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All right? Yeah, it's a little scratchy, but we can do a cleaner interview later. So let's just get going.

All right? Yeah, it's a little scratchy, but we can do a cleaner interview later. So let's just get going.

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Let's talk about this story which is in your family tree and a story you know a lot about. Yeah, this is Patricia Childs, who's relative from deep in her family tree, was troubled right from the start of his life. His name was Eugene Bert, and he lived in Austin, Texas in the late eighteen hundreds. Eugene was never a particularly successful person. He always lived in the shadows of other people in his family. His ambitious older brothers were both businessmen. His father was the city's physician, a brilliant mind who used the bodies of victims to help investigators solve crimes. All three of the elder Birds were well respected professionals, but Eugene was not. He was a shyster, a manipulator, and an envious man who would eventually become a killer. So this story isn't really a who done it? But more like who does he kill? And why was he born a killer or were there other reasons? Unraveling all of this will be a challenge. So, Patricia, there's no question that Eugene did this right. This is more about why he did it, what was a reason behind it, And it's really complicated, And the fact that this takes place in the eighteen hundreds makes it even more complicated.

Let's talk about this story which is in your family tree and a story you know a lot about. Yeah, this is Patricia Childs, who's relative from deep in her family tree, was troubled right from the start of his life. His name was Eugene Bert, and he lived in Austin, Texas in the late eighteen hundreds. Eugene was never a particularly successful person. He always lived in the shadows of other people in his family. His ambitious older brothers were both businessmen. His father was the city's physician, a brilliant mind who used the bodies of victims to help investigators solve crimes. All three of the elder Birds were well respected professionals, but Eugene was not. He was a shyster, a manipulator, and an envious man who would eventually become a killer. So this story isn't really a who done it? But more like who does he kill? And why was he born a killer or were there other reasons? Unraveling all of this will be a challenge. So, Patricia, there's no question that Eugene did this right. This is more about why he did it, what was a reason behind it, And it's really complicated, And the fact that this takes place in the eighteen hundreds makes it even more complicated.

When you're talking about mental illness. At that point, we haven't come too far beyond thinking that the mo is what makes people go berserk, right right?

When you're talking about mental illness. At that point, we haven't come too far beyond thinking that the mo is what makes people go berserk, right right?

I write about psychiatry in the eighteen hundreds, and my research has found that there were some interesting but pretty disturbing ideas back then, like ebilepsy was considered a mental illness in the eighteen hundreds.

I write about psychiatry in the eighteen hundreds, and my research has found that there were some interesting but pretty disturbing ideas back then, like ebilepsy was considered a mental illness in the eighteen hundreds.

There was a claim that was made that was disturbing to me that the mother was insane while she had been carrying him in her womb, and so that could have affected him.

There was a claim that was made that was disturbing to me that the mother was insane while she had been carrying him in her womb, and so that could have affected him.

What did you think about that.

What did you think about that.

Imagine the guilt that someone would feel if they were having a hormone what we now would think of as a hormonal imbalance, or you know, depression while they're carrying a child. That can be quite common, but for someone to insinuate that that could cause your baby to become, you know, a murderer. I mean, and I thought wow.

Imagine the guilt that someone would feel if they were having a hormone what we now would think of as a hormonal imbalance, or you know, depression while they're carrying a child. That can be quite common, but for someone to insinuate that that could cause your baby to become, you know, a murderer. I mean, and I thought wow.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a crime historian and the author of the new audio book The Ghost Club and the book All That Is Wicked, And this is our new season of tenfold More Wicked. For this season, we're in eighteen nineties Austin, Texas, and that's where I live. I teach journalism at the University of Texas. We are calling this story The Annihilator, but this isn't a tale about the city's famous Servant Girl Annihilator, or at least not only about the Servant Girl Annihilator. That story is woven in because some of the main characters were involved with that series of murders a few years earlier. This story is about a different set of murders when a young man who saw first hand what that killer did to women, decided one night to pick up an X. But it's all connected to the Servant Girl Annihilator. We're going to try to figure out just how connected they are. Eugene Bird's case takes place about a decade later. This is a case about murder and families and mental illness and the wrong type of legacy. Let's take this from the beginning with a set of murders a decade before the ones we're going to be focusing on this season, the Servant Girl Annihilator murders, because, as we'll see in a curious twist of fate, those murders will end up being intimately connected to the murders of Eugene Burt's family through his own father. So here's a brief summary. Between eighteen eighty four and eighteen eighty five in Austin, Texas, somewhat murdered eight people. Several were lobotomized and then killed with a knife or an axe. You would think that the press and the law would be all over this story, but in fact they weren't because in this case, the five victims were women of color, thus the name the Servant Girl Annihilator. The killer also murdered one man of color, but white reporters paid little attention because the murders only affected a disenfranchised group who were marginalized to begin with, six gruesome axe attacks weren't enough to attract the press until two white women were murdered on Christmas Eve in eighteen eighty five. Then the press paid attention. People in Austin panicked, and the hunt for the Servant Girl Annihilator began, complete with bloodhounds. Michael Barnes is a local historian, a writer, and a podcaster who has studied the story of the Servant Girl Annihilator. He gives us context on that case, which will in turn give us context on our own case, which.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a crime historian and the author of the new audio book The Ghost Club and the book All That Is Wicked, And this is our new season of tenfold More Wicked. For this season, we're in eighteen nineties Austin, Texas, and that's where I live. I teach journalism at the University of Texas. We are calling this story The Annihilator, but this isn't a tale about the city's famous Servant Girl Annihilator, or at least not only about the Servant Girl Annihilator. That story is woven in because some of the main characters were involved with that series of murders a few years earlier. This story is about a different set of murders when a young man who saw first hand what that killer did to women, decided one night to pick up an X. But it's all connected to the Servant Girl Annihilator. We're going to try to figure out just how connected they are. Eugene Bird's case takes place about a decade later. This is a case about murder and families and mental illness and the wrong type of legacy. Let's take this from the beginning with a set of murders a decade before the ones we're going to be focusing on this season, the Servant Girl Annihilator murders, because, as we'll see in a curious twist of fate, those murders will end up being intimately connected to the murders of Eugene Burt's family through his own father. So here's a brief summary. Between eighteen eighty four and eighteen eighty five in Austin, Texas, somewhat murdered eight people. Several were lobotomized and then killed with a knife or an axe. You would think that the press and the law would be all over this story, but in fact they weren't because in this case, the five victims were women of color, thus the name the Servant Girl Annihilator. The killer also murdered one man of color, but white reporters paid little attention because the murders only affected a disenfranchised group who were marginalized to begin with, six gruesome axe attacks weren't enough to attract the press until two white women were murdered on Christmas Eve in eighteen eighty five. Then the press paid attention. People in Austin panicked, and the hunt for the Servant Girl Annihilator began, complete with bloodhounds. Michael Barnes is a local historian, a writer, and a podcaster who has studied the story of the Servant Girl Annihilator. He gives us context on that case, which will in turn give us context on our own case, which.

