It's been a minute since we published an episode, in part because Chris and Alicia have had complicated lives. Here's how we contend with bad news inside and out of the desert: we go to ground in the desert.

Join Chris Clarke and a variety of guests as they explore the challenges and opportunities of the American Southwest's fragile ecosystems. Engaging interviews with experts, activists, and advocates on conservation, land management, and environmental justice. Science and sentiment, politics and philosophy, hiking and history, culture and creativity all go into defending the desert. Be forewarned: We are out to recruit you to the cause.

Join Chris Clarke and a variety of guests as they explore the challenges and opportunities of the American Southwest's fragile ecosystems. Engaging interviews with experts, activists, and advocates on conservation, land management, and environmental justice. Science and sentiment, politics and philosophy, hiking and history, culture and creativity all go into defending the desert. Be forewarned: We are out to recruit you to the cause.

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90 Miles from Needles: the Desert Protection Podcast

It's not a real desert hike unless you get thirsty. Unless your skin gets punctured by an innocent-looking plant. Unless you have a close encounter with a nervous venomous critter. The desert is alive, and it will defend itself. And we will help. 90 Miles From Needles brings you stories from far out in the American outback: a land unlike any other that is both intense and subtle, that has endured for eons in the harshest conditions imaginable but which could go away in a heartbeat if we act the wrong way. Science, politics, hiking and history, culture and creativity all go into defending the desert. Be forewarned: We are out to recruit you to the cause.

It's not a real desert hike unless you get thirsty. Unless your skin gets punctured by an innocent-looking plant. Unless you have a close encounter with a nervous venomous critter. The desert is alive, and it will defend itself. And we will help. 90 Miles From Needles brings you stories from far out in the American outback: a land unlike any other that is both intense and subtle, that has endured for eons in the harshest conditions imaginable but which could go away in a heartbeat if we act the wrong way. Science, politics, hiking and history, culture and creativity all go into defending the desert. Be forewarned: We are out to recruit you to the cause.

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Join host Chris Clarke and guests as they explore the challenges and opportunities of the American Southwest's fragile ecosystems. Engaging interviews with experts, activists, and advocates on conservation, land management, and environmental justice.

Join host Chris Clarke and guests as they explore the challenges and opportunities of the American Southwest's fragile ecosystems. Engaging interviews with experts, activists, and advocates on conservation, land management, and environmental justice.

When we lose parts of the desert, we need ways to keep going.

S2E13: Dealing With Loss

In this thought-provoking episode of "90 Miles from Needles, the Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke embarks on a journey to unpack the concept of desertification and its implications for environmental policy. Engaging listeners with tales of ecological history and colonial narratives, Chris explores the intersection of science, politics, and public perception in shaping how we view and treat deserts. Through an insightful discussion backed by the work of geographer Diana K. Davis, he urges a rethinking of what constitutes land degradation and calls for a more nuanced understanding that respects the intrinsic value of dry lands.

Chris challenges the prevailing notion that desertification equates to ecological failure and provides a critical examination of how historical and colonial assumptions have influenced modern conservation efforts. He highlights the importance of recognizing deserts as dynamic ecosystems shaped by natural processes and human impact. This episode is an eye-opener for those interested in land use policy, environmental advocacy, and the intricate relationship between culture and ecology.

Key Takeaways:


Desertification Misconceptions: Reframing desertification as land degradation challenges the stereotype of deserts as barren wastelands.


Historical Context: The colonial roots of desertification persist, influencing how we address ecological challenges today.


Policy Implications: Misnaming ecological processes can lead to ineffective conservation measures and exacerbate environmental issues.


Respect for Deserts: Deserts require a holistic approach that values their ecological role and indigenous knowledge.


Call to Action: June 17 could be a day to reimagine our relationship with deserts, focusing on protection rather than remediation.

Notable Quotes:


"Deserts aren't mistakes. They're not broken landscapes. They're ancient living systems shaped by scarcity and timing and restraint."


"When you misname the problem, you reach for the wrong tools. And sometimes... those tools make things worse."


"Deserts need us to listen to people who've lived with aridity for generations."


"The story matters because your choice of story determines the solutions that are available to you."


"Land can be damaged in dry places, but deserts themselves are not damage."

Resources:


Diana K. Davis' Works: Heavily referenced throughout the episode, particularly her book "The Arid Lands."


Book Recommendation: "All the Wild and Lonely Places" by Larry Hogue.


