#466 - Top 10 Controversial Country Songs + Ethan Frice on Conspiracies

Published Aug 20, 2024, 5:05 AM

In this episode of The Bobbycast, Bobby Bones shares the Top 10 controversial country songs. These songs made headlines for discussing sensitive social subjects, and while some became anthems, others caused drama with the artists fan base... Plus, Bobby talks to TikTok creator and Investigative Journalist Ethan Frice (@Ethanfrice). He discusses why he thinks he recently got banned and shares some of his biggest internet conspiracy theories. He also explains how some of his content has caused people to show up at his house and more! 

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I had a questionable visit to my house and somebody told me to just cool my jets, which that prompted me moving. That was pretty scary.

But welcome to episode four sixty six of the Bobbycast of First, Eddie and I are going to talk about the top ten most controversial songs in country music. We'll also share Bobbycast clips from artists that we've had on talking about these controversies, so you'll hear from Riba and Martina and more. So it's a really cool topic, or it was fun for Eddie and I to do, and then we bring in some of the people actually talking about it. We'll also talk to Ethan Fries. Now. The thing with Ethan is I found him on TikTok. He is not an artist. He does investigative journalism and I would just watch him talk for three four minutes at a time. His stories are mind blowing. He talks conspiracies. You know, I like aliens. He talks aliens. He talked CIA FBI, and I don't feel like he's like crazy conspiracy what he is and I think he talks about this. He's on the spectrum a little bit, and he goes and reads every all these redacted files as the government releases and just reads all the data an insane amount of research just because he's like, I can't stop reading them, and so it's not like he just goes, I'm gonna come up with something crazy. He reads all of this. We talk about it here. You can follow him on TikTok at Ethan Frice. His old TikTok was taken down and never came back. It never came back, so he is up now as at Ethan Fries. We just want to say, free Ethan. Yeah, free freaking Ethan is what we say. Here we go. We hope you liked this episode. It's the Bobbycast. If you do like it, if you don't mind share it, tell people about it. We could really use the money. Let's be honest. Yeah, we could really the subscribers, the money, the comments. Thank you very much. All Right, Eddie and I are here to talk about the ten most controversial songs in country music, and this is from your Barker and I thought we'd go through it because we have in these episodes of The Bobbycast, some of the artists have actually talked about these songs. Okay, so we actually have clips with them and we can start at number ten and I'll just say the song to you and tell me what you think it's about or why it would be controversial. Okay, because sometimes it completely missed me that there was a message on some of these songs. Try that in the small towns did on this list? I'm not it's gotta be no, because it's not that song wasn't controversial about the message. It was people going, hey, I don't think you realize it, but the message that you're putting out this is these songs actually meant and yeah, okay, got it was created and it pushed boundaries, challenged culture, et cetera. Okay, so it was created with the idea of when people hear this song, if they understand what it's really about, it's probably going to create a little a little bubble, little conversation.

This is tough for me because I didn't really listen to music a lot like trying to get in the message me either.

I was like, that's a chain. I don't even know lyrics. I know melodies and I know some lyrics. But number ten is Independence Day from Martina McBride. Oh yeah, fourth of July, and most people a lot of people play there. On fourth of July, you'll hear radio stations play Independence Day and fourth of July. That's not what it's about. It's about domestic violence. No way. I thought you were kidding. No, I didn't know that. I had no idea because it's like let freedom ring. It's about exploring the impact of domestic violence and alcoholism. Some of the lyrics were thought to be extremely too heavy because there was like a patriotic ish feel, but it really wasn't about that. Martina was in episode three eighty eight of The Bobby Cast. She talked about how Independence Day was never a number one because some people, enough people in radio knew what it was about, and they had a problem with it.

You know, we had a lot of resistance at radio with that song because the subject matter. And I think it was really because she burned the house down, you know, it was like she was taking she took action that just didn't sit very.

Well with a lot of radio people.

Bizarre and one guy said to me that video like, if I'm sitting with my daughter and that video comes on, then I have to talk to her and explain things. And I'm like, yeah, dude, that's maybe not a bad idea. So it was interesting. It's just a different time.

Wow, that's so, that's interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that.

But you know what, because of that, she opened doors for other women to write songs about going a little crazy.

Is going a little crazy because is it about standing up for him? It is?

But I guess you know, everyone interpreted that is like, oh, she burned the house and now she got a little crazy. Well, hey, Carrie like took a bat and beat up the Cadillac, you know.

What I mean? Yes, And that's okay because he cheated and it's gonna beat Yeah. Different though, dude, I never did. But in Independence Day, like, no, he heard her absolutely okay. So I didn't realize we talked about this before that Rage against the Machine was actually like a fight against the government, rage against the government. And to you, you'd always known that. I'd never known that I'd do that. I never put it together.

I was probably seventeen, and I yeah, I get clicked.

And this here, it's funny that you never put that together because I never heard that part of the song.

All I remember was let freedom ring and Independence Day, like it's a beautiful day.

Man. Fourth of July Number nine is Okie from Muskogee. Okay, I'm proud to be in Okie from Muskoge from Merle Haggard.

And we don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, and I am in Muskogee a lot.

Actually that's crazy now, like a lot. My father in law one of his uh practices in Muskogee, he's an eye doctor. So you get different answers from folks about it how it changed, even with Merle Haggard giving the answer, because at first when they wrote the song, it was a hit. And what do you think Okie from Muskoge's about?

