Hey, and welcome to what Future. I'm your host, Joshua Tapulski. At least that's what they're telling me. We have a great show today, a big show. I'm very excited, and I don't want to waste a lot of time. Normally, what I'll do is I'll start talking and I'll be like, I don't want to waste a lot of time, and then you know, fifteen minutes later, I'm finishing like telling you about something that happened to me. And I'm not going to do that today. Today I'm gonna be focused, which is a problem for me. Actually, I've been diagnosed with several versions of add or ADHD, and you know, honestly, I think they're wrong. I think feel like my attention is totally like you're right on top of things. But today I'm not going to get distracted in any way. And I'm just gonna say that we have a great guest. His name is Nick Turner. He's median, he's a podcast or he's been on seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon and John Oliver. He's it got a Comedy Central a half hour and he's just also just a charming, charming individual. So let's just get into the fucking conversation with him. What are you drinking there? What is that some kind of I want to say, nice coffee. Maybe it's uh IV, you know that ever present little pouch these days? Is this like? Is this like a Jesus a bit? Or is this real? No, it's you know, electrolytes and whatnot. I'm getting over a cold. Oh you're getting over a cold. I thought you were going to tell me you had a big rager last night. No. No, not since the nineties when I was a rave kid. Are you sober? No? No, no, you're not sober. So you know I'm I'm not sober. You drank alcohol. I do what I do. Whatever you spoke. We want to once last time you dropped acid? Acid specifically, it's been probably six years, but I mushrooms. People love shrooms. Ravers who age out out of acid age in two mushrooms. Well, no one was there for the acid. We were there for the ecstasy. Baby. The second time I took your acidum the dealer who is a kind of like a friend, his name is Ken. This is in Pittsburgh, and he gave me like a strip of ten hits and he's like, yes, it's kind of old, like you might need to take like one or two. I didn't know anything but taking acid. And I took one and I'm like, I don't think this is working. Like a half an hour later, I was like, I don't think it's working. And then I took another and like, I think I ended up I think I ended up taking like five, and then they started working all at once. Yeah, and uh, it was interesting. I gotta say my mom was also at the rave because I was at the time, I was doing these like video displays and my and I couldn't drive. I was doing these like rave visuals on these like screens, and so my parents had driven me to the rave and like went to stay at a hotel or something nearby because they were complete psychos. I was like seventeen or something. Um, okay, but you were fine. I was, well, I mean, I don't know here we are? Here, we are you know, you're on my podcasts, So I don't know was I find this? You know, jury is out, as they say, unlike the jury in this Alex Murdock case, who he's guilty. You know. I followed that story in the news and then I watched the first dock, and then I watched the second dock and Benny was guilty, and you're like, it never happens this way. Yeah, it's always like and he's gonna be flogged forever. I didn't know there were docks. Actually, I didn't actually follow it. I'm sort of like, um, I know everbody loves true crime, I'm not that excited about it. I mean, I like, you know, crime, you know. Don't get me wrong, I love a great crime, But I don't know, I can't. Um. I think the pandemic made it very difficult for me to engage in. Um, it's got to be last of us leveled dystopian for me to engage with any realistic crimes. I can't really handle, oh for sure. But true crime is so it's so like nothing. It's it's something to have on in the background. Right, it's always the same script. You you can tune out for an hour. You know what happened, right? He did it? Yeah? I mean he did the evidence, you know. Yeah. I mean it's always that like they lost the evidence burned, there was a fire and then where they held the evidence. And actually my wife Laura has actually been working on a true crime story, uh about a murder in um in our hometown, and and you know she she's like basically solved it along with the cops who worked on it, but they're like, oh, yeah, the evidence was lost when like the U play literally the place where we kept the evidence like was there was a fire and everything was like burned to a crisp and so, you know, classic normal, definitely not some kind of funny business going on. Yeah, I had an idea for a parody true crime podcast where you know, someone learns a secret about their family. It's always starts, you know, it's like your personal experience, and you know, they're at the lake house and they see a picture and they're like, oh my god, you know this this proves he was the murderer or whatever. And then later on in the first episode he finds out out that that's not true, but he's like, oh shit, I sold this. It's eight episodes. So here you're like, listen, I realized I was completely wrong, but there's a murder here somewhere. We got the first check and so we have to put this together. Yeah, sure, let's rewind for a second. Nick, your last name is Turner. Is that correct, you nailed it. You got an ass in the middle. Is that an middle initial? No, that's just a dumb thing I did on my social's Nick's Nick's Turner. I thought it was nick ass Turners. What I assume you couldn't get Nick Turner, so you put your middle initial in there? Is that now? What happened? Well? No, it's just I pluralized both of my names. I thought that people would understand. Then is there another as the Did I miss that? Yeah? It's Turner. Um, I don't know. I was high. That's on. Oh, you're right, you're right. I didn't notice the lasts for some reason. I just focused on the middle s. That's that makes a little more sense. So if you change your name you're at on Twitter, you lose your check and it's all I got left. You can never get it back now because they'll make you pay for it. Was that it is that real? Though? Is that? Yes? That's real? Could you have paid for it and have one? Now? Is that you can? Now? Now you can pay for it and have it. But it's but everybody