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You've heard across the last four episodes, the harrowing story of Lee and Emma Lovell and their kids, these kids making choices to do what they're doing, and Aaron and his wife Christine.

You've heard across the last four episodes, the harrowing story of Lee and Emma Lovell and their kids, these kids making choices to do what they're doing, and Aaron and his wife Christine.

I get that they use, but clearly lessons had not been learned.

I get that they use, but clearly lessons had not been learned.

We've heard from people trying to make a difference.

We've heard from people trying to make a difference.

Every day there's an opportunity for an adult to see a young person in a different light and provide them with that pathway to being a good human. And every day there's a choice of that young person to be a good human and to feel like they have an opportunity.

Every day there's an opportunity for an adult to see a young person in a different light and provide them with that pathway to being a good human. And every day there's a choice of that young person to be a good human and to feel like they have an opportunity.

And some of the youths that have turned to crime.

And some of the youths that have turned to crime.

Bigger quantities of ice and sell it to friends and friends.

Bigger quantities of ice and sell it to friends and friends.

But after all this noise, all the news reports and headlines, what happens to people like Lee and his two daughters when they go home and try to continue a normal life while they're in grief, living in the same house that their mum and wife was murdered in.

But after all this noise, all the news reports and headlines, what happens to people like Lee and his two daughters when they go home and try to continue a normal life while they're in grief, living in the same house that their mum and wife was murdered in.

Well, initially.

Well, initially.

I suppose I was like pretty numb from it a lot, you know, a lot of it, And I suppose to a certain extent, like I really struggle to grief forever. And I think it's because you get like a I found like I've had a preconception of what grief should look like, and you know, you see a lot of that from you know, I suppose you know from TVs and movies where you know some women and you know they sort of the can't get out of bed, don't want to get out of bed, struggle to sort of just live life and do things. And you know, I've read before about even some people that get up and get their kids to school and then just go back to bed because they just find the day too hard. But I don't know if this never never found that sounds funny, But in some ways I wish I had that, you know, But I just I went back to work like six weeks after the event happened, and in hindsights, I wish I would take a longer of work. And it wasn't because I want to go back to work, like you know, it was just that my work paid me compassionately for a month, and then after that I was dis expected to use my sick leave and I didn't have some hours to take. But you don't know what the future is going to bring. I think even though I was like genuinely sick, later on, you might need some of that time. So and I think also ways, I just didn't necessarily want to be like sitting at home by myself, like just.

I suppose I was like pretty numb from it a lot, you know, a lot of it, And I suppose to a certain extent, like I really struggle to grief forever. And I think it's because you get like a I found like I've had a preconception of what grief should look like, and you know, you see a lot of that from you know, I suppose you know from TVs and movies where you know some women and you know they sort of the can't get out of bed, don't want to get out of bed, struggle to sort of just live life and do things. And you know, I've read before about even some people that get up and get their kids to school and then just go back to bed because they just find the day too hard. But I don't know if this never never found that sounds funny, But in some ways I wish I had that, you know, But I just I went back to work like six weeks after the event happened, and in hindsights, I wish I would take a longer of work. And it wasn't because I want to go back to work, like you know, it was just that my work paid me compassionately for a month, and then after that I was dis expected to use my sick leave and I didn't have some hours to take. But you don't know what the future is going to bring. I think even though I was like genuinely sick, later on, you might need some of that time. So and I think also ways, I just didn't necessarily want to be like sitting at home by myself, like just.

You know, contemplating what happened.

You know, contemplating what happened.

So I went back to work, and I really struggled to grieve, like I said, because you sort of you got to work, you got to work full time a professional, and then you've got to come home and then cook meals and run a house and make sure the kids are eating well. And I've got to connincids for school and everything else. So and then it just failed at times. There was then a little time forever, and you know, you can't just switch those feelings on, and you can't just I now I've got a couple of hours to sit down and think about him. You can't just like start crying. And it's doesn't work like that for me. And I think also partly for me, it was like because our house was like an active crime scene for like two or three days and we couldn't come home, and so I remember like walking in the door initially and because the police had gone around were there like printing dust stuff, and it was. It wasn't necessarily in the hallways because they had a cleaning crew came around, but you could still see it. And then obviously, you know, the house was still a little bit untiny from Boxing Day and Christmas.

