The Black Fat Film Podcast. It's a production of I Heart Radio and Dr John Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the Black Fat Film Podcast where all the intersections of identity are celebrated. I am John also known as Dr John Paul, and we are recording on my birthday and the release of Beyonce's Renaissance. Y'all already know how I feel. I am elated, I feel blessed and sanctified. I am so grateful to be here today. Um, how are y'all feeling? First of all, praise visas and the second of all, we must we must give flowers to you mothera Dr John Paul the blueprint for many of us for being born on this day. Obviously, flowers to miss A for birth of you on this beautiful day. Happy fucking birthday, royalty, and hasn't said pray to visus halleluisgah on this glorious day as well. My name is Jordan's but today y'all can call me church girl. Joe Hoo. You already know how I feel too, And how about yes, church girl? Honestly, okay, I woke up my body feeling like can't custom here? You sure can Okay, okay, I was feeling like ship. I was feeling like ship. But y'all's energy and first of all, all of us looking this cute, I'm like, I'm feeling good. Come on, yeah, so happy. So y'all hear a third voice today and I'm so so so so so so like literally i feel like I'm fan girling and I'm trying not to, but I'm gonna do it anyway because that's just who I am. UM. So I do want to say quickly before we jump into who's with us today? That third verse your that third voice you are hearing. UM. I had the chance to meet Jasmine at an event in twenty nineteen. UM. We met at the event for it was was it? What was it? Um? Hbo Max? It was the what before? That was the one about the laughs is the all Girl the Sketch Show, the Black Black Lady Sketch Show. We met her good part Lady Sketch. So wasn't it such a good party? And then a couple of months later the world said nope, UM, get it down. It was the last good party that we had in twenty nine UM, and we've been friends ever since. And so I just want to say I'm super inspired by you. I'm reminded daily that our calling is Black fat fans, is to create the ship that we need to see. And so I'm so so so excited to welcome you, Jasmine to the show. How are you? Honestly, again, I'm so thankful for y'all for having me. I'm so thankful that y'all have this platform because I mean, I already know that there are so many people that can relate and identify with y'all, but maybe don't have the space or the safety to do so. And so I'm glad that there's this outlet to kind of have that community without having to all be together. It's really important. Yeah, and we've gotten so I say this, oho, Um, I don't know if you're seeing the love come through, but I've already had people follow me and be like, oh my god, I listened to the show on my trip or you know, I was with family and I didn't feel good and I was listening to this episode and it made me feel good. So all of the response in the fields, I'm like getting this this energy that I'm feeling, I'm just getting so much positive energy back, and I'm just so grateful. I think what people are really picking up on is the love that me and Joe Ho have for each other, um, and for for our journeys, but then also the love that we have for other black fat film folks in the community as well. UM. And so Joejo again, we always start our show by saying we love each other, uh, and we always kind of go in knowing that we are going to talk about how much we love each other in the show. UM. And so I just kind of wanted to say again, thank you everybody, and I'll say it at the end of the show too, but thank you everybody for the love and the support that we've been getting. Um, as this show has been going okay. UM. So with that being said, I'm gonna throw it to y'all. Um. You know, we at the beginning of every show, we do our first segment, which is still he year Q, fake T, campy music. I don't want to get sued. And so one of the things that I wanted to ask and are still here segment, um, is you know, what is something you've reconnected with yourself over this week? And so at the beginning of the show, we love for our guests to go first and then I'll throw it to you. Jojo so Jumine, what what have you reconnected with yourself over in the last couple of weeks? You know what? Um? I actually okay. So I had therapy this week, um for the first time and maybe like three weeks, and my therapist was doing this new kind of I don't know if it's like a new practice, but UM, where when we talk about something that has me like in a lot of feelings, whether it's like happy, sad. This case, it was sad, I was crying, UM, and we like paused and talked about where I was feeling that in my body and um, like she noticed like I would take some deep breaths and she called that out and I would say, you know, like, oh, I feel like I can't breathe, and she's like, okay, but where on your body do you feel that? You know? So, Um, She's always been the type of therapist that has really pushed me to connect my mind and my body together. UM. And so I feel like that was a little bit of a reminder and a jumping off point for me to really really really be conscious of my feelings what I'm feeling like on my body, in my body and in my mind, like kind of getting them all on the same page, not you get off. I am so god damn it was. I said that, and I was like, okay, but now you're the therapist on us pages under where we are at and our bodies, and I was like, damn, but this is deep. I'm like, I'll get the all too early. Chap Jesus Christ. I love that, Jess. Yeah, thank you, thank you for that. Was just like and I love I love a therapist who can really align you with yourself and your body like that means so much that you have someone to guide you to do that. I will say a lot speaking of letting self with bodies. My friends know that I love to dance and I'm good at sam I'm really good at it. But the pant pizza has made it challenging to find spaces where I can dance and feel safe to do it. But last night I played Renaissance until one am and I was throwing it all over my house. No one could catch it. It was just me. I made. I made a little close friends list on Instagram. I blessed the folks with it. So I will say in terms of reconnected to myself, to my ass. I am glad that you are still here with me today. Thank you. There you go journey for you and listeners, y'all can't see it, but I just want to throw out during your curls are so on point today, I'm not even gonna hold you, sis. I'm living for the curls. It's not fresh power life. They get your life. I live, I live, I live, I live. But I'm kind of in the same mind. I