So it has to be like protesting against the war. So I'm thinking, like, you know, like we're not hippies here in Muskogee, like we defend our country here, so protesting the Vietnam I'm thinking before the war. No, No, like he's saying, like, you know, we're not like weed smokers, we're not hippies, we don't wear flowers.

Those are the protesters.

Those are the protesters that we know in America is like no fighting, just make love, nope, peace.

So then you're protesting the protesters, which you would be fighting for the war.

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is defending your country, right, Like that's kind of like the fight. Okay, country boy defending his country. It's okay to go fight. We're defending our country where the.

Hippies are like, no, man, let's not go fight, Let's just make love. So initially he said it was in supportive American service members during the Vietnam War because I'm proud to be an okie from Suskogie, Middle America. Dude doing it up. Then later he started to admit what the song was really about, that it was kind of making fun of small town people. Oh, it was like a sanitized version of it was satire about small town America. Oh, so he laid admitted that he was kind of making fun of it. Yeah. And I think in the documentary that I watched on Country Music that was like five hundred hours long, remeber that one can bur. I think he talks about that in that. Wow. I didn't know that. So it was in both ways a bit controversial because it was freaking Merle Haggard and we're normal. He's also not from Oklahoma. But and I think he was just driving through what I remember the story being, remember, not written in front of me. Is that he was driving through it and he's like, what the heck would you ever do in this town Muscogey, Oklahoma? Or around it? And so it was kind of a song making fun of towns like that. But then it became a hit and it was like, oh crap, no, it's for America. And then he later admitted it really wasn't. So that's crazy.

Can you imagine all the country, small town people singing it off.

They found that out? Yeah, man, that's number nine, number eight, You've Never Been This Far Before? From Conway Twitty. I don't know that one. I don't either, it says. The lyrics to the song probably wouldn't pass muster today. It's about getting intimate with a young woman who's still a virgin oh boy, which earned the song of band from many radio stations. After its original release in nineteen seventy three, it still became a number one hit. You've Never Been This Far Before was a number one hit. There are creepy songs from the sixties and seventies, they just weren't creepy then. But she's seventeen, she was just seventeen. There's that one too, or she's fifteen, She's mine. How about young Girl get Out of My Mind?

Yeah, like shameless?

I know, because there it wasn't shamed. I mean, was it. It's just it wasn't shamed. I mean they were thinking about sixteen year old when they were like twenty three. I mean Elvis, you know, married one. Yeah, so that's weird to sing about if you're an adult man. How but do you know how old he was? I'm sure he had to be old. Do you write it the lyrics? Yeah? About getting it? I don't know. It doesn't matter, Okay, yoh, it does matter though, because I doesn't matter if you're singing and recording it. It doesn't matter who wrote it.

But do people even think did they even think about that back then? Like, you know what, it's gonna make me look bad because I'm fifty years old and I'm singing about this when maybe a twenty year old wrote it about you know, if.

You're still singing it, you have to think about that. But my point is you didn't have to think about it because it wasn't culturally inappropriate, because there were a lot of songs that were like that. It's crazy he wrote it as a soul songwriter. Oh no, Hey, himself kill blame it on a buddy in the room with an idea. Oh no, it wasn't my line. Oh it's my son. My son told me about the idea. That sucks. But again, there are a lot of if you type in, and I have my phone, so I'm just going to type in creepiest lyrics about being creepy young girls pop songs. Good, that's good to be detailed like that. Yeah, I need to do more by that. There's a lot more creepy songs out there. Okay, so pop songs. Let's see what this is. Mike, tell me what you find. I'm looking at a different thing here, but here is and I'm searching this. I feel like I'm gonna get bad, like somebody's gonna kick in the door. I mean, you just got a red flag of the FBI. We watch this guy's phone real quick. There are creepy lyrics and they have every breath you take. But it's a different kind of creepy. It's not young. That's like a stalker. There's pumped up kicks. Not it, that's a shooting song? Oh is it? Yeah? That's the we sing that one pumped up kicks. You better run better run faster than my bullet. Oh man. Yeah, okay, And I don't think a lot of people knew what that was about. Brown Sugar is creepy, but not young girl Stones gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields, sold in a market down in New Orleans. Scarred old slaver knows he's doing all right. Hear him whip the women around at midnight. That's part of the lyric there, brown Sugar Brown. Yeah, I had no idea that's what that song was about. Brown Sugar, What about you or my sunshine? Listen to this. I'll always love you and make you happy if you will only say the same. But if you leave me and love another, you'll regret it all someday. It's like that first two threatening Good thing. We didn't do that. I clicked into the wrong. Creepy dude, what's crazy about? I love you?

You are my sunshine? Like I'm sure did parents sing that to their kids all the time. I'll send you this list.

I don't recognize any of these songs, but maybe you do. Here is the Beatles Run for your Life. Okay, you have a list creepy rock songs about younger. I know it's weird to even search about young girls that you're singing along to without realizing. Okay, straightcat blues of that one. Right, good morning, little school girl. It doesn't say who the artist is though, good one of those school now, Oh my gosh, vehicle. Don't know that one. My Sharona, my mam ma Sarona, never gonna stop. Give it up. Such a dirty mind, always get it up for the touch of the younger kind.

Oh my goodness, that's my Sharona. Yeah, dude, how crazy is that We've sang my Sharona a thousand times and never knew that.

