yeah, stuff, Keith, appreciate it. Man, Good to talk to you. When we come back. 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All right, here we go again. It feels like every few years we see a top level m m A fighter, a popular m A fighter believe he can make it in boxing. A few years ago, it was Connor McGregor. The last couple of years, we have seen Ben Askrin and Tyron Woodley get into the ring. Now we have Frances Naganu. France Naganu is the former UFC heavyweight champion. He has been released from any UFC contractual obligations. UH. This according to Dana Whites, he is free and clear to sign with any promotional entity that he wants, being Bellator, PFL, someplace overseas. But Naganu, he seems interested in getting into boxing and following a number of elite m m A guys down that path. To talk about that, I want to bring in Daniel Cormier, the two division former UFC World champion. He is a UFC broadcast or. His podcast d C m m A and his YouTube page are available on the Volume Sports Network d C. Good to talk to you man, Thanks for having me so. I wanted to get your perspective on this because you've followed Francis Thea Ganu for the entirety of his UFC career. Uh. The Ganu clearly seems motivated to get into boxing. UH. Here's what he said on Tuesday during an appearance with Ariel Hawaani. What is your prediction. I think everyone wants to know, all right, because when you fight, it's going to be the one of the biggest stories of the year. What is your gut saying, like, are you do you think we see France are going to compete in anything July? June? May? What are you feeling at this point? Um? Hopefully somewhere somewhere the latest will be July. I will say so, okay, uh, hopefully so at least twice a year. Who is this year? Okay? And what what? What is your gut telling you? Leaning boxing or m m A in this fight before July? What are you thinking? My god? I would say it boxing boxing, okay? And a pro boxing about yeah yeah, pro books wow? Um, but pro books and you know where I really want to shoot that? No yet okay, And you don't know with who I'm gonna find out. I'm working on it. I'm on it right now. Okay. So let's jump right in. What do you make of Francis de Ganu looking to get into boxing. I think that it's interesting because he's got so much power and obviously he has that that intrigue of being a UFC Heavingway champion, right, You've seen him knocked people out with so many different ways, and you wonder allowed if that power translates for the boxinging. Obviously, he is going to be wearing much bigger gloves, wear stand on gloves as an everyweight boxer, opposed to four of gloves that we were in the UFC. So there's a lot of intrigue in regards to him making a jump. But what makes it more interesting for me is that he is he is going into the uf going into boxing. He's going into boxing, but with UH the belt and also big name opponents already on the radar. Because generally a guy with that level of experience in boxing would not be talking about Tyson Fury or Deontay Wildon. It would be talking about guys more on the club level. This guy's talking about world championships only due to the fact that he was a world champion in the UFC. So, as I mentioned at the top, we have seen this story before. We have seen former UFC fighters get into boxing, whether it is McGregor or Woodley or anybody else that has tried to make that leap end it hasn't been successful. Quite frankly, it's been pretty bad. The end results. UH knockout for Connor Vergregor's knockout for Tyrone Woodley in his last fight against Jake Paul. Is there anything about Francis de Gano, about his skill set, the way that he fights that makes you believe he will be more successful than others when getting into boxing, not less Sharley, you know, manic, because here's the deal, he's a bit wild um, but he possesses such power that it's the ultimate equalizer. Right. Even in the serial gun fight he saw the last time he was getting beat and the striking he ended up pivoting and using his wrestling. But to me and it would be less skilled, but it's Beyonce Wilder, right, While there is a guy that has a ton of power, but he does a lot of things technically not the right way. But if he can hit you, he can put you out. We saw him get out class by Tyson Fury up until getting those knocked downs at the end of the fight, salvage and the fight the way he did second fight, he got out classed and lost in the way that he lost in the last time they fought. He lost when he fought valiantly in regards to Landing, even though they come from aut angles. That's Francis. Francis will hit you from different angles and because he possesses all that power, he can hurt you. But to me, he's