Robert sits down with Molly Conger to explore a book at the foundation of American conspiracy culture that may have helped kill Steve Jobs.

Robert sits down with Molly Conger to explore a book at the foundation of American conspiracy culture that may have helped kill Steve Jobs.

There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.

There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.

Everything you don't know about History's greatest monsters

Behind the Bastards

Part One: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/2a82c6f0-580d-4736-9edf-b27a00595941/transcript

Robert is joined again by James Stout to continue to discuss the Tobacco Industry.

Robert is joined again by James Stout to continue to discuss the Tobacco Industry.

CZM Rewind: Part Two: How Cigarettes Invented Everything

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/e40ddbb1-370e-483d-835d-b3c9016f33b2/transcript

Robert is joined by James Stout to discuss the Tobacco Industry.

(2 part series)
https://daily.jstor.org/a-brief-history-of-tobacco-in-america/
https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/james-buchananduke-father-of-the-modern-cigarette-by-william-kremer/comment-page-1/
  https://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/scriptorium/eaa/tobacco.html
https://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/scriptorium/eaa/duke-doc.html
https://sites.middlebury.edu/smokingkills/forms-of-tobacco-advertisement/ https://csts.ua.edu/files/2016/09/A-History-of-Tobacco-Trading
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5402187/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/?report=classic#bib3 https://www.jstor.org/stable/40469740
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470496/?report=classic
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Cigarette/JX6mDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover
http://www.cigarettecentury.com/

CZM Rewind: Part One: How Cigarettes Invented Everything

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/8e549cf9-8c0b-4bb2-8a90-b3c9016f33aa/transcript

Part Three: Robert tells David about Ziz's glorious plan to take to the sea and sever the right and left brains of her followers in order to make them psychopaths god that sentence was weird to write trust us the episode is weirder.

Part Four: Robert concludes the story of the Zizians with a spree of horrific violent crimes and deaths, culminating in a shoot out with the Border Patrol in Vermont of all places.

 

Sources: 
https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/infohazard
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130316/https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/
Wayback Machine
The Zizians
Spectral Sight
True Hero Contract
Schelling Orders – Sinceriously
Glossary – Sinceriously
 https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130330/https://sinceriously.fyi/my-journey-to-the-dark-side/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130302/https://sinceriously.fyi/glossary/#zentraidon
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130259/https://sinceriously.fyi/vampires-and-more-undeath/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130316/https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
https://x.com/orellanin?s=21&t=F-n6cTZFsKgvr1yQ7oHXRg
https://zizians.info/
according to The Boston Globe
Inside the ‘Zizians’: How a cultish crew of radical vegans became linked to killings across the United States | The Independent
Silicon Valley ‘Rationalists’ Linked to 6 Deaths
The Delirious, Violent, Impossible True Story of the Zizians | WIRED
Good Group and Pasek’s Doom – Sinceriously
Glossary – Sinceriously
Mana – Sinceriously
Effective Altruism’s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg
The Zizian Facts - Google Docs
Several free CFAR summer programs on rationality and AI safety - LessWrong 2.0 viewer
This guy thinks killing video game characters is immoral | Vox
Inadequate Equilibria: Where and How Civilizations Get Stuck
Eliezer Yudkowsky comments on On Terminal Goals and Virtue Ethics - LessWrong 2.0 viewer                                                                                                   
Effective Altruism’s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg
SquirrelInHell: Happiness Is a Chore
PLUM OF DISCORD — I Became a Full-time Internet Pest and May Not...
Roko Harassment of PlumOfDiscord Composited – Sinceriously
Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
Infohazardous Glossary – Sinceriously
SquirrelInHell-Decision-Theory-and-Suicide.pdf - Google Drive
The Matrix is a System – Sinceriously
A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
PLUM OF DISCORD (Posts tagged cw-abuse)
Timeline: Violence surrounding the Zizians leading to Border Patrol agent shooting

Part Three: Robert tells David about Ziz's glorious plan to take to the sea and sever the right and left brains of her followers in order to make them psychopaths god that sentence was weird to write trust us the episode is weirder.
Part Four: Robert concludes the story of the Zizians with a spree of horrific violent crimes and deaths, culminating in a shoot out with the Border Patrol in Vermont of all places.
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<li><a href="https://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/infohazardous-glossary#debucketing" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/infohazardous-glossary%23debucketing&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0DdBDKMxRb0Derkm_vrUxO">Infohazardous Glossary &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
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CZM Rewind: How The Zizians Went Full On Death Cult & The Zizian Murder Spree (or Exactly How Harry Potter Fanfic Killed A Border Patrol Agent)

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