Tawny and Andrew welcome producer Kevin Bartelt to the crew! Andrew shares his experience forming a public response about the violence against Asian Americans and why he struggled with it. They also discuss the new swastika symbol being on blatant display at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) last weekend.

Later, Tawny and Andrew listen to listener voicemails about sensitivity training and white people encouraging their partner to explore their identity. 

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