no Fury. He's no like fugilistic specialists. He's a guy that has big power that if he lands, he can hurt you. If you were advising him, what would you tell him about going into boxing? I think the biggest fight right now? Right because another party said today he turned to win eight million dollar contract can fight in the UFC. So obviously in boxing he's getting a bigger pay there. But the big painting only comes when you're standing across from the biggest, most dangerous guy in the world. They're not gonna pay him ten million dollars to fight uh some random guy and pay him ten million dollars to fight uh Deontay Wilder to fight uh Tyson Fury. Are those guys at that level because they bring in the eyeballs in the intrigue of the fight. So take the biggest fight right now? Do you think there's any risk to him doing that? Not just in the fight because look, friends of the guy who is a phenomenal mm A fighter, but if he goes up against Tyson Fury, that is gonna end horribly for him. It just is he's going to get I think Tyson toys with him and I think eventually stops him. It's not disrespectful. I don't think to say that, because as if Tyson Fury ever stepped into the cage, he would get worked over equally as bad. It's just it's a different it's a different type of combat sports. So like for the GANU, like if he does that, let's say in July, with Tyson Fury maybe reigning as the undisputed heavyweight champion, is there a downside for him as far as the rest of his career goes. You know, it's the crazy The craziest thing about Francis in situation is that if Francis will Is out there and fight Fightson Fury gets knocked out, makes fifty million dollars. There are still so many organizations that would line up to have him fighting their heavy dimensions and may organization. Right, he can fight Delator, he can fight the PFL, he can fight in Russia, he can fight one of Baron knuckle boxing is obviously, there's so many options for him, and I don't know, if he's limited to one fight, you may have one big fight, but then he may have some other boxing fights that you could potentially win. But I think it's, uh you gotta cash in right now, man, because you didn't for our reason and that reason they had to me and won't fight one of the best boxes in the world. You know. One of my theories d C Is that it would might benefit Naganu to go into another high level mm A fight just to kind of reestablish his name, his credentials because he was white hot last January. He's still very well known as we as we see with all the talk about him over the last you know, a couple of days, but I think some of the buzz has gone off him a little bit. I think it might behoove him to step into the pfl or Bellator one of these other uh mm A entities and fight. But I guess the question would be is it too big a risk for him to do that? Like how risky is it for a guy like Naganu to face one of the other top fighters in the other combats mixed martial arts entities. I just think that if he was gonna fight m m A, was gonna be in the UFC, right, we don't leave the UFC to fight m m A somewhere else, I think so I don't, And even if he did, there's not much risk in heavy weights around the world beating him outside of the best guys in the world. Here's where the risk for me is in francis this situation going and fighting some boxing dude that isn't the best in the world and moving to them and then you lose out on the mass of fading. That's where the danger is. The danger in him fighting another m m A organization is very, very small. He's gonna beat the vast majority of any weights in the world in the mixed martial arts competition. But I think that as you've seen the last couple of days, maybe his name isn't ringing bells for what he did inside the octagon, but the stance that he's taken on everything uh is making him still all very important to the landscape of mixed martial arts and noncombat sports in general. Yeah, I think it's a terrible idea to go fight like Otto Volleen or you know, Louis Ortiz like you don't you don't run the risk of those guys Yeah, there's no upside to to do that. I think everybody's kind of on the same page. And look, Fury, I think he'd run to that fight in the summertime. Like if Fury winds up beating Sick, the last thing Fury wants to do after that is fight Deontay Wilder for the fact she didn't want to do that. He wants the eighty thousand in Wembley and to make thirty million dollars in a fight that presents virtually no risk, nonimal risk, animal risks. Let me ask you one other thing in your mind, does it diminish m m A fighters to have, you know, all this kind of keep happening, whether it's McGregor Woodley, maybe Nigana go into boxing and really just not