Today we break down the difference between beauty therapists, cosmetic doctors, injectable nurses (and the many, many other beauty professions) to find out just who you should be letting touch your face.
Plus Leigh knows precisely the right time to be putting our morning serums on.
And Kelly might be ready to jump ship from her beloved contour?
LINKS TO EVERYTHING MENTIONED:
Australis Dewy + Daring Cream Bronzer $15.95
Nudestix Tinted Blur Sculpt Stick $55
Westerman Atelier Face Trace Contour Stick $73
Paula's Choice Skin Perfecting 6% Mandelic Acid + 2% Lactic Acid Liquid Exfoliant $40
The Jojoba Company Daily Glow Exfoliating PHA Tonic $39.95
The Ordinary Lactic Acid 10% + HA $15
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Hosts: Kelly McCarren & Leigh Campbell
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Makeup is My Therapy.
I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.
Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for your Face.
I'm Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly McCarran. It is Monday, and we answer your beauty questions. I couldn't help but wonder ask me anything?
You ask?
Many questions.
Coming up on the show today. Are you missing out by applying your serums too late in the day? And Kelly has a host tac that goes against everything she has ever said.
What but what? First?
Lauren has asked what is the difference between cosmetic dermatologist and beauty therapist? And what's the best way to find a good skin clinic? Reviews are so subjective? Is there something in particular I should be looking for? Services are so expensive and I want to make sure I'm investing wisely.
Thanks in advance, Lauren, Lauren, excellent, excellent question. I wish I knew what you wanted to have done, you know, a little old facial or a facelift, very different. A dermatologist is a doctor, so they have trained for four years to get a doctorate and then specialist training on top of that in dermatology, so generally a six year I think minimum minimum. Yeah, tertiary education. A beauty technician or a beauty therapist can do a bunch of qualifications that are fantastic. Certificate three in beauty services is very popular, at Certificate four in beauty therapy is also very popular.
Can be done at tafe or online at night.
Yes, so very different qualifications, both very valuable. It really comes down to what you want to get done. And then there's cosmetic nurses who are trained in ejectibles but aren't doctor. There's plastic surgeons that do a lot of perhaps filler or more of the invasive lasers. And then you've got your dermatologists. There's cosmetic dermatologists that are more about sort of skin look and beauty, I guess, and then there's the more traditional dermatologists that you're going to for your crisis orse asia, more medical skin problems. So I've heard of a lot of people going to a dermatologist wanting prescription retinol and they're like, oh no, like because They're not just all about anti aging. They're there if you've got a skin cancer or a mole or whatever, or really severe acne. Yes, So it depends on what you want to get done. Word of mouth is the number one best referr for this kind of thing.
So ask in the beauty group what location you're in exactly what you're looking to get done.
Exactly, or your friendship group or you know, the mums at school or whatever it may be. I always like to go somewhere I know are good. I like to check their instagram. However, the therapeutic goods, astration and the A triple see advertising standards have changed a lot in the last few years, and that they can't really show you anything invasive. Basically, the rule is anything that breaks the skin, so any microneddling injectibles, which includes anti wrinkle and filler. So it's hard to see their work in detail because they're not allowed to show it, which I kind of understand because it perpetuates beauty standards, but also it was such a fantastic way to get a really good insight into and it's like what you can still post an AI photo of fake skin and say yes it's my work and we can't post about SPO fifty, but other people can post about tanning accelerants. It's a flawed rule, but it's a tricky one. Also, these places can't advertise pricing or reveal pricing because that is seen as advertising. So that's also a really murky area. As you say, treatments at these kind of place is incredibly expensive and it's scary to say how much is that? Or you get to the end of your treatment and they're like that's nine hundred dollars, you're like, ah. So my advice to you is, if you've got a friend in your friendship group that's quite across this thing, asking the ubuty group or any community group you're in wherever you're from, and it's down to what you want to have done. Maybe it's filer, maybe it's anti wrinkle, maybe it's laser, might be Cosmoland, which is a pretty hectic peal for pigmentation. I don't think you can just go off their qualifications alone. If it's something quite full on, I would try to go to a cosmetic surgeon or a qualified dermatologist. If it's something pretty entry level laser hair and moval for example, make sure they're qualified, but you won't need to see a dermatologist for something like that.