How about this one? Girl, You'll be a woman soon? Oh yeah, is that Neil Dimon? I think so you'll be old woman? Please come take my hand. Girl, you'll be a woman soon. Say for sure. He didn't write that one. The eighteen year old did. Oh let's see young girl. Yeah, that's young girl. Keeps it. There's a diferente called younger. There's more than one's. Here's this one though you're sixteen. You're beautiful and your mind. You know that one? Na man, I don't know that one. Neil Diamond was the sole songwriter.

Oh my goodness, dude, at least throwing an eighteen year old.

It's all alone in their basement. Don't stand so close to me, don't stand so inside him. There's longing the girls an open page bookmarking, she's so close. Now the girl is half his age. Okay, that's but that could be he's sixty. He could be sixty. And he's like, hey, stop, okay, how about walk about? Walk this way, walk this way, aerosmith run him. See schoolgirl sweetye with a classy kind of sassy little skirts climbing away up the knee. There were three young ladies in the school gym locker. When I noticed they was looking at me.

The thing is who is he a student? That's what I'm wondering, Like, is he he's got to be the student? Because if he's a teacher, like or if he's just a dude that has gone on campus illegally snuck on campus.

I saw her standing there. She was seven, she was just seventeen, if you know what I mean, No, dude, we don't know what you mean. We don't know, Paul to be like if the raging idiots did when you grew up instead of when I grew up. Oh no, when you grow up. Oh no, that's disgusting. Okay, let's move on that up. That's good. A fancy from Reba? Yeah, because it was yeah and Riba did not write the song. It was originally recorded by Bobby Gentry. It was released in nineteen seventy massive success. Reba released it again in ninety one. They say a classic ode about a woman who finds her way into the world as a sex worker. As a kid, I did not know. I know all the words. I knew as I got older, I was like, wait, what she's dressing hers to go up? What? Yeah? And then it got so. On episode three nineteen of The Bobby Cast, Reba talked about how she was first told not to do a cover of this song because of that subject matter.

Well, when I was with Jimmy Bowen in the eighties, he said, is there a song you want to do? A remix song? And I said, yeah, fancy. He said, oh, woman, you don't need to be doing that. That's about a prostitute. I said, I'm totally aware of that. It was like, Nope, you can't do that. And so when I went with Tony Brown in nineteen ninety, he said, would you like to do a song again, and I said, fancy he's Oh my gosh, that's my favorite song.

So we did it Tony to be that.

It's a really good song. It's like you read my mind. I didn't want to do that it's a great song, but it really is. It is a great song. Number six Girl Crushed from a little big Town. Yeah.

But was it ever about lesbian love? It's about a girl crush. Yeah, okay, I mean that's yeah, Okay. That's why it was kind of controversy because I remember at the time people were just like, well, no, I mean it could just be like I have a just crush on a girl, not in a loving way, but like, but.

What does that even mean? A crush on a girl that's you. You don't have to be a lesbian, but have a girl crush is like that in the middle ground. Yeah, and you got to think I have a crush on you, dude, And I'm not trying to ever say that I got a boy crush. And then people will be like, oh, what you're saying? What what am I saying? Tell me, I know what you're saying. You're staring me deep in my eyes. So people saw it as encouraging homosexuality. That was a bit of part of this story too, because that was the first one to play it. But it was bigger than just that because a little bitdown had to deal with it. And so here's episode sixty six. Karen Fairchild, a little Bigdown, talked about how they handled the backlash.

I've had people in the business stop me and go man, that was a good one. Y'all did like, would you think that we would actually do that a couple of weeks before, trying to ward off some of the negativity of just like moms that didn't think they wanted their children to hear I want to taste her lips in the morning on country radio and they were calling into complain, and so we were getting on there saying, you know, oh, it's a song about jealousy and having to try to like get the stations to play it that we're thinking about dropping it because of the negative calls.

So I want to taste your lips and come on, that's not.

That's yeah, yeah, you know that definitely crosses that line.

That's great, you want to cross it, great, I have no problem with the line. I'm just saying that that makes it a little different. I forgot that line too. I would have used that when I was trying to counterpoint Garth Brooks We Shall be Free? Oh yeah, big time, they say is most controversial song in the catalog. Why I mean we Shall Be Free? Was you're a big Garth guy too.

I am a big Garth guy. But I mean I was young when We Shall Be Free came out. But I think I even then I understood that it was, you know, just freeing people from not how to word this, I mean, is it like I think it was racism.

Part yeah, part of right.

Absolutely, that was a big part of it, just like you know, so you're all equal.

Yep. So that's exactly what it was. So it's, by the way, one of his only songs to ever not even land in the top ten because stations wouldn't play it. That's crazy. But the song and the video imagines a world where there's no racism, to homophobia, no violence, but stations wouldn't play it.

Wow.

And I believe that's the video, the super Bowl video. That's it where he refused to go on to sing the national anthemunless they play the super Bowl. I mean, that's how you do it. And then they have a new rule now they always have a backup, a backup the performer. Yeah, just because he was like he fond job there. Yeah, bon Jovi's in the crowd. They were gonna go ask bon Jovi to do it, but Garth was like, I'm not going to sing it unless you play the video like last minute, and they did. They played, they played the video. Goodbye Earl the Chicks.

That's a great one. They killed Earl Man because he was a jerk. It's like domestic violence.

Yeah, murder. People got upset about that because there was such I mean violence, but there's I mean, if dudes were singing this song, I don't think they had looked at it a second. Probably not.

