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Craziest audiences in the world, but you are incredibly dedicated, and I appreciate that. I think boxing needs more fans like all of you, because your impassion is unbelievable, even when that passion is weaponized against me, which it happens every so often. So for you guys, not much changes out there. You'll still get this podcast every Wednesday. I'm going to try to have more two pod weeks. The feedback when I do that has been terrific. We're ass going to be doing more on YouTube. We have a dedicated section now on the Volume sports tube channel. I encourage everyone to subscribe there. That page has nearly seven hundred thousand subs and is growing by the week. I'm also determined at some point during this new deal to do a live show. We have come close a few times to doing one, just not worked out for one reason or another. But I really want to bring a live show to Vegas, maybe New York, Southern California, somewhere where there is a major boxing event. So excited about the present and excited about the future here at the volume excited about today's show as well.

How's that for a transition.

How's that for a transition.

Virgil Ortiz undefeated welterweight contender. He is back in action this weekend against Amonta Stanionis. This has fight of the year potential or tees and standionis too skilled.

Virgil Ortiz undefeated welterweight contender. He is back in action this weekend against Amonta Stanionis. This has fight of the year potential or tees and standionis too skilled.

Heavy handed one hundred and forty seven pounders.

Heavy handed one hundred and forty seven pounders.

I talked to Virgil about the fight, about his recent battle with a somewhat mysterious illness, I would say, and how he sees the welterweight division shaping up over the next year. But first, a lot of news in boxing, as there always is. We have a new opponent for Canelo Alvarez, a familiar one for Anthony Joshua, and a couple of heavyweights doing what heavyweights like to do, which is arguing over purse splits on social media. So to break it all down, I'm joined by Mike Coppinger, ESPN Boxing Insider, most plugged in guy in the game I must follow on social media for all boxing fans, and Mike, let's start with the Charlo switcheroo that happened this past week, which took me a minute to wrap my head around. I actually had to send a few text messages and make a couple of calls just to make sure there wasn't a typo. When we saw the poster for Canelo versus Jermal Charlo. Canelo, of course, had been preparing for a showdown with Jermal Charlo, who is the one hundred and sixty pound title holder. Sometime over the last few weeks that changed. Now Canelo is going to face his brother Jermel, who is the undisputed champion at one fifty four. It will be the first time in men's boxing during the four belt era that we get undisputed against undisputed.

I talked to Virgil about the fight, about his recent battle with a somewhat mysterious illness, I would say, and how he sees the welterweight division shaping up over the next year. But first, a lot of news in boxing, as there always is. We have a new opponent for Canelo Alvarez, a familiar one for Anthony Joshua, and a couple of heavyweights doing what heavyweights like to do, which is arguing over purse splits on social media. So to break it all down, I'm joined by Mike Coppinger, ESPN Boxing Insider, most plugged in guy in the game I must follow on social media for all boxing fans, and Mike, let's start with the Charlo switcheroo that happened this past week, which took me a minute to wrap my head around. I actually had to send a few text messages and make a couple of calls just to make sure there wasn't a typo. When we saw the poster for Canelo versus Jermal Charlo. Canelo, of course, had been preparing for a showdown with Jermal Charlo, who is the one hundred and sixty pound title holder. Sometime over the last few weeks that changed. Now Canelo is going to face his brother Jermel, who is the undisputed champion at one fifty four. It will be the first time in men's boxing during the four belt era that we get undisputed against undisputed.

So you and I might have been reporting on.

So you and I might have been reporting on.

This for for a few days now, How did we get here? How did we get to the point where Jamal steps out and Jamal steps in?

This for for a few days now, How did we get here? How did we get to the point where Jamal steps out and Jamal steps in?

Well, first off, to make things very clear for the listeners, as you and I both know, mke no mist think about it.

Well, first off, to make things very clear for the listeners, as you and I both know, mke no mist think about it.

He was going to fight Jermal Charlote. This is a late change.

He was going to fight Jermal Charlote. This is a late change.

I'm told this got finalized last week that the Canelo aside was contacted and told basically, Jamal Charlo is not going to be ready, as you reported, He's not ready. You know he hasn't fought in two years. He's dealing with personal issues. Do you mind if Damel slides in and Canelo didn't care? Of course, why would he? I mean, Jammel is a one hundred and fifty four pounder. I don't think there's a big difference between fighting both the Charlos besides them being twin brothers. And I think Canoo I don't think Canolo really cared, so now I think I think it's a pretty big fire.

I'm told this got finalized last week that the Canelo aside was contacted and told basically, Jamal Charlo is not going to be ready, as you reported, He's not ready. You know he hasn't fought in two years. He's dealing with personal issues. Do you mind if Damel slides in and Canelo didn't care? Of course, why would he? I mean, Jammel is a one hundred and fifty four pounder. I don't think there's a big difference between fighting both the Charlos besides them being twin brothers. And I think Canoo I don't think Canolo really cared, so now I think I think it's a pretty big fire.

I think the reaction has been pretty good on social media.

I think the reaction has been pretty good on social media.

I had the same reaction as you because I did not realize as it happens, and I was like a whoa. So the one thing that my first reaction is I see a lot of people saying, oh, well, Jameal Charlo is six foot, he's taller than Cano.

I had the same reaction as you because I did not realize as it happens, and I was like a whoa. So the one thing that my first reaction is I see a lot of people saying, oh, well, Jameal Charlo is six foot, he's taller than Cano.

I don't care. There's a big difference between being taller than.

I don't care. There's a big difference between being taller than.

Somebody and being a guy like Canelo, who's fought seven times at one hundred and sixty eight pounds twice at one seventy five.

Somebody and being a guy like Canelo, who's fought seven times at one hundred and sixty eight pounds twice at one seventy five.

Jameal Charlo has never fought above one fifty four.

Jameal Charlo has never fought above one fifty four.

There's a world of difference between being able to fill out of that frame and I have no doubt that he could fill out at that frame in time and fighting an elite fighter, an all time great in your very first fight two week classes above.

There's a world of difference between being able to fill out of that frame and I have no doubt that he could fill out at that frame in time and fighting an elite fighter, an all time great in your very first fight two week classes above.

Yeah, it's a lot to ask. I do want to add on to something you said.

Yeah, it's a lot to ask. I do want to add on to something you said.

I know there were some people that probably believe something nefarious was going on behind the scenes, that Jermale Charlo was always going to take this fight.

I know there were some people that probably believe something nefarious was going on behind the scenes, that Jermale Charlo was always going to take this fight.

I'm with you.

I'm with you.

This was going to be a Jamal Charlo Canelo Alva fight, a fight that's been talked about for you know, two three years now. I mean we've been discussing these two getting in the ring. First when Canelo was at middleweight. Last was last year when PBC made a substantial offer to Canelo to fight Jamal Charlo. That was when Canelo accepted the bevol fight went with Glofkin for the second fight, so he went that direction. Jamal Charlo has been dealing with a lot over the last couple of years. He's been dealing with physical issues with his back, but probably even more significant have been the personal issues he's been dealing with. And so this is not some there's nothing steaky going on here. Jamal Charlo wanted this fight, but he's going through a lot in his personal life right now, and he and his team just didn't believe that he'd be ready or at least be focused enough for a fight of this Magazude. This would have been the biggest fight of Jamal Charlo's career, hands down, a chance to fight a pound for pound great to make a career high payday. If you're going to take a fight like that, you want to be locked in for a fight like that. You want to be at your very best, and Jamal Charlo was not at his very best. You know, Jamel right place, right time in some ways, like you know, he's sitting there. He doesn't have an official fight yet with Tim Zoo. That's that's locked in. So the opportunity to fight Canelo Alvarez probably too good to pass up, too much money to pass up as well.