The thing is, I would never go to a dermatologist or a cosmetic surgeon, even if they were the same price, if I wanted.
A high regular facial.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely not.
They wouldn't know what they're doing, they wouldn't even do it.
They wouldn't do it, and they'd just be like poking me. A beauty therapist is so trained in like offering a beautiful service.
Terms are generally problem solvers, whereas a beauty therapist is probably.
Just enhance enhancing.
Such a good point, but yeah, there's widely varying degrees of qualifications, but also skills. Someone might be trained in beauty therapy twenty years ago and what they have learnt on the job in those two decades, since they could be absolutely phenomenal at what they do, like the.
Best in the biers. They might just not have a particular qualification.
But yes, oh you yeah, I'm not going to be go touch on anyone's face, but yeah, you're.
A good example of someone that might not have tertiary qualifications, but you're very good at what you do.
Well. I've just been doing it and listening and learning for so long, so word of mouth. Ask around. They can show you privately before and after. A lot of places will have visual images of whatever you want to have done.
Ask to see their work. Let us know how you.
Go, Lauren, dying to know what you're gonna get done, and let us know how it works out.
Coming up after the break, how to juggle the morning skincare routine with a booby. Paris has centers of voice.
Mess Firstly, thank you so much doing God's work.
I have learnt so much from your beauty. I have a question about my morning routine. So I have a one year old and I'll often wake up early with her, and we'll have breakfast and we'll shower and I'll clean my teeth as soon as I wake up, and I usually wep my face. Then I'm not sure if I should be applying my serums then or if I'm meant to apply them after I have my shower. Will they soak in in that time I'm kind of having breakfast? Or is it better to have the serums on for the whole day?
Oh Paris, I love your voice.
No, So, Paris, you're up a little bit before your barb then you go and have breakfast, and then maybe an hour or so later, you go on shower.
I wouldn't do anything, would you, Absolutely, just after you have a shower. You don't need to apply them first thing in the morning.
No, Yeah, and particularly in the morning for using vitamin C and antioxidants. That's gonna help fight free radicals throughout the day. So the longer it's on your face, the better. Yes, it would have penetrated in the hour and started to do some good stuff, but it's best being on your face all day long. What you could do is I mean you get up or splash your face if you wanted, you could just get one of those sort of affordable hydrating mask and just slap a layer of that on just so you've got something happening.
Depends on how dry you are, if you want to or just don't do your skin can then don't put your face under the water when shower. Yeah, that's true. That's not a bad idea.
I don't know. I just wouldn't bother.
I don't like oftentimes if I'm working from home and say I'm not going to see anyone irl till lunchtime, I won't have my shower till eleven and then and I won't have done one single thing to my face. My business partner has very dry skin. As soon as she gets up, she does a missed. She just likes the feeling. It's a bit more comforting because it's a bit of a wake up as well. Yeah, but I go to bed like a glazed donut, so I definitely wake up with steel, juicy skin or like residue. So I just leave that, get my son ready, have my instant coffee, and then when I jump in the shower, then I go. You know, my vitamin C may be followed by a hydrating ceremon or a nicentemid sunscreen, but no, I wouldn't bother. I'd use ten minutes of that extra time to keep sleeping. Yeah.
A lot of people also don't realize that, especially with little babies, that if you are putting actives on in the morning and then kissing and cuddling your baby, so you can actually really irritate their skin. Absolutely, So it's better to like get all the morning stuff out of the way and then do your skin care when there's no risk of you then sort of shmearing you can't help but smear on their squishy little chains.
Smoosh them.
But yeah, you want your SEMs to be on there for more than an hour, so whack them on after you and your bubb I've had your shower, and then do your SBF and your makeup and then you kind of got it on all day until you take it off.
The longer the better.
Okay, coming up after the break, Kelly host Haag, are you taking back everything you've ever.
Said what.
You makeup packs?
Okay, hit me, I need to know.
