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Grammy nominated Teddy Swims Grammy is this Sunday. Of course he's.
Huge, huge.
I do get confused between him and post Malone, but it's just the face tat thing, so that's fair. Swims and Analyse cards on the table. They sat down a couple of weeks ago. Analyse, you sat down with the Swimstone.
Yeah, a couple of weeks ago.
Nice guy, so nice, really really really nice.
Did the interview go well?
Yeah, I think there was a go in person? Was it in person?
No?
On Zoom Zoom Special.
Last time you had a Zoom Special was Louis Tomlinson and that's when you asked him whether Christmas existed in the UK.
Have you ever painted your nails?
No?
No, no, that's fair fair. Do you keep your bedroom clean or messy?
Very messy? Unfortunately?
So I was formerly a messy person.
I'm now a clean first k I understand you.
Do you still have your childhood teddies.
No, No, I couldn't even remember what it was.
To be fair, I mean I must have.
Yeah.
I love that.
From grab. But she then went on to say, is Christmas big in the UK?
Yeah?
You were happy with that question?
Yeah, yeah, I was, because you know, my twelve year old self had those questions and feeling satisfied.
Exactly with that in mind. With that in mind, an Ales goes one on one with Teddy swims later. So I think that'd be very entertaining. I love it now.
Will Yeah, Hannah Ferguson, founder of Cheek Media, is back here on Will and Woody from the Big Small Talk podcast. Welcome back, Hanna, so good to have you here.
Thank you for the intro.
Thank you.
That was great music.
And we're playing the law and auto music because you're on to talk about I'm gonna say this is the legal case definitely of the year. It's the law case that is on everyone's lips right now. It's Blake Lively v. Justin Baldoni. They are obviously the stars of the film It Ends with Us, which is based on the Colin Hoover novel, which is a movie about domestic violence. But Hannah, this is where I'm gonna throw to you, because I think this all kicked off December last year. Blake Lively made the first move.
What happened?
So and actually I'd go back to August because we knew that, I know, let's go even throw At the time, we knew and the film came out that there was something going on with the cast, right, and this is a massive complex case, but to like dilute it down to its simplest. There was a huge social media kind of troll campaign against Blake Lively where people were saying her marketing of that movie, which is a very sensitive topic, was in was kind of not trauma informed. People were saying she's coming out saying, grab your girlfriend's where your florals? It's like a rom com. Was very much the framing. She brought out a haircare line. So much is happening. But people for some reason attacked Blake but like Justin Baldoni even though the cast and Blake wouldn't be seen with him, so we knew something was wrong and there was this rift apparently that TMZ reported was because of creative differences. Fast forward to December, we stoodn't know what's happened, and then Blake Lively files a lawsuit against Justin Baldoni and his producer and co owner of the studio's Wayfarer about sexual harassment and sexual misconduct on set and just major issues she experienced an employee, which include things like them showing her videos of their Jamie Heath's wife naked of Justin Baldoni, disclosing sexual accident consent to her, then Justin Baldoni engaging in like unwanted kissing scenes and overly doing the intimacy on ste and Blake basically files this lawsuit and the next day The New York Times reports on this that she felt uncomfortable and didn't want them to retaliate. Then the next steps, as a lot of people know in the course of the lead up to Christmas, basically is Justin Baldernei then files a lawsuit against The New York Times basically alleging defamation and counter sues Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, saying that Blake Lively is strong arm the creative decisions on the project. There are so many allegations with this, but he's basically saying it's defamatory. What they're saying, they've taken it out of context, and I can justify a bunch of these behaviors. So now we're just waiting to see what emerges from these suits.
So is he disputing like each of her claims specifically.
See a lot of them.
He is.
So he's saying things like she says she was fat shamed on the set because he asked how much she weighed, And he's saying, I have back injuries and I was asking my personal trainer how much I need to lift to be able to carry her in the film. So he's actually coming back with a lot of responses to things like that.