be competitive in these fights. Is there a downside? D m m A. I just think that. I just think that I don't necessarily know, because everybody goes into these fights with the understanding that these guys are up against it, right, So it's it's it's not as if MMA guys like myself and the depundits. I'll saying Frances and g is gonna go and beat and Fury. You understand it is so when the result happens, If it happens in that way, it's kind of what was expecting. But what happens if he wins, then the whole world is on its axis, right, So I think Tyler Woodley getting stopped the waited. When you're losing the YouTubers, that's a problem. But when you're losing the guys like Floyd Mayweather and and in Tyson's here isn't crazy though, that Francis and Connor worked themselves to be so valuable that in their pull debuts they fought those guys. That's where the that's where the credits sits right, And those guys building such a resume are having so much surrounding them that we get those levels of fights. In fight number one, I remember watching Connor walked to the ring to fight Floyd, and I thought to myself, Wow, he actually did it. Regardless of what happens, he actually like he willed to fight against Floyd Mayweather into existence. And I feel the same way about Francis and Ghana. They did, and and boxers love the passion of mm A fans because even if there's like a one percent chance that their guy can win, m m A fans will throw eighty bucks down on the table and they will buy that freaking fight, no question. I was literally sitting there going, oh my god, the left hand is gonna land on Floyd. No, like my best mind told me, my best element. I've watched Floyd me whether it beat the best boxes in the world. But the whole time everything, you know, m A. Fans we say this, every fight starts on the feet, right, so like you can think him down later. But I'm thinking every fight starts with kind of getting off the stool and he's gonna knock I'll floy me in it. And then slowly you start these hoping to realize he was never gonna knock elfloy me with it, you know. But it is, you know, like we're thick, we're very fickle, and we're very like gullible. Yeah, it's amazing. Daniel Cormier check out his podcast on the YouTube page at d C m m A. Good to talk to, DC. Appreciate your time, man, my man, Thank you. Off the Brasil you guys, tune into three this weekend. All right when we come back. Okay. This week's picks brought to you by Fan Duel. Time Now for this week's picks, brought to you by our friends over at Fan Duel. I am two and oh in two thousand twenty three. It wasn't that hard, but I gave you Gavante Davis by knockout. I even put a little money on Hector Luis Garcia a couple of weeks ago. It was worth it. It was worth it for like six rounds. I was kind of tantalized by the possibility that he could win. But he didn't. Put most of my money on your Banta my knockout, and that was the right thing to do it. This week, the big fight is over in the UK Chris you Bank Junior Liam Smith hundred sixty pounds. You Bank Junior is the favorite minus to sixty. Liam Smith almost the two to one underdog at plus one. I like you Bank Junior in this fight, and that's tough to say because you Bank Junior can be just so smart me sometimes. But the key to this fight to me is the weight. At one, Liam'smith is really good. He's not a journey mean, his level above journeyman. He beats a lot of journeyman. So at one four against like an Anthony Fowler at one four against Jesse Vargas. Liam Smith is good. Liam Smith can win at one sixty. I just think that's too high a weight class for him to successfully fight his style against someone the talent level of Chris Eubank Junior. He's just not gonna bill a bully um in the ring. And if he tries you Bank is gonna be as big or bigger. He's gonna have good counters. I think Chris you Bank Jr. Is going to win this fight. Uh method of victory You Bank Junior by decisions at plus one ten. That's the bet I like as well. You Bank has a tendency to kind of show boat in the later rounds of fights. So if he's up, I think he's gonna try to pick Liam Smith apart. Maybe you have a little bit of fun in the ring, try to do a little bit of the Roy Jones as Roy Jones is his trainer. Uh So I like Christian Bank Junior by decisions. So Chris Eubank Junior to win minus two sixty, I have to bet big to make some money there. Chris you Bank by points or decision plus one ten. That's where you can make a little bit of cash as well. Those are my picks, brought to you by Vandel. Well that's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Keith Idach and Daniel Cormier for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcast, and I'll see you next week