I think the song's great, Like I mean, it's it's a storyline anyway, you know, it's reality, but it's a storyline of something that happens all the time. You know, somebody beating up his girl for his girlfriend or wife, and then her not knowing who to go to, she gets her best girl. She's like, I'll fly in.

The heck. I thought us was like, let's bay all right, killed Okay. I knew Earl he was a good guy. They went a little too full. I've been listening too long about you talking about those black guys. What I thought you was gonna say.

So I'm like, really this song too.

Even with the domestic violence message to me, it really also highlights like the power of like really close friends. Yeah, I'll show up for you and do whatever you need because you're in a really like not great situation. Yeah, they got your back. And what it like a just a powerful, powerful song.

Like songs can just be like, ah, I'm just listen for fun or whatever, but you listen to this one with like.

Wow or it's just funny. You can pick out of the way because I think when I first heard it was just like good eur I had to die and it's just funny, goofy. But you can also listen to it in the way of oh wow, I hear somebody's got something's back and they kind and beating her because it's like shit black eyes. But then I don't remember the exact lyric, but it's like Wanda so got a fly overnight fly what little red eye whatever it was, It's like she's got on a freaking plane. It came to get from Atlanta. Yeah, that's a good one. Casey muskives follow your.

Arrow of course, homosexuality, yeah, LBG LGBTQ plus or don't That's that's what I loved about that song, like do this, do this or don't.

We When we first started, we had her coming aster play that song she played on our show. I remember she got a little people were low upset at me, but sure not that she's not compared to her because she had to deal with it. But I think she also was happy that she got to deal with it because she was putting out a message that she consistently has yeah, and that she believed in.

She came in and we didn't have a green room then, so like any guests that came to the studio would sit in your office and sometimes it's sitting there for thirty minutes waiting for, you know, their time to go on the air or whatever. And you had a dry erase board on the wall it's not there anymore, and you had some markers there and she she did a little drawing a follow your arrow and it was like as an arrow, I think going through to a heart, and then she'd like little birds on top of it and it said follow your era, like save that, like busted it out and saved it.

We left it up there forever.

I mean we must have had it out there for a year or so, and then we eventually just got rid of it.

That had been cool to keep, like a Banksy but a Muscraves. Yeah, yeah, where is it? No? He got wiped away board board though, I don't know. I hated it as gross. It's dirty, made their own gross, not that the rest of the stuff doesn't, but this one did not know temigral red ragtop, my red rag top.

No a convertible like it's just drive. I've always thought that the song was about just driving the open road with the red rag top.

One of the lyrics to the two thousand and two song tells the story of young woman that chooses to have an abortion without regrets. Some radio stations refused to play the song. I didn't again, I don't hear lyrics. Yeah, I didn't know that at all. And then number one is the pill from the red len don't know pill controversial nineteen seventy five of birth control, really the abortion bill, but birth control. So that's what it was about, and radio stations didn't play it. It became a crossover hit though, because it became such a newsworthy song. Who was that Lorettah Yeah yeah, Billboard Hot one hundred Singles chart. So those are ten very controversial songs, you remember, Brick ben Folds. Yeah, now we're getting into like pop.

Yeah, yeah, there's I mean, there's probably a thousand lists of a thousand controvers songs.

Yeah, but Brick, I remember not thinking about anything after Christmas. No one's here to find us out. Jeremy is about suicide. Obviously.

Jeremy was a real storyl jam of a kid who shot himself in front of a class, and Jeremy was this and it wasn't it was inspired by like a real event that happened in Dallas, but he read in the paper. It wasn't a guy named Jeremy or anything. It was just a kid that shot himself in front of the class. But then he created the story of you know, Jeremy not being loved or having it getting attention from anyone, and then finally shooting him inf front of everyone's like, oh Jeremy spoken class.

To me, spooking. Yeah, yeah, that's tough, dude. They were, yeah tough. Yeah. When you know the stories like that and you hear the song again. If you've heard it ten thousand times, it kind of hits new for the first time.

I mean, daughter, you were daughter. Don't call me daughters like sexual abuse.

I didn't know that. Again, it's like one of those where so what does that mean? They don't call me daughter?

Do you know it's it's a girl telling her stepdad, don't call me daughter because you sexually abused me.

I didn't know. Sometimes I sing it with a smile. I didn't know that. I was like, don't call me daughter.

Gotta be careful. Those programs know that. That's what that was. Pro dam songs like It's just more and more you go into. I'm like, wow, this is deep, this.

This is dark. I also am pledging here to never listen to she was seventeen, if you know what I mean. Bro, Yeah, Paul, what do you mean, John? We don't like it anymore? What do you talk about? All Right? That is the article. Thanks to Yard Barker for putting that out, and you know, we elaborated it on a bit and had some clips that kind of went along with it. But I just talk about some of those songs and some that I didn't even know that's what the meaning was. But yeah, I appreciate you guys listening.

Hank Ty the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Hey, Ethan. I love what you do. Man. First of all, I'm a fan, and I know I reached out to you on TikTok and it was like, because you cover so many things, you were definitely an investigative journalist and I think that that what you're doing, you do it in a very interesting way. And I also like it when you go and then we'll do the because we're already recording, but I like when you go, all right, I'm gonna really get into this, but let me just do it up front for everybody who's gonna flip the screen, tell you what we're about to do. Like, I love how you take either the news or like confidential documents that have been dropped and you explain them to Moron's me. So first, I am a fan. That's why I'm bringing you on. So thank you for being here today.

Oh, thank you so much, Bobby.

