“If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to a library.” – Frank Zappa.  In this episode, Clifton and Shay get real about higher education—what they learned, what they didn’t, and whether it was all actually worth it. Joined by longtime friend and guest Daniel P. Nicholson, the trio dives into everything from student loans and life-changing detours to awkward college dates and the myth that you must have a degree to succeed.

They share their own (very different) journeys—from state universities to community colleges to skipping the whole system—and break down the economics of education, the power of trade schools, and how “success” looks very different for everyone. And yes, they also explore why college might just be the best place to “find yourself”… or at least find a date.

Plus: Shay’s hot take on the choices you make in your 30’s.

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Here are some notable moments from this episode:

00:00 – Welcome Back to CliShay

01:45 – The Many Roads to a Degree

06:12 – The College Myth

09:38 – Howard Stern Dreams

14:25 – Homecoming Hijinks

18:10 – College vs. Real Life Economics

23:30 – Discovering Your Strengths

30:45 – Trade School & Alternative Routes

36:02 – Unpopular Opinion: You Don’t Know