This was going to be a Jamal Charlo Canelo Alva fight, a fight that's been talked about for you know, two three years now. I mean we've been discussing these two getting in the ring. First when Canelo was at middleweight. Last was last year when PBC made a substantial offer to Canelo to fight Jamal Charlo. That was when Canelo accepted the bevol fight went with Glofkin for the second fight, so he went that direction. Jamal Charlo has been dealing with a lot over the last couple of years. He's been dealing with physical issues with his back, but probably even more significant have been the personal issues he's been dealing with. And so this is not some there's nothing steaky going on here. Jamal Charlo wanted this fight, but he's going through a lot in his personal life right now, and he and his team just didn't believe that he'd be ready or at least be focused enough for a fight of this Magazude. This would have been the biggest fight of Jamal Charlo's career, hands down, a chance to fight a pound for pound great to make a career high payday. If you're going to take a fight like that, you want to be locked in for a fight like that. You want to be at your very best, and Jamal Charlo was not at his very best. You know, Jamel right place, right time in some ways, like you know, he's sitting there. He doesn't have an official fight yet with Tim Zoo. That's that's locked in. So the opportunity to fight Canelo Alvarez probably too good to pass up, too much money to pass up as well.

So you kind of touched on this.

So you kind of touched on this.

But you know, Jamel has been more active than Jamal, but he's been off for some time now with that hand injury.

But you know, Jamel has been more active than Jamal, but he's been off for some time now with that hand injury.

Uh do you look at.

Uh do you look at.

Jermel versus Canelo as being more or less competitive than Jamal versus Canelo would have been.

Jermel versus Canelo as being more or less competitive than Jamal versus Canelo would have been.

I think that's like the million dollar question right now, Right in light of the recent views, and one thing I want to make clear is while Jamel Turtle has been more active than his twin brother Jamal, he has not been very active at all. Since his September twenty twenty win over Jason Rosario Canelo. He's for just twice. Those are two fights with Brian Castano. First fight, Life and Death. I thought it was a robbery. Cassana should have won, as that I think everybody else, and then he knocks to Kasana out in the rematch. In that same time span Cannel where Aliver is the sport seven times, So that's another thing Jamell is gonna be dealing with.

I think that's like the million dollar question right now, Right in light of the recent views, and one thing I want to make clear is while Jamel Turtle has been more active than his twin brother Jamal, he has not been very active at all. Since his September twenty twenty win over Jason Rosario Canelo. He's for just twice. Those are two fights with Brian Castano. First fight, Life and Death. I thought it was a robbery. Cassana should have won, as that I think everybody else, and then he knocks to Kasana out in the rematch. In that same time span Cannel where Aliver is the sport seven times, So that's another thing Jamell is gonna be dealing with.

And we saw Cano.

And we saw Cano.

Probably not look his best against John Ryder. I think some of that asked to do with his first fight after hand surgery. Jamell Churlo is gonna be fight Cano in his first fight after breaking his hand in two plazes, and as somebody who's broken their hand a couple of times, it is your hand never quite feels the same.

Probably not look his best against John Ryder. I think some of that asked to do with his first fight after hand surgery. Jamell Churlo is gonna be fight Cano in his first fight after breaking his hand in two plazes, and as somebody who's broken their hand a couple of times, it is your hand never quite feels the same.

And I know they're athletes and they're gonna.

And I know they're athletes and they're gonna.

Have way better rehab and recovery, but I think you ask athletes to say the same thing. So I think Charlo's gonna be facing a lot here, and I do want so.

Have way better rehab and recovery, but I think you ask athletes to say the same thing. So I think Charlo's gonna be facing a lot here, and I do want so.

I don't know.

I don't know.

For me, it just keeps reminding me of Cano Alivers versus a mere Khan. I'm not I know Charleo's better than a mere con. He's bigger than a mere khn. I know this is money years later, but I remember when a Canolo km fight was announced, people were like, WHOA Colin's jumping up. He's gonna give Cano problems with his speed. I think the fight could look sort of similar short of the explosive knockout with Charlo, you know, using his jab and counter punching ability over the first half, and I think Canlo's gonna get him over the second half.

For me, it just keeps reminding me of Cano Alivers versus a mere Khan. I'm not I know Charleo's better than a mere con. He's bigger than a mere khn. I know this is money years later, but I remember when a Canolo km fight was announced, people were like, WHOA Colin's jumping up. He's gonna give Cano problems with his speed. I think the fight could look sort of similar short of the explosive knockout with Charlo, you know, using his jab and counter punching ability over the first half, and I think Canlo's gonna get him over the second half.

I think way too much is being made.

I think way too much is being made.

Chris of Canelo Alvarez is supposed to downfall. I mean, John Wright is a pretty good fighter, and Canel will still mopped the absolute sport with the guy gave him a you know, savage beating.

Chris of Canelo Alvarez is supposed to downfall. I mean, John Wright is a pretty good fighter, and Canel will still mopped the absolute sport with the guy gave him a you know, savage beating.

One more thing I want to add before you know.

One more thing I want to add before you know.

I know you're going to move on, but I was sexy with Tim Zoo over the weekends and I was like, how do you feel about this? Because I think this is an example for other fighters. You know Jamelle, you know Timsu thought he was gonna fight Jamel Charlo again after that January twenty eighth fight was rescheduled, and instead of waiting around, he stayed active, beat up Tony Harrison ninth round knockout, and knocked out Carlos at Campo in one round last month, and now Tims he doesn't even have a Charlo fight. So what if he had sat around and I was sexy with Tim Zoo and he said, you know, the reality is that Canelo should be fighting Benavidez and I should be fighting Charlo.

I know you're going to move on, but I was sexy with Tim Zoo over the weekends and I was like, how do you feel about this? Because I think this is an example for other fighters. You know Jamelle, you know Timsu thought he was gonna fight Jamel Charlo again after that January twenty eighth fight was rescheduled, and instead of waiting around, he stayed active, beat up Tony Harrison ninth round knockout, and knocked out Carlos at Campo in one round last month, and now Tims he doesn't even have a Charlo fight. So what if he had sat around and I was sexy with Tim Zoo and he said, you know, the reality is that Canelo should be fighting Benavidez and I should be fighting Charlo.

You've both waited two years.

You've both waited two years.

And he also said, quote he had one last fight because he was going to lose, so he took the.

And he also said, quote he had one last fight because he was going to lose, so he took the.

One with the bigger pay.

One with the bigger pay.

He's a businessman and I have no qualms with that.

He's a businessman and I have no qualms with that.

I do think the ripple effects of what happened there with the Charlos should be twofold one. The WBO should elevate Timzu to full champion. He has earned that distinction. He's the interim title holder. He has fought twice this year.

I do think the ripple effects of what happened there with the Charlos should be twofold one. The WBO should elevate Timzu to full champion. He has earned that distinction. He's the interim title holder. He has fought twice this year.

I don't even know.

I don't even know.