Is always somewhat dictated by the national interest in a local story. It was the first famous case of a serial killery, and so newspapers from all across the country Saint Louis, Chicago, Boston, New York sent reporters to Austin to cover it.

Is always somewhat dictated by the national interest in a local story. It was the first famous case of a serial killery, and so newspapers from all across the country Saint Louis, Chicago, Boston, New York sent reporters to Austin to cover it.

These were very violent murders because they involved a brutal weapon, and they also involved sexual assault. And if those two things weren't disturbing enough, the killer did something highly unusual. As I mentioned before, he lobotomized some of his victims by driving a sharp metal object through their heads to torture them and the people who would discover their bodies. Local tour guide and historian Monica Ballard explains.

These were very violent murders because they involved a brutal weapon, and they also involved sexual assault. And if those two things weren't disturbing enough, the killer did something highly unusual. As I mentioned before, he lobotomized some of his victims by driving a sharp metal object through their heads to torture them and the people who would discover their bodies. Local tour guide and historian Monica Ballard explains.

There was a metal pin, smaller than like a railroad tie nail, but certainly larger than a hat pin or something like that. Hammered through the ear into the brain with a hammer, yeah, or the other side of an axe or something like that.

There was a metal pin, smaller than like a railroad tie nail, but certainly larger than a hat pin or something like that. Hammered through the ear into the brain with a hammer, yeah, or the other side of an axe or something like that.

Why would a killer lobottomize his victim. Serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer had drilled holes in the heads of some of his victims while they were drugged before he killed them. Dahmer thought he could control them by making them zombies. A lobotomy would be incredibly cruel, the act of a sadistic, disturbed person who reveled in causing someone pain, and finding a killer like that would be difficult for Austin's law enforcement. Such as it was in the eighteen hundreds, Austin was still a little bit like the Wild West. There was no organized police force, no real law and order, so when investigators arrived at each crime scene, they had a tough time. And after each murder. There was one person who was consistently present, the city's physician. His name was William Burt, and he was a leader in the community. He was edge and respected, even revered. Whenever the forty seven year old doctor was notified of the crime, he would travel to that part of the city unzip his medical bag and examine the victims. Bert was the man who helped investigators solve crime by providing them with physical evidence. He might run tests, study bullet holes, and determine cause of death. Doctor William Burt was incredibly important. His medical knowledge was respected. He understood death, and in late December of eighteen eighty five, as William Burt examined one of the final two victims of the Servant Girl Annihilator, someone else gazed down at her body. His teenage son Eugene, had been at home when police officers knocked on his father's door requesting that doctor Burt report to a murder scene. I know this is a lot of information up front about this story, but it's important that you have contexts because one of the things we want to know is this. If this young man saw the scene of an axe murderer and then more than a decade later did almost the same thing, what did that mean? Because it must have meant something. But before we get into all of that, let's go back even farther in time to find out the history of the Burt family, because it's an interesting and an important history. On February twenty ninth, eighteen sixty, William Jefferson Burt married Cynthia Melinda Chloe Palmer. Friends and family called her Cleo. They were originally from Georgia, and they were just two years apart in age, and they seemed to really want children because they had three of them pretty quickly. They didn't even wait until William finished medical school. They had three boys who were each two years apart. Montrose Bert was the eldest, named after his mother's father. Everyone called him Monte. He was born in Georgia in eighteen sixty five, just three months after the end of the Civil War. Roscoe came two years later in eighteen sixty seven after the Birds moved to Texas, and then Eugene was born two years after that. In eighteen sixty nine, I asked Patricia Chiles where her family line was in the Burt family history.

Why would a killer lobottomize his victim. Serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer had drilled holes in the heads of some of his victims while they were drugged before he killed them. Dahmer thought he could control them by making them zombies. A lobotomy would be incredibly cruel, the act of a sadistic, disturbed person who reveled in causing someone pain, and finding a killer like that would be difficult for Austin's law enforcement. Such as it was in the eighteen hundreds, Austin was still a little bit like the Wild West. There was no organized police force, no real law and order, so when investigators arrived at each crime scene, they had a tough time. And after each murder. There was one person who was consistently present, the city's physician. His name was William Burt, and he was a leader in the community. He was edge and respected, even revered. Whenever the forty seven year old doctor was notified of the crime, he would travel to that part of the city unzip his medical bag and examine the victims. Bert was the man who helped investigators solve crime by providing them with physical evidence. He might run tests, study bullet holes, and determine cause of death. Doctor William Burt was incredibly important. His medical knowledge was respected. He understood death, and in late December of eighteen eighty five, as William Burt examined one of the final two victims of the Servant Girl Annihilator, someone else gazed down at her body. His teenage son Eugene, had been at home when police officers knocked on his father's door requesting that doctor Burt report to a murder scene. I know this is a lot of information up front about this story, but it's important that you have contexts because one of the things we want to know is this. If this young man saw the scene of an axe murderer and then more than a decade later did almost the same thing, what did that mean? Because it must have meant something. But before we get into all of that, let's go back even farther in time to find out the history of the Burt family, because it's an interesting and an important history. On February twenty ninth, eighteen sixty, William Jefferson Burt married Cynthia Melinda Chloe Palmer. Friends and family called her Cleo. They were originally from Georgia, and they were just two years apart in age, and they seemed to really want children because they had three of them pretty quickly. They didn't even wait until William finished medical school. They had three boys who were each two years apart. Montrose Bert was the eldest, named after his mother's father. Everyone called him Monte. He was born in Georgia in eighteen sixty five, just three months after the end of the Civil War. Roscoe came two years later in eighteen sixty seven after the Birds moved to Texas, and then Eugene was born two years after that. In eighteen sixty nine, I asked Patricia Chiles where her family line was in the Burt family history.

Cleo Palmer was the mother of William Eugene. She's a Palmer, so it's through the Palmers, and then you've got to go through all the Palmers to get up to where Cleo married William Jefferson and they had William Eugene.

