Asked about a pivotal moment in his career, former AFL star Chris Judd is quick to respond: don’t do what everyone else is doing.

“[The pivotal moment] was taking complete control over my fitness program,” says Judd.

In business, Judd, who is the founder and portfolio manager of Cerutty Macro Fund, a concentrated equities fund that invests primarily in smaller companies, applied the same rule – and it changed the course of his career.

On this week's episode, BOSS editor Sally Patten finds out how the former West Coast Eagles captain secured a premiership, two Brownlow Medals and is now tackling the world of small caps.

This podcast was sponsored by Aussie Broadband.

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One of the greatest to play Aussie rules, Judd has kicked off a second career in fund management buying ASX small-cap stocks. 

‘The phone stopped ringing’: How retirement shock hit this Olympian

In 2016, former Opals star player and Olympic medallist Lauren Jackson was forced to retire. Since then, her life has taken several turns.

Asked about a pivotal moment in his career, former AFL star Chris Judd is quick to respond: don&rsquo;t do what everyone else is doing.
&ldquo;[The pivotal moment] was taking complete control over my fitness program,&rdquo; says Judd.
In business, Judd, who is the founder and portfolio manager of Cerutty Macro Fund, a concentrated equities fund that invests primarily in smaller companies, applied the same rule &ndash; and it changed the course of his career.
On this week's episode, <a href="https://www.afr.com/boss">BOSS</a> editor Sally Patten finds out how the former West Coast Eagles captain secured a premiership, two Brownlow Medals and is now tackling the world of small caps.
This podcast was sponsored by <a href="https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/?utm_source=15-minutes-with-the-boss&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=enterprise">Aussie Broadband</a>.
Further reading:
<a href="https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/afl-great-turned-stockpicker-chris-judd-just-made-20pc-returns-20250722-p5mgwm?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom" data-testid="headlineLink">AFL great turned stockpicker Chris Judd just made 20pc returns</a>
One of the greatest to play Aussie rules, Judd has kicked off a second career in fund management buying ASX small-cap stocks.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/the-phone-stopped-ringing-how-retirement-shock-hit-this-olympian-20260717-p60gcc?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">&lsquo;The phone stopped ringing&rsquo;: How retirement shock hit this Olympian</a>
In 2016, former Opals star player and Olympic medallist Lauren Jackson was forced to retire. Since then, her life has taken several turns.

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Each week AFR BOSS editor Sally Patten sits down with a prominent leader and asks them to share the invaluable advice and wisdom they have accumulated throughout their careers.
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15 Minutes with the Boss is a podcast that gives listeners exclusive access to some of the top CEOs in the country. 

Each week, AFR BOSS editor Sally Patten sits down with a prominent leader and asks them to share the invaluable advice and wisdom they have accumulated throughout their careers.

For stories of success and failure and everything in-between, search and follow 15 Minutes with the Boss. It’s 15 minutes you can’t afford to miss. 

15 Minutes with the Boss is a podcast that gives listeners exclusive access to some of the top CEOs in the country. 
Each week, AFR BOSS editor Sally Patten sits down with a prominent leader and asks them to share the invaluable advice and wisdom they have accumulated throughout their careers.
For stories of success and failure and everything in-between, search and follow 15 Minutes with the Boss. It’s 15 minutes you can’t afford to miss.

Chris Judd’s formula for high performance – on and off the field

"I had everything on the wire, on the line," says Grant Wilckens, remembering when the global financial crisis hit.

The chief executive and founder of G'Day Group had started his holiday parks business in 2004 when Lehman Brothers collapsed.

"It was probably the hardest I've ever worked, the most stressed I've ever been."

On this week's episode, BOSS editor Sally Patten sits down with the former investment banker to find out how he survived the GFC, the lessons it taught him and how it fundamentally changed his business.

This podcast was sponsored by Aussie Broadband.

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"I had everything on the wire, on the line," says Grant Wilckens, remembering when the global financial crisis hit.
The chief executive and founder of G'Day Group had started his holiday parks business in 2004 when Lehman Brothers collapsed.
"It was probably the hardest I've ever worked, the most stressed I've ever been."
On this week's episode, <a href="https://www.afr.com/boss">BOSS</a> editor Sally Patten sits down with the former investment banker to find out how he survived the GFC, the lessons it taught him and how it fundamentally changed his business.
This podcast was sponsored by <a href="https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/?utm_source=15-minutes-with-the-boss&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=enterprise">Aussie Broadband</a>.
Further reading:
<a href="https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/why-the-soaring-cost-of-ai-tokens-might-just-save-your-job-20260724-p60icf?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">The key trait private equity looks for when hiring a CEO</a>
Thomson Reuters president Steve Hasker shares HR tips and why the soaring cost of AI tokens might just save your job.
<a href="https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/fasting-coffee-and-no-chores-a-young-rich-lister-s-success-formula-20260713-p60eso?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">Fasting, coffee and no chores: A Young Rich Lister&rsquo;s success formula</a>
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“I've really changed my relationship with exercise over the past few years”, says Katie Lyndon, the chief executive of Exercise and Sports Science Australia.

