Robert sits down with the magnanimous Katy Stoll to discuss the predecessor of Phyllis Schlafly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones: Elizabeth Dilling

Robert sits down with the magnanimous Katy Stoll to discuss the predecessor of Phyllis Schlafly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones: Elizabeth Dilling

There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.

There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.

Everything you don't know about History's greatest monsters

Behind the Bastards

Part One: Elizabeth Dilling: The Original Candace Owens

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In Part Two, Robert is again joined by Dr. Kaveh Hoda to discuss the rise and fall of the doctor at the center of the wellness podcast circuit: Dr. Peter Attia. From his stent as a McKinsey consult consultant to his pricey concierge longevity practice, a hit podcast, and a #1 bestseller. We break down "Medicine 3.0" and where the evidence holds up, where it doesn't, and how a smart, credible doctor can end up giving cover to the MAHA crowd. Finally, we get into his emails with Jeffrey Epstein, the fallout at CBS and his sponsors, and what it all says about doctors, fame, and wealthy patients. Content note: discusses Jeffrey Epstein and sexual abuse.

 

Sources:

Attia, Peter. Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity. March 28, 2023.

Johansson, Minna, et al. "Continuous Glucose Monitoring for Persons With and Without Diabetes." JAMA, August 3, 2026.

Khullar, Dhruv. "How to Die in Good Health." The New Yorker, April 15, 2024.

Mann, Brian. "McKinsey & Company to Pay $650 Million for Role in Opioid Crisis." NPR, December 13, 2024.

Martin, Kristen. "The Problem With Peter Attia: The Longevity Guru Turned Up in the Epstein Files. Should We Have Taken His Health Advice So Seriously in the First Place?" Slate, February 26, 2026.

Ruetenik, Daniel, and Arden, Farhi. "Dr. Peter Attia, Longevity Expert, Apologizes for 'Indefensible' Emails to Jeffrey Epstein." CBS News, February 2, 2026.

Tyrangiel, Josh. "The Epstein Spectrum." The Atlantic, April 3, 2026.

Walker, Graham. "A Skeptic's Review of Peter Attia's Outlive." LinkedIn, January 13, 2024. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/skeptics-review-peter-attias-outlive-graham-walker-md-z6rsc

Blum, Dani "Peter Attia's Ties to Epstein Spark Backlash From Doctors." The New York Times, February 10, 2026

Kaufman, Maya and Gardner, Laura . "I Think She Will Be Loyal: Jeffrey Epstein's Role in Peter Attia's Rise." Politico, March 16, 2026.

Pollack, Neal. "The Plight of Peter Attia." The Spectator, July 15, 2025.

Greene, Jenna. Epstein files up in lawsuit, over stock options by longevity expert, Peter Attia. March 20, 2026

Podcasts:
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 168, August 2021.
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 172, August 2021.
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 190, January 10, 2022.
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 298, April 15, 2024.
The Joe Rogan Experience. Episode 1735, 1961 
Jocko Podcast. Episodes 55, 56, and 392.
The Tim Ferriss Show. Episode 398, "Peter Attia, MD: Fasting, Metformin, Athletic Performance, and More," November 27, 2019.

In Part Two, Robert is again joined by Dr. Kaveh Hoda to discuss the rise and fall of the doctor at the center of the wellness podcast circuit: Dr. Peter Attia. From his stent as a McKinsey consult consultant to his pricey concierge longevity practice, a hit podcast, and a #1 bestseller. We break down "Medicine 3.0" and where the evidence holds up, where it doesn't, and how a smart, credible doctor can end up giving cover to the MAHA crowd. Finally, we get into his emails with Jeffrey Epstein, the fallout at CBS and his sponsors, and what it all says about doctors, fame, and wealthy patients. Content note: discusses Jeffrey Epstein and sexual abuse.
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Sources:
Attia, Peter. Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity. March 28, 2023.
Johansson, Minna, et al. "Continuous Glucose Monitoring for Persons With and Without Diabetes." JAMA, August 3, 2026.
Khullar, Dhruv. "How to Die in Good Health." The New Yorker, April 15, 2024.
Mann, Brian. "McKinsey &amp; Company to Pay $650 Million for Role in Opioid Crisis." NPR, December 13, 2024.
Martin, Kristen. "The Problem With Peter Attia: The Longevity Guru Turned Up in the Epstein Files. Should We Have Taken His Health Advice So Seriously in the First Place?" Slate, February 26, 2026.
Ruetenik, Daniel, and Arden, Farhi. "Dr. Peter Attia, Longevity Expert, Apologizes for 'Indefensible' Emails to Jeffrey Epstein." CBS News, February 2, 2026.
Tyrangiel, Josh. "The Epstein Spectrum." The Atlantic, April 3, 2026.
Walker, Graham. "A Skeptic's Review of Peter Attia's Outlive." LinkedIn, January 13, 2024. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/skeptics-review-peter-attias-outlive-graham-walker-md-z6rsc
Blum, Dani "Peter Attia's Ties to Epstein Spark Backlash From Doctors." The New York Times, February 10, 2026
Kaufman, Maya and Gardner, Laura . "I Think She Will Be Loyal: Jeffrey Epstein's Role in Peter Attia's Rise." Politico, March 16, 2026.
Pollack, Neal. "The Plight of Peter Attia." The Spectator, July 15, 2025.
Greene, Jenna. Epstein files up in lawsuit, over stock options by longevity expert, Peter Attia. March 20, 2026
Podcasts: The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 168, August 2021. The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 172, August 2021. The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 190, January 10, 2022. The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 298, April 15, 2024. The Joe Rogan Experience. Episode 1735, 1961&nbsp; Jocko Podcast. Episodes 55, 56, and 392. The Tim Ferriss Show. Episode 398, "Peter Attia, MD: Fasting, Metformin, Athletic Performance, and More," November 27, 2019.