Cleo Palmer was the mother of William Eugene. She's a Palmer, so it's through the Palmers, and then you've got to go through all the Palmers to get up to where Cleo married William Jefferson and they had William Eugene.

So you're related to Eugene's mother Cleo, and so is Julie.

So you're related to Eugene's mother Cleo, and so is Julie.

Julie, wait till you talk to Julie. She lives and breathes genealogy.

Julie, wait till you talk to Julie. She lives and breathes genealogy.

Julie Norton is a former statius to she and she really does live and breathe genealogy. She's done a tremendous amount of research on her family.

Julie Norton is a former statius to she and she really does live and breathe genealogy. She's done a tremendous amount of research on her family.

So I didn't really know anything until Patricia asbian So I looked at the newspaper article. And because I was interested in him, of course, I'm interested in his two brothers, and did notice that they ran a shoe business there in Austin, and they had married two sisters who were second generation, that is, their parents were born in France and they were born here. And that of course sets up a dynamic of success. Really, at least usually it does that, because everybody thinks America's paved with difficult They worked hard and their husbands worked harded that it's very successful a shoe business.

So I didn't really know anything until Patricia asbian So I looked at the newspaper article. And because I was interested in him, of course, I'm interested in his two brothers, and did notice that they ran a shoe business there in Austin, and they had married two sisters who were second generation, that is, their parents were born in France and they were born here. And that of course sets up a dynamic of success. Really, at least usually it does that, because everybody thinks America's paved with difficult They worked hard and their husbands worked harded that it's very successful a shoe business.

So Roscoe and Monte married sisters and they both became successful businessmen. But right now we're talking about the childhoods of the Birt boys. All three were educated in public schools. They went to the Protestant church near their home, and Eugene and his brothers seemed to enjoy Sunday services. Their mother, Cleo, was a homemaker and their father was a physician. After doctor Burt finished medical school in eighteen sixty one, he became a local physician and a surgeon back in Georgia. But then he wanted a more stable position, so he took a job as the city physician for Austin, Texas. A city physician is now an antiquated job in America, but it's still a career in some European countries. In eighteen hundreds, Texas, a city physician was appointed by the city council, and they were responsible for overseeing the health of the city's residents. They would supervise how the poor were treated medically, particularly during epidemics like cholera. They supervised pharmacies and midwives and barbershops and of course other physicians, and they would also guide the city's the annotation plan. Doctor William Burt seemed to be especially concerned about that aspect of his job.

So Roscoe and Monte married sisters and they both became successful businessmen. But right now we're talking about the childhoods of the Birt boys. All three were educated in public schools. They went to the Protestant church near their home, and Eugene and his brothers seemed to enjoy Sunday services. Their mother, Cleo, was a homemaker and their father was a physician. After doctor Burt finished medical school in eighteen sixty one, he became a local physician and a surgeon back in Georgia. But then he wanted a more stable position, so he took a job as the city physician for Austin, Texas. A city physician is now an antiquated job in America, but it's still a career in some European countries. In eighteen hundreds, Texas, a city physician was appointed by the city council, and they were responsible for overseeing the health of the city's residents. They would supervise how the poor were treated medically, particularly during epidemics like cholera. They supervised pharmacies and midwives and barbershops and of course other physicians, and they would also guide the city's the annotation plan. Doctor William Burt seemed to be especially concerned about that aspect of his job.

I do know that he was a great proponent of sanitation. He wrote articles and op eds for the newspaper and various medical journals about sanitation efforts, about the sewage system, and so He was a terrific proponent of sanitary conditions.

I do know that he was a great proponent of sanitation. He wrote articles and op eds for the newspaper and various medical journals about sanitation efforts, about the sewage system, and so He was a terrific proponent of sanitary conditions.

Doctor Burt seemed community oriented, and the city relied on him for his medical experience and for his knowledge of examining patients who were victims of crime. He reported to all crime scenes, and he conducted autopsies in suspected murder cases. Doctor Burt was often called to court for all different types of cases. The year before, he had investigated the stabbing of a man in his home in downtown Austin. In court, Bert said this, I examined the person of L. E. Edwards. I saw him in the bedroom near his office. He was sitting with his shirt off and with his back to the door. The upper part of his body exposed. Upon examination, found six puncture wounds. In the eighteen eighties, doctor Burt solved medical mysteries and crimes. And it sounds like Austin was pretty wild in the nineteenth century. I asked local historian Michael Barnes about Austin almost one hundred and fifty years ago. Can you give me an idea of what society was like in general in Austin in the late eighteen hundreds.

Doctor Burt seemed community oriented, and the city relied on him for his medical experience and for his knowledge of examining patients who were victims of crime. He reported to all crime scenes, and he conducted autopsies in suspected murder cases. Doctor Burt was often called to court for all different types of cases. The year before, he had investigated the stabbing of a man in his home in downtown Austin. In court, Bert said this, I examined the person of L. E. Edwards. I saw him in the bedroom near his office. He was sitting with his shirt off and with his back to the door. The upper part of his body exposed. Upon examination, found six puncture wounds. In the eighteen eighties, doctor Burt solved medical mysteries and crimes. And it sounds like Austin was pretty wild in the nineteenth century. I asked local historian Michael Barnes about Austin almost one hundred and fifty years ago. Can you give me an idea of what society was like in general in Austin in the late eighteen hundreds.

It was about twenty thousand people at most It did not have paved streets. It was still a little bit of a frontier town. It didn't have a lot of wealth. It finally got a railroad in eighteen seventy one. It was not an an industrial center, even though they tried to do that with a dam they built on the Colorado River in the eighteen nineties, it just never happened. It was a kind of a backwater. And they still say a sleepy college and capital town. That's really all there was. There are only two businesses, and that was the university and capital.

It was about twenty thousand people at most It did not have paved streets. It was still a little bit of a frontier town. It didn't have a lot of wealth. It finally got a railroad in eighteen seventy one. It was not an an industrial center, even though they tried to do that with a dam they built on the Colorado River in the eighteen nineties, it just never happened. It was a kind of a backwater. And they still say a sleepy college and capital town. That's really all there was. There are only two businesses, and that was the university and capital.

Austin is the capital of Texas, so many people then and now worked at the Capitol building to help support the state government, and religion was important to Austinites. One of the fastest growing Christian churches in America was a Catholic church. One of the most revered churches in Austin is Saint mary Cathedral on Tenth and Brazos downtown. The church itself began in eighteen fifty as a small stone church named Saint Patrick's, about a block south of the current building. Ted Ubanks is a parishioner at Saint Mary's and he's done extensive research on the cathedral's history as well as the history of Catholics in Austin. We talked about the demographic of Austin in the late eighteen hundreds.