So, something that just happened. I don't know, is your account down, like your your main account.

Yeah, it got permanently banned. I lost one hundred and twenty thousand followers. It's a bummer, but you know, you start over a lot in life, so I'm not going to let it hurt me too bad.

Permanently banned, not temporarily. Somebody flagged something, was it? Because well, I'll ask you why.

So the whole Trump situation that happened. One of my followers was in person at the rally, and he sent me a video of what had happened, and it just showed that everybody was more aware of what was going to happen than what it seemed like like. There was a couple of minutes that went by people that were fully aware that there was a shooter, telling the Secret Service, and I just posted the video and I said, hey, this is pretty weird, and that that was grounds for taking my whole account. Why do you so less talking about politics?

Why do you think you were banned? In your opinion, why do you think the account was banned?

You know, I couldn't say for sure. I would like to take it as a journalism award for I got a little too close to something maybe, but there's there's no concrete way to know for sure. The timing was suspicious with the whole Trump thing and getting taken down, and I think with politics images important, especially around election time, so if there is a crackdown period, it would probably be.

Now do you hear from people that you talk about in these stories, anybody reach out and say, hey, dude, like we're going to sue you, or we're going to like punch in the face, anything like that.

I've definitely had some very question I had a questionable visit to my house and somebody told me to just cool my jets, which that prompted me moving. That was pretty scary. But aside from that, nothing, nothing too crazy. I get a lot of you know, threatening messages every day, but there's no telling who it's coming from. Usually just people will mention a video I made, usually about Diddy, saying you know you're pushing some sort of agenda. You can't post this. Things will happen to you and then nothing ever comes of it. But it can be a little frightening.

Somebody came to your house.

Yeah, someone did. I moved out of California because of that.

And did they knock on the door, How did you have a conversation with them, and did you think it was just somebody like a solicitor or something.

That was my first thought. I was expecting it to be, you know, the neighborhood vacuum salesman or a neighbor and they just they told me quite frankly. I opened the door and they just said, you know, your videos online are doing nobody any good and you need to cool your jets with the stuff you're talking about right now. And they walked off. And that was pretty uh. I mean, that was weird. It wasn't something to call home about, but it was. It was scary for me. I lived alone, so it was it was uncomfortable for sure, but not really the kind of thing I would let stop me. And all that infos you know, public on the internet. So what am I going to do?

Why do this? Why are you pursuing this career, this path of being the investigative journalist that you are.

So I have autism, not like super Bad or anything, but it's always been an interest of mine reading through these documents and just kind of learning what other people don't know. My dad and I when I used to live there, we'd hot up every night and talk about aliens. And I started reading the Alien files, the CIA dropped and I found so much interesting stuff. When I was fifteen, I found a file that was talking about the Roswell crash and it confirmed that it actually happened. It was on the FBI's website. It had never been covered by mainstream journalism, no corporate media. So that prompted this whole spark of reading through these and over the years, I've read probably thousands of these files, and after a while, I just decided, you know, why isn't this on the internet.

Do you feel like they are slow rolling information about UFOs or aliens or whatever UTA or whatever letters they're using now, And why would the FBI put it on their website as a document if they didn't want us to know about it.

You know, that's one of my biggest questions. I think they've got to be slow rolling something out, almost getting us used to it. And there's no telling for sure, but the fact that you have all of this stuff on you know, the CIA website or the FBI National Archives, and it's never been covered by mainstream journalism anywhere, No Fox News, no NBC. It's mind blowing because it's straight from the dot guv website. And I've found documents talking about people doing stuff like in the show Stranger things, moving things with their mind, burning people by touching, and it's you're reading this like it's a science fiction novel when you have to look back and go like, this is a you know, it's paperwork approving more funding because it works, and it makes me wonder was it fake for the Soviets to try to trick them out or is this something that we actually are doing and have access to.

Do you feel like they're putting it out and because it is in such a documented, boring, contractual looking piece of information that people won't read it because it just is not appealing.

Probably, but that goes back to your point of why is it even there? That's kind of one of the things that made it so interesting for me is there's no concrete way to know, but all of this information's there, and when you really dig into it, half of these crazy things you read about there's more evidence going for it than against it.

So you believe there are things that aren't us on a planet that is not this planet.

It's likely. It's really likely. I mean looking at how big space is, for example, if you were to look at how much space we've explored in comparison to the ocean, it would be like us going and dipping a glass in the water and saying, look at there's no fission here. We must be alone. The amount of space we've actually pioneered is next to nothing.

I agree with you. I'm just asking you without in a non leading way, to see how you feel, because I agree we know nothing. We know very little. Our full capacity of what we know is only measured by itself, meaning we have no idea what we don't know. And even the ocean, which is a great analogy and the cup of water, like the ocean, what five percent of its map to six percent? We don't even know what's in the ocean, much less what is in space. And I've read certain things. Do you feel like the ocean end space? Both could be the conduit too, or either it could be the conduit to get whatever needs to be here here or Antarctica, Like there are those files too that Antarctica is some sort of I hate to use the word portal, but I watch movies and that's what they say portal. Like, what are your thoughts on that?

It's really fishy? Why aren't we allowed to go to Antarctica. I mean, we have people that move to Alaska on purpose. You'd think there would be some kind of crowd that would enjoy you know, unless you're a National geographic voyage, you're not making it over there, and that's weird. But I definitely agree with you. There's there's got to be some conduit for this and reading into those UAP files more, they'll redact a lot of stuff. Nowadays it's edited like a black image over the text so you can't read it. But the really old ones they use a sharpiet and sometimes they don't get the words perfectly. And I have found extra dimensional sharpied out so many times. It makes you wonder are they from space or is it a whole dimensional thing? Because if it's dimensional, they could be you know, right here, right now, just not it's not our Earth.

