Four men in Okmulgee, Oklahoma leave a friend's house on bikes on the evening of October 9th, 2022. Investigators believe that these men intended to commit a crime, or series of crimes. They are soon reported missing. On October 14th, their bodies are found in Deep For River having been shot and dismembered. After looking into the case officials believe that this act was premeditated. 

In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the overt violence of the murder, how to track a bicycle, how you distinguish between blood types, how investigators retrieve body parts, and much more.



Show Notes:

0:00 - Intro

1:12 - Background and overview of the case

3:20 - How do you track a bicycle?

9:45 - How do you calculate how far to extend your search?

12:10 - Police using tracking information to find the victims

15:30 - Bodies dumped in the river

16:15 - How is it physically possible to kill four men in a short period of time?

20:35 - What exactly is “a violent act”?

24:15 -  The steps taken in an autopsy to distinguish between blood types

29:00 - What do two different blood types look like on a slide?

30:58 - Visual deception

32:10 - Would the victim's skeleton be visible by this point?

36:10 - How does the gruesome state of the victim’s bodies interfere with being able to figure out what happened to them?

39:40 - How do you retrieve body parts and keep them in the state they’re found?

46:05 - Wrap up

Four men in Okmulgee, Oklahoma leave a friend's house on bikes on the evening of October 9th, 2022. Investigators believe that these men intended to commit a crime, or series of crimes. They are soon reported missing. On October 14th, their bodies are found in Deep For River having been shot and dismembered. After looking into the case officials believe that this act was premeditated. 
In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the overt violence of the murder, how to track a bicycle, how you distinguish between blood types, how investigators retrieve body parts, and much more.
 
Show Notes:
0:00 - Intro
1:12 - Background and overview of the case
3:20 - How do you track a bicycle?
9:45 - How do you calculate how far to extend your search?
12:10 - Police using tracking information to find the victims
15:30 - Bodies dumped in the river
16:15 - How is it physically possible to kill four men in a short period of time?
20:35 - What exactly is “a violent act”?
24:15 -  The steps taken in an autopsy to distinguish between blood types
29:00 - What do two different blood types look like on a slide?
30:58 - Visual deception
32:10 - Would the victim's skeleton be visible by this point?
36:10 - How does the gruesome state of the victim’s bodies interfere with being able to figure out what happened to them?
39:40 - How do you retrieve body parts and keep them in the state they’re found?
46:05 - Wrap up

Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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Four Men on Bikes - A Mysterious Quadruple Homicide in Oklahoma

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Lisa and David Hernandez had been separated for a year before he starts stalking her, showing up at her job uninvited and unwelcome. He sends his estranged wife a bouquet of flowers with Lillies, "the Death Flower", knowing she is extremely allergic to them. On this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how someone can be killed by a blunt force instrument and a sharp-edged instrument at the same time and Dave Mack will fill in the story with the creepy stalking that David Hernandez allegedly did to his wife.









Transcribed Highlights
00:02:00 Introduction of Lisa Hernandez 

05:12.52 Discussion of "Death Flower" 

08:50.91 Talk about a tool as a weapon
14:17.46 Discussion of skull injury

19:46.20 Discussion of suspect knowing victim allergies

24:28.29 Talk about a "staged" scene
29:19.40 Discussion of allergic reaction 
32:32.27 Discussion of blunt force and sharp force 
36:26.87 Talk about tossing weapon / tool into lake
41:22.33  Discussion of Searching the bottom of a lake

Lisa and David Hernandez had been separated for a year before he starts stalking her, showing up at her job uninvited and unwelcome. He sends his estranged wife a bouquet of flowers with Lillies, "the Death Flower", knowing she is extremely allergic to them. On this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how someone can be killed by a blunt force instrument and a sharp-edged instrument at the same time and Dave Mack will fill in the story with the creepy stalking that David Hernandez allegedly did to his wife.
 
 
 
 
Transcribed Highlights 00:02:00 Introduction of Lisa Hernandez 
05:12.52 Discussion of "Death Flower" 
08:50.91 Talk about a tool as a weapon 14:17.46 Discussion of skull injury
19:46.20 Discussion of suspect knowing victim allergies
24:28.29 Talk about a "staged" scene 29:19.40 Discussion of allergic reaction  32:32.27 Discussion of blunt force and sharp force  36:26.87 Talk about tossing weapon / tool into lake 41:22.33  Discussion of Searching the bottom of a lake

Man Stalks Estranged Wife, Sends Her "Death Flower" Knowing She Is Allergic

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On August 4, 2020, 12-year-old Jaylen Griffin went to the corner store in his neighborhood to try and make a little money helping people carry their groceries home.  On this day,  he brings his new puppy with him and many people remember seeing the boy and his puppy. But Jaylen Griffin and his puppy never makes it home that evening. It seems as though Jaylen has vanished into thin air. Neighborhood searches, flyers, reward money, nothing helps bring the boy home. Three months after Jaylen goes missing his older brother is murdered, shot dead almost in front of their Buffalo, New York home. Days turn into weeks, weeks into months, and months into years. In September 2023, Jaylen's mother dies,
never knowing what happened to her 12-year-old son. Months after her passing, the decomposed remains of Jaylen Griffin are found in the attic of a house about 5-miles from where Jaylen lived in south Buffalo. The house was no stranger to law enforcement and many people wonder how it was possible the remains of a child could decompose in the attic of a house with many residents and nobody smelled or saw anything. On this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will breakdown the forensics that will help determine the  cause and manner of death and  try to answer questions that could lead to justice for Jaylin Griffin