Austin is the capital of Texas, so many people then and now worked at the Capitol building to help support the state government, and religion was important to Austinites. One of the fastest growing Christian churches in America was a Catholic church. One of the most revered churches in Austin is Saint mary Cathedral on Tenth and Brazos downtown. The church itself began in eighteen fifty as a small stone church named Saint Patrick's, about a block south of the current building. Ted Ubanks is a parishioner at Saint Mary's and he's done extensive research on the cathedral's history as well as the history of Catholics in Austin. We talked about the demographic of Austin in the late eighteen hundreds.

Well, it would have been largely white, and many of the members would have been some European derivation. We had Irish, we had German, We've had a few British, some French, but it was a mixture because remember, everybody in Austin came from somewhere at the beginning. It's also the beginning of the working class. There was no great wealth in the city.

Well, it would have been largely white, and many of the members would have been some European derivation. We had Irish, we had German, We've had a few British, some French, but it was a mixture because remember, everybody in Austin came from somewhere at the beginning. It's also the beginning of the working class. There was no great wealth in the city.

Who were the Catholics at Austin during this time were many of them immigrants.

Who were the Catholics at Austin during this time were many of them immigrants.

Those were German and Czech and Polish moving into this area and they were Catholic. So even at that time there's a growing Catholic church.

Those were German and Czech and Polish moving into this area and they were Catholic. So even at that time there's a growing Catholic church.

Saint Mary Cathedral played a big role in the story of the Birds. It would become a central source of conflict for a very troubled family. The church was important, but in the time of reconstruction after the Civil War, politics were also big. I spoke to University of Texas history professor Walter Banger.

Saint Mary Cathedral played a big role in the story of the Birds. It would become a central source of conflict for a very troubled family. The church was important, but in the time of reconstruction after the Civil War, politics were also big. I spoke to University of Texas history professor Walter Banger.

So the eighteen nineties is intensely competitive politically. There's still in some areas a viable Republican party, mainly African American voters. In the eighteen nineties. There are still a strong Democratic Party, but not as strong as it would be by the nineteen twenties and thirties, and so the politics is intensely competitive, and this sometimes led to violence. There are increasing attempts to maybe the word is civilize a place like Austin. There were gun control laws then more strict than now.

So the eighteen nineties is intensely competitive politically. There's still in some areas a viable Republican party, mainly African American voters. In the eighteen nineties. There are still a strong Democratic Party, but not as strong as it would be by the nineteen twenties and thirties, and so the politics is intensely competitive, and this sometimes led to violence. There are increasing attempts to maybe the word is civilize a place like Austin. There were gun control laws then more strict than now.

Actually Austinite seemed to take crime seriously, except, of course, in less it involved people of color, particularly women of color, like the victims of the Servant Girl annihilator. The level of violence that killer seemed to enjoy hadn't happened in Austin before eighteen eighty four, but just fifteen years later it would repeat itself in the Burt family. And because of what would happen inside one little house just three blocks from the church, mental health experts would study Eugene Burt's case for decades afterward. When the Burt boys were young, the family seemed happy, but you never really know about a marriage or the family dynamic. Clearly, something was really off with the Berts. Like most families, their history was complicated, and Patricia Chiles says there seemed to be an odd relationship between the three brothers. Roscoe and Monty were clearly close as children, and they would become even closer as adults, but Eugene seemed isolated from the beginning.

Actually Austinite seemed to take crime seriously, except, of course, in less it involved people of color, particularly women of color, like the victims of the Servant Girl annihilator. The level of violence that killer seemed to enjoy hadn't happened in Austin before eighteen eighty four, but just fifteen years later it would repeat itself in the Burt family. And because of what would happen inside one little house just three blocks from the church, mental health experts would study Eugene Burt's case for decades afterward. When the Burt boys were young, the family seemed happy, but you never really know about a marriage or the family dynamic. Clearly, something was really off with the Berts. Like most families, their history was complicated, and Patricia Chiles says there seemed to be an odd relationship between the three brothers. Roscoe and Monty were clearly close as children, and they would become even closer as adults, but Eugene seemed isolated from the beginning.

They were only two years apart in age. That was interesting to me. It would seem that in a normal family they would have been kind of teamed up, right, like comrades, running around on a summer day, what are we going to do next? And I don't know if they had that kind of relationship though he seemed to be by himself.

They were only two years apart in age. That was interesting to me. It would seem that in a normal family they would have been kind of teamed up, right, like comrades, running around on a summer day, what are we going to do next? And I don't know if they had that kind of relationship though he seemed to be by himself.

Maybe he was a sickly child. In eighteen seventy six, when Eugene was just seven years old, he almost died from pneumonia. He was dangerously ill for three days. Still, Eugene seemed almost aloof as he grew older. But the family had bigger problems than a distant younger brother, Cleo. Bert seemed to have mental health issues. Considering that today almost twenty percent of American adults are experiencing mental illness, it's not surprising it was present one hundred and fifty years ago. Hard to know what that percentage was back in the eighteen hundreds because there were very few distinctions between symptoms that were connected to behavior. Even epilepsy was considered a mental illness at the time, and as we've talked about in other seasons, in the early eighteen hundreds, humane care for the mentally ill was not the norm. In eighteen eighty four, when Eugene was just about fifteen, a local newspaper reported that Cleo took a train out of town with her son. The paper said that it was in the interest of her health, that's all. It said. She had been previously institutionalized for having frequent outbursts, and they seemed to begin with her last pregnancy. When she was pregnant with Eugene. Doctor Bird had many friends, most of them were fellow physicians. Monica Ballard says that doctor Bert told one friend that he worried about his young son's future because of his mother's pregnancy.

Maybe he was a sickly child. In eighteen seventy six, when Eugene was just seven years old, he almost died from pneumonia. He was dangerously ill for three days. Still, Eugene seemed almost aloof as he grew older. But the family had bigger problems than a distant younger brother, Cleo. Bert seemed to have mental health issues. Considering that today almost twenty percent of American adults are experiencing mental illness, it's not surprising it was present one hundred and fifty years ago. Hard to know what that percentage was back in the eighteen hundreds because there were very few distinctions between symptoms that were connected to behavior. Even epilepsy was considered a mental illness at the time, and as we've talked about in other seasons, in the early eighteen hundreds, humane care for the mentally ill was not the norm. In eighteen eighty four, when Eugene was just about fifteen, a local newspaper reported that Cleo took a train out of town with her son. The paper said that it was in the interest of her health, that's all. It said. She had been previously institutionalized for having frequent outbursts, and they seemed to begin with her last pregnancy. When she was pregnant with Eugene. Doctor Bird had many friends, most of them were fellow physicians. Monica Ballard says that doctor Bert told one friend that he worried about his young son's future because of his mother's pregnancy.