think that this is it's so good to hear that we are all kind of centering with our our our bodies and our feelings and how we feel about kind of us and where we are. UM. I know for myself kind of alluding to the same notion, right, UM, I've been struggling with kind of like listening to my own emotions around a lot of the stuff that has been happening and moving around me. Asked me, if you know we talked about last week. I'm in the process of trying to write a book, I'm in the process of teaching, I'm in the process of so many different kind of like life changing things. UM. And I think the hardest thing for me has been kind of connecting to the emotions that I've had as a right or write. This constant pressure in entertainment and in journalism to feel like I have to be successful in so many different fronts. And it's not even just about television. I think for me as a writer, it's just wanting to feel like people are actually vibing with the stuff that I'm putting out into the world. And there was a moment where I felt like that wasn't happening, so I said, I'm not gonna write anymore. Um. And as the days have started to move and and my uh, I wouldn't say my editor, but my actual agent has been like, what are you writing because you've got right, um. I feel like I've been reconnecting with that, and I think that's been the biggest thing for me, is like the feeling of actually putting something down in a Google doc or on paper or in my iPad, like just even doing the show notes today and again sorrerdy all they were a little late because this is crazy, but it was just it was really cool to like sit down and be able to like how creative and out like I don't want to say you have to be smart to be able to kind of put something together. But I think as all of us, we've all written, right, we all have different accolades and different spaces we right in. There's a lot of energy that goes into you pouring yourself onto the page. And so it's just been really cool to kind of get back to that voice that that I feel like for a moment I kind of silenced, you know, by taking a backseat to writing. So that's where I'm at. I'm still here. I'm still writing, even if I'm writing for pennies. But the reality of the matter is a little journalism life is not fun thing said It's it's been very good to kind of get back to that voice that I kind of put down for a minute. So um yeah, that's you know, there is something about putting things to paper that makes us visualize it, that makes it more real. So I totally feel that I love that journey for you, John. And speaking of paper, we got we got Pat the Man before we turned off, so we go to a break real quick when we be right back. Okay, all right, So this week I wanted to dive into this idea of what it means to create intersectional content and So for this week's category is we are going to be talking to Jasmine a little bit about their journey. Um, what have they felt as they kind of had the end on lock um as a and I hate using the word influencer, but really, at the end of the day, you are influencing folks like myself to be more upfront and more open about my lived experience, right, yes, like you literally and the girls to open up and speak truth to power. And so we wanted to get into the category, right like, what has it been like for you to be in the spotlight, to be kind of creating your own lane and stuff and so um, one of the first questions that we have for this week's category is really thinking about where your story began. Like I was trying to peruse and do all of the the you know, social media slew thing to find story right the everybody's out there, but tell us, like, tell us a little bit about how your journey began and kind of what made you want to be so forward as like you said a corn bread said lesbian about your journey. Oh my gosh, yes, Um, I just put that in my email signature as you saw it. And I'm like it's just time. It's time anybody emails me and knows that. I honestly, I feel like from a really really early early age, my parents have always kind of set that um precedent of my head of like I'm I'm a leader type of thing. Um, I I my mom is white and my dad is black. In our area, we didn't really have a lot of like black people in general. Um. And then to be um a mixed child also like not really optting in that area. So I think my parents kind of came at it as like, uh, there are people who are going to be thinking and saying that you're different, and the only differences you're better, you know, the only difference is you lead the pack, you don't follow the pack, you know. Um, And so that pretty much. I mean, whether I hated that or loved that, I feel like that was a big thing when growing up that I kind of like had to remember. Even I'm sure you both can definitely relate to this too, even when you tried so hard to maybe fit in, and no matter what, no matter how you straightened your hair, no matter how you put on the clothes that everyone was wearing, you were still going to be different. You know, in some way or another. UM. And I feel like and by the time I got to college, I kind of like let that go and let myself being a little bit more free. UM. And I also found in college, to which I didn't even realize until I looked back at this. Um I it was an art major, and so I had to do a senior thesis. And I did a senior thesis where I had everybody like anybody, I put like flyers around my campus and I was like, anybody who wants to come into my art studio, where as much or as little close as you want, I'm going to give you this thing that you can cover your face with, and I'm going to take pictures of your body. And that was it. And then UM, I got strangers, I got friends. I got so many different people. I arranged them on these like big pillars of like by like a body weight, and had like too like totally different bodies by each other. But didn't tell anybody, you know, UM, but just the fact of like even then, I had people come up to me and be like wow, Like I never thought that I would like have a picture in a in a show where you know, I'm like half naked, or that I'm like wearing a brawl or I bought these special underwear for this, you know. Um. And I realized that I really, really, really just love helping people find that like that inside that permission, you know. Um. And that has taken me on this crazy trip ride of my life that was not planned, not planned at all. That is so beautiful, Jasmine, And I think like that's the true essence of what leader is, is not somebody who just leads and goes by the by themselves, but takes people alongside with them on the journey. And that's so