I'd be surprised, quite frankly, if after this fight with Canelo win or lose.

I'd be surprised, quite frankly, if after this fight with Canelo win or lose.

We see Jermeal Charlo back at one fifty four.

We see Jermeal Charlo back at one fifty four.

You just that's just too much weight to put on and then drop back at Jermal has been at one to fifty four for some time. So the WBO should elevate Timzuo to that full title holder.

You just that's just too much weight to put on and then drop back at Jermal has been at one to fifty four for some time. So the WBO should elevate Timzuo to that full title holder.

And the WBC.

And the WBC.

Look, they've been letting Jamal Charlow hold his claim on that WBC belt for some time and he hasn't defended it in over two years. I understand the personal issues are significant, but Carlos Adamis has earned the right to be called the WBC middleweight title holder.

Look, they've been letting Jamal Charlow hold his claim on that WBC belt for some time and he hasn't defended it in over two years. I understand the personal issues are significant, but Carlos Adamis has earned the right to be called the WBC middleweight title holder.

He has been active.

He has been active.

He just had a quality win over Julian Williams, albeit one with some controversy there at the end, but he was probably gonna win that fight one way or the other. He deserves to be the full middleweight champion, and Jamal Charlo should be the champion in recess. The WBC uses that that distinction all the time, they've used it in the past, they should use that for you for Jamal Charlo, So those would be the sanctioning body ripple effects I'd like to see happen with this.

He just had a quality win over Julian Williams, albeit one with some controversy there at the end, but he was probably gonna win that fight one way or the other. He deserves to be the full middleweight champion, and Jamal Charlo should be the champion in recess. The WBC uses that that distinction all the time, they've used it in the past, they should use that for you for Jamal Charlo, So those would be the sanctioning body ripple effects I'd like to see happen with this.

Yeah, I agreed. I mean sensioning bodies.

Yeah, I agreed. I mean sensioning bodies.

You and I complain all the time, rightfully, so when they make these interim champions, these were two instances where there was actually a rightful interim champion. If you're gonna make the interim champion, you actually have to follow through, and when the champion is not fighting, actually stripped them because why else have the interim champion other than the real reason is you want to gobble up extra sensioning fees. So Paco told us over the weekend that as the possibility that Charlo enters the ring as the WBO champion, but he's stripped immediately after the fight, which is not surprising. I know they want to say undisputed champion versus undisputed champion, And I, like you said, I would be shocked at Charlo fights at one fifty four. Again, he's a big guy to begin with, dropping that. You know traditionally when fighters move up in wait, they don't come back down, especially two weight classes. Yeah, I gonna go up to one sixty eight and then come back down to fifty four.

You and I complain all the time, rightfully, so when they make these interim champions, these were two instances where there was actually a rightful interim champion. If you're gonna make the interim champion, you actually have to follow through, and when the champion is not fighting, actually stripped them because why else have the interim champion other than the real reason is you want to gobble up extra sensioning fees. So Paco told us over the weekend that as the possibility that Charlo enters the ring as the WBO champion, but he's stripped immediately after the fight, which is not surprising. I know they want to say undisputed champion versus undisputed champion, And I, like you said, I would be shocked at Charlo fights at one fifty four. Again, he's a big guy to begin with, dropping that. You know traditionally when fighters move up in wait, they don't come back down, especially two weight classes. Yeah, I gonna go up to one sixty eight and then come back down to fifty four.

Now, And I have no problem with Jermeal Charlo holding onto that title through September thirtieth. I mean it is It's cool to say undisputed against undisputed. It's a marketing ploy. It makes the fight a little bit bigger. But to your point, the second that fight is over, one way or the other, Jermeal Charlot needs to be the former WBO one hundred and fifty four pound champion. Am I wrong to think, Mike that how this played out could work out phenomenally for Canelo Alvarez Because we've talked about this three fight deal for the last couple of weeks since you first reported on it. First fight, we knew was going to be Jamal, at least we thought it was going to be Jamal. The final fight was largely you know, Earmark for David Benavitez.

Now, And I have no problem with Jermeal Charlo holding onto that title through September thirtieth. I mean it is It's cool to say undisputed against undisputed. It's a marketing ploy. It makes the fight a little bit bigger. But to your point, the second that fight is over, one way or the other, Jermeal Charlot needs to be the former WBO one hundred and fifty four pound champion. Am I wrong to think, Mike that how this played out could work out phenomenally for Canelo Alvarez Because we've talked about this three fight deal for the last couple of weeks since you first reported on it. First fight, we knew was going to be Jamal, at least we thought it was going to be Jamal. The final fight was largely you know, Earmark for David Benavitez.

It seemed like that would be the final fight. I don't know. I couldn't figure out what the middle fight was going to be.

It seemed like that would be the final fight. I don't know. I couldn't figure out what the middle fight was going to be.

Was it going to be like Demitrice Andre, who Canelo has not fought at multiple weight classes over the years. Was somebody else going to emerge from the PBC universe. Now you have a situation here where if Canelo fights Jermal Charlo and wins, maybe Jamal gets a fight November December, before the end of the year, and he's ready to go in May. Uh, you know there's a marketability to that. I beat your brother, now I'm gonna beat any other your other brother. I'm gonna be your brother. Uh. It feels like and Canelo, who's not taking a pay cut for this Jamal Charlo fight. He's gonna make every nickel he was promised by the PBC for fighting Jamal Charlo. He could go into a fight with Jamal next year and make another thirty five forty million dollars. This could work out phenomenally for Canelo Alvarez.

Was it going to be like Demitrice Andre, who Canelo has not fought at multiple weight classes over the years. Was somebody else going to emerge from the PBC universe. Now you have a situation here where if Canelo fights Jermal Charlo and wins, maybe Jamal gets a fight November December, before the end of the year, and he's ready to go in May. Uh, you know there's a marketability to that. I beat your brother, now I'm gonna beat any other your other brother. I'm gonna be your brother. Uh. It feels like and Canelo, who's not taking a pay cut for this Jamal Charlo fight. He's gonna make every nickel he was promised by the PBC for fighting Jamal Charlo. He could go into a fight with Jamal next year and make another thirty five forty million dollars. This could work out phenomenally for Canelo Alvarez.

Yeah, Chris, before this was even announcing that he was fighting Jamal, I had been hearing all of that Jermel was very likely going to be the second fight, and like, you know, to get revenge for Jamal, I thought he's gonna give up two weight classes. And the other name I've been hearing all along is Arrel Spence. I think there's a great chance at Earl Spence winner lose against Terrence Crawford, that we see Spence like Canel, where Albarez Spences talks about fighting Canel a whole lot, but he's a forty seven pounder that will be moving up.

Yeah, Chris, before this was even announcing that he was fighting Jamal, I had been hearing all of that Jermel was very likely going to be the second fight, and like, you know, to get revenge for Jamal, I thought he's gonna give up two weight classes. And the other name I've been hearing all along is Arrel Spence. I think there's a great chance at Earl Spence winner lose against Terrence Crawford, that we see Spence like Canel, where Albarez Spences talks about fighting Canel a whole lot, but he's a forty seven pounder that will be moving up.

Although I think that this.

Although I think that this.

