What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to providing opportunities for incarcerated people to garden, take college courses, and even play chess with correctional officers. 

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What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to providing opportunities for incarcerated people to garden, take college courses, and even play chess with correctional officers.&nbsp;
Follow When it Clicked wherever you get your podcasts, or listen ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime Membership.
Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia.
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Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and all other Lemonada series: <a href="http://lemonadamedia.com/sponsors">lemonadamedia.com/sponsors</a>.
To follow along with a transcript, go to lemonadamedia.com/show/ shortly after the air date.
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