Money: It’s a stressful and often taboo topic that makes many people uncomfortable to even talk about.

But New York Times bestselling author Nicole Lapin and Entrepreneur Magazine editor-in-chief Jason Feifer say that’s the very problem, and one of the biggest reasons why so many people are in debt and suffer from money anxiety.

In this interview, no topic is off limits. Jason and Nicole debate the touchiest finance topics from their brand new podcast “Hush Money.”