I'm just being a little bit silly, a little bit hyperbolic. I'm absolutely not taking back everything I've ever said. I'm just saying that if you are a lover of contour like I am, remember that it is designed for stage. So the whole concept of contouring was designed for stage makeup, so people two hundred three hundred seats back would be able to see your face and different things that you're doing with your face, whether you're smiling, whether you're cranky, and to see the different dimensions and shadows. That's where contour was introduced. So when people are doing really intense contours in real life, for people that are just going to be seeing them at work or like out on a night out. It can tend to look a little bit strange in real life. And sometimes I won't even realize because you're sort of looking at yourself in the mirror. So this is why I don't do it. And then I'll see a photo of myself and be like, dear lord, you look like a caricature.
Yeah.
So even if it's blended, probably you sometimes can look a little bit muddy or a little bit cartoon like, as if you've just drawn things on. So just remember the history of contour is that it is a stage makeup tech. Yeah, so like do ten percent of what they would do exactly.
Also, would you say, look at me the never contours? Would you say, try and do it in natural light?
I think just be light handed with it.
Yeah, I do it by default us with my powdered runs are in that I don't just shove it all over my face. I kind Yeah, that's three shape, forehead, cheekbones.
Chin.
I wouldn't call it conjuring. I just call it like warming. You warm your face, I warm my face. That's a really good point. What products do you recommend four conjuring or that are kind of easy to use in that category.
I actually think that cream stick products are the easiest to use for contouring. There are three that I really like in a spendy mid range and savy options. So the Estrallas Dewey and Daring contour stick that is glorious, and then my mid range is nude sticks. Yes, that one is fantastic and I guess expensive. You know, Oh my goodness, the face Trace contours stick.
It.
I have it, but I can't use it. Can you come over and show?
Yes?
It's honestly, once you get the hang of it, it's so easy.
And then we're using a brush to buff our, contrary a ferm brush like a ferm like almost like a kabuki not that fir, not that firm.
Because you want to blend it, but also sort of be pressing it into your skin so it's not moving everything under it out of the way. Or you could use a damp beauty sponge that would also be nice, but that's if you're after an even more natural well that's me, which yeah, is perfect.
Before we wrap this one up, I can't remember if you ever ended up trying the kmart one. The Kmart bronzings.
I haven't. It was out of stock the last time I went.
Always out of stock because I'm scared of this category and I don't want to spend too much money on something that, let's face it, I probably won't use. I got the k up once. It's really good, Okay, I still don't do. When I come over to teach you how to do it, I'll try the camee up have it? Thanks, give me the Westman. That's one I want. Okay, my host tach, I want you to do, but with caution. Okay, so I know winter's over. But dry lips are a pain in the lips and they can be really hard to treat. A lot of lip scrubs out on the market, but I don't love them because your lips are so small and by the time you're trying to get the grains and do the scrubbing, it's.
Like it ends up in your mouth. And yeah, and.
It's not very precise.
You can use your toothbrush, but my tip is to use a Q tip and then the teeniest tenious amount of are very very very gentle aha face expoliant, give your lips the tiniest little massage. I like to do it in circles because it actually stimulates blood flow and then it kind of will just encourage those flakes to lift off. I've done it with the go To. They've got three different chemical expollence. Did you know they've got gentle, clarifying, and glow. The gentle one is fantastic, just a tiny bit to lift off any flakes.
Another good one.
To do it with is the newer Paula's Choice six percent mandelic acid, two percent lactic acid liquid exfolient. It's a very gentle resurfacing and look, you're gonna want to use one of these on your face a couple times a week. Anyway, I would only do this as needed, and only, as Lee has said, a very gentle, whiniest amount.
You've just reminded me the Hooper Company Daily Glow exfoliating page etonic. It's so gentle, So that would be perfect to your lips.
Yes, or the ordinary lactic acid five percent with harlonic acid. Now keep in mind, your lips do not have oil glands, so that's why they get so dry. People think you're addicted to lip balm. You can't get addicted to lip balm. But when your lips are flaky, you probably do need to give them a little bit.
Of help with exoliation.
It's like your skin, yes exactly, but then I would probably pop on a haylonic acid serum and then like a barrier lip balm, and you've given you a little face, a little facial except only your lips.
Great tip.
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