So he is in a information in case, you've got to prove the truth, right, So he's probably need to go through a bit of.
A checklist there. What else has she claimed? Specifically that he's.
Also claiming that they have basically lodged a massive social media campaign against her. He also hired Johnny Depp's PR team to help him crisis manage his way through what's happened in the last few months, which raised a lot of flags at the time in mid last year. But there's also this entire claim in the texts that have been alleged in The New York Times and through Blake's complaint that basically they've kind of conducted and ensured this social media campaign went against her. But really what's happened is they've planted a few stories and women and the Internet at large has been so willing to hate another woman they've taken it and run with it. So a lot of it is the PR campaign here his team ran, which is being alleged. A lot of it is just that these texts that are shared of things like we can bury Anyone was one of the texts between Justin and his PR team. There's lots of text message saying it's it's actually sad how willing the internet is to hate a woman like this is really the conversation that's going. So there's there's a conversation about the smear campaign against Blake Lively, and then there's a separate conversation about the conduct on set, you know, the lack of consent, the creative differences. There's just a heap of legal staff happening at the same time, which is why there's so much noise about this case.
You mentioned Ryan Reynolds as well, because it's interesting that he is now very much involved.
He's a fascinating which fascinates me. So he's the husband of men, can do no wrong as far as.
And that is so thank you for pointing that out.
Thank god someone did.
That is always the stance of this radio show. And on that note, we are going to go to a song.
We've got more with Hanna Ferguson right out next, founder of check Media. If you want to hear more about this, she has put together an epic podcast delving into all of the detail on her podcast. He's suing them for four hundred million US dollars, which you know, given the way that the Aussie dollar is going, like that's that's seven hundred million, let's say Australian dollars.
That is.
I was in to stink about this before because legal mind why you need to prove where the damage is. You can't just say to someone i'm suing you, I want half a billion. You need to be able to show like, hey, the reason I'm suing you for four hundred million is because my career is definitely worth four hundred million and that's what I'm going to lose as a result of what you're doing to me this.
I didn't even know who this dude was. Baldoni.
He directed the film, he produced the film. He's in Jane the Vigi half a billion dollars. But I think, Hannah, you can I mean, I listened to your podcast, amazing podcast, by the way, but you said that his career has already been impacted somewhat. There are things that have happened to Justin Baldoni since all this stuff.
He's lost an Ally to Women Award.
It's been taken from him because he stripped.
I think it's actually uprageous at in December they gave it to him in the first place, even though it was quite obvious something had gone down on the set. So I don't think that's four hundred million dollars in of itself. But we both I think we can all agree that the four hundred million USD number is a headline that it is not actual, Like that is a ridiculous Yeah, okay.
So can I just pick up on what you've what you've mentioned there, because this guy has publicly always put himself out there as being a feminist and very against any bad treatment of women, Like he has really put his hand up as like a flag bearer there and with that in mind, so Ryan Reynolds involvement. He's the husband of Blake Lively. He has a movie Deadpool v. Wolverine, Yeah, coming out similar time to this film.
Right, loved it. Over to the action scenes.
If we had to be honest, always you know the character nice Pool. He's got the man but him playing himself and he's overly nice version, but also the more you get to know him, he's actually a really nasty person.
Yeah.
Okay, there's a claim there that that whole character is based on Justin Baldoni.
Who are you?
I'm dead and I guess you're a Deadpool too. But here everybody calls me nice Pool. Oh my goodness, where do you see lady Pool? She is gorgeous. She just had a baby too, And I can't even tell him.
I don't think you're supposed to say that.
That's okay, identify as a feminist. Wow.
So this whole character, Hannah is a big swipe at Justin Baldoni.