special. Um. Sickly to thinking about your parents, because my parents are the same way for me. They never let me believe that I wasn't good enough for something, that I couldn't be something. Um. My mom and I watched distract a lot, so she was always like, you want to be somebody, you want to go somewhere paying attention. And it was just like, it means a lot to have to family life that and identify with you as a mixed person as well. The experiences of never leaping into a space and having to carve out what it means to exist as this person. And you know, who do you fit in with? How do you fit in with them? You add in queer, you add in fact, it's like a whole recipe of disaster at some point, but then you find you find joy within it. Um. I just I hope it's not to audacious to say this as well, but from my perspective, you came up during the true rise of influencer and content creator. I mean, I remember you on BuzzFeed when it was the only girl in you know, on the block, And since then the space has continuously changed so so much, and the rise of the influences shifted content creative shifts as well. How have you adapted with it as a VFF was back then? You know what? Um, First of all, you are totally correct. I feel like I was if we're going by like, you know, like a graduating class. I feel like I was one of the last graduated class before the college shut out. You know. Oh no, not not not at the moment, but you know, I feel like I just made it through. I just made it through because you know, everything got super saturated and kind of like, I mean, that's how trends go though, you know, upstance whatever. Um, But I feel like you know, I feel like it's been a journey and I don't want to say a game, but kind of as in like I don't know what I'm doing, but also you figure it out and you play the game, you know. Um. I feel like when I started out, I was realizing, um, you know, like what hashtags to put what um buying from small black brands, buying from small queer brands, so they would post me and I would accept their like free payments for posts. And I'm not saying that's like a good ethical thing to do, but that's what I was doing. You know. I was like, how do you get seen? Do that? How do wear this small brand on a BuzzFeed video? Because that creates more and more and more just like what are the smart I guess marketing ways? Um, and of course BuzzFeed duh. Like that's a major catalyst, you know. Um. But when it came to things that started to change, you know, we see Instagram changing, we see TikTok being introduced, we see all these other things. UM. To be honest, I'm just kind of like, if I'm gonna put it up, mh, I'm gonna do it. What what I'm gonna do? You know, I'm gonna there are some things that I feel like I'll work on and put my heart earned sullen and two people will see it. And then though some things, I'll just pick up my phone and be like, well I hate it, and I post it and everyone's like share share share, Yes, exactly, exactly. So at this point I'm just kind of like, I know, authentic is obviously a buzzword, but truly I'm just being me. That's it. You know. Actually I have a fall up to that because I imagine you have a lot of clients working with you, and you said some really fully aligned with who you are in your values, and I imagine also, I mean it's someone who does this work a little bit himself, Like I know some may not be out in the day, like these bills gonna get paid as well. And so that I know you, I know you might a libricist, so I help you my I feel like you might might like this question, but how do you balance creating for your joy and creating for personal sustainability? M H. I feel like, UM, to be honest, anybody that I'm partnering with I believe in and I would use and that's just like I terrible actor, like you will know if I don't like this thing, you know, and so anybody that I get to work with, and that is I know, that's a very like privileged spot to be and to be able to um like everything that I'm promoting and how I get money, you know. Um, but I'm not if if I don't mess with it, I don't. And that's because my stuff needs to at least be like I need to be able to say like, yeah, I did use this and it was good. Like I need to be able to be honest. Um, Yes it's for a check, but that doesn't mean I can't be honest, you know. Now, look now, sometimes you got to speak the truth of shame the devil. That's okay, but true shame the devil. And sometimes you have to tell these people this, this product you're giving, this is not given what it's supposed to happen. But you know what I feel like as as someone in this industry, and y'all, I'm interested to know what you'll think. This is not my podcast. I don't know why I'm interested in reversity A real quick yes, go for it, um, I honestly, like I don't that's your money. Like, I do not care even if if I know fool that you hate whatever you're promoting, but you're still getting paid from it, especially being a black person, a person of color, a queer person, a fat person, like anything, if you are getting paid, I'm like, this is not our faults. Like if if if sis white people can be doing this and extorting it, then I'm like, I don't care. If you are allergic to peanut butter and you're out you're smothering it on your body, Like, go off, I'm gonna like it. I hope you're getting paid. Not out here swing in coconut milk. No, damn well, I hate it right, he's co coconut. No, I'm not doing it. No. That's a really good point. And I think kind of to this point right in terms of talking about identity and talking about like brand awareness and all of these other facets of things. Right, That's why I love these conversations because they are so multidimensional, Like you can't come into these conversations just going well, I'm this and i'm that, and this is how I do it and this is how it works, like we sometimes and even for myself, so I was immediately when you said this. Uh. Last year, I did something with the NFL and I got a lot of flak um and shout out to the people for you know, the National Football League, because I understood what they were doing or what they were trying to do, and that was the reason why I said yes to it, and they offered me a pretty decent coin to do it. But what I will say is, you know, not I don't want to shame them because I don't I know, in my heart of hearts, with my team, with everyone that I had talked to, everyone knew we were all on the same page. Um. There are moments where you sometimes have to step back with some of these brands who have not done well by us over you know, over the years, and say they're trying to turn over a new leaf or they're