Doctor Bert was very concerned about his son because when his wife was pregnant with him, she had a very difficult pregnancy. She had moments of mania where she had to be restrained. He was concerned because insanity did run in his wife's family, and so when he saw these predilections come forth in Eugene. He expressed to doctor Smoot his concern about the mental health of William Eugene.

Doctor Bert was very concerned about his son because when his wife was pregnant with him, she had a very difficult pregnancy. She had moments of mania where she had to be restrained. He was concerned because insanity did run in his wife's family, and so when he saw these predilections come forth in Eugene. He expressed to doctor Smoot his concern about the mental health of William Eugene.

But the trip she took with Eugene was likely for a reason other than mental health concerns. That year, Cleo lost her eyesight and later she lost her hearing, and those afflictions would plague her for the rest of her life, which didn't help her mental illness. And then it turns out that mental illness was present in many of c Leo Palmer Birt's close relatives. According to doctor Bird, Patricia Childs did extensive research on this part of Cleo's family, the family tree she's part of.

But the trip she took with Eugene was likely for a reason other than mental health concerns. That year, Cleo lost her eyesight and later she lost her hearing, and those afflictions would plague her for the rest of her life, which didn't help her mental illness. And then it turns out that mental illness was present in many of c Leo Palmer Birt's close relatives. According to doctor Bird, Patricia Childs did extensive research on this part of Cleo's family, the family tree she's part of.

I have this radily stack of stuff here that I had all spread out like a deck of cards on the table before me.

I have this radily stack of stuff here that I had all spread out like a deck of cards on the table before me.

She found information on Cleo's father, Eugene's maternal grandfather.

She found information on Cleo's father, Eugene's maternal grandfather.

Just a second, I have a piece of paper here. I went to a census and I was actually able to track the family through the census, and it kept showing this individual as a This was the Silas Boone Palmer, who was said to have some difficulties.

Just a second, I have a piece of paper here. I went to a census and I was actually able to track the family through the census, and it kept showing this individual as a This was the Silas Boone Palmer, who was said to have some difficulties.

Psychiatrists had labeled Silas Boone Palmer as legally insane, and he was admitted to a mental health facility in Georgia, where her family was from. After Silas was released. Leo's father had to have a guardian for three years.

Psychiatrists had labeled Silas Boone Palmer as legally insane, and he was admitted to a mental health facility in Georgia, where her family was from. After Silas was released. Leo's father had to have a guardian for three years.

Yes, he was and of sanitarium for a couple of years. Someone had taken over his farming, so that looked like a likely clue. That's something wonderful you can do when you're working through the records, when you can find something tangible that way. I'm sure you do that a lot.

Yes, he was and of sanitarium for a couple of years. Someone had taken over his farming, so that looked like a likely clue. That's something wonderful you can do when you're working through the records, when you can find something tangible that way. I'm sure you do that a lot.

Leo's brother had also been committed, but then he died at the age of twenty. I don't know why. She had another sister who was described as an invalid, and at least three cousins with epilepsy, which I've mentioned several times was considered a mental illness. So mental health issues were actually relatively common on Eugene Bert's mother's side. But it didn't stop there. Doctor Bert admitted to mental illness on his side of the family too. His grandfather suffered from what the doctors called violent herooxysms, which essentially means that he had emotional outbursts. The doctor wrote in his report that doctor Bert's grandfather quote gradually went down into stupidity and died. Doctor Burt also had numerous cousins with epilepsy. At least that was a diagnosis in the mid eighteen hundreds. Many of these people that were talking about are men, but for Cleo Bert, a woman, the diagnosis might not have been particularly objective.

Leo's brother had also been committed, but then he died at the age of twenty. I don't know why. She had another sister who was described as an invalid, and at least three cousins with epilepsy, which I've mentioned several times was considered a mental illness. So mental health issues were actually relatively common on Eugene Bert's mother's side. But it didn't stop there. Doctor Bert admitted to mental illness on his side of the family too. His grandfather suffered from what the doctors called violent herooxysms, which essentially means that he had emotional outbursts. The doctor wrote in his report that doctor Bert's grandfather quote gradually went down into stupidity and died. Doctor Burt also had numerous cousins with epilepsy. At least that was a diagnosis in the mid eighteen hundreds. Many of these people that were talking about are men, but for Cleo Bert, a woman, the diagnosis might not have been particularly objective.

Victorian women were, you know, oh my god, they were so straight laced and literally buttoned up, cinched up tight to the point where they suffered from hysteria mainly because they couldn't breathe because of the corsets. They were so bound up under rigorous fashion requirements that they could not catch their breaths, so they were said to be suffering from hysteria, and they were given smelling salts. You know, the whole Victorian sanitarium sanatorium sort of arrangement, where there was this theory that if the exterior surroundings are calm and pleasant to experience, and then your insides will be calm and pleasant as well.

Victorian women were, you know, oh my god, they were so straight laced and literally buttoned up, cinched up tight to the point where they suffered from hysteria mainly because they couldn't breathe because of the corsets. They were so bound up under rigorous fashion requirements that they could not catch their breaths, so they were said to be suffering from hysteria, and they were given smelling salts. You know, the whole Victorian sanitarium sanatorium sort of arrangement, where there was this theory that if the exterior surroundings are calm and pleasant to experience, and then your insides will be calm and pleasant as well.

And then you would finally be pleasant and you would behave normally.

And then you would finally be pleasant and you would behave normally.

And that's why so many of the asylums and sanitariums and sanatoriums where these places where people would take the family not to go inside mind you, but to enjoy the grounds and go and see the swans of the lake, and feed the ducks and have picnics on the grounds of the asylum.

And that's why so many of the asylums and sanitariums and sanatoriums where these places where people would take the family not to go inside mind you, but to enjoy the grounds and go and see the swans of the lake, and feed the ducks and have picnics on the grounds of the asylum.