And how I would explain dimensional to people because they'll look at me funny, and I don't have a great explanation because I am not in science. However, I would say, you know, with the television changed channels, and there's a frequency that allows this channel and you can see this, there's a slightly different frequency. You push the button it allows you to see this in human form that we are, this is a certain frequency we're not able to see the other frequencies, just like for watching one channel, we can't see the other channel, even though it's in the exact same place. Like that is my very rudimental, rudimental analogy of how possibly we're not even able to see the beams that the cell phone that we can't There's so much around us that we can't see, even that animals can see, and their cones in their eyes are different. And so for us to think that we can see and know everything, but also for you to look into all these files and find words have been blacked out, why would they not go and black them out with like like the newer version of redacting files and just leave the sharp eied versions up.

It makes you wonder, and it makes me think that they didn't plan on the Internet being as big and popular as it is. But that was that was a very good way to explain the dimensions. It's like, if if we're in a TV, we can go up, down, left, and right on the screen, that's two dimensional. A verdimensional would be us, you know, moving all around up, down, left, right, anywhere the ground doesn't stop you and then taking that further, you need to look at it like an onion. There could be something past the three D, which would be the fourth and we can't perceive that, so we can't explain it. But that's like we if the theory is correct, you know where the aliens or whatever they are would be. So us being three dimensional, we could say you had a two dimensional ant hill if you took water and poured it all over their ant hill. To them, it's like a biblical flood. They can't even perceive our existence. Water just appeared out of nowhere. So for aliens being say a dimension above us, they perceive everything we do, but we wouldn't even know they're there.

And I know this whole thing wasn't about aliens, but I'm so intrigued by just even the term alien is not probably what you and I would use, but I think most people would associate that word with what we're talking about, so we could continue to define it as that. But what do you think is the one piece of evidence that you have seen in all of these files that proves to you mostly that we're probably not the only things that exist. What do you think has been redacted or what have you seen you talk about Roswell, like, what have you seen where you're like, man, if I had to bring one piece of evidence into play, it be this easily.

The pyramids and the construction of them. So they're ancient compared to the Egypt that we know today, and our indigenous populations carved the stuff on stone. But we have highways of pyramids across the earth. And aside from that, they're all constructed exactly the same. Two of the Great Pyramids coordinates line up exactly to the speed of light. They're all directly under stars and within half a degree of true north. Let alone the precision of actual building or moving these multi ton blocks around. You'll see on a lot of hieroglyphs they have a frequency table. So if you were to put sand on a table and play certain frequency, the sand will reorganize and make patterns. Now they would put these patterns on hieroglyphics along with guy lifting up something very heavy with one arm way above his head, and I think that symbolizes seismatic technology or matching the frequency of an object to lighten it. If you have a didgerido, you can go pick up solo cups with it. Just by playing the right note, it'll lift the solo cup off the ground and you can walk around with it. And I think that the biggest evidence we have of extra life on Earth would be the construction of the Pyramids and how advanced they were into this technology of frequencies, the same stuff Tesla was obsessed with, yet we didn't even have stone tools. I mean, it makes no sense.

Your Amelia Earhart content I was enamored by, and I've always been curious and even I would say interested in what has happened. But watching what you pulled from, I don't know if it's a CIA or FBI website. Pribace CIA is international at CIA.

Yeah, it was CIA, but a lot of it came from Naval Intelligence because that disappearance happened about ten years before the CIA was formed JAZZ so they have better record keeping, but most of the good stuff was old Navy intelligence website.

So after reading and most audience probably hasn't seen, what yet to say about it? What do you think happened to Amelia Earhart and why it.

Seems really plausible she got captured by the Japanese, whether she crashed or didn't. There's a file basically a case officer is talking about a message in a bottle that was found with a lock of hair. Now what's interesting is this is from nineteen thirty nine and they're talking about that the DNA tested the hair, which, if you do a quick google, didn't come out until the eighties, so they had that technology before, which is really odd to me. But this case officer goes to the island to investigate, and everybody's very welcoming, very nice, and he started asking about the boat it's called the Nile Atoll that she was allegedly a prisoner on, and they tortured and interrogated him for like two days before letting him go. And that's odd. You know, the government was friendly, the citizens were friendly. He asked a question about a boat, and you know, they backed his head and took him off to some prisons. It raises some flags and then you find stuff about, you know, letters from congressmen asking intelligence was she a spy? But the good one I uncovered was she wrote to the president asking for some details about her top secret world flight. And this was about two years before she had announced the flight, so they could have been talking about the plans and the whole flight was a secret for the time being, or there was an ulterior motive with the actual flight, but it's it's fishy. And then them confirming the DNA tested it pretty much proves the theory. The only missing pieces. Did they really have that technology in the forties or what's the deal there?

Do you feel like she was a spy?

It seems plausible. And that's one thing the CIA does is they're famous for recruiting people that already have covers. I mean, if you look into some of these intelligence people or even people that have been suspected of, you know, being a spy, a lot of them are Microsoft executive or sometimes actors, people that are constantly traveling over world orders to the Middle East or wherever is a point of interest. Because they already have a cover, they can get picked up. The CIA will bankroll a nice light for them, and all they do is a little bit of spying on their business trip. Yeah, I'd say she probably was.