Podcast Website:90 Miles from Needles


Donation Link:Donate to the Podcast

 

In this thought-provoking episode of "90 Miles from Needles, the Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke embarks on a journey to unpack the concept of desertification and its implications for environmental policy. Engaging listeners with tales of ecological history and colonial narratives, Chris explores the intersection of science, politics, and public perception in shaping how we view and treat deserts. Through an insightful discussion backed by the work of geographer Diana K. Davis, he urges a rethinking of what constitutes land degradation and calls for a more nuanced understanding that respects the intrinsic value of dry lands.
Chris challenges the prevailing notion that desertification equates to ecological failure and provides a critical examination of how historical and colonial assumptions have influenced modern conservation efforts. He highlights the importance of recognizing deserts as dynamic ecosystems shaped by natural processes and human impact. This episode is an eye-opener for those interested in land use policy, environmental advocacy, and the intricate relationship between culture and ecology.
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li>
Desertification Misconceptions: Reframing desertification as land degradation challenges the stereotype of deserts as barren wastelands.
</li>
<li>
Historical Context: The colonial roots of desertification persist, influencing how we address ecological challenges today.
</li>
<li>
Policy Implications: Misnaming ecological processes can lead to ineffective conservation measures and exacerbate environmental issues.
</li>
<li>
Respect for Deserts: Deserts require a holistic approach that values their ecological role and indigenous knowledge.
</li>
<li>
Call to Action: June 17 could be a day to reimagine our relationship with deserts, focusing on protection rather than remediation.
</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ul>
<li>
"Deserts aren't mistakes. They're not broken landscapes. They're ancient living systems shaped by scarcity and timing and restraint."
</li>
<li>
"When you misname the problem, you reach for the wrong tools. And sometimes... those tools make things worse."
</li>
<li>
"Deserts need us to listen to people who've lived with aridity for generations."
</li>
<li>
"The story matters because your choice of story determines the solutions that are available to you."
</li>
<li>
"Land can be damaged in dry places, but deserts themselves are not damage."
</li>
</ul>
Resources:
<ul>
<li>
Diana K. Davis' Works: Heavily referenced throughout the episode, particularly her book "<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-arid-lands-history-power-knowledge-diana-k-davis/243d701a3b986b80?ean=9780262333542&amp;amp;next=t">The Arid Lands.</a>"
</li>
<li>
Book Recommendation: "<a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=4yLlXAJoD_QC">All the Wild and Lonely Places</a>" by Larry Hogue.
</li>
<li>
Podcast Website: <a href="https://90milesfromneedles.com">90 Miles from Needles</a>
</li>
<li>
Donation Link: <a href="https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate">Donate to the Podcast</a>
</li>
</ul>
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Chris Clarke examines the concept of desertification and its historical and ideological roots. The episode distinguishes between genuine ecological degradation and the misconception that deserts are inherently damaged landscapes. Highlighting insights from geographer Diana K. Davis, it challenges colonial narratives and emphasizes respecting deserts as vibrant ecosystems. Clarke argues for precise language in addressing environmental issues, advocating for proactive desert conservation. The episode concludes with a call to recognize June 17 as Desert Protection Day.

S4E45: The Desertification Myth: Unpacking the Truth About Dry Lands

Episode Summary:

In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke takes a moment to reflect on the challenges the desert has faced throughout the year. As 2026 looms with potential political upheavals, industrial intrusions, and environmental crises, he underscores the fragility and beauty of the North American deserts. Chris discusses the concept of desert quiet, a theme reflecting not only the absence of noise but the presence of life, and how human impact slowly erodes this natural soundscape.

The show examines the consequences of noise pollution, highlighting the invisible wounds inflicted on the desert soundscape by human activities. Chris emphasizes the critical importance of listening to and preserving the desert's unique quiet and sound ecology. He shines a light on efforts by various advocates to protect these ecosystems and urges for increased support for the podcast to continue this vital work. As external pressures mount, the episode appeals to listeners and potential donors to contribute to the ongoing fight to conserve the desert, focusing on actionable ways to make a difference.

Key Takeaways:
The desert's soundscape is threatened by human-induced noise pollution, which can drive wildlife away and disrupt ecosystems.
Observing and preserving the desert quiet is essential for maintaining the region's ecological health and vitality.
Increasing public awareness and support is needed to preserve the desert’s unique ecosystems and prevent corporate exploitation.
Contributions and engagement from listeners are crucial for continuing the podcast’s mission to protect the desert.