trying something new and they're trying to bring me into the fold, and that's okay. And so I think that that's where that notion of duality lives within our lived experience. Right, we can say two things can be true at one time. Yes, this company is really terrible, but at the same time, they're trying to do better, and I want to be a part of that journey if it looks good. However, Chick fil A, y'all can keep six ft because nothing to ever do with y'all. And I'll say that very upfrontly, like there are brands that I just know off the cuss don't really funk with us like that. Don't please h like y'all your distance, That's fine, Like we have no need for you over here. But I guess what I did want to ask you is is you're thinking about your identity. We're talking about how identity informs your content? Right, Um, what has been like the greatest joy of using your identity to not only talk about the stuff that people ask you to promote, but really thinking about how your identity informs the content you make around the stuff people ask you to talk about. Um, Okay, So honestly, I kind of I don't get me wrong, Like I love too for people to see me, sure, but I really really really love to like have my platform be that for other people, like people that you wouldn't go and see, Like I know that I might be palatable enough for whatever white person that has to see me or like regular asks like middle of the country person that has to see me but if on my page, I'm also bringing like other people along with me who they wouldn't see, and that can just open more doors for like more acceptance. That's truly what I love, UM, whether that's being able to like I was able to work with um free Form and put on like five of my favorite so and so, you know, and even getting to work with people like behind the scenes UM or if I was ever in a I'm casting for like a photo shoot or something like you're I'm You're gonna see everybody, and if you're cool with me, then you can be cool with them and support them while you're at it, you know. So I really, um, I love not only being able to show what I'm interested in, but showing like how everybody. Whether you think you can relate to someone or not, you probably can't. You know, that should be be related, That should be being related to because there are some people that I'm just like, Okay, Wave, I have to go stay up, please to myself that way again, you can't see that way, but that way it is given everything. Know that Wave was like the physical investiation of That's not my journey very much so very much so. But one thing I'm hearing from you, justin is like what you're You're demonstrating that being this person as person who has a status personal like you are also a community builder as well, and that and you take that so seriously in the work that you do and that you and that you post, that you promote and you show. And I'm I'm curious to go a little bit more personal with you because being a public person, I love Gatze, but people being public person can mean that like everyone wants to be your friend, like everyone, everyone wants to know you, everyone wants to glow like we all know there there are some soul suckers and angy leaches in the world. I want to like drain you. You have both of your joy and your status, and so I'm I'm curious to ask you how do you create space for you to exist joyously in your community? Oh, I feel like well one to just um like reiterate your point of even if you're not even a public figure, people who look like us are the people like people attract to us period And that is like people that are just like dope, people that are just like a sheer confidence to them, they're dagging, you know. And so I feel like so many people can relate to that, whether people know you or not. It's very odd. Um, but I feel the thing I don't know, I feel like I am pretty comfortable. Um. There's obviously a wall of like some things that I'm like, you know, keeping that space and privacy. But for the most part, especially in places where there are other fat people, where they're they're queer people, and where they're they're black people and people of color, I feel like things I feel very comfortable. Um. Now take me to like a mall and I'm like, don't touch me, you know, But um yeah, I feel like publicly, the only thing that I think has actually changed is a little bit more with my closer friendships. I feel like in the past two years, I have done a lot of work to see, um, like, who is showing up for me as much as I'm showing up for them, you know, go ahead take us. And And it's been it's been hard, you know, I think, especially after the last two years, I haven't had to worry about like the outside world as much, but the people that I'm actually letting in and I'm realizing like, oh, like I feel like ship. When we leave this conversation or why am I bending over all this much for you and nothing's being reciprocated, you know, um, And that has been so tough. That has been so hard. So yeah, I'm literally like yes, godding everything that you're saying, because I think that's the thing. Like so I saw and I was I was looking for the perfect moment and like to literally like flip it like Beyonce and try to interpulate something into this conversation and it hits. So. I have a friend that I follow on Twitter and she had posted something a couple of weeks ago and she had said, everybody tells you to believe in yourself until you actually do when you find six s. And it's very interesting because I will say, like even with just you know, we're on our fourth podcast episode, right, but I didn't just think with the way that this podcast is being received and the way that people are talking about stuff around me and Jordan's there's been a very interesting shift. And I say shift, loving you some of the people who I thought I was very very very close to. Um, I'm noticing that the relationships are are changing. But I'm also I also will find too um and and I'll say this they're gonna be um people on the show in a couple of weeks, like friends like my friends Ravel and friends like my friend Jared and some of my friends like x D and j Like, they've literally stepped up and they said, let's I'm gonna support you. And so it's nice to see like the people who need to step back have stepped back, and the people who are really like I never thought would step up have stepped up. So that is that is the damn truth. And for those people that are stepping up, it feels so good. It's like, yes, my circle has gotten smaller, but it has gotten stronger and that's that's important. You know who, As one of my my dear friends, Jen says, squares