You know, I think Spence in Crawford is probably gonna be both of their last fights at forty seven from what I've been hearing. But I think it's a perfect storyline. Jamal Charo can get a fight in, shake up the ring with us, hopefully you can get two fights in. Right, there's no reason why if you ever could saw through his personal issues. And by the way, I think you and I both agree that you don't blame him for not taking the fight if you're not ready, and I don't want to see somebody just take the payday right. People are paying a lot of money for the tickets to the fight in pay per view. So but that's a perfect story one Barry wwe as your favorite get the the twin brother trying to take revenge. I think that's perfect for the second fight. And one more thing to circle back from before when you were asking, you know, I've always thought that Jermal Charlo was a little bit better, and I think that was the conventional wisdom for a while. And I thought Charlo, you know, he's a bigger guy than Jermmel. He has a good sized strength, he has a great power. Job I thought it would have been a better matchup with Canelo. Thought the inactivity was a concern, as was his mental state. So I think Canelo versus Jermal Charlo with a couple of fights under his belts, that's the biggest fight.

You know, I think Spence in Crawford is probably gonna be both of their last fights at forty seven from what I've been hearing. But I think it's a perfect storyline. Jamal Charo can get a fight in, shake up the ring with us, hopefully you can get two fights in. Right, there's no reason why if you ever could saw through his personal issues. And by the way, I think you and I both agree that you don't blame him for not taking the fight if you're not ready, and I don't want to see somebody just take the payday right. People are paying a lot of money for the tickets to the fight in pay per view. So but that's a perfect story one Barry wwe as your favorite get the the twin brother trying to take revenge. I think that's perfect for the second fight. And one more thing to circle back from before when you were asking, you know, I've always thought that Jermal Charlo was a little bit better, and I think that was the conventional wisdom for a while. And I thought Charlo, you know, he's a bigger guy than Jermmel. He has a good sized strength, he has a great power. Job I thought it would have been a better matchup with Canelo. Thought the inactivity was a concern, as was his mental state. So I think Canelo versus Jermal Charlo with a couple of fights under his belts, that's the biggest fight.

Yeah, And you.

Yeah, And you.

Mentioned Jamel's hand injury, which has taken some time to heal. I mean they've delayed the Tim Zoo fight in part because the hand didn't heal quite as quickly, maybe as they expected. You can spar as much as you want with a hand injury, You're not gonna trust it right away when you're in the ring. It's gonna take you three, four, five rounds maybe more to really believe that it's okay. I mean I say that because Canelo told me the same thing after the fight against John Rodery. Didn't trust that injured hand for most of the first half of the fight. And if you're going into a fight against an elite fighter like Canelo Alvarez and you're a little unsure of your physical health, it just makes it that much more difficult to win and succeed at a high level.

Mentioned Jamel's hand injury, which has taken some time to heal. I mean they've delayed the Tim Zoo fight in part because the hand didn't heal quite as quickly, maybe as they expected. You can spar as much as you want with a hand injury, You're not gonna trust it right away when you're in the ring. It's gonna take you three, four, five rounds maybe more to really believe that it's okay. I mean I say that because Canelo told me the same thing after the fight against John Rodery. Didn't trust that injured hand for most of the first half of the fight. And if you're going into a fight against an elite fighter like Canelo Alvarez and you're a little unsure of your physical health, it just makes it that much more difficult to win and succeed at a high level.

So we'll see, we'll see what he can do.

So we'll see, we'll see what he can do.

I think it's I think it's just as marketable because of the undisputed factor.

I think it's I think it's just as marketable because of the undisputed factor.

But I don't know. I don't know that. I don't know I see a path.

But I don't know. I don't know that. I don't know I see a path.

To victory for Jamal Charlo in a fight like that unless Canelo is really slid, which I don't think. I'm with you, I don't think that's actually happened at this point. All right, let's look back at the fight this past weekend. Jared Anderson, one of the best heavyweight prospects in all of box He gets his first true test as a headliner, faces Charles Martin, who briefly held a version of the heavyweight title. First time for Jared Anderson to go the distance. He did put Charles Martin down in the third round, but I no one would say that was Jared Anderson's finest performance.

To victory for Jamal Charlo in a fight like that unless Canelo is really slid, which I don't think. I'm with you, I don't think that's actually happened at this point. All right, let's look back at the fight this past weekend. Jared Anderson, one of the best heavyweight prospects in all of box He gets his first true test as a headliner, faces Charles Martin, who briefly held a version of the heavyweight title. First time for Jared Anderson to go the distance. He did put Charles Martin down in the third round, but I no one would say that was Jared Anderson's finest performance.

In fact, you're seeing a lot.

In fact, you're seeing a lot.

Of stuff out there now about well, did we overrate Jared Anderson.

Of stuff out there now about well, did we overrate Jared Anderson.

He couldn't put down Charles Martin.

He couldn't put down Charles Martin.

Anthony Joshua did it in a couple of rounds. What was your takeaway from watching Jared Anderson against Charles Martin?

Anthony Joshua did it in a couple of rounds. What was your takeaway from watching Jared Anderson against Charles Martin?

That was the first thing I was thinking, Joshua all those years ago, you know, flattening Charles Martin. Charles Martin is a legitimate gatekeeper and you need those, and Jared Anderson did beat him, so you have to give him credit.

That was the first thing I was thinking, Joshua all those years ago, you know, flattening Charles Martin. Charles Martin is a legitimate gatekeeper and you need those, and Jared Anderson did beat him, so you have to give him credit.

It's no slous.

It's no slous.

To beat Charles Martin, but it certainly wasn't a sort of statement victory that I think people him.

To beat Charles Martin, but it certainly wasn't a sort of statement victory that I think people him.

And Topper are looking for. Right.

And Topper are looking for. Right.

It's not like fans are saying, oh, yeah, this guy's a definite heavyweight champion now.

It's not like fans are saying, oh, yeah, this guy's a definite heavyweight champion now.

But I think it was a.

But I think it was a.

Great learning experience with Jared Anderson. He got I don't want to say hurt. I think the broadcast was probably I didn't think he was not badly hurting any of those times about Charles Martin hinding a couple of good shots, but Jared face adversity. He won virtually every rounds. But I think as boxing fan, the media, or we want to see explosive knockouts from our future heavyweight champions. So I don't want to I don't want to have a knee Jerkria Jackson reaction here. I want to see Jared Anderson a couple more fights. I saw him on Twitter and maybe Michael Hunter is being thrown around. He fights Michael Hunter.

Great learning experience with Jared Anderson. He got I don't want to say hurt. I think the broadcast was probably I didn't think he was not badly hurting any of those times about Charles Martin hinding a couple of good shots, but Jared face adversity. He won virtually every rounds. But I think as boxing fan, the media, or we want to see explosive knockouts from our future heavyweight champions. So I don't want to I don't want to have a knee Jerkria Jackson reaction here. I want to see Jared Anderson a couple more fights. I saw him on Twitter and maybe Michael Hunter is being thrown around. He fights Michael Hunter.

I think that's a Michael Hunter wants every fight out there.

I think that's a Michael Hunter wants every fight out there.

Michael Hunter is one of those active tweeters when it comes to heavyweight contenders.

Michael Hunter is one of those active tweeters when it comes to heavyweight contenders.

I like that fight too. I mean, that's a difficult fight.

I like that fight too. I mean, that's a difficult fight.

I mean, Michael Hunter gets this reputation as a guy just moves around a lot. That's not the Michael Hunter I've seen in recent fights. I've seen Michael Hunter engage a lot more in his recent fights and has shown some power in some of those fights.