Notable Quotes:
"The desert has always been quiet, but I've been hearing a different kind of quiet."
"We're living in a desert that is depauperate of the creatures that formed it."
"Noise is one of the least recognized forms of pollution we create, and we create a lot of it."
"When I stand in the stillness now, I listen for ghosts. Echoes of wings, vanished choruses, voices the desert used to carry."
"If we want to keep the ones that remain or restore the ones that we still can restore, the first thing we have to do is listen."

Resources:
Visit our website: 90 Miles from Needles
Support the podcast: Donate Page
Follow on social media: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Signal: hey90mfn.67

Listeners are encouraged to dive into the full episode for an engaging discussion on the importance of preserving desert environments and how we can all contribute to their protection. Stay tuned for more insightful episodes as the Desert Advocate Media Network continues to explore and advocate for these vital landscapes.

 

Episode Summary:
In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke takes a moment to reflect on the challenges the desert has faced throughout the year. As 2026 looms with potential political upheavals, industrial intrusions, and environmental crises, he underscores the fragility and beauty of the North American deserts. Chris discusses the concept of desert quiet, a theme reflecting not only the absence of noise but the presence of life, and how human impact slowly erodes this natural soundscape.
The show examines the consequences of noise pollution, highlighting the invisible wounds inflicted on the desert soundscape by human activities. Chris emphasizes the critical importance of listening to and preserving the desert's unique quiet and sound ecology. He shines a light on efforts by various advocates to protect these ecosystems and urges for increased support for the podcast to continue this vital work. As external pressures mount, the episode appeals to listeners and potential donors to contribute to the ongoing fight to conserve the desert, focusing on actionable ways to make a difference.
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li>The desert's soundscape is threatened by human-induced noise pollution, which can drive wildlife away and disrupt ecosystems.</li>
<li>Observing and preserving the desert quiet is essential for maintaining the region's ecological health and vitality.</li>
<li>Increasing public awareness and support is needed to preserve the desert&rsquo;s unique ecosystems and prevent corporate exploitation.</li>
<li>Contributions and engagement from listeners are crucial for continuing the podcast&rsquo;s mission to protect the desert.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ol>
<li>"The desert has always been quiet, but I've been hearing a different kind of quiet."</li>
<li>"We're living in a desert that is depauperate of the creatures that formed it."</li>
<li>"Noise is one of the least recognized forms of pollution we create, and we create a lot of it."</li>
<li>"When I stand in the stillness now, I listen for ghosts. Echoes of wings, vanished choruses, voices the desert used to carry."</li>
<li>"If we want to keep the ones that remain or restore the ones that we still can restore, the first thing we have to do is listen."</li>
</ol>
Resources:
<ul>
<li>Visit our website: <a href="http://90milesfromneedles.com/">90 Miles from Needles</a></li>
<li>Support the podcast: <a href="http://90milesfromneedles.com/donate">Donate Page</a></li>
<li>Follow on social media: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/90milesfromneedles.com">Bluesky</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ninetymilesfromneedles/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/90mifromneedles/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.threads.com/@90mifromneedles">Threads</a>, Signal: hey90mfn.67</li>
</ul>
Listeners are encouraged to dive into the full episode for an engaging discussion on the importance of preserving desert environments and how we can all contribute to their protection. Stay tuned for more insightful episodes as the Desert Advocate Media Network continues to explore and advocate for these vital landscapes.
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Reflecting on the erosion of environmental laws, rampant industrial proposals, and the clash between ideology and science, this episode urges careful listening to the desert's fading voices. As the podcast enters its fifth year, Clarke calls for community support to continue reporting on these vital issues, featuring voices like wildlife biologists and grassroots organizers who are championing desert protection.

S4E44: Why the Desert's Sounds Matter More Than Ever

In this episode of the 90 Miles from Needles podcast, host Chris Clarke embarks on a detailed discussion with John Dougherty, Executive Director of Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association, about the invasive copper mining initiatives threatening Arizona's sacred lands. Set against the backdrop of legal and environmental challenges, the conversation highlights the destructive potential of projects like the Copper World mine. With vibrant descriptions of Arizona's natural beauty juxtaposed with the stark reality of its exploitation for minerals, this episode paints an urgent call to action.

Dougherty describes the controversial Copper World project, an expansion of the thwarted Rosemont Mine, spotlighting its predicted impact on local wildlife, sacred sites, and critical water resources. He explains the looming threats posed by massive open-pit mining and groundwater depletion. The discussion underscores the inadequacies and exploitation enabled by the General Mining Act of 1872, which allows mining companies to extract resources with minimal compensation to the public. Through strategic litigation efforts and community activism, Save the Scenic Santa Ritas aims to address and potentially halt these harmful mining activities.