in my circle. And that's how I look to say that. You put that on the shirt girl like Jerry and making money Gerky submerge circle. Yeah, she submerged. That is that is the super It super It wanted to ask you, you know, kind of quickly as we're kind of like rapping down this segment. I did want to ask you. I think, you know, for myself, right, so I am fortunate to like look two folks like yourself, you know, we talked about Dexter last week. We have a lot of black fat films who are really creating space for themselves in this industry. And when I say this industry, whether it be music, whether it be dance, whether it be fashion, whatever the case may be, right, UM, And I wanted to think about or I wanted to ask a question and regards to companies that come to you and say, hey, we want to work with you, or companies you reach out to and say I would love to work with you, UM, and the response you get is we don't know what to do with you when it comes to content or trying to center the elements of your or I would say, center the intersections of your identity, UM as a black fat film person. So, UM, has that happened to you? I don't want to assume that that has. But if you've dealt with companies that have said like, oh, we don't know what to do or we don't know you know where to put you or who to put you with? UM, how do you step over that to find success? I'm I am. I feel so stupid that I know that has not happened to me, and I assume that it has happened for a lot of sucking people and that's fucking gross. This is your job. Do you mean you don't know that? Is that is very messed up? Um? I am so. Or if that has happened to either one of you or anybody who's listening, that is fucked up. And oh my gosh. I feel like the only thing kind of similar to that I can even relate to is someone when a company like kind of doesn't trust me, not trust my word, but trust my vision because it's different, you know. And on the other side of things I've done like diversity and Inclusion UM, like training whatever UM, consulting UM at companies before UM and even talking to two brands that are reaching out to people and even just letting them know like, hey, you sent me this whole like whole package about everything, this whole brief and there is no fat people in it and there are no black people in it. Like how are you supposed to see me making the correct content for you when you don't even see me in your ideas? Like this is this is not what it's gonna be, you know. UM. So I feel like conversations, I feel like that should be an expectation now, but we all know it's not Um, if that were to ever happen to me, Um, I feel like it's like a uh not a give and take. But you know, I'm a libra. I'm never decided. There's one hand of like, you know, you can mold yourself to fit into that company, And I don't um anybody who does that, especially if it's for a check. I really don't, because people do it all the damn time. You know, you're not the first, you're not the last. Um. Granted, I do think there is change that needs to happen, but I'm not gonna put that change on like a fat black person. I'm not gonna put that change on you know, somebody that is disabled. I'm not. I'm not gonna put that change on minority groups. You know that doesn't That's not our job. That's not how exactly the change is going to happen, you know. Um. But if you are in the position where somebody literally says to you, we don't know, then what the fuck? Like okay, all right? It would either be like alright, bet let me show you, or like then you're right, you don't deserve me, Like that's that's it. Yeah, And I love that you're saying that. Sorry, I didn't want to. I don't want to step on Jehov, but I will say that I think to the The reason why I put this question here is I had saw something yesterday on social from the person I don't I think their name is a Moni, but I think they go by Crutches and spice. There they very very say miss um person who talks about accessibility, and they were talking about a brand. I won't say the brand so that way we don't have to do it legal um. But they are talking. I get this all the time. They'd be like, girl, be careful about who you mention that show because this is a big network and we know what to do with legal. So I get it the conversation. Um, but they were talking about it, and if you go to their you know, if you go to their I think TikTok, or if you go to their Instagram or even I think their Twitter, you can see what the conversations are around this brand and the accessibility. But it's just very interesting to me. And that's, like I said, the reason why I posited that question that we see a lot of brands saying, oh, we love to work with you know, diverse and I hate that word diverse, but we love to work with that diverse you know, influencers or creators or whatever. And then when it comes time to work with them or create the content, no one knows what they're doing. Like literally, no one knows what they're doing. And it's because, like you said, I love that you make that mention of you're the person that's getting paid to know what to do with someone like myself and so wild. Yeah, it's it boggles me, it really does. Like how are you in your job? That part really, how are you in your job? How do you go work? I mean but Bosso jazz and I mean like it's is really it's beautiful. That hasn't happened to you, And I'm really happy to hear that, Like they also shouldn't have to happen that to anybody period, So I'm really happy to hear that hasn't happened to you. And with like I'm not trying, I would love to ask, then, what's the best project that you've worked on? What about it made it feel so great? And within that question, what can brands learn or do to make sure that they're working with black black queer content creators in a really actable way. UM. I'll answer that left part first, just because this was on my mind. Um, I really, I mean even starting with seeing diversity in your brief, it's something so small that really really can And I'm not saying like it's a small task like you're putting the brief together anyway, you know, like make it different if you're doing if you're showing some like athletic whatever, try a whole bunch of different bodies, try a whole bunch of different whatever. Like it shouldn't all look the same anyway, especially if you're really about being inclusive or whatever. Um. And second of all, to both of you that we're saying this a little bit earlier. UM, if you are a company that wants to work with different people, then you know your audience is beautiful. Great, understand that. You know the NFL has done some wrong and