The exercise physiologist has made a conscious effort to shift her mindset around workout routines from something she has to do to something she loves.

On this week’s episode, BOSS editor Sally Patten sits down with Lyndon to find out how she designed a workout program that provides physical, mental and professional benefits.

This podcast was sponsored by Aussie Broadband.

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Muscle power helps us perform basic everyday tasks but declines twice as quickly as strength during the ageing process.

&ldquo;I've really changed my relationship with exercise over the past few years&rdquo;, says Katie Lyndon, the chief executive of Exercise and Sports Science Australia.
The exercise physiologist has made a conscious effort to shift her mindset around workout routines from something she has to do to something she loves.
On this week&rsquo;s episode,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.afr.com/boss">BOSS</a> editor Sally Patten sits down with Lyndon to find out how she designed a workout program that provides physical, mental and professional benefits.
This podcast was sponsored by <a href="https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/?utm_source=15-minutes-with-the-boss&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=enterprise">Aussie Broadband</a>.
Further reading:
<a href="https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/inside-ahmed-fahour-s-high-performance-morning-routine-20260413-p5znhl?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">Inside Ahmed Fahour&rsquo;s high-performance morning routine</a>
The chief executive of Gurner Group and former boss of Australia Post says the way he starts his day has been &ldquo;transformational&rdquo;.
<a href="https://www.afr.com/life-and-luxury/health-and-wellness/19-health-habits-doctors-recommend-for-a-longer-life-20260114-p5nu4r?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">Morning sun, and eat your vegies first: 19 habits for a healthier life</a>
Exercise and nutrition are vital, but which specific habits offer the greatest bang for buck? Five doctors and a physiologist share their top longevity secrets.
<a href="https://www.afr.com/life-and-luxury/health-and-wellness/the-20-minute-power-fix-missing-from-midlife-workouts-20260716-p60fs7?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">The 20-minute &lsquo;power&rsquo; fix missing from midlife workouts</a>
Muscle power helps us perform basic everyday tasks but declines twice as quickly as strength during the ageing process.

How an exercise physiologist designed her ideal workout routine

The president and CEO of Thomson Reuters says the company has had "bill shock this year in the tens of millions of US dollars over and above our budget”.

And while Steve Hasker maintains the global technology and information firm, which is valued at $US40 billion ($57 billion), is disciplined financially, the costs are rising.

This week, BOSS editor Sally Patten sits down with Hasker to find out how the company is navigating these technological advancements and the benefits of making career mistakes.

This podcast was sponsored by the City of Parramatta.

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The president and CEO of Thomson Reuters says the company has had "bill shock this year in the tens of millions of US dollars over and above our budget&rdquo;.
And while Steve Hasker maintains the global technology and information firm, which is valued at $US40 billion ($57 billion), is disciplined financially, the costs are rising.
This week,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.afr.com/boss">BOSS</a> editor Sally Patten sits down with Hasker to find out how the company is navigating these technological advancements and the benefits of making career mistakes.
This podcast was sponsored by the <a href="https://atparramatta.com/business/global-city?utm_source=australian-financial-review-&amp;utm_medium=display&amp;utm_campaign=global-city">City of Parramatta</a>.
Further reading:
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<a href="https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/use-of-ai-tech-stacks-driving-demand-for-lawyers-20251130-p5njjt?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom">Five CEOs reveal the best piece of career advice they&rsquo;ve ever received</a>
The start of a new year is an opportunity to set fresh goals, create new routines and map out work objectives. Five business leaders share their morning routines and tips for getting ahead.
<a href="https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/use-of-ai-tech-stacks-driving-demand-for-lawyers-20251130-p5njjt?utm_source=omny&amp;utm_medium=podcast_notes&amp;utm_campaign=15_minutes_with_the_boss&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_term=newsroom" data-testid="headlineLink">Use of AI &lsquo;tech stacks&rsquo; driving demand for lawyers</a>
The more artificial intelligence is used within a law firm, the more professionals are needed to vet the technology&rsquo;s outputs.

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