We know that mental illness ran throughout the family of Eugene's mother, Cleo Palmer. Julian Norton is related to Cleo, and she says that she hasn't been at all surprise to learn about the depth of the history of mental health struggles in her own family.

We know that mental illness ran throughout the family of Eugene's mother, Cleo Palmer. Julian Norton is related to Cleo, and she says that she hasn't been at all surprise to learn about the depth of the history of mental health struggles in her own family.

I do know that there is in every family, not just mine, some mental illness, some psychotic breaks that happen.

I do know that there is in every family, not just mine, some mental illness, some psychotic breaks that happen.

Later, Julie will talk about her own sister struggle with a different issue, one that will need to talk about with this case, schizophrenia. So Eugene Bird's mental health issues were muddled and unclear. There was certainly a family history of mental illness, but with Eugene the issues were covered up if he had them at all. Still, clues from his past might tell us something, and they might also point us towards what would happen with him in the future. Monica Ballard says that Eugene was certainly a very troubled child. He stole, he lied, that happens I did both of them those things when I was a kid, not a lot, but I learned my lesson eventually. When Eugene was eight, he stole a neighbor's purse. When he finally confessed, he said he wanted the coins inside. He planned to take them and put them under a rock in the backyard, which would cause them to rot and turn to gold. It's hard to know how serious that incident was, but doctor Smoot the family friend in Eugene's father both shamed the boy, trying to scare him into never stealing again. But the tactic didn't work, and soon Eugene began showing more disturbing behavior. The biggest and most disturbing incident happened later that same year.

Later, Julie will talk about her own sister struggle with a different issue, one that will need to talk about with this case, schizophrenia. So Eugene Bird's mental health issues were muddled and unclear. There was certainly a family history of mental illness, but with Eugene the issues were covered up if he had them at all. Still, clues from his past might tell us something, and they might also point us towards what would happen with him in the future. Monica Ballard says that Eugene was certainly a very troubled child. He stole, he lied, that happens I did both of them those things when I was a kid, not a lot, but I learned my lesson eventually. When Eugene was eight, he stole a neighbor's purse. When he finally confessed, he said he wanted the coins inside. He planned to take them and put them under a rock in the backyard, which would cause them to rot and turn to gold. It's hard to know how serious that incident was, but doctor Smoot the family friend in Eugene's father both shamed the boy, trying to scare him into never stealing again. But the tactic didn't work, and soon Eugene began showing more disturbing behavior. The biggest and most disturbing incident happened later that same year.

He killed his brother Roscoe's rabbit, drove a twenty penny nail through its midsection. Doctor Bert and doctor Smoot found the rabbit in the backyard, and Eugene OneD up to it and said, oh, yeah, I want to be a doctor like my father, and I wanted to cut it open and see how it worked.

He killed his brother Roscoe's rabbit, drove a twenty penny nail through its midsection. Doctor Bert and doctor Smoot found the rabbit in the backyard, and Eugene OneD up to it and said, oh, yeah, I want to be a doctor like my father, and I wanted to cut it open and see how it worked.

Eugene was just eight, so clearly there's a lot to talk about with that incident. It's violent and shocking and upsetting, and it traumatized Roscoe and worried his parents. But at the same time, Eugene didn't deny it. He wasn't mad at Roscoe, and he didn't do it out of revenge. He said he did it out of curiosity. Patricia Charles wonders if Eugene Burt as a teenager was actually not mentally ill, what if he should have had a different diagnosis.

Eugene was just eight, so clearly there's a lot to talk about with that incident. It's violent and shocking and upsetting, and it traumatized Roscoe and worried his parents. But at the same time, Eugene didn't deny it. He wasn't mad at Roscoe, and he didn't do it out of revenge. He said he did it out of curiosity. Patricia Charles wonders if Eugene Burt as a teenager was actually not mentally ill, what if he should have had a different diagnosis.

He was a very unusual fifteen year old, because he was a very unusual young man. I think today we might use the word sociopath or a psychopath. Something like that would have the possibility of bringing up an excitement or an interest in him that would go with some of the descriptions that people gave of his childhood proclivities, which you call them. Really, he seemed to fixate on things in an odd kind of way.

He was a very unusual fifteen year old, because he was a very unusual young man. I think today we might use the word sociopath or a psychopath. Something like that would have the possibility of bringing up an excitement or an interest in him that would go with some of the descriptions that people gave of his childhood proclivities, which you call them. Really, he seemed to fixate on things in an odd kind of way.

Eugene killed Roscoe's rabbit just a few years before the term psychopath was coined in Germany in the eighteen eighties. Psychopathy comes from the Greek roots meaning suffering soul, which is interesting because it seems like those who actually suffer the most are the people in the psychopath's orbit. Of course, the person with psychopathy might have their own internal struggles, or maybe not so. Did Eugene's act of murdering a rabbit in such a ghastly way mean he was destined to kill people? We hear often how fledgling serial killers begin testing murder on animals. Perhaps Eugene Burt wasn't mentally ill, or perhaps he also wasn't someone with psychopathy. A few of the folks I spoke with suspect that Eugene had seen his father, the city physic pysician, at work with dead bodies. Perhaps he had just become disaffected by death and curious about it, as his father was. Doctor Christine Montrose is an associate professor of psychiatry at Brown University. She's also an inpatient psychiatrist who performs forensic psychiatric examinations. I asked her about red flags in childhood.

Eugene killed Roscoe's rabbit just a few years before the term psychopath was coined in Germany in the eighteen eighties. Psychopathy comes from the Greek roots meaning suffering soul, which is interesting because it seems like those who actually suffer the most are the people in the psychopath's orbit. Of course, the person with psychopathy might have their own internal struggles, or maybe not so. Did Eugene's act of murdering a rabbit in such a ghastly way mean he was destined to kill people? We hear often how fledgling serial killers begin testing murder on animals. Perhaps Eugene Burt wasn't mentally ill, or perhaps he also wasn't someone with psychopathy. A few of the folks I spoke with suspect that Eugene had seen his father, the city physic pysician, at work with dead bodies. Perhaps he had just become disaffected by death and curious about it, as his father was. Doctor Christine Montrose is an associate professor of psychiatry at Brown University. She's also an inpatient psychiatrist who performs forensic psychiatric examinations. I asked her about red flags in childhood.

