There comes a point on Tradwife TikTok when the fantasy turns dark. The soft linen, the homemade bread and the children who never cry give way to something else: subservient wives, the manosphere, and a fight over who's allowed to be angry. 

Caro Claire Burke went looking, and wrote Yesteryear, the runaway-hit novel about an American tradwife influencer who wakes up in the brutal 1850s. This week, Marie Claire deputy editor Mel Gaudron interviews Caro about the book all your friends are arguing about. 

They cover why "tradwife" was a term invented by incels to describe a woman who doesn't exist, why culture adores unlikable men but punishes unlikable women, the Anne Hathaway film adaptation with Amazon MGM (Hathaway is set to play Natalie), writing about motherhood while seven months pregnant, and Caro's rallying cry: women disagreeing isn't catty and it isn't a failure. It might be exactly where we should be heading. 

Plus, editor Georgie McCourt on the country-life fantasy that gave her two miniature donkeys. 

Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke is out now. Go deeper at https://www.marieclaire.com.au. 

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There comes a point on Tradwife TikTok when the fantasy turns dark. The soft linen, the homemade bread and the children who never cry give way to something else: subservient wives, the manosphere, and a fight over who's allowed to be angry.&nbsp;
Caro Claire Burke went looking, and wrote Yesteryear, the runaway-hit novel about an American tradwife influencer who wakes up in the brutal 1850s. This week, Marie Claire deputy editor Mel Gaudron interviews Caro about the book all your friends are arguing about.&nbsp;
They cover why "tradwife" was a term invented by incels to describe a woman who doesn't exist, why culture adores unlikable men but punishes unlikable women, the Anne Hathaway film adaptation with Amazon MGM (Hathaway is set to play Natalie), writing about motherhood while seven months pregnant, and Caro's rallying cry: women disagreeing isn't catty and it isn't a failure. It might be exactly where we should be heading.&nbsp;
Plus, editor Georgie McCourt on the country-life fantasy that gave her two miniature donkeys.&nbsp;
Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke is out now. Go deeper at <a href="https://www.marieclaire.com.au/">https://www.marieclaire.com.au</a>.&nbsp;
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You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a Marie Claire podcast, produced by Are Media.&nbsp;
Guest host: Mel Gaudron
Marie Claire Editor-in-chief: Georgie McCourt
Supervising Producer: Leah Porges
Head of Vodcasts: Rachel Fountain
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Who’s on your celebrity fantasy dinner party list? Marie Claire have got access to the biggest celebrities and fascinating favourite people you love.  With unique pairings, the type of conversations where fun and frankness is always in style. Trust us…you’re gonna want to hear this! 

Who&rsquo;s on your celebrity fantasy dinner party list? Marie Claire have got access to the biggest celebrities and fascinating favourite people you love. &nbsp;With unique pairings, the type of conversations where fun and frankness is always in style. Trust us&hellip;you&rsquo;re gonna want to hear this!&nbsp;

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There comes a point on Tradwife TikTok when the fantasy turns dark. The soft linen, the homemade bread and the children who never cry give way to something else: subservient wives, the manosphere, and a fight over who's allowed to be angry. 

Caro Claire Burke: The Tradwife Fantasy, Explained

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/fa326977-3de5-4283-9b8b-af3500c58607/clips/1ec28108-62c1-43d8-ae94-b47a008e1845/transcript

Continuing from part one, Marie Claire editor Georgie McCourt talks to designer Bianca Spender about how she protects her creative energy while running an 18-year-old Australian luxury label: splitting her days into “creative time” and “business time,” and why her most productive hours are between 5pm and 2am, once the emails stop. 

Bianca describes the Bianca Spender aesthetic in her own words: clothes built around freedom and movement, designed to make women feel completely themselves, or better yet, want to dance. She also shares why she kept two skin cancer diagnoses private for years, and why launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign felt like the right moment to speak about it publicly, including how two separate conversations with friends led her to catch both cancers early. 

In the second half of this episode, Bianca reflects on some of the most defining moments of her life: the sudden and very public loss of her mother, and the loss of her father eighteen months later. She talks about the advice on grief that has stayed with her since: “it never leaves, it just visits less frequently,” and how grief reshaped her sense of courage and self-forgiveness. She closes with how she protects her time through boundaries with technology, her “swimming epiphanies,” and a final message for anyone listening: trust yourself. 

