Societal collapses happen more often than you think, and there’s much we can learn from the past to avoid or, at least, delay another one.

This week’s guest on Zero is Luke Kemp, author of Goliath's Curse, which draws lessons from the rise and fall of societies over 5,000 years of human history. Akshat Rathi asks Luke whether our current moment — with climate change and AI — makes us uniquely vulnerable to societal collapse or more resilient than we might think.

Explore further:

• Luke’s book, Goliath’s Curse 
• The MOROS database 

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