Transcript Highlights

00:03.10 Introduction of life, memories 

01:06.13 Talk about 12-year-old boy missing 4 years

05:20.86 Talk about getting help from dentist to ID victim

07:45.26 Discussion of how to identify remains of a child

11:36.93 Discussion of "Bite" marks as evidence 

17:00.65 Jaylen and the "12-year molar"

20:05.82 Discussion of weather on remains

24:45.81 Talk about the home where Jaylen's remains were found

29:22.81 Discussion of remains and smell, compare to Harmony Montgomery

33:00.68 Discussion of law enforcement, fire, rescue calls to address

37:24.74 Talk about remains having "soft tissue"

41:20.56 Conclusion will the remains lead to a murderer?

On August 4, 2020, 12-year-old Jaylen Griffin went to the corner store in his neighborhood to try and make a little money helping people carry their groceries home.  On this day,  he brings his new puppy with him and many people remember seeing the boy and his puppy. But Jaylen Griffin and his puppy never makes it home that evening. It seems as though Jaylen has vanished into thin air. Neighborhood searches, flyers, reward money, nothing helps bring the boy home. Three months after Jaylen goes missing his older brother is murdered, shot dead almost in front of their Buffalo, New York home. Days turn into weeks, weeks into months, and months into years. In September 2023, Jaylen's mother dies, never knowing what happened to her 12-year-old son. Months after her passing, the decomposed remains of Jaylen Griffin are found in the attic of a house about 5-miles from where Jaylen lived in south Buffalo. The house was no stranger to law enforcement and many people wonder how it was possible the remains of a child could decompose in the attic of a house with many residents and nobody smelled or saw anything. On this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will breakdown the forensics that will help determine the  cause and manner of death and  try to answer questions that could lead to justice for Jaylin Griffin
 
Transcript Highlights
00:03.10 Introduction of life, memories 
01:06.13 Talk about 12-year-old boy missing 4 years
05:20.86 Talk about getting help from dentist to ID victim
07:45.26 Discussion of how to identify remains of a child
11:36.93 Discussion of "Bite" marks as evidence 
17:00.65 Jaylen and the "12-year molar"
20:05.82 Discussion of weather on remains
24:45.81 Talk about the home where Jaylen's remains were found
29:22.81 Discussion of remains and smell, compare to Harmony Montgomery
33:00.68 Discussion of law enforcement, fire, rescue calls to address
37:24.74 Talk about remains having "soft tissue"
41:20.56 Conclusion will the remains lead to a murderer?

Decomposed Body of Missing 12-year-old Jaylen Griffin Found Stashed in Attic

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From Mother's Day 2020 until September 2023, only one person really knew that Suzanne Morphew wasn't just missing, she was dead. In September 2023 the remains of Suzanne Morphew were found while investigators were working a different crime, An autopsy was done on the remains and on this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how doctors were able to create a toxicology report using only bones, and why Susanne Morphew's death has been ruled a homicide.









Transcribed Highlights 
00:42.91 Introduction of Suzanne Morphew

03:21.30 Talk about autopsy of bones

06:54.40 Discussion of remains 

10:43.53 Discussion of Mountain Lions

14:37.94 Talk about the disappearance of Suzanne Morphew

18:16.37 Discussion of darts and animals

20:55.11 Talk about the depth of a hole for remains

26:25.13 Discussion of co-mingling of bones

30:06.14 Discussion of decomposed body

35:20.28.Talking about the bones in the arms

41:21.60 Discussion of darts and toxicology

47:03.48 Conclusion of the Suzanne Morphew

From Mother's Day 2020 until September 2023, only one person really knew that Suzanne Morphew wasn't just missing, she was dead. In September 2023 the remains of Suzanne Morphew were found while investigators were working a different crime, An autopsy was done on the remains and on this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how doctors were able to create a toxicology report using only bones, and why Susanne Morphew's death has been ruled a homicide.
 
 
 
 
Transcribed Highlights  00:42.91 Introduction of Suzanne Morphew
03:21.30 Talk about autopsy of bones
06:54.40 Discussion of remains 
10:43.53 Discussion of Mountain Lions   14:37.94 Talk about the disappearance of Suzanne Morphew
18:16.37 Discussion of darts and animals
20:55.11 Talk about the depth of a hole for remains
26:25.13 Discussion of co-mingling of bones   30:06.14 Discussion of decomposed body
35:20.28.Talking about the bones in the arms   41:21.60 Discussion of darts and toxicology
47:03.48 Conclusion of the Suzanne Morphew

Suzanne Morphew Death: Homicide,  Animal Tranquilizer in Her System

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Four Men on Bikes - A Mysterious Quadruple Homicide in Oklahoma

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