Key Takeaways:


Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association is actively opposing the Copper World mine to prevent environmental and cultural devastation in the Santa Rita Mountains.


The Copper World project threatens sacred indigenous lands and critical water resources in Arizona, fostering ecological and community concerns.


Arizona's legal framework, based on the General Mining Act of 1872, is scrutinized for its outdated policies favoring mining corporations without adequate environmental oversight or economic benefit to the community.


The podcast underscores the importance of local and political action to combat environmental degradation and protect public lands from corporate exploitation.


Dougherty advocates for grassroots support and encourages listeners to engage with local governance to enact restrictive policies on destructive mining activities.

Notable Quotes:


"If space aliens arrived with an orbital death ray and erased a valley in just this fashion, the nations of the world would go to war."


"The damage doesn't just stop when the mining stops, the damage continues on forever."


"The Ray Mine isn't the largest open pit copper mine in the state, but...it was about as stark and unexpected as I had ever seen."


"This copper is going overseas...the company admits in its financial filings that the first four or five years will all be exported."

Resources:


Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association: Website


Contact Information for Arizona Government Officials: Reach out to Arizona's Governor Katie Hobbs at engage@az.gov  and State Attorney General Kris Mays (https://www.azag.gov/to advocate for changes in mining regulation policies to protect Arizona's lands.

In this episode of the 90 Miles from Needles podcast, host Chris Clarke embarks on a detailed discussion with John Dougherty, Executive Director of Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association, about the invasive copper mining initiatives threatening Arizona's sacred lands. Set against the backdrop of legal and environmental challenges, the conversation highlights the destructive potential of projects like the Copper World mine. With vibrant descriptions of Arizona's natural beauty juxtaposed with the stark reality of its exploitation for minerals, this episode paints an urgent call to action.
Dougherty describes the controversial Copper World project, an expansion of the thwarted Rosemont Mine, spotlighting its predicted impact on local wildlife, sacred sites, and critical water resources. He explains the looming threats posed by massive open-pit mining and groundwater depletion. The discussion underscores the inadequacies and exploitation enabled by the General Mining Act of 1872, which allows mining companies to extract resources with minimal compensation to the public. Through strategic litigation efforts and community activism, Save the Scenic Santa Ritas aims to address and potentially halt these harmful mining activities.
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li>
Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association is actively opposing the Copper World mine to prevent environmental and cultural devastation in the Santa Rita Mountains.
</li>
<li>
The Copper World project threatens sacred indigenous lands and critical water resources in Arizona, fostering ecological and community concerns.
</li>
<li>
Arizona's legal framework, based on the General Mining Act of 1872, is scrutinized for its outdated policies favoring mining corporations without adequate environmental oversight or economic benefit to the community.
</li>
<li>
The podcast underscores the importance of local and political action to combat environmental degradation and protect public lands from corporate exploitation.
</li>
<li>
Dougherty advocates for grassroots support and encourages listeners to engage with local governance to enact restrictive policies on destructive mining activities.
</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ul>
<li>
"If space aliens arrived with an orbital death ray and erased a valley in just this fashion, the nations of the world would go to war."
</li>
<li>
"The damage doesn't just stop when the mining stops, the damage continues on forever."
</li>
<li>
"The Ray Mine isn't the largest open pit copper mine in the state, but...it was about as stark and unexpected as I had ever seen."
</li>
<li>
"This copper is going overseas...the company admits in its financial filings that the first four or five years will all be exported."
</li>
</ul>
Resources:
<ul>
<li>
Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association: <a href="https://scenicsantaritas.org/">Website</a>
</li>
<li>
Contact Information for Arizona Government Officials: Reach out to Arizona's Governor Katie Hobbs at <a href="mailto:engage@az.gov">engage@az.gov</a>&nbsp; and State Attorney General Kris Mays (https://www.azag.gov/to advocate for changes in mining regulation policies to protect Arizona's lands.
</li>
</ul>

Chris explores the environmental impact of copper mining in Arizona, focusing on the controversial Copper World project in the Santa Rita Mountains. Chris interviews John Dougherty, Executive Director of Save the Scenic Santa Ritas, discussing the ecological destruction, water issues, and community opposition surrounding this and other mining projects. With insights into the General Mining Act of 1872 and potential regulatory rollbacks, this episode delves into the critical intersection of industry, environmental protection, and community advocacy in the American Southwest.

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