So I went back to work, and I really struggled to grieve, like I said, because you sort of you got to work, you got to work full time a professional, and then you've got to come home and then cook meals and run a house and make sure the kids are eating well. And I've got to connincids for school and everything else. So and then it just failed at times. There was then a little time forever, and you know, you can't just switch those feelings on, and you can't just I now I've got a couple of hours to sit down and think about him. You can't just like start crying. And it's doesn't work like that for me. And I think also partly for me, it was like because our house was like an active crime scene for like two or three days and we couldn't come home, and so I remember like walking in the door initially and because the police had gone around were there like printing dust stuff, and it was. It wasn't necessarily in the hallways because they had a cleaning crew came around, but you could still see it. And then obviously, you know, the house was still a little bit untiny from Boxing Day and Christmas.

So I remember like walking in the door and think, I need to keep busy.

So I remember like walking in the door and think, I need to keep busy.

You know, I had a tidy way to ironing board and cups and glasses and you know, and for a lot a lot of time it sees off now, but for a lot of times, a lot of months, it was like.

You know, I had a tidy way to ironing board and cups and glasses and you know, and for a lot a lot of time it sees off now, but for a lot of times, a lot of months, it was like.

I got to keep busy.

I got to keep busy.

And even at times when you know, I suppose I'd felt everything I could do in a house cleaning or whatever, and I sit down, and then I would feel guilty for like not doing something, not to allowing myself to sit down and have a moment to watch a film or watching TV or have a coffee rather than being up and tidying the house and cooking food and whatever. And so yeah, I think I think a lot of it is just like I said, I'll always end up back of my mind about I think that's you know, that keeping busy attitude and the mentality is in almost like held off that grief and like coming in do you know what I'm saying, it's like put it out bay, or it's behind putting it behind a door and it won't allow it to come in. So yeah, it's been it's been pretty hard to deal with. But I found that, like listening to music has sort of really helped me at times, and a lot of music that really meant nothing to him and I, but music I found recently or you know, because I've got like hour's drive to work and.

And even at times when you know, I suppose I'd felt everything I could do in a house cleaning or whatever, and I sit down, and then I would feel guilty for like not doing something, not to allowing myself to sit down and have a moment to watch a film or watching TV or have a coffee rather than being up and tidying the house and cooking food and whatever. And so yeah, I think I think a lot of it is just like I said, I'll always end up back of my mind about I think that's you know, that keeping busy attitude and the mentality is in almost like held off that grief and like coming in do you know what I'm saying, it's like put it out bay, or it's behind putting it behind a door and it won't allow it to come in. So yeah, it's been it's been pretty hard to deal with. But I found that, like listening to music has sort of really helped me at times, and a lot of music that really meant nothing to him and I, but music I found recently or you know, because I've got like hour's drive to work and.

Sometimes to put music on and cry in the truck.

Sometimes to put music on and cry in the truck.

So initially, like when when the sort of funeral and everything was like kicking off, like it was initially like sort of you know, ten plus people staying in our house, but then a few of them you know, went back to England reasonably early. They then went back and it was just then the girls and I, you know, and I don't know.

So initially, like when when the sort of funeral and everything was like kicking off, like it was initially like sort of you know, ten plus people staying in our house, but then a few of them you know, went back to England reasonably early. They then went back and it was just then the girls and I, you know, and I don't know.

It was weird, just the three of us being in a house.

It was weird, just the three of us being in a house.

For Lee not having much family in Australia, he needed the community to come together, and for the most part they did. He had some close friends and strangers off for a get help.

For Lee not having much family in Australia, he needed the community to come together, and for the most part they did. He had some close friends and strangers off for a get help.

But I've had a fair bit of support from people since then, you know, like I said, like Emma used to do whining for people, and there was one lady there like Brenda, you know, especially surprise to me really, like just her support that she'd been offering us has been been outstanding, really, like you know, she and her husband, you know, use some cars on the day and the funeral to ferry some people around, and you know, she's.

But I've had a fair bit of support from people since then, you know, like I said, like Emma used to do whining for people, and there was one lady there like Brenda, you know, especially surprise to me really, like just her support that she'd been offering us has been been outstanding, really, like you know, she and her husband, you know, use some cars on the day and the funeral to ferry some people around, and you know, she's.

Kept in contact when it works.

Kept in contact when it works.