There are a collection of behaviors in childhood that can raise a flag of concern for what we think of as sociopathy and an adult. So you know, when we do forensic evaluations, there are some courts for which you would ask questions of the descendants. What kind of questions so things like did you steal from people? Did you steal from people? Behind their back, or did you take things from people directly? Did you ever set fires intending to cause damage? Did you get school a lot before the age of thirteen? Did you run away from home more than a couple times? But you know, before the age of thirteen? How much trouble did you and your friends get into? Did you were you physically violent? Did you ever use a weapon to hurt someone? Were you ever physically or sexually cruel to someone else?

There are a collection of behaviors in childhood that can raise a flag of concern for what we think of as sociopathy and an adult. So you know, when we do forensic evaluations, there are some courts for which you would ask questions of the descendants. What kind of questions so things like did you steal from people? Did you steal from people? Behind their back, or did you take things from people directly? Did you ever set fires intending to cause damage? Did you get school a lot before the age of thirteen? Did you run away from home more than a couple times? But you know, before the age of thirteen? How much trouble did you and your friends get into? Did you were you physically violent? Did you ever use a weapon to hurt someone? Were you ever physically or sexually cruel to someone else?

What about hurting animals?

What about hurting animals?

Cruelty to animals is one of those questions that raises a flag. I think when you think about children and the ability of a child to calm an animal or maybe even take pleasure in harming an animal, that's a flag for concern.

Cruelty to animals is one of those questions that raises a flag. I think when you think about children and the ability of a child to calm an animal or maybe even take pleasure in harming an animal, that's a flag for concern.

But it's likely a combination of these actions, maybe not just one.

But it's likely a combination of these actions, maybe not just one.

Right, There have been studies that indicate that children who demonstrate a collection of these kinds of behaviors can be at greater risk of developing sociopathy later in life.

Right, There have been studies that indicate that children who demonstrate a collection of these kinds of behaviors can be at greater risk of developing sociopathy later in life.

Eugene Birt had exhibited I had quite a few of the behavior's bad choices on doctor Montrose's list. He had stolen, he had lied, and he was cruel to animals or at least one animal that we know of, and as he grew older, Eugene never quite seemed to get it together, and he had trouble holding down a job. By eighteen eighty eight, his brothers Monty and Roscoe were married with children and they had several different businesses. When Roscoe got married, the blurb in the paper read, mister Bert is one of our most active and progressive young businessmen. But Eugene, who was the youngest, never seemed to have that kind of ambition. And then something happened. Eugene met a young woman who loved him and she saw the good in him. Her name was Anna Powers. Her family called her Annie, and she wanted to settle down and have children with Eugene. Annie and Eugene lived in Austin on Seventh Street and Brazos, not far from her mother, Elizabeth Powers, as well as her sister, Agnes. Elizabeth was originally from Waterford, Ireland, and they were a traditional Irish Catholic family. Agnes and Annie were seven years apart, but they were very close and later in life, Annie's sister and her mother would become her strongest advocates. Annie Powers was four months older than Eugene and he swept her off her feet.

Eugene Birt had exhibited I had quite a few of the behavior's bad choices on doctor Montrose's list. He had stolen, he had lied, and he was cruel to animals or at least one animal that we know of, and as he grew older, Eugene never quite seemed to get it together, and he had trouble holding down a job. By eighteen eighty eight, his brothers Monty and Roscoe were married with children and they had several different businesses. When Roscoe got married, the blurb in the paper read, mister Bert is one of our most active and progressive young businessmen. But Eugene, who was the youngest, never seemed to have that kind of ambition. And then something happened. Eugene met a young woman who loved him and she saw the good in him. Her name was Anna Powers. Her family called her Annie, and she wanted to settle down and have children with Eugene. Annie and Eugene lived in Austin on Seventh Street and Brazos, not far from her mother, Elizabeth Powers, as well as her sister, Agnes. Elizabeth was originally from Waterford, Ireland, and they were a traditional Irish Catholic family. Agnes and Annie were seven years apart, but they were very close and later in life, Annie's sister and her mother would become her strongest advocates. Annie Powers was four months older than Eugene and he swept her off her feet.

It's hard to tell how they met exactly, but she was in the right place at the right time.

It's hard to tell how they met exactly, but she was in the right place at the right time.

On December fourteenth, eighteen ninety one, Annie Powers married William Eugene Burt as was custom The local paper wrote a blurb about it. It read, the wedding was a quiet affair, only the family of both parties being present. After partaking of an elegant supper prepared by mister J. B. Bilinson, the happy couple left on the evening train for New Orleans. And he didn't seem to mind that Eugene had trouble keeping a job, maybe because she didn't have trouble keeping a job.

On December fourteenth, eighteen ninety one, Annie Powers married William Eugene Burt as was custom The local paper wrote a blurb about it. It read, the wedding was a quiet affair, only the family of both parties being present. After partaking of an elegant supper prepared by mister J. B. Bilinson, the happy couple left on the evening train for New Orleans. And he didn't seem to mind that Eugene had trouble keeping a job, maybe because she didn't have trouble keeping a job.

It looks like Bert's wife was a bookkeeper before they married, and perhaps while they were married, so she might have worked for the brothers.

It looks like Bert's wife was a bookkeeper before they married, and perhaps while they were married, so she might have worked for the brothers.

So Eugene's fiance was working with his brothers, and soon so was he. But as you can imagine, Eugene's childhood habits of lying and cheating and stealing didn't stop when he became an adult. In fact, historian Monica Ballard says they became more serious.

So Eugene's fiance was working with his brothers, and soon so was he. But as you can imagine, Eugene's childhood habits of lying and cheating and stealing didn't stop when he became an adult. In fact, historian Monica Ballard says they became more serious.

His brothers gave him every break possible, trying to set him up in his own business as with a cigar store in New Orleans, and he pissed the money away. What happened, He never even made it to New Orleans. He ended up in East Texas, writing to them saying, oh, I got sick and I need more money, and oo is that and the other, and they finally just said, you know what, come back to Austin. Come back. We'll give you a job in the shoes tour.

His brothers gave him every break possible, trying to set him up in his own business as with a cigar store in New Orleans, and he pissed the money away. What happened, He never even made it to New Orleans. He ended up in East Texas, writing to them saying, oh, I got sick and I need more money, and oo is that and the other, and they finally just said, you know what, come back to Austin. Come back. We'll give you a job in the shoes tour.

I'm assuming this was another big mistake.

I'm assuming this was another big mistake.

He would give merchandise away to people and he'd say, take the shoes for a day and I'll find you. If you like the shoes, you can give me the money for them. And he would go and find them and say, yeah, we like the shoes, and he collect the money. And then you go back and tell his brothers, no, they didn't like the shoes and they're not going to give you the money.