So based on the information that I've heard from you, if I were going to draw a conclusion, and you can tell me if your conclusion is the same, that her flight where she went missing was planned well before the public knew about it. It was planned for a reason. She was intelligence and she ended up. And I haven't heard you say this. Do you think that when they if and when that they captured her, they knew she was a spy or they found out she was a spy and that is why they kept her.

Yeah, that's a good question. I'm not sure. I would assume that she was probably suspected to be a spy because she was flying over you know, Japanese airspace right before the war. I'm sure they figured it out. We never saw her again.

Are any pictures of like the side of her head or anything that they are suspicious where people are like, hey, that might be her.

So there's one picture and it's there's no way to know for sure. It's a picture of a Japanese dock with that both the Nile Atoll, and there's a white woman and a white guy. So her and her navigator Fred both went missing, and from the back the pictures looked like them. I went on the Japanese Internet and tried to date the photo and I was unable to. But there are some articles talking about this photo and everybody is pretty sure it was taken two years before her flight. So it's a big Maybe there's no for sures there and I'd hate to just say yes without anything concrete.

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I would like to talk about the Gateway process meditation and the CIA. First. Would you do a bit of explaining just fundamentally on what that is.

Yeah, So the Gateway process is kind of similar to that seismic technology that we were talking about earlier, but it's more so in frequency. They would play one frequency in one ear one frequency in the other, so it's two differing sounds. But what they do is they cause the electrical impulses of each hemisphere of the brain to sync up at exactly the same time, and it puts your mind in this weird state. It's famous for giving people out of body experiences, and the CIA dumped billions of dollars into this from about the seventies until now. I guess they're still doing it trying to figure out what these out of body experiences are and if they have application for intelligence. After a lot of research and money, they did figure out that people are able to close their eyes and see things when they're not there with accuracy. That's pretty scary. They had Stanford, Yale, all of the big universities researching this as well as their own teams, and everybody came to the same conclusion that it works, and nobody really understands why it works.

To do what exactly see something far away at the same time, see something in the future, see something in the past.

Yeah, so it wouldn't really be past their future to my knowledge, it would more so be location. So there's a pretty famous one where a guy was supposed to remote view a military base across the United States and he was talking about some basement sub level with files and boxes and all this stuff that didn't exist. But they said, hey, you're wrong, we'll call the check anyways, and it turned out that he had remote view to top secret sub level of the base that was on a need to know basis, so nobody knew it was there except for him. And it's things like that they would use it in any way for intelligence. Hey we heard there's hostages in Lebanon, can you check. That's a pretty famous case where a remote viewer confirmed there was hostages. And that's really when it started picking up because the intelligence community was crediting this guy for saving these people.

Have you done any meditation like this, Yeah, I have.

I've been doing the Gateway process for probably five or six months. One of my rich buddies in Los Angeles, he was crediting this to his success. He said it made his intuition as sharp as a pitchfork, and every business decision he made was right. So he gave me his tapes, had me try them, and I had a weird out of body experience. It's a hard thing to describe, but in the best layman's terms, whether it was my imagination or not, I had this being come up to me and it said, my purpose in life is to share what I've learned about all of these things, and you know, to put my phone in front of my face and talk about it. And you know, my account blew up. I'd never posted online before, I'd never done anything like it. I was already kind of nagged to post about the documents because I thought it would be cool. So it was like another layer of confirmation, and in my account blew up. It was about two months old and I hit one hundred thousand followers, which seems to be pretty good. I'm new to the whole thing, but I don't know how easy that would be to replicate?

So how would I listen to these tapes?

So you can find them online for free. There's a place called them in Row Institute. They actually offer this as a whole package training where you go there for a week and they'll teach you how to do this. They're the inventors of the Gateway tapes and it's it seems to be a pretty cool program. But if you can't afford all the money they you can find them for free online. You have to search a little far and wide, but they're on things like YouTube, Breddit. They get taken off the internet a lot, so you just have to look around and maybe jump sources a few times a week because they'll get taken down and put back up a few times a day.

And you believe that, even within yourself, you believe that a lot of folks believe this is the key to unlocking some part of our brain. This the Gateway process meditation, and that is why they're still experimenting trying to figure out why it doesn't exactly what it does.

I think so and you can it does things that it's very hard to word. We don't have English to describe, but on the flip side, we have physical evidence of how it affects your brain. Buddhists a lot of people in religion that are very heavy on meditai. They have tons of gray matter in their brain compared to the normal people, and it allows them to reach these higher states of consciousness through meditation and prevents Alzheimer's, which is pretty odd. People that do the Gateway program for seven days have a twenty five percent increase in gray matter, to a point where on the Minrue Institute website it cites these studies and says it will hurt your head if you do it too fast. It causes so much physical change it gives you headaches. It doesn't feel good at first, but it definitely is doing something in terms of strengthening the brain, just as seeing how much gray matter people that do this kind of meditation have versus people that never meditate in their lives.

What kind of time allotment per day would you need. Let's say you were me and you were going to go to the Monroe Institute and pay whatever amount of money, Like, is it eight hours a day? Is it fifteen minutes a day? And it builds up? How does that work?