Sometimes I have to put down you know, like next of kin and e merchant number and obviously always used to put Emma down, but it's those little things afterwards you think elvide I put down. So I started putting a white Brenda down as my emergency number because she only works in like North Lakes. And yeah, like just other people through the girls school friends that we've known have helped run the kids around at times, and you know, other friends like Crystal Airs have you know, helped with running the kids around and we catch up on that other stuff. So I suppose it's not the same as having a family around. And the girls and I went back to the UK for Christmas. This one just gone because I didn't want to be here for the first anniversary and it was just so nice being around the family and friends and just having their support, and I don't know there was a nice thing.

Sometimes I have to put down you know, like next of kin and e merchant number and obviously always used to put Emma down, but it's those little things afterwards you think elvide I put down. So I started putting a white Brenda down as my emergency number because she only works in like North Lakes. And yeah, like just other people through the girls school friends that we've known have helped run the kids around at times, and you know, other friends like Crystal Airs have you know, helped with running the kids around and we catch up on that other stuff. So I suppose it's not the same as having a family around. And the girls and I went back to the UK for Christmas. This one just gone because I didn't want to be here for the first anniversary and it was just so nice being around the family and friends and just having their support, and I don't know there was a nice thing.

We've heard about the support that's offered to you to help rehabilitate them, but what's offered for victims of crime like Lee and his kids. If you're a victim of crime in Queensland, you can contact the Queensland Health Victim Support Service for free counseling and support. Victims. Assist also helps with financial assistance with medical expenses, counseling, loss of earnings, and legal expenses. There are also special provisions for expenses after a homicide or for people witnessing violence. Lee has been pretty complimentary about the support he eventually received. However, was disappointed by some of the procedures that happened around the night of Emma's death and when he was dropped back to his house across the next twenty four hours.

We've heard about the support that's offered to you to help rehabilitate them, but what's offered for victims of crime like Lee and his kids. If you're a victim of crime in Queensland, you can contact the Queensland Health Victim Support Service for free counseling and support. Victims. Assist also helps with financial assistance with medical expenses, counseling, loss of earnings, and legal expenses. There are also special provisions for expenses after a homicide or for people witnessing violence. Lee has been pretty complimentary about the support he eventually received. However, was disappointed by some of the procedures that happened around the night of Emma's death and when he was dropped back to his house across the next twenty four hours.

Like I don't want to seem like I'm criticizing like the police, and I'm sure there maybe like they've you know, maybe there's policies, procedures they've got to deal with. I don't know, but I suppose from our family point of view, like like I said, like that evening, like there was you know, like I said, initially the girls around down in Cat's house and then you know, Christ and Liz turned up and from my understanding, like you know, obviously a lot of the kids or the girls went with them.

Like I don't want to seem like I'm criticizing like the police, and I'm sure there maybe like they've you know, maybe there's policies, procedures they've got to deal with. I don't know, but I suppose from our family point of view, like like I said, like that evening, like there was you know, like I said, initially the girls around down in Cat's house and then you know, Christ and Liz turned up and from my understanding, like you know, obviously a lot of the kids or the girls went with them.

The police what.

The police what.

I've let to believe, never asked where they were going, never asked for ID for my friends, never followed up to make sure that they were okay, never went around their house to make sure that it was safe or nothing, you know, that evening, like I said, like I just wanted someone to bring me back to North Lakes and wanted to do it, you know, like I want to someone to come to their house and hold my hand or something, you know, sit with me on I told the kids what would happened, and there was like nothing, and then you know, I don't suppose I feel that they needed to do that interview, like immediately after they could have said that, you know, tell us where you're gonna be and we will come around that house in a few hours time. Go and be with your kids and we'll see you later on tomorrow, you know, that sort of attitude. But then after that there was a QHVREESG the Queensland Home Side Victim of Support group.

I've let to believe, never asked where they were going, never asked for ID for my friends, never followed up to make sure that they were okay, never went around their house to make sure that it was safe or nothing, you know, that evening, like I said, like I just wanted someone to bring me back to North Lakes and wanted to do it, you know, like I want to someone to come to their house and hold my hand or something, you know, sit with me on I told the kids what would happened, and there was like nothing, and then you know, I don't suppose I feel that they needed to do that interview, like immediately after they could have said that, you know, tell us where you're gonna be and we will come around that house in a few hours time. Go and be with your kids and we'll see you later on tomorrow, you know, that sort of attitude. But then after that there was a QHVREESG the Queensland Home Side Victim of Support group.