I mean, Michael Hunter gets this reputation as a guy just moves around a lot. That's not the Michael Hunter I've seen in recent fights. I've seen Michael Hunter engage a lot more in his recent fights and has shown some power in some of those fights.

So I'd love to see that fight.

So I'd love to see that fight.

Look when when a prospect steps up and goes the distance with an experienced opponent, I agree, I don't think the knee jerk reaction would be gets exposed. I Look, I think Jared Anderson could have made a statement by stopping Charles Martin, who, in addition to being stopped by Anthony Joshua, was also stopped by Luis Ortiz and took this fight on about two weeks note, so he was kind of ripe for getting a stoppage. It was Mike the second fight in a row that I've seen Jared Anderson get tagged a little bit, like he takes some punches. You go back to that fight at Madis Square Garden that he fought months ago. Jerry Forest hit him with some punches, and you know, Jerry, you know, was just there to just wing punches and get the hell out of there. But he hit him with some shots. And Charles Martin hit Jared Anderson with some shots. So if I'm if I'm taking anything away from the Jared Anderson experience over the last couple of years, it is that he maybe needs a little bit more work on his defense. Maybe he's a little bit more work on just not being a little bit more sharpening up. I guess of all the edges, which I guess you could say is the same thing for every prospect. Jared Anderson only twenty three years old, but I don't view him as being on the cusp of any kind of heavyweight title shot. I think he's probably a year, two years probably away from that type of fight. I think a Hunter fight is good. Guys like Hunter are good. I think they'll tell us more about where Jared Anderson is a heavyweight.

Look when when a prospect steps up and goes the distance with an experienced opponent, I agree, I don't think the knee jerk reaction would be gets exposed. I Look, I think Jared Anderson could have made a statement by stopping Charles Martin, who, in addition to being stopped by Anthony Joshua, was also stopped by Luis Ortiz and took this fight on about two weeks note, so he was kind of ripe for getting a stoppage. It was Mike the second fight in a row that I've seen Jared Anderson get tagged a little bit, like he takes some punches. You go back to that fight at Madis Square Garden that he fought months ago. Jerry Forest hit him with some punches, and you know, Jerry, you know, was just there to just wing punches and get the hell out of there. But he hit him with some shots. And Charles Martin hit Jared Anderson with some shots. So if I'm if I'm taking anything away from the Jared Anderson experience over the last couple of years, it is that he maybe needs a little bit more work on his defense. Maybe he's a little bit more work on just not being a little bit more sharpening up. I guess of all the edges, which I guess you could say is the same thing for every prospect. Jared Anderson only twenty three years old, but I don't view him as being on the cusp of any kind of heavyweight title shot. I think he's probably a year, two years probably away from that type of fight. I think a Hunter fight is good. Guys like Hunter are good. I think they'll tell us more about where Jared Anderson is a heavyweight.

Agreed, And Jared Anderson is what twenty three years old? I mean heavyweights traditionally developed a little bit later than other guys age wise, So I don't think there's any russe on Jared Anderson.

Agreed, And Jared Anderson is what twenty three years old? I mean heavyweights traditionally developed a little bit later than other guys age wise, So I don't think there's any russe on Jared Anderson.

I do think he gets punched too much.

I do think he gets punched too much.

I actually ran into Jared Anderson after the Jerry Forest fight and I said something like oakengrads great fight, and he was like, oh man, I got hit wait too much. So he knows it. He's pretty critical of himself. I was impressed by that. As a guy who needs to improve and as a young prospect, I think it's wait and see mode. But what is interesting to me is heavyweight the vision. You look at what I think is the core four, right, Fury, Wilder, Musick and Joshua they're all getting up there. I mean, wild there's going to be thirty eight this fall. U Six's thirty six right now, he's turning thirty seven. I believe later this year. Fury's a thirty four. Joshua's gonna be thirty four in October.

I actually ran into Jared Anderson after the Jerry Forest fight and I said something like oakengrads great fight, and he was like, oh man, I got hit wait too much. So he knows it. He's pretty critical of himself. I was impressed by that. As a guy who needs to improve and as a young prospect, I think it's wait and see mode. But what is interesting to me is heavyweight the vision. You look at what I think is the core four, right, Fury, Wilder, Musick and Joshua they're all getting up there. I mean, wild there's going to be thirty eight this fall. U Six's thirty six right now, he's turning thirty seven. I believe later this year. Fury's a thirty four. Joshua's gonna be thirty four in October.

So and you go down, Mike, You'll go down the list.

So and you go down, Mike, You'll go down the list.

You've got Joe Joyce who's in his late thirties, Jay Lee Jeong in his late already, like even the second tier guys are getting up there.

You've got Joe Joyce who's in his late thirties, Jay Lee Jeong in his late already, like even the second tier guys are getting up there.

Yeah. So, I mean you were badly in need of some heavyweights to step up to the next level.

Yeah. So, I mean you were badly in need of some heavyweights to step up to the next level.

And you know when you look at the crop right now, I don't think there's one.

And you know when you look at the crop right now, I don't think there's one.

Guy to me that stands out as oh, that is definitively the guy.

Guy to me that stands out as oh, that is definitively the guy.

I think somebody's gonna.

I think somebody's gonna.

Somebody will step up, right, we know that that's all that will happen. But when I look at it, you know you're just taking the talking about what Philip Hergovic, Frank Sanchez, Jergenhovenischian so wh PB season fast rocking and.

Somebody will step up, right, we know that that's all that will happen. But when I look at it, you know you're just taking the talking about what Philip Hergovic, Frank Sanchez, Jergenhovenischian so wh PB season fast rocking and.

Yeah, I mean Martinoli.

Yeah, I mean Martinoli.

I think even how old is dubad now he's still in his twenties, right, so he's still I mean.

I think even how old is dubad now he's still in his twenties, right, so he's still I mean.

He's still in his twenties.

He's still in his twenties.

He's gonna get an opportunity at least and we'll see what he does against us. Sick, but at least we'll see what he gets.

He's gonna get an opportunity at least and we'll see what he does against us. Sick, but at least we'll see what he gets.

What's gonna happen? I think we know what's gonna happen there.

What's gonna happen? I think we know what's gonna happen there.

Hey, Frank Warren says, now is the time for Daniel Dubois. Frank Warren is calling the upset, which I'm not sure. Frank one, well, I guess he.

Hey, Frank Warren says, now is the time for Daniel Dubois. Frank Warren is calling the upset, which I'm not sure. Frank one, well, I guess he.

Would want it because then he can make a huge domestic show down with.

Would want it because then he can make a huge domestic show down with.

We are we are sort of due for a major upset, right half feels like we do for something crazy.

We are we are sort of due for a major upset, right half feels like we do for something crazy.

I can't see Daniel Dubois. That fight is gonna be where I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. That's good happened, but a.

I can't see Daniel Dubois. That fight is gonna be where I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. That's good happened, but a.

Good opportunity for But yeah, you're right. I no one has emerged as the next big thing. I keep hearing about jelalav but let's let's see what he does against upper level competition. Uh, Jared's got a lot of potential. I don't know who are we missing on that list? Who's the next Who else is the next heavyweight contender out there?