This episode covers: 
Protecting her creative energy by separating “creative days” from “business days” 
Why her most creative hours are 5pm to 2am, once the world switches off 
The Bianca Spender aesthetic: designing clothes meant to free the body and “make you dance” 
Going public with two skin cancer diagnoses after years of privacy 
Launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign 
Navigating the sudden, very public loss of her mother 
Living with grief as an ongoing companion: “it never leaves, it just visits less frequently” 
Finding courage and self-forgiveness in the wake of loss 
Protecting her time with boundaries around technology 
Her “swimming epiphanies” and other ways she switches off 
A closing message to trust yourself 

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Continuing from part one, Marie Claire editor Georgie McCourt talks to designer Bianca Spender about how she protects her creative energy while running an 18-year-old Australian luxury label: splitting her days into &ldquo;creative time&rdquo; and &ldquo;business time,&rdquo; and why her most productive hours are between 5pm and 2am, once the emails stop.&nbsp;
Bianca describes the Bianca Spender aesthetic in her own words: clothes built around freedom and movement, designed to make women feel completely themselves, or better yet, want to dance. She also shares why she kept two skin cancer diagnoses private for years, and why launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign felt like the right moment to speak about it publicly, including how two separate conversations with friends led her to catch both cancers early.&nbsp;
In the second half of this episode, Bianca reflects on some of the most defining moments of her life: the sudden and very public loss of her mother, and the loss of her father eighteen months later. She talks about the advice on grief that has stayed with her since: &ldquo;it never leaves, it just visits less frequently,&rdquo; and how grief reshaped her sense of courage and self-forgiveness. She closes with how she protects her time through boundaries with technology, her &ldquo;swimming epiphanies,&rdquo; and a final message for anyone listening: trust yourself.&nbsp;
This episode covers:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="10" data-aria-level="1">Protecting her creative energy by separating &ldquo;creative days&rdquo; from &ldquo;business days&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="11" data-aria-level="1">Why her most creative hours are 5pm to 2am, once the world switches off&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="12" data-aria-level="1">The Bianca Spender aesthetic: designing clothes meant to free the body and &ldquo;make you dance&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="13" data-aria-level="1">Going public with two skin cancer diagnoses after years of privacy&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="14" data-aria-level="1">Launching her first swimwear collection and sun care campaign&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="15" data-aria-level="1">Navigating the sudden, very public loss of her mother&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="16" data-aria-level="1">Living with grief as an ongoing companion: &ldquo;it never leaves, it just visits less frequently&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="17" data-aria-level="1">Finding courage and self-forgiveness in the wake of loss&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="18" data-aria-level="1">Protecting her time with boundaries around technology&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="19" data-aria-level="1">Her &ldquo;swimming epiphanies&rdquo; and other ways she switches off&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="20" data-aria-level="1">A closing message to trust yourself&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
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Designer Bianca Spender on the sudden loss of her mother, Carla Zampatti, two skin cancer diagnoses, and what she's learned about living with grief. Part two of two. 

Bianca Spender on Losing Carla Zampatti and Living With Grief: PART 2

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/fa326977-3de5-4283-9b8b-af3500c58607/clips/33f34d71-5fba-49b9-8956-b48f0060d99a/transcript

What does it take to earn your place in one of Australia's most famous fashion families? 

This is part one of a two-part conversation. Marie Claire editor Georgie McCourt sits down with designer Bianca Spender to talk about growing up as the daughter of fashion icon Carla Zampatti. Bianca takes us back to her childhood: sharing a bedroom with her sister, now-federal MP Allegra Spender, the strip of masking tape that kept the peace between them, and discovering, decades later, that dyslexia ran through three generations of her family. 

She reflects on the lessons learned at the “School of Mum”: working in the family business from age nine, learning to say yes to everything, and what she only came to understand about her mother's leadership after becoming a parent and business owner herself. Bianca is candid about mum guilt, treating the business as her “first child,” and the four years she spent working in Paris, deliberately choosing a place where nobody knew her mother's name, so she could prove her own worth. 

She also opens up about the strict terms under which she finally joined the family label: one season, three months, twenty pieces, and an agreement that she would leave if the collection failed to sell. It's the story of how “the market decides” became the clearest and kindest way for Bianca to earn her own place, separate from her mother's approval, and how that same conviction led her to launch her namesake label. 

Part two continues the conversation with Bianca's creative process, her aesthetic, two skin cancer diagnoses, the loss of her mother, and what she's learned about living with grief - it's live right now in your podcast app!