They sort of got in contact, and they've been.

They sort of got in contact, and they've been.

Really supportive towards me, and I suppose I wastive, but not so much towards the kids really. But that was, you know, I suppose I felt I wanted that support, which is why i've sort of it wasn't necessary for the kids as such, although they have behind the scenes, like you know, they were trying to sort out like counseling for the girls and I. But then but this all takes time, you know, Like I suppose it's gonna make you sound really lazy, but I just maybe wanted someone to tie up at the door or say, hey, let Lee be at this place with this time of the kids, and they'll talk to about you know, rather than like a generalized you know, I can sort something out through you know, headspace, but you need to make contact or do this.

Really supportive towards me, and I suppose I wastive, but not so much towards the kids really. But that was, you know, I suppose I felt I wanted that support, which is why i've sort of it wasn't necessary for the kids as such, although they have behind the scenes, like you know, they were trying to sort out like counseling for the girls and I. But then but this all takes time, you know, Like I suppose it's gonna make you sound really lazy, but I just maybe wanted someone to tie up at the door or say, hey, let Lee be at this place with this time of the kids, and they'll talk to about you know, rather than like a generalized you know, I can sort something out through you know, headspace, but you need to make contact or do this.

Do that. But then it was me then chating the headspace.

Do that. But then it was me then chating the headspace.

And then Lee and Emma's two daughters are teenagers, and after losing their mum and their dad being the headline for school holidays early in February twenty sixteen, they have to go back to school.

And then Lee and Emma's two daughters are teenagers, and after losing their mum and their dad being the headline for school holidays early in February twenty sixteen, they have to go back to school.

The school holidays were finished sort of end of January time, and they went back to school for the first day of school. So and I know what to do that really, I think I thought it was good for them to try and get some sort of normality in their lives and.

The school holidays were finished sort of end of January time, and they went back to school for the first day of school. So and I know what to do that really, I think I thought it was good for them to try and get some sort of normality in their lives and.

Be at school. I still need to learn.

Be at school. I still need to learn.

So and their friends super supportive. I'm guessing Cassie's got a small group of friends that you know. Yeah, I think she found some of supporting them.

So and their friends super supportive. I'm guessing Cassie's got a small group of friends that you know. Yeah, I think she found some of supporting them.

Scarlet maybe initially, but maybe not so much. I don't know. She's had a few issues with friends.

Scarlet maybe initially, but maybe not so much. I don't know. She's had a few issues with friends.

And I I think, and I don't be harsh in saying this, that like taking it to your listening, but I think a lot of bitches, A lot of girls can be bitches, to be honest, that you know, and like they haven't been that great towards Scarlet really, and I think they forget a lot of things pretty easy, and probably because they're so wrapped up in their own lives and maybe some people just don't care that you know, what's happened to her really, So.

And I I think, and I don't be harsh in saying this, that like taking it to your listening, but I think a lot of bitches, A lot of girls can be bitches, to be honest, that you know, and like they haven't been that great towards Scarlet really, and I think they forget a lot of things pretty easy, and probably because they're so wrapped up in their own lives and maybe some people just don't care that you know, what's happened to her really, So.

Yeah, I.

Yeah, I.

Was there ever a time that you thought I can't live in this house, we have to move.

Was there ever a time that you thought I can't live in this house, we have to move.

No, not really, No, it was sort of the opposite, really, I am because when we moved to this house, in January two, at twenty eighteen. It was initially a rental property and through the help of Amma's mum with a deposit amount, we were able to purchase the house. And you know, so we put a fair bit of money into the house, you know, put a new kitchen in, and flooring and decorating and a whole rafter things. Really and I didn't want one, you know, pretty horrific event to take away from the happy times and that's that's in this house. And I just thought also for the kids that you know, if we moved that another house is just going to be like a roof and four walls with no memories in it. At least with this one, you could probably talk about times we've had in the house. But we've got a where the hallway is leading to the kids bedrooms, you know, I've got her on there, and we had some pictures up there anyway, of our family. I've change a few around to have more of Emma up there now and of us as a well, and I put some extra photos up around the house of ever. And I suppose I just I wouldn't necessarily celebrate her life, but I suppose I can't try and keep her name in conversations. You know, we sit at the table like every night till we eat and don't always talk about memories, but you know, sometimes we'll talk about things that have happened or that's happening or whatever, and you know, I try to bring Emma's name into.

