South Africa is in mourning following the untimely passing of Nathi Mthethwa, the country's ambassador to France and a long-serving senior member of the African National Congress party. Mthethwa's career spanned decades, including roles as police minister, arts and culture minister, and now as ambassador to Paris. Known for his influence in South African politics, as well as moments of controversy, he was a figure who left a lasting imprint on the nation's governance and international relations. We speak today with former minister Jeff Radebe, who worked closely with Mthethwa, to reflect on his life, career, and the legacy he leaves behind.