This episode covers: 
Sharing a room with her sister, now-federal MP Allegra Spender, and the masking tape down the middle 
Discovering dyslexia ran through three generations of her family 
Working in the family business from age nine instead of watching TV 
What she only understood about her mother after becoming a parent herself 
Wrestling with mum guilt, and treating the business as her “first child” 
Moving to Paris for four years to prove her worth entirely outside her mother's name 
Earning her place in the family label through a strict “market decides” trial 
The moment her own namesake label found its own space 
Finding the confidence to trust her own aesthetic, even when it meant disagreeing with her mother 

 

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Credits:   

Host Georgie McCourt   

Edited by Helen Smith 

Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain 

With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire  

You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media. 

What does it take to earn your place in one of Australia's most famous fashion families?&nbsp;
This is part one of a two-part conversation. Marie Claire editor Georgie McCourt sits down with designer Bianca Spender to talk about growing up as the daughter of fashion icon Carla Zampatti. Bianca takes us back to her childhood: sharing a bedroom with her sister, now-federal MP Allegra Spender, the strip of masking tape that kept the peace between them, and discovering, decades later, that dyslexia ran through three generations of her family.&nbsp;
She reflects on the lessons learned at the &ldquo;School of Mum&rdquo;: working in the family business from age nine, learning to say yes to everything, and what she only came to understand about her mother's leadership after becoming a parent and business owner herself. Bianca is candid about mum guilt, treating the business as her &ldquo;first child,&rdquo; and the four years she spent working in Paris, deliberately choosing a place where nobody knew her mother's name, so she could prove her own worth.&nbsp;
She also opens up about the strict terms under which she finally joined the family label: one season, three months, twenty pieces, and an agreement that she would leave if the collection failed to sell. It's the story of how &ldquo;the market decides&rdquo; became the clearest and kindest way for Bianca to earn her own place, separate from her mother's approval, and how that same conviction led her to launch her namesake label.&nbsp;
Part two continues the conversation with Bianca's creative process, her aesthetic, two skin cancer diagnoses, the loss of her mother, and what she's learned about living with grief - it's live right now in your podcast app!
This episode covers:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Sharing a room with her sister, now-federal MP Allegra Spender, and the masking tape down the middle&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1">Discovering dyslexia ran through three generations of her family&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1">Working in the family business from age nine instead of watching TV&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="4" data-aria-level="1">What she only understood about her mother after becoming a parent herself&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="5" data-aria-level="1">Wrestling with mum guilt, and treating the business as her &ldquo;first child&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="6" data-aria-level="1">Moving to Paris for four years to prove her worth entirely outside her mother's name&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="7" data-aria-level="1">Earning her place in the family label through a strict &ldquo;market decides&rdquo; trial&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="8" data-aria-level="1">The moment her own namesake label found its own space&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="&bull;" data-font="" data-listid="2" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559685&quot;:360,&quot;335559991&quot;:260,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&bull;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" data-aria-posinset="9" data-aria-level="1">Finding the confidence to trust her own aesthetic, even when it meant disagreeing with her mother&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
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Designer Bianca Spender on growing up as Carla Zampatti's daughter, discovering she was dyslexic, and the years in Paris that helped her earn her own place. Part one of two. 

Bianca Spender on Growing Up as Carla Zampatti's Daughter: PART 1

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What happens after the worst day of your life? 

This week on You're Gonna Want To Hear This, Marie Claire Australia editor Georgie McCourt speaks with bestselling Australian author Hannah Richell, whose powerful new memoir, An Ocean and a Day, revisits the sudden death of her husband, Matt Richell, and the journey that followed. After years of writing acclaimed novels, Hannah is telling her own story for the first time. 

In 2014, Matt drowned in a surfing accident at Sydney's Tamarama Beach, leaving Hannah widowed with two young children. For years, she focused on raising her family, continuing her writing career, and rebuilding a life that had been shattered. But privately, she was also documenting the reality of grief as she lived it. 

Now, twelve years later, those pages have become An Ocean and a Day. In this deeply personal conversation, Hannah shares why she waited so long to write this memoir, what it was like to revisit the darkest chapter of her life, and how she's learned that moving forward doesn't mean leaving grief (or love) behind. 

If you or someone you know needs immediate assistance, call 000. For confidential 24/7 crisis support, contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit lifeline.org.au. Support is also available through Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636 or at beyondblue.org.au. 