That's what they're arguing, and Jospin Baldoni has basically written an open letter to say preserve the documentation related to this character, because I believe it's been based on me, and it's included in the suit this information, so he has a belief that that's the case. And I think one of the interesting parts about this that my co host pointed out to me in our podcast yesterday is that that character in the credits of Deadpool is sort of credited as being played by Gordon Reynolds, not even though it's Ryan Reynolds in It Ends with Us. Blake Lively ensured that there was credit given in the thanks section to a Gordon Reynolds.
Wow.
Wow, Right, the gossip is strong.
There is some confusion there. There's so much information coming out that a lot of people are kind of looking at it being like, I don't even know who I like anymore. I don't know whose side I'm on. So from your investigation, are you on a particular side?
You know what?
I think? I think that our willingness to go I must pick, choose is such a like response to social media and like when we're fed so much propaganda. I think one of the hard parts about this is, you know, August last year, when this campaign against Blake Lively went just viral and everyone was piling on it, now feels hard for people to switch and say, oh, with this new information, I actually can understand that I did the wrong thing by feeding into it. So I think everyone needs to come back and say, when there's like complicated legal cases like this, it's okay to say I don't know and I probably made a wrong assumption. And with this new information, I'm going to sit back and go, let's just see what unfolds. Our willingness to go, I'm picking team whatever when a legal case is unfolding.
So unfair reach out one hundred respect very worthwhile because obviously this whole thing kicks off in a movie about domestic brands. I mean, the irony of that is palpable and probably very confronting for a lot of people. Hannah, thank you so much for joining us. It's been great. You've been awesome as always, big small talk. Go and get it rid of your podcasts and going into that podcast, I've got a whole lot more detail from someone who talks very well.
Hi as you. Yes, mate, I don't ask for much. I think I think, I think I'm a good best mate. I think we've been through a lot together. But something happened last week and it's given you an opportunity to embarrass me, and I just think that if you love me, you can agree with me that you're not going to embarrass me and we can just move on. I know I've been a bit cryptic there. I'll explain. I received a very strange phone call from my manager last week. Your manager, our manager, right, Joe, Yeah, okay. He informed me that there was an opportunity for me. Okay, okay, a work opportunity for me. Now, I have now realized that that was a prank, but I fully bought it for the entire phone call. Now, will do you you were across this. I feel like you puppeteered the entire thing.
I didn't puppety the whole thing. But it's actually analysis idea.
Okay, fine, we don't know. You don't a point fingers. He's going for me, You don't point.
Please know that I will throw anyone else under the bust stage. No one is safe.
We don't. We don't need to point fingers.
But okay, well, analy's idea. It was a dodging.
It's just it's noted. She's put her head through my front door and now she's pranking me. Analise, you're going down in cogs this audio, which you obviously have possession of.
I haven't heard it yet actually, because you know, we were going to take this all the way.
To the top.
What do you mean not all the way to the top.
Well, George's idea was that we were going to send you. Am I allowed to say this? Okay? George's idea was that, well.
We haven't even said what it is yet. Okay, just to stop, because I'm asking you as a friend. The audio exists. It is incredibly embarrassing for me. It completely tarnishes my reputation that I believed this prank and completely fell for it.
Now, Will, Yeah, how did you When did you figure out that it was a prank?
About a day later? Wow, it just dawned on me this is so well.
So you had just been walking and would have been like, oh my god.
I think and I was kicked out of a meeting room at one point as well, and I was like, oh no, So it hit me very hard. Now, Will, in the words of Adel, go easy on me. Oh you don't want me to play it, I'm asking you. Oh really, I was obviously I know what's in the call. I was there. I said the words and I'm telling you candidly, I'm not joking. I take it seriously and I fell for it, hook line and sinker. Yeah, which is incredibly embarrassing. Yeah it is, and only you and we don't have to give the details. We can just bury it now. It's up to you. We either move on with the radio show and we're still best mates, or you know, you, you potentially jeopardized this friendship over to you.
Well, that's tough.
I don't think it is that tough.
Tough.