Good opportunity for But yeah, you're right. I no one has emerged as the next big thing. I keep hearing about jelalav but let's let's see what he does against upper level competition. Uh, Jared's got a lot of potential. I don't know who are we missing on that list? Who's the next Who else is the next heavyweight contender out there?

I don't I think we covered most of them.

I don't I think we covered most of them.

I mean, I want to see what a Martin Bocoley could do, because he's already beaten Tonioga.

I mean, I want to see what a Martin Bocoley could do, because he's already beaten Tonioga.

He's a pretty tough guy. I'm not saying he's gonna be the guy, but.

He's a pretty tough guy. I'm not saying he's gonna be the guy, but.

He could be beat up by Michael Hunter. Though that was that was a tough one.

He could be beat up by Michael Hunter. Though that was that was a tough one.

That would be a rematch again.

That would be a rematch again.

I think Michael Hunter will find anybody like I swear to God, every time I look at Michael Hunter's timeline, he's just calling out something.

I think Michael Hunter will find anybody like I swear to God, every time I look at Michael Hunter's timeline, he's just calling out something.

It doesn't mean matter.

It doesn't mean matter.

He's not even going for He's going for the dangerous guys, like the guys nobody he was calling on Herkovich before people wanted to fight Herkovich. So I would love I love to see Michael Hunter against you kind of nailed it, Jared Anderson. Michael Hunter would be a great fight before the end of the year, and that would tell us I think a lot about Jared Anderson. All Right, A great fight coming up this weekend is Virgil Ortiz against the monastandianis instead of the top Mike. I thought this fight had fight of the year potential. I really believe that. I think this could be a absolute war between two of the top welterweight contenders in all of boxing. Virgil RTIs undefeated, perfect knockout streak. Every fight he's had has ended with a knockout. Stanionis fourteen and oho nine knockouts, has got a quality win over Bayev, has a quality win or at least a good win over Thomas DeLorme.

He's not even going for He's going for the dangerous guys, like the guys nobody he was calling on Herkovich before people wanted to fight Herkovich. So I would love I love to see Michael Hunter against you kind of nailed it, Jared Anderson. Michael Hunter would be a great fight before the end of the year, and that would tell us I think a lot about Jared Anderson. All Right, A great fight coming up this weekend is Virgil Ortiz against the monastandianis instead of the top Mike. I thought this fight had fight of the year potential. I really believe that. I think this could be a absolute war between two of the top welterweight contenders in all of boxing. Virgil RTIs undefeated, perfect knockout streak. Every fight he's had has ended with a knockout. Stanionis fourteen and oho nine knockouts, has got a quality win over Bayev, has a quality win or at least a good win over Thomas DeLorme.

Uh.

Uh.

Let's start with like, are you as It's kind of a cliche, but are you like as excited about this fight as I am? Because I'm ready to see these two guys get in the ring. They were supposed to happen back in January. He was supposed to happen a couple of months later, there have been multiple delays for both guys having health issues. Now here we are with these two guys getting in the ring in San Antonio.

Let's start with like, are you as It's kind of a cliche, but are you like as excited about this fight as I am? Because I'm ready to see these two guys get in the ring. They were supposed to happen back in January. He was supposed to happen a couple of months later, there have been multiple delays for both guys having health issues. Now here we are with these two guys getting in the ring in San Antonio.

How do you feel about this fight?

How do you feel about this fight?

I love this fight.

I love this fight.

I think I keep hearing about Virgio or keys Is fighting Stanionis, Like, I think it's much more than that.

I think I keep hearing about Virgio or keys Is fighting Stanionis, Like, I think it's much more than that.

I think this is a genuine coin for fight.

I think this is a genuine coin for fight.

And I was curious. I just checked the oude right now. Virgi Ortis is about a four to one fight, I think, is why.

And I was curious. I just checked the oude right now. Virgi Ortis is about a four to one fight, I think, is why.

I know that's crazy, you know. Can I tell you why I think that's the case. And Sergio more and I were talking about this earlier in the week, ortizes they both have good resumes. Not great, but they both have good resumes. Ortiz, when he fights the best on his resume, wipes them out, stops them. He stopped Cavaloscis. Uh, he stopped Michael mckinson. Uh, Who am I missing this? Uh? There's somebody else on that list. I'm blinking, Stop me machine, Michael mckinson. Maurice Hooker was the other name on his list. Just wiped him out.

I know that's crazy, you know. Can I tell you why I think that's the case. And Sergio more and I were talking about this earlier in the week, ortizes they both have good resumes. Not great, but they both have good resumes. Ortiz, when he fights the best on his resume, wipes them out, stops them. He stopped Cavaloscis. Uh, he stopped Michael mckinson. Uh, Who am I missing this? Uh? There's somebody else on that list. I'm blinking, Stop me machine, Michael mckinson. Maurice Hooker was the other name on his list. Just wiped him out.

Stanionis.

Stanionis.

Nine of his fourteen wins have come by knockout, but when he's fought the best on his resume, he's gone the distance, right, He went the distance with Buttaiev, which was an excellent fight at that time, an underrated fight because you know, both those guys, while not having the profile of some of the top welterweights, were still two very good fighters. And he goes this is with Delomet and maybe that looks a little bit worse because Delormet the next fight just gets flattened by Boots Ennis.

Nine of his fourteen wins have come by knockout, but when he's fought the best on his resume, he's gone the distance, right, He went the distance with Buttaiev, which was an excellent fight at that time, an underrated fight because you know, both those guys, while not having the profile of some of the top welterweights, were still two very good fighters. And he goes this is with Delomet and maybe that looks a little bit worse because Delormet the next fight just gets flattened by Boots Ennis.

So I think that's what where the odds come from.

So I think that's what where the odds come from.

I think odds makers are looking at Virgil Ortiz and in recent fights when he stepped up his competition, he's continued to put them down, whereas stanionis while I think his skill level is a little bit higher than Virgil Ortiz, I think there's probably a belief he can't hold up to the pressure that Orties is going to put on him.

I think odds makers are looking at Virgil Ortiz and in recent fights when he stepped up his competition, he's continued to put them down, whereas stanionis while I think his skill level is a little bit higher than Virgil Ortiz, I think there's probably a belief he can't hold up to the pressure that Orties is going to put on him.

Well, the number one thing that stands out to me, you and I watch him not to standion his fight is his strength. And this guy has a He's incredibly strong in the clinch, and we know this is going to be a fight with a lot of fighting on the endsign for sure.

Well, the number one thing that stands out to me, you and I watch him not to standion his fight is his strength. And this guy has a He's incredibly strong in the clinch, and we know this is going to be a fight with a lot of fighting on the endsign for sure.

So yeah, two big strong welterweights both. I think with power.

So yeah, two big strong welterweights both. I think with power.

Maybe stanionis, like you said, doesn't have the finishing power, but he certainly has more than enough power to gain somebody's respect and keep them off him. He has a nice jab, he goes to the body, what you always look for, right. So I think it's a tough fight. I don't I don't really know who to pick. I mean, I think it's really a toss up fight. I think people are sleeping on. Stanionis got Freddy Roach in his corner, and he's.

Maybe stanionis, like you said, doesn't have the finishing power, but he certainly has more than enough power to gain somebody's respect and keep them off him. He has a nice jab, he goes to the body, what you always look for, right. So I think it's a tough fight. I don't I don't really know who to pick. I mean, I think it's really a toss up fight. I think people are sleeping on. Stanionis got Freddy Roach in his corner, and he's.