Part Two: Peter Attia and the Cult of Longevity

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Dr. Peter Attia is not the worst doctor we've covered, but he may be one of the most influential. This week, Robert is joined by Dr. Kaveh Hoda to learn about the rise of a longevity medicine superstar who would influence the manosphere, the biohacker set, and the "healthspan" crowd.  Covering what longevity medicine actually is and why concierge care is a problem for the country.

Check out Kaveh's new podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/persian-of-interest/id6814679153?i=1000791027349 

Sources:

Attia, Peter. Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity. March 28, 2023.

Johansson, Minna, et al. "Continuous Glucose Monitoring for Persons With and Without Diabetes." JAMA, August 3, 2026.

Khullar, Dhruv. "How to Die in Good Health." The New Yorker, April 15, 2024.

Mann, Brian. "McKinsey & Company to Pay $650 Million for Role in Opioid Crisis." NPR, December 13, 2024.

Martin, Kristen. "The Problem With Peter Attia: The Longevity Guru Turned Up in the Epstein Files. Should We Have Taken His Health Advice So Seriously in the First Place?" Slate, February 26, 2026.

Ruetenik, Daniel, and Arden, Farhi. "Dr. Peter Attia, Longevity Expert, Apologizes for 'Indefensible' Emails to Jeffrey Epstein." CBS News, February 2, 2026.

Tyrangiel, Josh. "The Epstein Spectrum." The Atlantic, April 3, 2026.

Walker, Graham. "A Skeptic's Review of Peter Attia's Outlive." LinkedIn, January 13, 2024. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/skeptics-review-peter-attias-outlive-graham-walker-md-z6rsc

Blum, Dani "Peter Attia's Ties to Epstein Spark Backlash From Doctors." The New York Times, February 10, 2026

Kaufman, Maya and Gardner, Laura . "I Think She Will Be Loyal: Jeffrey Epstein's Role in Peter Attia's Rise." Politico, March 16, 2026.

Pollack, Neal. "The Plight of Peter Attia." The Spectator, July 15, 2025.

Greene, Jenna. Epstein files up in lawsuit, over stock options by longevity expert, Peter Attia. March 20, 2026

Podcasts:
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 168, August 2021.
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 172, August 2021.
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 190, January 10, 2022.
The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 298, April 15, 2024.
The Joe Rogan Experience. Episode 1735, 1961 
Jocko Podcast. Episodes 55, 56, and 392.
The Tim Ferriss Show. Episode 398, "Peter Attia, MD: Fasting, Metformin, Athletic Performance, and More," November 27, 2019.

Dr. Peter Attia is not the worst doctor we've covered, but he may be one of the most influential. This week, Robert is joined by Dr. Kaveh Hoda to learn about the rise of a longevity medicine superstar who would influence the manosphere, the biohacker set, and the "healthspan" crowd. &nbsp;Covering what longevity medicine actually is and why concierge care is a problem for the country.
Check out Kaveh's new podcast here: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/persian-of-interest/id6814679153?i=1000791027349">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/persian-of-interest/id6814679153?i=1000791027349</a>&nbsp;
Sources:
Attia, Peter. Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity. March 28, 2023.
Johansson, Minna, et al. "Continuous Glucose Monitoring for Persons With and Without Diabetes." JAMA, August 3, 2026.
Khullar, Dhruv. "How to Die in Good Health." The New Yorker, April 15, 2024.
Mann, Brian. "McKinsey &amp; Company to Pay $650 Million for Role in Opioid Crisis." NPR, December 13, 2024.
Martin, Kristen. "The Problem With Peter Attia: The Longevity Guru Turned Up in the Epstein Files. Should We Have Taken His Health Advice So Seriously in the First Place?" Slate, February 26, 2026.
Ruetenik, Daniel, and Arden, Farhi. "Dr. Peter Attia, Longevity Expert, Apologizes for 'Indefensible' Emails to Jeffrey Epstein." CBS News, February 2, 2026.
Tyrangiel, Josh. "The Epstein Spectrum." The Atlantic, April 3, 2026.
Walker, Graham. "A Skeptic's Review of Peter Attia's Outlive." LinkedIn, January 13, 2024. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/skeptics-review-peter-attias-outlive-graham-walker-md-z6rsc
Blum, Dani "Peter Attia's Ties to Epstein Spark Backlash From Doctors." The New York Times, February 10, 2026
Kaufman, Maya and Gardner, Laura . "I Think She Will Be Loyal: Jeffrey Epstein's Role in Peter Attia's Rise." Politico, March 16, 2026.
Pollack, Neal. "The Plight of Peter Attia." The Spectator, July 15, 2025.
Greene, Jenna. Epstein files up in lawsuit, over stock options by longevity expert, Peter Attia. March 20, 2026
Podcasts: The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 168, August 2021. The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 172, August 2021. The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 190, January 10, 2022. The Peter Attia Drive. Episode 298, April 15, 2024. The Joe Rogan Experience. Episode 1735, 1961&nbsp; Jocko Podcast. Episodes 55, 56, and 392. The Tim Ferriss Show. Episode 398, "Peter Attia, MD: Fasting, Metformin, Athletic Performance, and More," November 27, 2019.

Part One: Peter Attia and the Cult of Longevity

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Robert concludes the thrilling story of how Heinrich Schlieman destroyed a crucial piece of our shared human heritage after purchasing a child bride.

Robert concludes the thrilling story of how Heinrich Schlieman destroyed a crucial piece of our shared human heritage after purchasing a child bride.

Part Two: Heinrich Schliemann: The Archaeologist Who Destroyed Troy

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