Yadariselt hates pigeons. She hates their feathers, their beaks, and most importantly she hates their unpredictability. As a New York native, however, they’re hard to avoid. But how dangerous are they really?

On this episode of Your Weirdest Fears, host Larry Mullins sits down with phobia expert Christopher Paul Jones. Throughout the years he’s cured people of arachnophobia, claustrophobia, and even ornithophobia which fear of pigeons falls under. Chris helps Larry understand how common the fear is, and explains whether or not these birds are anything more than NYC’s natural nuisances.

Learn more about Christopher Paul Jones and his work here.

Producers: Jill Webb and Dempsey Pillot

Audio Engineer: Anddy Egan-Thorpe

Managing Producer of Podcasts: Femi Redwood 

If you have a weird fear you’d like to share, submit it to YourWeirdestFears@audacy.com for a chance to be on the show!