It's an easy decision. You and I have always talked about how you know lines can be crossed in radio friendship comes first.
I know.
No, I haven't actually told you what's tough yet. What's really tough.
For me right now, and I've been struggling with this for the last three minutes.
Is do we play the audio now or after the song?
And I'm leaning into after the song because I reckon you know, we'll play a song.
Everyone wants to hear it now. It's one of the great prank calls.
Please don't and you look like one of the great.
Dicks, and everyone's going to hear it.
On the other side, this is I don't come back from this. No, I'm done.
Wait do you hear what Georgia headlined up for you? She's cruel.
Really, that's interesting, very interesting.
Largely, I didn't know that you knew about this. I'm glad that you that you were candid, but now but you're regretting it because we praiked you.
We praked you really well.
Junior producer Analys's idea then executed by seeing you, Producer Georgia, I know we've seen bug ticket you producer it. It's kind of a team effort.
I just sat back.
I actually didn't do anything him. I just said, I don't want to have anything to do with this. I love my brother is a great guy. I appreciate that.
You know.
You know I've always got your back, but.
I'm not sure about that. But it was a big pilot, is it any Yeah? And it worked like I fell for this Frank hook Line and Sinker unfortunately, and it's like it is so embarrassing that I felt for them.
Well, I know, I don't know the extent to which you've fallen for it. They told me it was good. Now I haven't heard this audio. We're going to say it for later. You don't remember what you said. Apparently I don't even know it. Need to tell you guys what the prank is about, because it will be very clear very early on. When our manager Joe called Woody last week about nine o'clock in the morning to make an offer to him.
He was good, mate, good, good, good, we got to chat. Yeah, we finally go to chat as your weeks been. Yeah, good man, good.
I'm not.
Do you know who magazine? Yes? I do magazine. Yes, I mean I've got been around forty years and I don't know the editor.
They used to do every year a Who's Sexiest Issues? Oh yeah, classics if you remember, I don't recall, but very excitiful. Okay, well, look they haven't done it for a couple of years, so they kind of rested it. It used to be like the one of their biggest issues, and they used to like throw a big party.
And things like that. Oh yeah, I think like Selton Pepper performed at one of them and things like that, so hilarious. Yeah, yeah, they're not agree wild. So look confidentially they are bringing that back this year and okay, yeah, and they have different kind of categories and they've actually reached out to me and I've said we're interested in Woody as our Australias sexiest man. For that, Oh that is so weirdy.
Look, I think it's a big compliment.
Absolutely that is that is, that is lovely. But then to get that so so wrong, I mean, it could be so so right, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very true.
They'll probably need to fly you up to Sidney to do a shoot for it, to shoot whoever's an issue look normally with their men and something like this. It might be something with not much clothes on, so I don't know how you feel about that, Like it might be like shirt off.
Hopefully there's like a middle line we could get there where I could do like a sinless or something or I don't know. Yeah, I mean because there's month out of my mind, which is like this is just so funny for Will as well for the radio show, right, do you know what I mean? In a positive way. He will absolutely destroy me for it, but I think that'll be really funny. And I guess the other side of it is it's great press for the show. Yeah it is, Yeah, it is. You know, you'll be able to talk about Will as well. Hopefully we can just push back a little bit. I'm happy to like being like a state of undress. But I'm sure, I'm sure we can come to an agreement. Like, there's so many other things I can do. I know exactly that d they're going to be going for World's Sexiest Man John Kravinsky. I guess, yeah, that was last year. I'm sure there's something we can get sure. Yeah, so sorry, just to confirm. So it's not that I'm in like the top ten, it's it's our number one. Yeah, you're the Australian sexiest man. Oh wow, I like to tell men. I mean, luck'll be He'll be like, get you brig out and embracest. I think she would, you know, and look, you know maybe Australia needs to see that. What do you mean, No, that's true that one'm a celebrity. I'm sure we'll be able to get to like a middle ground where everyone's happy.