This episode covers:
The moment two police officers arrived at Hannah's door to tell her Matt had died in a surfing accident
Breaking the news to her young children and the hardest day of her life
Writing her first pages of grief just seven days after Matt's death
Falling in love with Matt after he "stole" her job in London, in the shadow of 9/11
The isolating, shame-tinged early days of widowhood and single parenthood
Living with unbearable yearning and rebuilding a sense of normalcy for her kids
Returning to Tamarama Beach to piece together what happened, and meeting the fisherman who witnessed it
The freak accident that took Matt's life, explained in full
What her children have taught her about grief, laughter, and resilience
Leaving their Sydney home two years on, and her son's words while scattering Matt's ashes: "Daddy, be free"
Navigating loneliness, dating, and desire again after loss
Finding new love and remarrying, and blending two families
Her reflections on acceptance, carrying grief as an honor, and the message she hopes readers take from her memoir: love stays, even after loss

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Credits:   

Host Georgie McCourt   

Edited by Helen Smith 

Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain 

With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire  

You're Gonna Want to Hear This is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media. 

What happens after the worst day of your life?&nbsp;
This week on You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want&nbsp;To&nbsp;Hear This, Marie Claire Australia editor Georgie McCourt speaks with bestselling Australian author Hannah Richell, whose powerful new memoir, An Ocean and a Day, revisits the sudden death of her husband, Matt Richell, and the&nbsp;journey that followed. After years of&nbsp;writing&nbsp;acclaimed novels, Hannah is telling her own story for the first time.&nbsp;
In 2014, Matt drowned in a surfing accident at Sydney's&nbsp;Tamarama&nbsp;Beach, leaving Hannah widowed with two young children. For years, she focused on raising her family, continuing her writing career, and rebuilding a life that had been shattered. But privately, she was also documenting the reality of grief as she&nbsp;lived&nbsp;it.&nbsp;
Now, twelve&nbsp;years later, those pages have become&nbsp;An Ocean&nbsp;and&nbsp;a Day. In this deeply personal conversation, Hannah shares why she waited so long to write this memoir, what it was like to revisit the darkest chapter of her life, and how&nbsp;she's&nbsp;learned that moving forward&nbsp;doesn't&nbsp;mean leaving grief&nbsp;(or love)&nbsp;behind.&nbsp;
If&nbsp;you or someone you know needs immediate assistance, call 000.&nbsp;For confidential 24/7 crisis support, contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit lifeline.org.au. Support is also available through Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636 or at beyondblue.org.au.&nbsp;
This episode covers:
<ul>
<li>The moment two police officers arrived at Hannah's door to tell her Matt had died in a surfing accident</li>
<li>Breaking the news to her young children and the hardest day of her life</li>
<li>Writing her first pages of grief just seven days after Matt's death</li>
<li>Falling in love with Matt after he "stole" her job in London, in the shadow of 9/11</li>
<li>The isolating, shame-tinged early days of widowhood and single parenthood</li>
<li>Living with unbearable yearning and rebuilding a sense of normalcy for her kids</li>
<li>Returning to Tamarama Beach to piece together what happened, and meeting the fisherman who witnessed it</li>
<li>The freak accident that took Matt's life, explained in full</li>
<li>What her children have taught her about grief, laughter, and resilience</li>
<li>Leaving their Sydney home two years on, and her son's words while scattering Matt's ashes: "Daddy, be free"</li>
<li>Navigating loneliness, dating, and desire again after loss</li>
<li>Finding new love and remarrying, and blending two families</li>
<li>Her reflections on acceptance, carrying grief as an honor, and the message she hopes readers take from her memoir: love stays, even after loss</li>
</ul>
Stay up to date with Marie Claire Australia on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/marieclaireau">Instagram</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
🎧 Listen to&nbsp;You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want to Hear This and follow us on&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this/id1849312864">Apple Podcasts</a>&nbsp;or&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2Vsxq2nZIMJLnywOXfuxqZ?si=bb7ec5eac4184752">Spotify</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
👀 Watch and subscribe to You're&nbsp;Gonna&nbsp;Want to Hear This on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/marieclaire">YouTube</a> 📺 for full episodes and clips.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Credits:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Host&nbsp;Georgie McCourt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Edited by&nbsp;Helen Smith&nbsp;
Head of Vodcasting Rachel Fountain&nbsp;
With thanks to our amazing team at Marie Claire&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.marieclaire.com.au/life/youre-gonna-want-to-hear-this-podcast/">You're Gonna Want to Hear This</a>&nbsp;is a production of Marie Claire and Are Media.&nbsp;

Bestselling author Hannah Richell joins You're Gonna Want To Hear This to discuss her first memoir, An Ocean and a Day, written over a decade after the sudden death of her husband, Matt Richell. Hannah reflects on grief, motherhood, rebuilding her life, and why she finally felt ready to tell her own story after years of writing fiction. 

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