No, not really, No, it was sort of the opposite, really, I am because when we moved to this house, in January two, at twenty eighteen. It was initially a rental property and through the help of Amma's mum with a deposit amount, we were able to purchase the house. And you know, so we put a fair bit of money into the house, you know, put a new kitchen in, and flooring and decorating and a whole rafter things. Really and I didn't want one, you know, pretty horrific event to take away from the happy times and that's that's in this house. And I just thought also for the kids that you know, if we moved that another house is just going to be like a roof and four walls with no memories in it. At least with this one, you could probably talk about times we've had in the house. But we've got a where the hallway is leading to the kids bedrooms, you know, I've got her on there, and we had some pictures up there anyway, of our family. I've change a few around to have more of Emma up there now and of us as a well, and I put some extra photos up around the house of ever. And I suppose I just I wouldn't necessarily celebrate her life, but I suppose I can't try and keep her name in conversations. You know, we sit at the table like every night till we eat and don't always talk about memories, but you know, sometimes we'll talk about things that have happened or that's happening or whatever, and you know, I try to bring Emma's name into.

Conversations and.

Conversations and.

Joke to our you know, sort of lean back and talk to her and say, oh, you know, I am a lot of the girls attacking the mick out of.

Joke to our you know, sort of lean back and talk to her and say, oh, you know, I am a lot of the girls attacking the mick out of.

Your or.

Your or.

You know, that sort of stuff.

You know, that sort of stuff.

For they'll you know, they'll say that about her, that sort of stuff.

For they'll you know, they'll say that about her, that sort of stuff.

You know.

You know.

It's just yeah, like I don't I don't want to be forgotten or just not spoken about really.

It's just yeah, like I don't I don't want to be forgotten or just not spoken about really.

So so I am Professor Sally in a Bartlet. I am a group leader in neuroscience in Clinical Sciences at the University of Queensland University of Technology. I am a pharmacist by training, and I also just finished at the clime of counseling. But my main expertise is thirty years of studying the brain and what leads to mental illness and why. One of my main expertise is really is in addiction neuroscience, which fits a lot to what we're going to be talking about today. But also I've worked a lot in trying to educate police, is justice, lawyers, magistrates, and government around trauma informed effects on the brain and what leads people to do what they do. And that's kind of why I also have a podcast called Thriving Minds and why I write books educate the public about this conversation we're about to have.

So so I am Professor Sally in a Bartlet. I am a group leader in neuroscience in Clinical Sciences at the University of Queensland University of Technology. I am a pharmacist by training, and I also just finished at the clime of counseling. But my main expertise is thirty years of studying the brain and what leads to mental illness and why. One of my main expertise is really is in addiction neuroscience, which fits a lot to what we're going to be talking about today. But also I've worked a lot in trying to educate police, is justice, lawyers, magistrates, and government around trauma informed effects on the brain and what leads people to do what they do. And that's kind of why I also have a podcast called Thriving Minds and why I write books educate the public about this conversation we're about to have.

So Selena, thank you for coming on. And I guess my first question is how does early exposure to stress or trauma, like maybe a dysfunctional family environment affect a developing brain.

So Selena, thank you for coming on. And I guess my first question is how does early exposure to stress or trauma, like maybe a dysfunctional family environment affect a developing brain.

Well, that's what causes mental illness and addiction, and it's multi generational, so it doesn't just start with one family. The brains been evolving for two hundred million years of history. And so the first cell born is a brain cell or a nervous system, and that's highly impacted from the day it starts in utero by the environment around it. And that's unequivocal evidence because we now know because we can see inside the brain, we can see inside the womb and show how the environment shapes the nervous system and the person that is to become later. But because it's so disconnected in time. We only look at people and their behavior. We don't understand their human EXAs experience.

Well, that's what causes mental illness and addiction, and it's multi generational, so it doesn't just start with one family. The brains been evolving for two hundred million years of history. And so the first cell born is a brain cell or a nervous system, and that's highly impacted from the day it starts in utero by the environment around it. And that's unequivocal evidence because we now know because we can see inside the brain, we can see inside the womb and show how the environment shapes the nervous system and the person that is to become later. But because it's so disconnected in time. We only look at people and their behavior. We don't understand their human EXAs experience.