A guy that we've been hearing about right.

A guy that we've been hearing about right.

For a long time, even when he was on the way up. This isn't somebody that came out of nowhere or is overachieving. I think he's been hungry for a shot. He had the appendectomy in January, and the long we've waited for the fight, the more I've been looking forward to it. I do think it could be fighting a year Virgil Ortiz too. I mean, look at all the health issues. Yeah, he's been going through a lot. And these are both these are two fresh fighters. Neither one of these guys has been in a truly grueling fight, yet they're both young. I think Stanionis is being underrated, I do.

For a long time, even when he was on the way up. This isn't somebody that came out of nowhere or is overachieving. I think he's been hungry for a shot. He had the appendectomy in January, and the long we've waited for the fight, the more I've been looking forward to it. I do think it could be fighting a year Virgil Ortiz too. I mean, look at all the health issues. Yeah, he's been going through a lot. And these are both these are two fresh fighters. Neither one of these guys has been in a truly grueling fight, yet they're both young. I think Stanionis is being underrated, I do.

I mean at four to one, that's nuts. You know, if you make Ortiz two to one, I can buy that. Sure, four to one is wild. That's not giving standionas enough credit. I you know, if if one thing that I've seen of Virgil's in a lot of Virgil fights in the last few years, when he gets you heard, he finishes you like, he's really good. He's as good as they get in welterweight when it comes to finishing up. Not as well turns Crawford's as good as they get, but he is up there when it comes to being able to finish guys.

I mean at four to one, that's nuts. You know, if you make Ortiz two to one, I can buy that. Sure, four to one is wild. That's not giving standionas enough credit. I you know, if if one thing that I've seen of Virgil's in a lot of Virgil fights in the last few years, when he gets you heard, he finishes you like, he's really good. He's as good as they get in welterweight when it comes to finishing up. Not as well turns Crawford's as good as they get, but he is up there when it comes to being able to finish guys.

And that's what I wonder.

And that's what I wonder.

Like if he gets if he rocks Stanionis, can Stanionis recover you know, quickly enough? And look, I think Staniona, look, it's it's a great fight. We could go back and forth on how this whole thing plays that I think it's gonna devolve at some point into a war and then we'll see what happens. Both these guys really strong, both these guys big punchers.

Like if he gets if he rocks Stanionis, can Stanionis recover you know, quickly enough? And look, I think Staniona, look, it's it's a great fight. We could go back and forth on how this whole thing plays that I think it's gonna devolve at some point into a war and then we'll see what happens. Both these guys really strong, both these guys big punchers.

It's gonna be a lot of fun.

It's gonna be a lot of fun.

And look, I think this guy who you know, whether it's later on this month after the Crawford Spence fight happens or later on this year, whoever wins this fight is going to be the fully recognize WBA title holder. Like I think, I don't see Crawford or Spence defending against the winner of this fight.

And look, I think this guy who you know, whether it's later on this month after the Crawford Spence fight happens or later on this year, whoever wins this fight is going to be the fully recognize WBA title holder. Like I think, I don't see Crawford or Spence defending against the winner of this fight.

I don't know about you, but I.

I don't know about you, but I.

Think they're both either either dropping the belts or moving up to one fifty four or however that works out. I think this the winner this fight is going to be a full champion before the end of the year at one forty seven.

Think they're both either either dropping the belts or moving up to one fifty four or however that works out. I think this the winner this fight is going to be a full champion before the end of the year at one forty seven.

Yeah, like I said be earlier, I don't think we see Crawford or Spence ever fight again at forty seven after this fight. Even if they do, they're gonna be fighting each other. I don't and then the that point they move up, so I don't. I think they're both gonna be done with forty seven. We're looking at Staniona's, Virgil Ortiz, Brutennis. Those are the three guys at forty seven. And you know, of course we're gonna get some guys. They're gonna move up, I'm sure from one forty. But it's good we like we said, we're talking about a heavyweight, right you need these young guys stepping up. Brutennis is fighting this weekend too, And you gotta say that Virgil Orchis and Stanionas are right there right now until otherwise proven.

Yeah, like I said be earlier, I don't think we see Crawford or Spence ever fight again at forty seven after this fight. Even if they do, they're gonna be fighting each other. I don't and then the that point they move up, so I don't. I think they're both gonna be done with forty seven. We're looking at Staniona's, Virgil Ortiz, Brutennis. Those are the three guys at forty seven. And you know, of course we're gonna get some guys. They're gonna move up, I'm sure from one forty. But it's good we like we said, we're talking about a heavyweight, right you need these young guys stepping up. Brutennis is fighting this weekend too, And you gotta say that Virgil Orchis and Stanionas are right there right now until otherwise proven.

Yeah, uh, And look, I certainly hope that these young welterweights wind up fighting each other, that we're not doing the Virgil Stanioni's boots dance for for sometime. I look at you brought up the one thing I want to add to this this discussion. You brought it up the unknowns, right Like Stanio has had an ependect to me, what in January, like he was gonna fight again in March. I thought that was crazy, Like, haven't appened deck to me? And you're gonna fight again two months later. So I think this delay has probably been pretty good for him. And Ortiz has battled this this Rapdo illness, which like is obviously a serious thing but is not something people really know about. It has obviously affected him in a multiple different ways. He'll be the first to tell you that he thinks he's got under control now. But I mean, the the layoff has been long for both these guys, and that could be a variable when they both step in the ring. So a lot of unknowns when it comes to this, but we do know it's gonna be a tremendous fight one way or the other. This is, of course a Golden Boy promoted show, so Oscar de la Hoya will be there.

Yeah, uh, And look, I certainly hope that these young welterweights wind up fighting each other, that we're not doing the Virgil Stanioni's boots dance for for sometime. I look at you brought up the one thing I want to add to this this discussion. You brought it up the unknowns, right Like Stanio has had an ependect to me, what in January, like he was gonna fight again in March. I thought that was crazy, Like, haven't appened deck to me? And you're gonna fight again two months later. So I think this delay has probably been pretty good for him. And Ortiz has battled this this Rapdo illness, which like is obviously a serious thing but is not something people really know about. It has obviously affected him in a multiple different ways. He'll be the first to tell you that he thinks he's got under control now. But I mean, the the layoff has been long for both these guys, and that could be a variable when they both step in the ring. So a lot of unknowns when it comes to this, but we do know it's gonna be a tremendous fight one way or the other. This is, of course a Golden Boy promoted show, so Oscar de la Hoya will be there.

Like, I'm gonna try to talk to Oscar for this show later in the week.

Like, I'm gonna try to talk to Oscar for this show later in the week.

That's I'm gonna try because this is so much to get into Mike with him. Like at the top of the list is what the hell are we doing with Ryan Garcia? Like you know, you and I both know this is behind the scenes World War three, right, there's a breach of contract, you know, letters being sent, there's lawsuits being filed. There's a lot of paperwork going back and forth. Meanwhile, like Oscar's on Twitter when he's not arguing with Ryan Garcia talking about, you know, making Ryan Garcia a big fight.

That's I'm gonna try because this is so much to get into Mike with him. Like at the top of the list is what the hell are we doing with Ryan Garcia? Like you know, you and I both know this is behind the scenes World War three, right, there's a breach of contract, you know, letters being sent, there's lawsuits being filed. There's a lot of paperwork going back and forth. Meanwhile, like Oscar's on Twitter when he's not arguing with Ryan Garcia talking about, you know, making Ryan Garcia a big fight.