Yes, unbelievable.
How did I believe that?
And you don't like you really made it, Like you know, I think you were doing a really good job of like, oh, you know, you want to do it tastefully, don't work too much for a flog.
And then you're like hey on a second, just to confirm I'm not in the top ten. Baby, I'm Australia Sexiest Man.
I know it almost goes and sings in roundabouts, but I'm really modest. And then it's like all of a sudden, I go, hang on.
I am.
I was showing off Tom for twenty four hours. I was saying to men, just to remind you, you are in with Australia Sexiest.
Man Analysis in the studio. Great to have you're back in here, analyst.
What he said, do you pull up a pew? And you came in and you said what's a pooh? Which I thought was very funny. Great to have you in here.
Good thanks for having read.
And you're in here analyse because you interviewed this guy, Teddy Swims nominated for a Grammy on Sunday. What's the Grammy? He's nominated for AB Best New Artists Research.
That's what pretty to you, isn't.
He's he's up and coming, he's killing it.
How are you telling him in post MALONEA part?
Just different range of songs? Really?
Yeah?
What about on site?
On site? Well, I think they're just you can quite distinguish them both.
He's different hair style totally teddy swimms.
Got the teeth, I don't know.
I didn't really look at his mouth, to be honest.
Think he's got a bit of teeth going on, doesn't he post Malone has teeth too, I think are you talking about like?
Yeah?
I think they both don't do that?
Yeah, yeah, interesting follow it others looks, see face tats.
Look, look they're different people different good start. Yeah, why did we not introduce him? Interviewed?
We were on holiday? You actually very aggressively wrote back to our ap saying like I'm on holiday, mate, I don't work on holiday, and then he went underground. Was actually quite horrific anyway, So Analie stepped up and she decided to do the chat for you because you were so aggressive.
Analys, My first question is, didn't happen?
Were you nervous? Because I'm going to play a little bit of audio. This was last time I had an interview for us to interview Tom Hardy. It's a big star, massive.
Questions.
I read somewhere that you Kelly had created this scene that required that two weeks of shooting underwater. Now Tom that the whole thing is insane. I feel like when you're in the writing room.
Are you going?
What can I make? That is most challenging for everybody on the scene. He didn't know I was going to do that to him.
No, No, I was on a need to know basis, and at that time I didn't.
Need to know.
So we less or more nervous for this fun with Teddy Swims.
I think I was.
I think I was more nervous, but I was also trying to make sure that I breathed this time.
And yeah, I've got a little bit of audio actually on the lace of you actually before the Teddy Swims just trying to calm yourself down.
So I ask him to see how good of a singer I am? Ah lose gun what I'm about to pee my pants.
I don't know if it's from nerves of whether I'm just like excited or I've actually got to I haven't.
Paid all that. It's just a conversation, That's what I've got to remember. It's just a conversation. See where it goes, my guy, Teddy, it's the pep talk.
Yeah, it's just a conversation.
It's just id I like literally had to get that in my head because I think with the Tom Hardy one, I was like, so just starstruck and just work like I was speechless the whole time, so forming a sentence it was like grubbing individual words from the dictionary and just slapping it together and hoping it worked.
And it didn't work.
Well, it sounds like you learn from your Tom Hardy experience though, you know, you try to calm yourself down. It's just a conversation. But unfortunately this was over zoom, the chat with Teddy Swims, and you may not have been nervous to talk, but you couldn't quite figure out the tech of the zoom.
Can you hear me in your cameras? I'll get no, no, no, sorry, well he's there's no audio coming from Hello one second, guy, Sorry, I can't quite hear you. Hell sorry one second? So sorry? What about now? I'm so sorry about that.
They were there.
We're in, we're in, ready to rumble. How are you, Eddie? I'm good, thank you, I'm Analise, lovely to meet you.
Okay, so we're off.
We're off.
That hurt my soul.