So there's multiple tapes. I would just one to night. That's how I did it all the way through, and each tapes thirty to forty five minutes, and you close your eyes, you put on the headphones, get a nice company dark room, and sometimes it feels like you're there for four hours, and sometimes it's like five minutes goes by and you're already done. But what you'll notice is you get through the first you know, four or five tapes, and you don't really feel like you got anywhere. It's not enough is really happening. And then suddenly it's like a switch just flicks on in your brain and it takes you to this whole new place. And whether it's your imagination or not will be a great argument forever. But man, the things you'll see and here is I've never thought stuff like that before. And it'll tell you some crazy stuff.

And you're telling me, there's an instance at least that has been documented or not. We don't know where they use this technique, and through meditation, someone identified if there were hostages in another country.

It's happened multiple times, so you could read a lot of the files. It's called Project Sunstreak, but it has you know photo examples of here. They would put a photo in an envelope. This is when they were first testing it out. So they would be a photo of a tree or somebody's house. They would seal it up in an envelope and tell somebody look inside the envelope and tell me what's in there. So the guy would go do his meditation and come out with a drawing that would be accurate down to the materials that the house used. And there's probably forty instances just in this one file, and it shows the drawing next to the photo, and it's it's impeccable. How accurate this is. I mean, it's it's almost funny to think about, because the government is telling someone a go close your eyes and tell me if there's hostages in Lebanon, or go draw this house. And that doesn't that seems like something out of a science fiction novel. But it's it's it's almost lappable, how out there it is. It's very very interesting if and I wonder why nobody covers it.

Yeah, if for some reason you get your old account back, if it is not permanently banned, we will put in the notes and we will we're going to preface all this anyway with some lead in. We will make sure that your old account is shared, communicated, make sure everybody knows where to go. Otherwise, your new TikTok is Ethan Frice E T H A N F R I C right. Is that correct?

That's correct? And we have hashtag three Ethan going on right now. Videoone wants to go through something in there, I'm sure it would help it.

Yeah, free freaking Ethan's when I say I can't believe it. I can't. I saw you posting, but I saw a lot of people posting footage of pre where everybody was freaking out because nobody was actually stopping what was happening. I'm surprised that they took your account down because I have seen it now in a few places where it's raw footage of people going hey, hey, hey, and nobody's paying attention to it.

It's bizarre. I mean, I'm hoping it was banned by mistake. I've submitted probably sixty of and I get an automated response back that says you know your account won't come back. We won't respond again. But I keep getting that email, so I'm hoping the more times I send it, some of a person will see it and I can get my account back. But I agree, I've seen it all over the internet. I don't know why me posting it was such a problem, but my accounts a little bit controversial, so it doesn't surprise me. It's gone. It's just a little bit shocking.

I want to ask you one more question, and this I didn't tell you I was going to ask you about this, but the Challenger explosion. I believe it's a Challenger explosion. This to me is wild. Now you can set it up better than I can, but it seems like, according to what I've heard you say, there are basically older doppel ganger versions of the people who died that exist today. How real is this? Do you feel? And if you don't mind, just reset it up for my listeners, because I was trying to explain this to friends and they were like, you're crazy. I'm like maybe, or maybe I'm just not telling the story right.

Yeah, So it's that's a really interesting topic. I believe those four or five astronauts on board, but there, yes, there are older doctor Gosh, I can't talk to my bad There are older doppelganger versions of these people with the same exact names, spelling, and birthday, which I looked into it and the only other instance I could find of adoppelganger with the same name, spelling and birthday one had happened in the last hundred years, aside from these three astronauts or maybe four. So what's interesting is you? I mean, you can just google these astronauts. Google one lady, then google the other one professor at Yale for astrophysics. It lines up perfectly with the career and everything. And you start looking closer and she'll do a little wave with their pinky out and then you look at the older version doing the same wave, and that could be anything. But then the next guy has a weird crooked tooth, so does the old gentleman. Just one crooked tooth. One of them has a weird scar on their ear, and it's the same. And again it's nothing you can prove, but it's it's so interesting. I mean, statistically that would be called impossible. I can say that. I don't know if I can draw an opinion without enough concrete fact. And it's interesting. So a guy on TikTok had actually interviewed one of the female astronauts or he just went up and started asking her, hey, why do you look like this person? Is there any relation? And on video she breaks down almost crying, and she runs away, And that's weird. You know, it's nothing you can draw concrete conclusions on. That's almost a little bit dangerous to do. But there's something there, and it's a little fishy and statistically impossible. I mean, it's almost how much coincidence before? It's not a coincidence anymore.

Also, why wouldn't they change their name? Because I'm with you, it is such a coincidence and if you were trying to hide it, that's hiding so much on plain sight that you're caught. But why would they not change their name? Because I saw the pictures of them old and young? But then I think, well, is that an AI photo that they've just made older? Because again I'm only taking the information from social media, as are you, and you're not drawing any conclusion as well, except saying, wow, if this is true, this is wild. Do we know that those pictures are really them older and not some AI version that someone's made.

Yeah, So most of the photos I used in that video I pulled from their personal LinkedIn accounts. What's funny is I believe his name is Dick Scobie. He goes by Richard Scobie. Now he's now the CEO of cowsand Trees. Their logo is a crashing rocket ship.

It's crazy. It's crazy.

You can't make it up.

His account is at Ethan Frice Ethan. I really appreciate it. I'm sorry you accounts taken down. I will go and follow your new account. I'm a big fan. I watch all your videos and thanks for giving me a little bit of time today.

Much appreciated, Bobby. Appreciate you having me on that. This was a first for me. I had a blast, So thank you.

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