This week the BFF’s explore how camp in film and television can unlock Black queer joy beyond stories of pain. Actor Marc Sully Saint-Fleur (Jury Duty, The Good Place) joins us to share how camp shapes his performances, fuels whimsy, and creates space for bold, authentic expression while balancing chaos, humor, and heart without falling into a stereotype.

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This week the BFF&rsquo;s explore how camp in film and television can unlock Black queer joy beyond stories of pain. Actor Marc Sully Saint-Fleur (Jury Duty, The Good Place) joins us to share how camp shapes his performances, fuels whimsy, and creates space for bold, authentic expression while balancing chaos, humor, and heart without falling into a stereotype.
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"The B.F.F. Podcast” gives voice to two of the leading queer, fat and Black changemakers while calling in the world to examine and understand what it means to love oneself unapologetically - in a world where loving oneself often feels impossible.

"The B.F.F. Podcast” gives voice to two of the leading queer, fat and Black changemakers while calling in the world to examine and understand what it means to love oneself unapologetically - in a world where loving oneself often feels impossible.

BFF: Black, Fat, Femme

It’s Giving Black Camp (Featuring Marc Sully Saint-Fleur) 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/4bdc7126-e365-4b32-9f76-b48e00592042/transcript

In this week's episode we are joined by researcher and author Dr. Terrell J.A. Winder for a powerful conversation on the intersections of identity, stigma, and self-worth among Black queer men in Los Angeles. Grounded in Terrell’s work, we explore the earliest moments many Black queer folks come to understand their bodies as “problems” and how those messages are shaped by institutions like churches, schools, healthcare systems, and everyday public life. We also talk about their new book "Shameless" and  how we all can imagine new pathways toward healing and liberation.

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In this week's episode we are joined by researcher and author Dr. Terrell J.A. Winder for a powerful conversation on the intersections of identity, stigma, and self-worth among Black queer men in Los Angeles. Grounded in Terrell&rsquo;s work, we explore the earliest moments many Black queer folks come to understand their bodies as &ldquo;problems&rdquo; and how those messages are shaped by institutions like churches, schools, healthcare systems, and everyday public life. We also talk about their new book "Shameless" and &nbsp;how we all can&nbsp;imagine new pathways toward healing and liberation.
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A New Scenario (Featuring Dr. Terrell J.A. Winder)

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/55599493-f890-4977-a08d-b48700451e6a/transcript

On this week’s episode of the Black Fat Femme Podcast, the BFF's sit down with multihyphenate creator Kalen Allen for a deep, tender, and hilarious conversation about life after the show. Kalen reflects on his rise, the industry’s response once the cameras stopped rolling, and what it’s taken to rebuild his career and sense of self beyond daytime TV.

Together, they unpack grief, rejection, and starting over, what it means to be Black, queer, and femme in entertainment, and why nuance is non‑negotiable when you’re telling the truth about power, pain, and joy online.

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On this week&rsquo;s episode of the Black Fat Femme Podcast, the BFF's sit down with multihyphenate creator Kalen Allen for a deep, tender, and hilarious conversation about life after the show. Kalen reflects on his rise, the industry&rsquo;s response once the cameras stopped rolling, and what it&rsquo;s taken to rebuild his career and sense of self beyond daytime TV.
Together, they unpack grief, rejection, and starting over, what it means to be Black, queer, and femme in entertainment, and why nuance is non‑negotiable when you&rsquo;re telling the truth about power, pain, and joy online.
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The Nuance Episode (Featuring Kalen Allen) 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/ea76c789-2384-4039-97f8-b480003d34a6/transcript

This week the BFF's are joined by Black Women Taught Us award winningauthor, educator and scholar to discuss why we are in the mess we are in and why we need to listen to Black women the first time. We also get into why Cheesecake Factory needs to stop changing its menu and why we will always celebrate pride, even if this trash ass government tries to take it away.

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This week the BFF's are joined by Black Women Taught Us award winning author, educator and scholar to discuss why we are in the mess we are in and why we need to listen to Black women the first time. We also get into why Cheesecake Factory needs to stop changing its menu and why we will always celebrate pride, even if this trash ass government tries to take it away.
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A Canary in the Coal Mine (Featuring Dr. Jenn M. Jackson)

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/40fb1658-d45e-4d5c-a986-b47800d796d2/transcript

It’s Giving Black Camp (Featuring Marc Sully Saint-Fleur)

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