We've got to go to a game in I think he sounded really good.
He's sound a positive fun. Yeah, good stuff, good stuff, got your words.
Just a conversation does bring up somehow our bosses jocks within the conversation. But we will play you the entire chat with Teddy Swims.
That sounds really weird.
It was super weird. It's just inappropriate, not needed. Teddy Swims Junior us analyse right up next.
And analyse. You had the pleasure of sitting down with the Big felt.
Yes, he had his new album I've Tried Everything Therapy Part two, which is out now.
Yes, now, we don't condone.
By the way, not trying therapy. Get therapy is good. Give it around therapy if you're struggling to get around therapy. It's a really good thing. Anyway, did sit down with Teddy's Swims analys If you're just joining us, you were incredibly nervous before the chat. But I'm gonna be honest. I'm going to play some audio here. You are on fire?
Love that, Teddy? How are you? Congratulations? Exciting time for you.
I know, I'm so I'm so happy and just really really filled with joy.
Oh I'm so glad. I mean, nominated for Best New Artists at the Grammys. Excuse me, excuse me?
Yeah, good coff is running over. Man, I promise you that. I'm so happy.
I love Are you thinking, Teddy? I was sinking a bit earlier, Like, you've got a lot of tattoos. If you win the Best New Artists at the Grammys, are you going to get a tatoo to celebrate?
Yeah?
Sure, that's actually a great idea. Yeah would yeah, right as well? Maybe maybe a big like Grammy, like as a grandma, you know, like my Grammy.
Yeah that is cute, a little play on words.
Yet a little grandma, you know. Maybe I'll just tap to your little grandma.
I can't wait to see it. Honestly, I have big hopes that you'll get it. I mean, you're up against your your bud Benson Boone, who good good contender, But I think you.
I think you'll win it.
With the whole momentum of your first album, it was Honestly, I loved it. I've listened to your new album as well on repeat, and it's been really I can't wait for other people to have a listen.
Yeah, I think I think too. With the with the Grammys this year, it's it's such a it's such an awesome time.
This is the best rookie class. I think ever of our time, you know, there's I'm just honored to be a part of that, that that conversation at all, you know, with Benson and Chaboozie and Ray.
I mean, it just goes on. So Brina and Chad's an awesome year. It's such an awesome year.
My jaws on the floor as they were coming out.
And I saw your reaction when you called your dad the straight after you found out, Like my jaws on the floor hearing those names called out, and then you called your dad.
Can you tell me, like, why was the reason that you called him first?
Like, man, I call him about everything first. He's my hero.
He's he's really the first in the you know what I was when I was still in school and then I was going to cosmetology school, and my dad was the first one that told me, like, you know, son, if you want to do music, drop out, man, just don't go back to school. Promise me you'll just do music. You know, you'll never make it if you don't focus on it. And so I think he's always my first guy to go to with everything. You know, I called him first when I found out we were pregnant. And you know, it's just like and he's his first his first thing. He always says, like, well, hot dogs, and you know he's my hero.
Oh that's so lovely.
Is it something that you're going to take away from the way he's been a parent to you to when you're your dad?
Yeah, you know, being being honest and open and vulnerable.
And uh, I was always always always giving way too much love, you know, always being way too trying all the time letting it out. I still mean, we will still sit in the living room when I'm home and watch a movie and I'll be laying on him, you know. And I hope, I hope I always get to cuddle over my baby like.
That great chat.
That's nice, lovely couple of things. Don't drop out of school kids, I just okay, yeah, do.
Therapy at school.
So he's nominated for Best New Artist Grammar and in that category is also raised Sabrina Carpenter and Chapel Rohan.
Yeah, and you reckon, he's, in your opinion, very good shot of winning it.
Did you not hear lose control last year when that was Now.
That Teddy's not here, though, who do you think will win that Grammy?
Be honest, I think Teddy will win. Runners Up, Sabrina Carpenter