you know it can do forward, it can move forward and change, but there has to be a compensation for that. Like you, I need to be paid five K extra for emotional labor. I need to be paid um. And and that's that's true because the NFL doesn't go home and be like, oh, they called me this and told me I was going to die. Um. But we have to read that and whether it affects you or not, that should it's in there somewhere and the fact that you have to decide if it affects you or not. So I feel like brands that are trying to expand and you know, reach more of their audiences, there also has to be a type of emotional compensation. And also you need to be in the comments defending these people that that you have worked with and that's it. Let him yes, um. But with that being said, I feel like the brand that I work with and I absolutely love Target is like one of my favorite brands to work with. They are so detail oriented, which you know I'm not great at, but they are so open to whatever my vision is, whatever whoever I want to put in it, blah blah blah blah, like great, always supportive. UM. Also I love like free Form. I feel like they have done a huge change, um in the past few years from going from like, you know, more of a family whatever to being like um and that's a little bit forward as right. And their instagram is ran by like a black queer woman and I'm like, absolutely you know, Um, those are the two sticking out the most that I'm like, those are the ones that I feel so comfortable. I've never met these people walk on set and I'm like family, Like I I love it. Yeah, I love that so much. Um. Well yeah, and so I think that kind of like you know, putting a cute little you know, bow on this conversation. I think you've offer a lot of the listeners a lot to think about, especially a lot some of our listeners, and I'll say this, they're kind of coming up the same trajectory that you in Jordan are kind of going in terms of like being in front of the camera. I think it's really really great to think about the ways that you can kind of honor yourself, honor who you are, honor all of the things that you bring to the table, but then at the same time kind of set limitations and set kind of like this is what I will do and this is what I'm not gonna do as you're kind of building your brand. So I I will say this again, thank you Jasmine for offering us that we did want to offer the opportunity for you to stick around. So we wanted to ask you, okay, with sticking with us for the next couple of minutes as we want to look yes, Okay, I'm excited and I'm so excited. Okay, cool, So listeners, we are going to spend more time with Jasmine, um, and we when we get back, we're gonna talk a little bit about what it needs to go love yourself this week? Alright, everybody, So this week for go love yourself? Uh, and considering it's my birthday, I wanted to talk about our younger selves right, um, specifically since I feel like, for like the last couple of weeks, I've been seeing a lot of people saying like my younger self would be so proud of me now, or a lot of people referring to the younger self and saying, if I had a chance to talk to my younger self, this is the advice that I'd give them. Um, So I wanted to dish you know, I wanted to ask this week, for our next segment, for a goal of yourself, what is something that your younger self might be proud of? And for me, I'm going to hit the trigger warning a little bit on the top because I am going to talk about ideations, right um, and I'm all are gonna try to do this part without crying and an episode for already be on the verge of tears. Um but I guess going again. Obviously, it is my birthday, and so I'm I'm always emotional around my birthday for some reason or another. Um. I think my younger self would be so proud that I'm still here. Um oh gosh, like already but I I know, but we're all y'all are gonna go through it with me. Um But I think growing up at times and feeling like I did want to be here, and then now you have people like Saucy Santana. I don't always listen to their music, but like seeing them in the public eye, like seeing how people are responding to p Valley, and then like seeing so many other people like knowing I get this part, like I get to do this podcast with another black fat film person, and knowing that my network is so supportive of everything that we do. Um ship, it is just so validating. And so I guess the thing I would say, like in terms of like my go love yourself and my younger self, I'm just happy to be alive and I know that there are not a lot of people who can't say that, or a lot of people who feel that, But I think that that's genuinely like as I'm thinking about kind of like my birthday wish and all of these different things, right, I'm thinking about how I'm validating this idea that I am just so happy to be where I am currently. So I wanted to ask you, Jasmine Joe Hoo, like, how are you validating your younger selves today for this go love yourself segment? First of all, not you pulling a drag race and my final love it ship and like I'm listeners were literally all actually crying. We are all in years with my nail, I will say, I I do of this question, and um, I'm I'm curious if y'all did this in in in you when you were in school. But in my freshman year of high school, we actually wrote letters to ourselves that would be sent ten years later. And so I had got on mine in twenty nineteen and it was so so wild. Um, my younger self could really not have imagined this and it wasn't tapped into possibility in the way that I am now. Um, and yet like here we are, like as I said in the first episode, hennany is the Jewish word of like I've arrived or I am here, and it's the declaration of survival against all odds. And I just I didn't I didn't imagine a world like my world as queer. I didn't imagine it like without without my dad. I didn't imagine it living in so Cal being fought, and yet like all these things that finally appeared. And I I fully believe that young and Jordan would be so proud of everything he made possible for himself. And so I do want to say to young and Jordan, but I love him for choosing to be here if in the moments that he did not want to, because that really made him a stronger and better and more wholesome person. So thank you for that question, but also that question. I don't know. Y'all asked me to stay and then made me cry. I'm so sorry. I'm so excited for the segment tears got you. What about you, Jasmine? Oh, I think there's kind of like two things that come to my mind, which is the first and foremost very similar to y'all. Like, I don't even know if younger Jasmine