He would give merchandise away to people and he'd say, take the shoes for a day and I'll find you. If you like the shoes, you can give me the money for them. And he would go and find them and say, yeah, we like the shoes, and he collect the money. And then you go back and tell his brothers, no, they didn't like the shoes and they're not going to give you the money.

So Eugene Burt was a thief and he wasn't above stealing from his own brothers.

So Eugene Burt was a thief and he wasn't above stealing from his own brothers.

You've got successful brothers, you have an unsuccessful brother. Their sibling competition no matter what you say. You have a mother that's going through apparently mental illness, and he's an angry human being.

You've got successful brothers, you have an unsuccessful brother. Their sibling competition no matter what you say. You have a mother that's going through apparently mental illness, and he's an angry human being.

Eugene was a terrible businessman, and he seemed like an angry, bitter jerk who valued nothing and no one but himself. But that's not quite true, because even though Eugene might have been a failure at just about everything, he seem to be a good husband and a good father. The couple had been married for just two years when they had their first daughter, Lucille, in eighteen ninety three. Then two years later Eleanor came along. Neighbors said that Eugene doted on the two little girls. He helped Annie around the house. He even cooked dinners for them, which was really unheard of in the eighteen hundreds. So why did things go so wrong for Eugene Burt that I'm now spending an entire season talking about the lives of his victims? Because in eighteen ninety six, Eugene Burt would make a terrible decision, the last terrible decision in a long series of terrible decisions. The scene that he'd go on to create inside his home one summer night wasn't exactly unique to him. More than a decade earlier, when he joined his father in the home of one of the servant girl annihilator victims. Eugene Burt had seen blood, he had smelled a corpse, and he had felt the blade of a murder weapon. It was a moment he would never forget.

Eugene was a terrible businessman, and he seemed like an angry, bitter jerk who valued nothing and no one but himself. But that's not quite true, because even though Eugene might have been a failure at just about everything, he seem to be a good husband and a good father. The couple had been married for just two years when they had their first daughter, Lucille, in eighteen ninety three. Then two years later Eleanor came along. Neighbors said that Eugene doted on the two little girls. He helped Annie around the house. He even cooked dinners for them, which was really unheard of in the eighteen hundreds. So why did things go so wrong for Eugene Burt that I'm now spending an entire season talking about the lives of his victims? Because in eighteen ninety six, Eugene Burt would make a terrible decision, the last terrible decision in a long series of terrible decisions. The scene that he'd go on to create inside his home one summer night wasn't exactly unique to him. More than a decade earlier, when he joined his father in the home of one of the servant girl annihilator victims. Eugene Burt had seen blood, he had smelled a corpse, and he had felt the blade of a murder weapon. It was a moment he would never forget.

Think about this. Then ten years go by and this is, you know, seething and percolating in him. Maybe it just becomes too much.

Think about this. Then ten years go by and this is, you know, seething and percolating in him. Maybe it just becomes too much.

So could this violent scene from Eugene's past, a shocking image of a lobotomized victim hacked to death with an axe on Christmas Eve? Could it have become etched in his memory permanently? And could that image compel Eugene Bert to kill his relative. Julie Norton says she's certain that Eugene Bert is not the first murderer in her family.

So could this violent scene from Eugene's past, a shocking image of a lobotomized victim hacked to death with an axe on Christmas Eve? Could it have become etched in his memory permanently? And could that image compel Eugene Bert to kill his relative. Julie Norton says she's certain that Eugene Bert is not the first murderer in her family.

It's not surprising. You've all got these stories in our family. You've all got good stories and an't got bad stories. My family's been in this country long enough. Named something bad that happened, they were part of that. You have to acknowledge it. It's all there.

It's not surprising. You've all got these stories in our family. You've all got good stories and an't got bad stories. My family's been in this country long enough. Named something bad that happened, they were part of that. You have to acknowledge it. It's all there.

But knows that not everyone has this kind of history in their own families. Eugene Bird had a troubling childhood and an even more troubling adulthood, and yet he could have righted his ship. It's too bad for everyone that he chose to sink it soon. People close to him would die, some by his hand, some not. But who, and maybe even more importantly, why on this season of tenfold war wicked on exactly right?

But knows that not everyone has this kind of history in their own families. Eugene Bird had a troubling childhood and an even more troubling adulthood, and yet he could have righted his ship. It's too bad for everyone that he chose to sink it soon. People close to him would die, some by his hand, some not. But who, and maybe even more importantly, why on this season of tenfold war wicked on exactly right?

I mean, it's it's such a bizarre and traumatic set of facts for a fifteen year old to experience, and the knowledge of all the other murders that were taking place, it certainly could influence someone who is already predisposed to an unbalanced situation.

I mean, it's it's such a bizarre and traumatic set of facts for a fifteen year old to experience, and the knowledge of all the other murders that were taking place, it certainly could influence someone who is already predisposed to an unbalanced situation.

When I look at a criminal, I am offended by that person, But I also feel like there is some cause, something that drove him crazy.

When I look at a criminal, I am offended by that person, But I also feel like there is some cause, something that drove him crazy.

What was it?

What was it?

The only person that said he was acting strangely on that day of the murders was his housekeeper, and she mentioned that he was frantic and walking quickly.

The only person that said he was acting strangely on that day of the murders was his housekeeper, and she mentioned that he was frantic and walking quickly.

She expressed to her mother that Eugene's behavior was getting a little odd that she would wake up to find him standing over her watching her sleep.

She expressed to her mother that Eugene's behavior was getting a little odd that she would wake up to find him standing over her watching her sleep.

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If you love a good real ghost story, my new audiobook original The Ghost Club is available for pre order now wherever audiobooks are sold. I can't wait to tell you the real story about the world's most famous ghost hunter, who was the head of the world's most famous ghost club, and how he investigated England's most famous haunted house. Please also check out my new book All That Is Wicked. This has been an exactly right Tenfold War. Media production producers Jason Whaling, Alexis Mrosi and Natalie Rinn. Editors Jason Whaling, David Fabello and Kate Winkler Dawson researcher Kate Winkler Dawson, sound designer Eric Friend, composer Curtis Heath, artwork by Nick Toga. Executive producers Georgia Hartstark, Karen Kilgarriff and Daniel Kramer. Follow us on Instagram and Facebook at tenfold war Wicked and on Twitter at tenfold War. And If you know of a historical crime that could use some attention, especially if it happened in your family, email us at info at Tenfoldwarwicked dot com.