We're not necessarily just talking about a family environment that's happening right now. This could be previous generations of family that this trauma has sort.

We're not necessarily just talking about a family environment that's happening right now. This could be previous generations of family that this trauma has sort.

Of oh yeah, we know that for certain because we can now sequence every cell in your body or your DNA to put it in a simple way for people to understand. Think about the Holocaust. So someone's in the Holocaust, they survive, then they go on to have children. The third generation of those children, even though they never saw the Holocaust, still experience some aspects of how that was handled by the family that survived that Holocaust.

Of oh yeah, we know that for certain because we can now sequence every cell in your body or your DNA to put it in a simple way for people to understand. Think about the Holocaust. So someone's in the Holocaust, they survive, then they go on to have children. The third generation of those children, even though they never saw the Holocaust, still experience some aspects of how that was handled by the family that survived that Holocaust.

How does that then increase the risk of criminal behavior for.

How does that then increase the risk of criminal behavior for.

Instance, Well, it's the foundation blocks, so basically, but if you didn't experience any of that, you're probably most likely aren't going into crime or offending or addiction. If you're born to a very loving, supportive home, the chances of your committed crime are much smaller.

Instance, Well, it's the foundation blocks, so basically, but if you didn't experience any of that, you're probably most likely aren't going into crime or offending or addiction. If you're born to a very loving, supportive home, the chances of your committed crime are much smaller.

How much in your experience does addiction play a role in youth crime?

How much in your experience does addiction play a role in youth crime?

Do you think?

Do you think?

There's multiple reasons, but that's a big one. So addiction is medication for stress and trauma. So if you're experiencing a lot of neglect at home or trauma or stress and it's multi generation, or what do you do to what does the brain help you do to feel better? Well, that's drugs, gambling, pornography, all sorts of ways that we each handle that trauma and stress in our own lives. And people that are selling drugs, and you know that there's a huge network of people out there trying to target traumatize children because they're the sellers and that's who sells their products.

There's multiple reasons, but that's a big one. So addiction is medication for stress and trauma. So if you're experiencing a lot of neglect at home or trauma or stress and it's multi generation, or what do you do to what does the brain help you do to feel better? Well, that's drugs, gambling, pornography, all sorts of ways that we each handle that trauma and stress in our own lives. And people that are selling drugs, and you know that there's a huge network of people out there trying to target traumatize children because they're the sellers and that's who sells their products.

Would you class social media as a possible addiction and an addiction course.

Would you class social media as a possible addiction and an addiction course.

Well, that's out a lot in this space right now, and that's because social media is now getting to very young children and phones and devices connected to the internet. So right now in Australia we're only on the leading countries for this and so that's a complete conduit son easy way to get to children that they've never had before. So that's really escalated many aspects of all of this, and one of the big ones is stealing cars, because what's the best thing you can do if you don't have any love at home or any attention in the community or society, What a great way to get it by showing someone on social media this fast car you've just stolen. So the first thing they do is they put it up there to show off to get attention and likes. They're not copying the criminal behavior, they're copying lack of attention and looking for attention somewhere, so there's someone giving them a tension for that criminal behavior. There's a whole cadre of advanced technology, networked people that are helping people learn how to do this. Kids aren't just doing it off the back of their hat, they're learning how to do it from somewhere. And vulnerable children that aren't getting the enough attention somewhere they're the ones that get targeted into this kind of approach. And even if you are from a loving home and you might be with, say you end up with someone that is leading you down that pathway, the chances are that you'll be pulled out of that pathway because you're getting noticed by someone at home that you're heading down the wrong pathway. If you have someone that's not there looking after you at the highest levels, that leads you to keep going to the people that are giving you the attention you need and so I just want to say, this is at the highest level of society. This is not just this is at the highest level. We have large amount of inequality in Australia. We never used to have quite the same level. And I'm also American and live there for a long time. And if we continue down the pathway of individualism where we're striving for bigger houses and cars over people in community and connection, this is just exactly what will continue happening. And you see it in many countries where inequality is at the highest level, the crime rates go up because people have nothing to lose. So right now, in the Bay Area, where the inequality is very large, much larger than here, but we're heading in that direction, people are just smashing windows and cars, not even to steal anything out of those cars. So that's what I say to my community that's listening. Can we make sure we understand that we're creating the conditions for crime. So if we want to continue in this pathway or where we are in a struggle to get the biggest house or the biggest car and then allow a lot of people to have nothing, because the things that we by mean that someone else is So there's a there's a direct correlation.