could have dreamt this, you know, Like, I, yeah, I don't even know if if you would have told me this is the how my life has gone up until me being thirty one years old, I would have been like what the fuck? Like you know, um wild um. But also I think, you know, as as I started this out being a little bit deep, um, there were so many things in my childhood and in my environment, not necessarily like my home environment, but just society like where I was raised that I didn't put together until I'm healing through it now. And I feel like being a child and kind of like automatically gaslighting myself, you know, into thinking like you know this is this isn't on that, it's on me. You know this isn't You're in control. You know you can you can do this if you act a certain way. This is how it's supposed to be, you know when in all reality, like people affect you, and I was trying not to give that to people. But I have had to realize that and I've had to go through that healing um, but also not getting mad at myself for responding to things how I did. Um. I feel like even in like my early twenties, I know this isn't like younger younger, Jasmine. But in my early twenties, I had some friends that like treated me not great, and I put it on myself on like Okay, now you know what they're capable of, you know. Now, now you know how they can, you know. And I look back now as I'm going through this healing and therapy and being like, Okay, that wasn't the move, but also that was the move I needed at that time. That's how I needed to move forward, you know. And that's not the truth for forever, but I needed that to make myself strong to be able to go through that now and realize like, no, those are just shitty people, you know. Um so yeah, I feel like my younger self would be proud of actually processing my feelings and emotions. Shout out to all of our younger selves for like not only just the notion of growth, but like I even think about even just being in college, the things that I went through in college and now looking back at those things and being like all of those things were like precursors and set up to this moment that I we have of being able to be like, Okay, I see you know, really what they say real eyes, recordnuys real eyes, Like I'm able to see the real eyes. I'm able to see with real eyes. But ultimately to like, there's so many little things that I thought I wouldn't be able to get over, and now they're like they set the precipice for me to be able to think bigger and think larger and be able to like live in the moment where I feel like I get this. So, y'all, this this segment, this segment was everything. It did exactly what I needed it to do. I am sorry that I took y'all there, but eventually we were going to get there. One of these episodes, somebody was gonna cry. This was for our new podcast, Black Face to talk About. Okay, this is actually a promo for our new podcast called Healing at the Intersection. Are you kidding with us? Y'all? We're gonna take one more break. We'll be right back in just a second. Alright, So as we get into our yes ma'am's and O no man PAMs this week, UM, you already know where I'm going. My yes ma'am's for this week is definitely the only yes ma'am that I'm giving is to Renaissance period. I don't need to say nothing else. It is giving me the our sensation. It's really just for me. It's the love of artistry. It's the jabs back at the media and the people who try to make Beyonce feel bad about all of the love that she not only has for herself, but for her family, for her blackness, for just everything that Beyonce and her and and her being is, which I like to call her bad ass nous. I think that this for me is just it's a time that I think we're starting to see people kind of like while I was listening to Renaissance and there were little things that she said throughout the album, I'm learning and I'm listening as someone who's hoping to one day be as successful that there is this conversation of no matter how big you get, there's gonna always be someone who tries to make you feel small, and that that is what the message of Renaissance is, right, Like, I have to be my biggest fan if I'm going to continue to be successful, because everyone and their mama's gonna try to tear me down. Um. I also did want to shout out so you always I always talk about how one day I'm gonna meet Beyonce and actually believe this. Um. I wanted to shout out my friend Courice, who my friend Careice Smith. They got to work with her on the song Cozy as well as TS Madison. Um, they got to lay some vocals down for that song. UM. And I'm just I'm why it's iconic, Like we were in the text chain, so I knew about the split a couple of weeks ago. Coreset text everyone in our text chain like, hey, you know, just in a f why I my song might be on her album but I'm not sure. And I was like okay, cute girl. And then when it dropped, they text again and they said I got my split last night and I was just like bad, Like the price went up like literally because they are literally credited on her album. So shout out to Curice. I'm so proud of you girl, like words kid, Like I remember us sitting into Mecuela, you telling us about the the idea of you possibly being on the album, and it's happening like you literally manifested it. So I'm really excited for that. And then I also another yes man for this week. It's my friend Ryan Um, who was on the show last week, they interviewed this week. So I don't know, yes, yes, I want you Boots Um, and so I just wanted so I wanted to say big shout out to Ryan mit show. You continue to be the blue print and we love you and I'm just so happy. I'm also don't want to say t s girl. If you ever hear this episode or Saucy, return our emails. Girl. We've been in your email box for you to be over on this show to can cash it with us. We please, we need you. We got two episodes in the season that don't have guests we would do, so I just had to plug that and then my no man PAMs for this week. Um. Bottom line, people who don't like Beyonce, people who do the sneak di I catch it, I do catch it. There are the people who, especially with this whole um, with this whole situation of supposedly, oh you're supposed to be you know, black woman positive, and you're not giving people credit. Um. Just like my friend Stephen said last night on Twitter, people need to understand how the industry works. If you don't have credit, you don't have credit, So why am I gonna call you to give you credit when you don't even own the song no shape. I'm just saying, that's how the that's how the industry works. You don't want, you don't know, um, and so that's