How can we transform prisons so they can actually transform people? That question is at the heart of Deputy Director Josh Smith's work at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the very system that once incarcerated him. After serving five years in federal prison, he's dedicated his life to improving public safety through prison reform, and now he's the first formerly incarcerated person to help lead the Bureau of Prisons. Deputy Smith knows just how important it is to plan for reentry from day one, which is why he’s helping create a better environment for the people inside so they can actually do the hard work of rehabilitation.

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How can we transform prisons so they can actually transform people? That question is at the heart of Deputy Director Josh Smith's work at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the very system that once incarcerated him. After serving five years in federal prison, he's dedicated his life to improving public safety through prison reform, and now he's the first formerly incarcerated person to help lead the Bureau of Prisons. Deputy Smith knows just how important it is to plan for reentry from day one, which is why he&rsquo;s helping create a better environment for the people inside so they can actually do the hard work of rehabilitation.
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What if the justice system was about more than punishment? What if it actually helped people build more stable, productive lives and safer communities in the process? In Season 2 of When it Clicked, we're showing you what a better justice system looks and feels like. Instead of just focusing on what's broken, we're exploring what’s already working and what we need to do more of – and where there are glaring gaps. We’ll hear from some industry legends, including a major film producer on how we can think differently about youth accountability, a tech CEO on how to modernize prison data systems with AI, and the head of a major government institution on how to change prison so it can change people. Join host Ana Zamora as she finds out when it clicked for them, and why we should all care about a better way forward for our justice system.

What if the justice system was about more than punishment? What if it actually helped people build more stable, productive lives and safer communities in the process? In Season 2 of When it Clicked, we're showing you what a better justice system looks and feels like. Instead of just focusing on what's broken, we're exploring what&rsquo;s already working and what we need to do more of &ndash; and where there are glaring gaps. We&rsquo;ll hear from some industry legends, including a major film producer on how we can think differently about youth accountability, a tech CEO on how to modernize prison data systems with AI, and the head of a major government institution on how to change prison so it can change people. Join host Ana Zamora as she finds out when it clicked for them, and why we should all care about a better way forward for our justice system.

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