Well, that's out a lot in this space right now, and that's because social media is now getting to very young children and phones and devices connected to the internet. So right now in Australia we're only on the leading countries for this and so that's a complete conduit son easy way to get to children that they've never had before. So that's really escalated many aspects of all of this, and one of the big ones is stealing cars, because what's the best thing you can do if you don't have any love at home or any attention in the community or society, What a great way to get it by showing someone on social media this fast car you've just stolen. So the first thing they do is they put it up there to show off to get attention and likes. They're not copying the criminal behavior, they're copying lack of attention and looking for attention somewhere, so there's someone giving them a tension for that criminal behavior. There's a whole cadre of advanced technology, networked people that are helping people learn how to do this. Kids aren't just doing it off the back of their hat, they're learning how to do it from somewhere. And vulnerable children that aren't getting the enough attention somewhere they're the ones that get targeted into this kind of approach. And even if you are from a loving home and you might be with, say you end up with someone that is leading you down that pathway, the chances are that you'll be pulled out of that pathway because you're getting noticed by someone at home that you're heading down the wrong pathway. If you have someone that's not there looking after you at the highest levels, that leads you to keep going to the people that are giving you the attention you need and so I just want to say, this is at the highest level of society. This is not just this is at the highest level. We have large amount of inequality in Australia. We never used to have quite the same level. And I'm also American and live there for a long time. And if we continue down the pathway of individualism where we're striving for bigger houses and cars over people in community and connection, this is just exactly what will continue happening. And you see it in many countries where inequality is at the highest level, the crime rates go up because people have nothing to lose. So right now, in the Bay Area, where the inequality is very large, much larger than here, but we're heading in that direction, people are just smashing windows and cars, not even to steal anything out of those cars. So that's what I say to my community that's listening. Can we make sure we understand that we're creating the conditions for crime. So if we want to continue in this pathway or where we are in a struggle to get the biggest house or the biggest car and then allow a lot of people to have nothing, because the things that we by mean that someone else is So there's a there's a direct correlation.

What are some of the common misconceptions about youth crime that neuroscience can help clarify.

What are some of the common misconceptions about youth crime that neuroscience can help clarify.

Do you think obviously that the environments we create shape our brains, so inside your brain, you are a product of your environment. So therefore, if you're seeing crime, it's a reflection in our society. So if we have good, healthy brain development, then we want to help other people, so we won't be looking at put blocking them in jail. We'll be looking at what do we need to create the condition, so we share our bounty downwards because if we don't, we'll have to just keep going in this direction, which means that some people have eighty houses and some people are in the park where I live next door, they're living in the bus stops and stuff like that, and we walk past these people thinking it has no consequences, Thank god, it's not us. But there is a con sequence because we're paying for all of the charities, we're paying for all of the mental health services, the police, and we'll be building barbe wie offences around our houses. And we know that can happen, and I see it in other countries. We're not there yet, but that's the direction we're heading unless we start to have these wonderful conversations like we're having here with you, to say, what can we do as a community, How do we come back to Australia that makeship that village.

Do you think obviously that the environments we create shape our brains, so inside your brain, you are a product of your environment. So therefore, if you're seeing crime, it's a reflection in our society. So if we have good, healthy brain development, then we want to help other people, so we won't be looking at put blocking them in jail. We'll be looking at what do we need to create the condition, so we share our bounty downwards because if we don't, we'll have to just keep going in this direction, which means that some people have eighty houses and some people are in the park where I live next door, they're living in the bus stops and stuff like that, and we walk past these people thinking it has no consequences, Thank god, it's not us. But there is a con sequence because we're paying for all of the charities, we're paying for all of the mental health services, the police, and we'll be building barbe wie offences around our houses. And we know that can happen, and I see it in other countries. We're not there yet, but that's the direction we're heading unless we start to have these wonderful conversations like we're having here with you, to say, what can we do as a community, How do we come back to Australia that makeship that village.

Who do you think is to blame for our current youth crime crisis?

Who do you think is to blame for our current youth crime crisis?