really how the industry works. So I just wanted to say, no man, Pam to the people who talk a lot of mess about Beyonce and about her artistry when they are not doing anything to make this world better. They probably don't wash their legs or their feet, um, and are trying to take the joy out of this album for people like Ship, Like we've had a rough two and a half years. Can you just let us have something? Can we just be happy so desolutely where I'm at? What about you, joho? I would say, okay, I mean it's an oh yes, ma'am. It would not be a black fat fan podcast if we did not both praise the art that in renaissance. I mean, she said this is this is for the ball girls and the ball girls only, not only album for the games, not not only this album black as fun, it's queer as it makes me want to dance all night with the girls. I mean, monkey Pops and we're gonna be Dan this time. How it makes you feel. I won't do it because I'm trying to get sicking. The viruses is not my friends. But I just have to say yes, ma'am to that, Yes ma'am to Yance's uncle Johnny A. Buss in memory, whom she's mentioned several times now, who clearly served as a blueprint the influence that she's received from queer and ball culture. I thank him for providing her a platform and stage and record to share with us. In his memory, I also will say, I don't want to I want this to go to to slip by. I yes, ma'am to keep two KICKI keep a bag palmer herself to the world when she said maybe this is Kicky Bomber when people are like, we're gonna breakout, role she's that bitch. I've been broken out, And I was like, y'all, howy y'all miss aculling behind, how did y'all mister Jackson VP like so so I wish she was gonna say, I have I have I have no no, ma'am pms because honestly and nobody worth my time and energy in the spirit of Yonce's Green Earth, but I will say no, mam, pans to the folks who are trying to act like Kicky Bomber was has not been that girl since the beginning. She's she's been keeping a bag and as Jones says, and lost her song, I'm in my bag, bag bag bag Okay, absolutely yes, what about you, Jasmine? Oh I love this um following along Kicky Palmer, I'm gonna give a yes, ma'am to the movie. No, Um, I all it. I I might even go back and see it again. I am obsessed with it. It is art, it is it is absolutely beautiful. I'm very very excited for that um and for everybody to see it. Um. Also yes, ma'am. I I don't know if this is exactly how you pronounce her, but lux ind area or lux id aria um. She sells like bundles of hair with like glitter tinsel in them. So I bought like nine paths and I'm getting my hair done tonight with it, and I'm so excited. I was like, you know, this is the last kind of like fun thing I'm going to do in the summer. Let me get some like sparkly different colors. So I'm very excited for that ump and I'm gonna join it. I'm gonna join in on the nomad pana. Anybody like stop being a hater on anything stops. Please mind your business, people live freeing your business is free, but also minding the business that pays you. It's also a thing right and a lot of people are not getting paid for their opinions. It's sure. I like to say, please keep them. If they're not paying you, no one needs them so really, But that being said, thank you everybody for I mean, and I say everybody is Joho and Jasmine, y'all have been the like. This has been that episode that has really taken me there, along with all the past episodes. So if you haven't had a chance to listen to our previous episodes, please go back listen get your life, UM, it's it's It's really been a really great time to um, really to just be alive right in the last couple of months, I've been really filling oh to knowing that I'm in the right place with the right people. UM. We would love to hear your thoughts about our past episodes or even this episode, UM, and so please send us an email at Black Fat Film Pod at gmail dot com. That's b l a c K fat film f E m m E pod at gmail dot com. You can also send us your thoughts via social media by interacting with our post on Instagram and Twitter by using the handle at b l K fat film pod. UM. That's b l K fat f E m m E pod UM. I also want to UM. I also want to say, please make sure that you go onto Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts on your UM preferred Apple or Android device and rate us five stars. We would love for you all to rate us five I was gonna say Windows phone and ignore Androids, but I know Jordan would be in the like chat being like girl, I know you didn't did. I love to speak dis Jordan's with the Android situation. UM, but thank you our guest Jasmine for being here and dealing with our foolishness today. Jasmine, can you tell us where people can find you? First of all, thank you all for having me. Truly, this was an enlightenment to my whole week. So I appreciate y'all and again for this platform and the work that both of you are doing together and separate. UM. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter Jasmine Ja and TikTok is thick talk and it has like four eyes in there. You're famous, so people will find you if they need that, and I will make sure that I put it in the credits to make sure that people know where to get you. Joho. Where can people find you? Girls? You can find me at Joho Daniel's across all socials at seth LinkedIn. I do keep it classy there. You can visit my website, which is not to myself to say girl up there at www dot Jordan Daniels dot com. Otherwise you will find me in Taco Bell. Stuff in my face with being Brido's blasting pure honey, Okay. I love to see and and and inside. Note last week I had the audacity to go to Taco Bell twice and they did not have the box that I was looking for. So I'm not shipping on Taco Bell. I want to make that very clear that I'm still gonna go to Taco Bell. My thing is I'm gonna need to find that chelupa box that they have because that's a dollar box. That's a good situation there, giving honey, I stay hungry. I need to go there m after this record are like now for Salvacan chap Um asked for me. You know you can always find me at your local Crispy cream or tiptoeing past the Louisa Toms store. You can also find me on social media by using the handle at dr John Paul and I'll by visiting ww dot dotr John Paul dot com. Um. I wanted to take the opportunity to thank our producer Tari Harrison, and our team over at I Heart Media and our editor Chris Rogers for all the amazing work that YouTube. This has been another show. Thank you everybody for listening, and please go tell your white neighbors to do something about white supremacy because we are all tired. See you next by