You tell me, is Ryan Garcia.

You tell me, is Ryan Garcia.

Gonna be in a fight this year in twenty twenty three, Like you know how this stuff goes when you're battling with your promoter. I don't know how this ends with Ryan Garcia back in the ring before the end of the calendar year.

Gonna be in a fight this year in twenty twenty three, Like you know how this stuff goes when you're battling with your promoter. I don't know how this ends with Ryan Garcia back in the ring before the end of the calendar year.

I mean, I'm confident that by the time you talk to Oscar that it's more than likely that Ryan Garcia would have filed the counter suit. So that's gonna be coming down the pipeline. Obviously, we all know that's coming. I thought Canelo was gonna be off for a while. Turned down guy was off pretty But usually these things you drag out, like you said, andre Wardkey Garcia.

I mean, I'm confident that by the time you talk to Oscar that it's more than likely that Ryan Garcia would have filed the counter suit. So that's gonna be coming down the pipeline. Obviously, we all know that's coming. I thought Canelo was gonna be off for a while. Turned down guy was off pretty But usually these things you drag out, like you said, andre Wardkey Garcia.

I mean, it's not like Golden Boys is gonna like lie down.

I mean, it's not like Golden Boys is gonna like lie down.

Here and be like, oh yeah, your claims are right like this, They're gonna like drag this out. I hope it doesn't drag out too long, but I just can't imagine as going away quickly. And Ryan Garcia, I guess he moved to Dallas now to be with Derek James. He grew out of Beard. It looks like so Oscar's fighting with Eddie Hearn seemingly every single day now on Twitter. I only you know Eddie Heard. I think and Oscar deel Lay are competing to see who could do more interviews.

Here and be like, oh yeah, your claims are right like this, They're gonna like drag this out. I hope it doesn't drag out too long, but I just can't imagine as going away quickly. And Ryan Garcia, I guess he moved to Dallas now to be with Derek James. He grew out of Beard. It looks like so Oscar's fighting with Eddie Hearn seemingly every single day now on Twitter. I only you know Eddie Heard. I think and Oscar deel Lay are competing to see who could do more interviews.

Well, which is which is wild because the only conversations I want Oscar edy Heard to have is over Margia Berlanga, Like that's the only like stop just sniping at each other and let this and don't let this calendar your end with like Jimi Mungia against I don't know D level super middleweight and Edgar Berlanga against Jason Quickley's cousin, Like I don't, I don't, I don't want to.

Well, which is which is wild because the only conversations I want Oscar edy Heard to have is over Margia Berlanga, Like that's the only like stop just sniping at each other and let this and don't let this calendar your end with like Jimi Mungia against I don't know D level super middleweight and Edgar Berlanga against Jason Quickley's cousin, Like I don't, I don't, I don't want to.

I don't want to see it.

I don't want to see it.

That's that's we can get our evenge storyline Quickly.

That's that's we can get our evenge storyline Quickly.

Yeah me, Yeah, I was gonna go somewhere with that, but I was gonna I was gonna take a shot at my pal Sergio there for a second, but I'm gonna leave that alone. I'm gonna have Sergio come on the bottom defend himself later in the week as well. I just I you know, I don't know how this benefits anyone to have Ryan and Golden Boy at each o's throats and put Ryan on the shelf for the rest of the year. Like Ryan lost to Jervonte Davis, but his profile grew as a result of it. You know, all the things that went into that that event, the outcome of that event events with the million ish pay per view buys, you know, sitting on the shelf, Like I mean, when I first heard the idea floated that Ryan Garcia was gonna fight Rollly Romero. I'm like brilliant, absolutely brilliant, Like Roller Romero is an opponent Ryan Garcia should beat, and in beating him, he can finally become a world champion. He can get a tiler around his waist, and then he's not really obligated to like take that belt and go defend against reach Prora. He could have taken that belt and fought Ishmael Barroso and you could have said, you know what, I'm gonna give the real one hundred and forty pound champion a shot, which would have been a nice title defense. And then maybe you go fight Ohara Davies, which is not an easy fight, but it's certainly one Ryan Garcia could win. And then all of a sudden, Mike, you're in late twenty twenty four, and then you can start talking about Devin Hainey, and you could start talking about Regis Progray, and you could start talking about the big fights. Then you'll have a full year with Derek James under your belt and have some confidence building wins. Now, Like it sure sounds like you know we're gonna have a purse bid for the Roly Romero.

Yeah me, Yeah, I was gonna go somewhere with that, but I was gonna I was gonna take a shot at my pal Sergio there for a second, but I'm gonna leave that alone. I'm gonna have Sergio come on the bottom defend himself later in the week as well. I just I you know, I don't know how this benefits anyone to have Ryan and Golden Boy at each o's throats and put Ryan on the shelf for the rest of the year. Like Ryan lost to Jervonte Davis, but his profile grew as a result of it. You know, all the things that went into that that event, the outcome of that event events with the million ish pay per view buys, you know, sitting on the shelf, Like I mean, when I first heard the idea floated that Ryan Garcia was gonna fight Rollly Romero. I'm like brilliant, absolutely brilliant, Like Roller Romero is an opponent Ryan Garcia should beat, and in beating him, he can finally become a world champion. He can get a tiler around his waist, and then he's not really obligated to like take that belt and go defend against reach Prora. He could have taken that belt and fought Ishmael Barroso and you could have said, you know what, I'm gonna give the real one hundred and forty pound champion a shot, which would have been a nice title defense. And then maybe you go fight Ohara Davies, which is not an easy fight, but it's certainly one Ryan Garcia could win. And then all of a sudden, Mike, you're in late twenty twenty four, and then you can start talking about Devin Hainey, and you could start talking about Regis Progray, and you could start talking about the big fights. Then you'll have a full year with Derek James under your belt and have some confidence building wins. Now, Like it sure sounds like you know we're gonna have a purse bid for the Roly Romero.

You know, fight it.

You know, fight it.

There's no talk of Ryan Garcia against anyone substantive now and now we're just it's like the worst possible outcome has happened, where Ryan Garcia is sitting on the shelf, and a very smart, clear path to getting him back on track is now just being completely disregarded.

There's no talk of Ryan Garcia against anyone substantive now and now we're just it's like the worst possible outcome has happened, where Ryan Garcia is sitting on the shelf, and a very smart, clear path to getting him back on track is now just being completely disregarded.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think he laid it out perfectly, Chris, because regardless of what you think Ryan Garcia's ceiling is, there's no doubt in my mind that he needs to develop more, like anyone will tell you that.

I think he laid it out perfectly, Chris, because regardless of what you think Ryan Garcia's ceiling is, there's no doubt in my mind that he needs to develop more, like anyone will tell you that.

And you know, he's a young kid.

And you know, he's a young kid.

He hasn't had that many fights against top competition. That would have been the perfect way really to kind of get him ready for these big fights. And now he's fallen under the spotlight once against Ravonte Davis. He's definitely gonna be better at one forty. I hope this could be resolved sooner than later, because I wonder how you know, the zone loses Canalo Alvarez and now you have Eddie Hearn and asdel lawyer, the one's doing the big fights with each other.