Well, it's the society, isn't it again. It's the global it's the global race for individualism. And it goes back to our animal nature in evolution, where we like to in our brain we have to keep resources because we think we're in scarce resources because we were once upon time, but now we're not. We're in abundant resources. But we still have that same animal instinct to squirrel away as much as we can just in case. And we've squirreled away so much. And that's the bit that people don't understand. They just think I've had to get my bootstraps and fight it hard. They might say, well, I had terrible parents, but look what I did. Why can't they do that? Because they don't understand just how much impact has happened in the way their brain can work.

Well, it's the society, isn't it again. It's the global it's the global race for individualism. And it goes back to our animal nature in evolution, where we like to in our brain we have to keep resources because we think we're in scarce resources because we were once upon time, but now we're not. We're in abundant resources. But we still have that same animal instinct to squirrel away as much as we can just in case. And we've squirreled away so much. And that's the bit that people don't understand. They just think I've had to get my bootstraps and fight it hard. They might say, well, I had terrible parents, but look what I did. Why can't they do that? Because they don't understand just how much impact has happened in the way their brain can work.

It feels like a really big bridge to cross.

It feels like a really big bridge to cross.

At the moment. It does because of those conditions we created that we believe in this individualism which is coming from American culture.

At the moment. It does because of those conditions we created that we believe in this individualism which is coming from American culture.

What are the small steps we can take now?

What are the small steps we can take now?

Right now, just reach out to someone that needs you because you have all the resources. If you're listening to this, you probably have a phone because you're listening to a podcast. You probably have a car, a house, and some food. Right now, all the thing that will make you healthier if you want to just go to the individualism is helping someone else. And so our human nature is designed for helping up the people and connecting with other people. And so there's one hundred ways that you could do that today. And even if it's just in your own family. So even see families not helping members of their family where they have a struggle. And I know it's not easy. So if you can't do it there, do it in your school, do it at your workplace. Ask someone if you know they're struggling. It is personal and it might involve a couple of years of time. It's worth it. So people say to me all the time, and I can give one hundred examples of this day. Don't go there, Selena, it's too much work. Our community needs that work, and if we want to create the conditions where we don't have these conversations and we're not blaming people but seeing it, but pointing the finger back to us, to see our contribution to the situation that we're in. That's the solution.

Right now, just reach out to someone that needs you because you have all the resources. If you're listening to this, you probably have a phone because you're listening to a podcast. You probably have a car, a house, and some food. Right now, all the thing that will make you healthier if you want to just go to the individualism is helping someone else. And so our human nature is designed for helping up the people and connecting with other people. And so there's one hundred ways that you could do that today. And even if it's just in your own family. So even see families not helping members of their family where they have a struggle. And I know it's not easy. So if you can't do it there, do it in your school, do it at your workplace. Ask someone if you know they're struggling. It is personal and it might involve a couple of years of time. It's worth it. So people say to me all the time, and I can give one hundred examples of this day. Don't go there, Selena, it's too much work. Our community needs that work, and if we want to create the conditions where we don't have these conversations and we're not blaming people but seeing it, but pointing the finger back to us, to see our contribution to the situation that we're in. That's the solution.

In the next episode of Who's to Blame.

In the next episode of Who's to Blame.

I accept that a lot of these young offenders have had very, very difficult upbringings, but we're in the so called lucky country, right We've got the mechanisms to support people to do something other than aow someone to go before to court and have eighty two offenses before that the community is protected.

I accept that a lot of these young offenders have had very, very difficult upbringings, but we're in the so called lucky country, right We've got the mechanisms to support people to do something other than aow someone to go before to court and have eighty two offenses before that the community is protected.

For me, you've taken someone's life fourteen years doesn't seem enough. I get that they yoused, but clearly lessons had not been learned from our incident.

For me, you've taken someone's life fourteen years doesn't seem enough. I get that they yoused, but clearly lessons had not been learned from our incident.

What are other governments, what other countries doing? What are people doing that ultimately results in an effective outcome or at least reduces crime rates, at least perfects the community a little better than we're doing now. We need to be looking at it and understanding whether that's something that here in Queensland, here in Australia, might be effective to defense the outcome that we're experiencing. Out and be in my love of experience,

What are other governments, what other countries doing? What are people doing that ultimately results in an effective outcome or at least reduces crime rates, at least perfects the community a little better than we're doing now. We need to be looking at it and understanding whether that's something that here in Queensland, here in Australia, might be effective to defense the outcome that we're experiencing. Out and be in my love of experience,