In this episode, Ryan breaks down the real forces shaping today’s conservative movement. Joined by Modern Age editor Daniel McCarthy, Ryan explores the history of the American right, the rise of neoconservatism, and the ongoing struggle between principled conservatism and personality-driven politics. They confront the GOP’s internal conflicts, the lasting influence of Donald Trump, and the dangers of fringe rhetoric—including a clear rejection of anti-Semitism. The conversation also highlights lessons from past conservative thinkers, what young conservatives should prioritize today, and where leaders like Ron DeSantis fit into the movement’s future. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.

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