knows. Yeah, but everybody knows you're a phony and a loser if you pay for it. No of course, I've had one man's opinion decade, dude, one man's opinion that you're a phony and a loser if you pay for it. Um, that's just you know, speaking from as an elite and a highly elite former. You know, freal blue check halfer. I mean, I still have the blue check. But hold on, I want to get back up past your user name okay and your pastor okay, and we'll get to that in a minute. Nick, you are a comedian. Is this true or false? It's true? Okay, stand up comedy or just sort of general You're just generally funny. Uh. You know, at my age, there was only one way to get comedian after you're right, and that was through live comedy performance. I'm a stand up comedian, Yeah, stand up, stand up. Yeah. I want to talk to you about this because I've long I've long entertained the idea of me starting to do stand up comedy, and I thought it's a great time to get in. No, the older I get, the border ridiculous it seems, and so in some way more attractive. It's not an old man game. I want to be like the Morgan Freeman stand up I want to enter late and then just be a sensation, which I think is absolutely possible. Um A call it on a second. You're a stand up comedian. You you do do you currently do get Rich Nick? Now that's an old podcast. You don't do that. It's dead, it's dead and buried, it's on hiatus, or it's just I'm not lingering. You're not gonna dwell on get Rich Nick? It was great? Was there another Nick involved with get Rich Nick? I just didn't understand, but he passed on U Did he actually die on the next project? Okay? Because it says solo host of get Rich Nick as if this is on your Instagram, as if you need to communicate to people that they're you were the only Nick that matter. That's funny because at the time I had I think I was, I had two podcasts and I was also a guest host of my friend Brooks Wheeland's podcast, Oh Brooks Wheeland, I love him, And so at one point I had solo host of all of these three podcasts even though I was host, and it was funny, and then I dropped the other two and it was no longer funny. Right now, You're just it's just that sitting there confusing people. Yeah, I'm not good at at the Internet. Every time I try to google myself, I throw up at what comes up, and what comes up it's probably not even content about you. Is it even about you? Your name is very common, no offense, but Nick Turner is probably like, there's probably like five million other names I've dwelt on that Nick Turner is. Um, it's always someone from England. It's always a white guy from England or a black college football player. So Nicholas Turner. The first person comes up is VIRA Institute of Justice. Well, I don't know why you're googling Nicholas. That's not my professional name. No I did, I didn't google. I googled Nick Turner and the first thing comes up is Nicholas Turner Via Institute of Justice downloading. I have no idea what this is. Okay, he joined the VIA Institute of Justice as its fifth president director, So that's pretty impressive. Who we are? Who is VIA? We don't know. Yeah, your Advocates Research is an act activist working to end mass incarceration. So not a bad association there, not you, not you, But then your your Twitter is next up, and then your Instagram and then a guy from the Federal Reserve Board, Nick Turner. He's a principal economist Board of Governors the Federal Reserve System. So he's getting a lot of action right now. He's seeing a lot of action and some deep deep stuff. Yeah. Anyhow, we could go on and on. I'd like to eventually you do get to a British person. I want to get this guy. Okay, let's back up for a second. You are I think we should say this just for people who might be listening to this, for the four or five people out there. I was promised millions on infant timeline. This podcast is going to have tens of millions of listeners infinite. Okay, good, you are the partner of my producer. We should just say because I don't want anybody to make I don't want to be any claims of foul play here or nepotism or I'm not sure what the right word is, but um am I getting money. No, there's no money's definitely nobody change in hands. Okay, I've heard there's no audience, no money, no audience, nobody that's got anyone's gonna come for you or me. That's kind of our thing. Anyhow, you are you are in a romantic relationship. Can I say that? But no, let's get into it sexually. But the producer of what future we would have to Well, you do have a child together, is that correct? Well, people wouldn't believe me. Yeah, so they wouldn't believe you unless you produced the child. So it takes to get some respect in this town. I like that. I love that. Any I just wanted to put that out there so that there's no confusion about nobody think there's any kind of impropriety situation going on here. But but the reason we're talking, there's many reasons. But one of the main reasons is because you're a little bit old like I am. You're kind of an old guy, yes, but I present younger. You are a child of the nineties, spent a lot of time in the nineties. Of the nineties. Yeah, well you were there for the entire nineties, my teas, my whole teens, Yeah, my tweens also, I don't know. Yeah, but well, I want to talk about the nineties a little bit because we actually ended up yesterday you off camera while was talking ab Larry, we started talking about the real world, and I challenged your I stupidly challenged your real world knowledge, and you made a fool of me. I mean no question, you made me look like a complete asshole. And I thought, I thought, well, we should just get you on to talk about the nineties. But before we do that, I want to I want to since youre comedian, I want to talk about a current event, something I've been thinking a lot about, and it's in the comedy space. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. I mean, I don't know. Well, you know, I saw it. Did you watch the Chris Rock Live Special? Did you? Did you watch it live? By any chance, I did not watch it live, but I watched it maybe that night or the next day. Yes, for people in the West Coast, it would have been very early to watch live. I think, right with like seven o'clock or something. I think it started the ten Oh yeah. I actually didn't know what was happening, and we like, yeah, saw nobody knew that they were talking about the after show. They didn't average Yes, it for some reason, very strange situation, but uh, you know, at the end of his but I thought it was like a pretty solid Chris Rock, you know, comedy special. I mean it to me felt like, you know what I kind of expect from Chris Rock, pretty much like it wasn't maybe not his best I mean what am I? I'm not a fucking comedy critic. Yeah, but at the end he addressed quite um vehemently, and I think somewhat surprisingly the Will Smith slap incident. And since you're a comedian, and I think it veered into a place that I would say it was not funny. Uh. And I don't know, like that's my opinion. I mean, and I'm not saying that it was bad, but it was definitely went in in in the comedy world. Because you're not just a comedian, you also know other comedians. Uh. And you're we could say you're a student of the comedic arts. Say that's correct, a teacher. I you don't watch anybody else do comedy because you don't want to accidentally steal their bit. No, because I don't enjoy it. I don't actually hate to laugh. I don't know how many times you're supposed to watch some guy get up and do stand up. No, I get it. It's like being a DJ, which we're gonna get to in a minute. It's like being a trans DJ and having to listen to the trans DJ before you before you go on, you know, and you know like I don't. Yeah, especially because neither of you even created those songs. That's actually not true in my case. We're gonna get to that in a second. But we a lot we're going to get to. But anyhow, what was your feeling about the sort of end of his whole special? Was like about his like kind of he's still pretty upset about the slap situation. You know as a comedian, did he go to the right place with it? I mean he was very very aggressive, very abrasive stuff. Yeah. I think it was very well planned. Yeah, because he's not addressed it at all in a year, and he waits until his big special comes out and it's the week of the Oscars. We all know, the week before the Oscars. We all know what's going on there. Yeah, and we needed to hear his thoughts on it. You know, he gave you the hour. It's great. This is the thing, Like I want to know how he feels, Like I want to hear good jokes about it, But I also it's like this this is his moment, and I think he find it really well, like that he's such a fucking hero and that you know, he didn't let up on Will Smith. And as a comedian who has had people jump on stage a number of times while they're performing, I detest what Will Smith did. And I mean the fact that he wasn't tackled by security his bonkers considering he went up an assaulted a former host, right. I think that just on the on Chris Rock's final like cathartic bit about I wouldn't even call it a bit, it was like just talking about it in a way. I mean, he definitely when he started, I was like, Oh, he's gonna talk about this, and then it was like it kept going deeper and larger and more serious into like his thoughts on the whole matter. Like the way he addressed it was like, oh wow, like he's there's not going to be any no pun intended, but no punches pulled on this addressing of it, right, And it was like he had said, like you said, he'd said nothing for a year, and I think everybody probably was like, he just wants to move on. He probably just wants to move on, and like not and fixate on this and have it be a thing that he has to talk he talks about it once. If he doesn't, you know, he's got to get it all out. And also it's like he could go and talk to Oprah and give her all the money for it, or he could just say it on his own special and collect twenty million dollars himself. And it's like, do you think that's what he got paid twenty million dollars? I would say it's probably twenty million dollars because especially because this is the only place you can hear him talk about the slab, right, I think that probably got a little bonus and twenties what they gave Chappelle and Chris Rock. He only does a special every five years, right, He's not one of these every sixteen weeks like Chappelle. Now he doesn't special. It's when Chris Rock puts out, especially he's fucking ready. Yeah, I mean it's Chris Rocks. His specials are always like they kind of don't let up. You know. In a way, it's like signed Feldian in the sense that it's obviously a very different style, but you know, like it's like it's so precise and you can everything seems so thought out, and really there's not like not exactly a lot of riff and he did a little riff in this one, but he doesn't do a lot of like he goes down some weird rabbit hole. Like you know. It's like a film, right, It's like a beginning to end. There's like a start, middle, and finish that feels like all connected. Anyhow. I was just curious because I'm not a comedian, even though I might become one, And you can't call yourself a comedian unless you get up on a stage and there's a microphone and you try to tell a joke. Then you become a comedian that day for sure, anyhow, But I just think it's interesting. I was kind of curious because I feel like in the comedy world, like you just said, you said, people have jumped up on stage when you've been performing, which sounds like a terrifying I mean, when any when anybody does anything unexpected that's like physical, even if they're they mean well, right, it's like probably sometimes probably drunk people jump up there because they want to give you a hug or whatever. I mean. I don't know if that's ever happened but still like upsetting. Yeah. One time downtown LA, right near skid Row, the Independent Movie Theater. I was doing a show and there's a free show and uh, you know, a guy wandered in and um started yelling at me that I was racist, not a comedy fan. Do you think not there for comedy? Um? I don't know a lot of comedy fans who come in during the last performers, right and then start yelling immediately how was your set going up until that point? Just had no. I am really very talented, and this this spot, um, this spot specifically, you know, because it's like it's like a three hundred theater and they would pack it out and this is a straight murder. And so you're you're doing well, things are going great. Oh not just well. I mean I cannot stress enough my talent level. Yeah, so you're killing it. You're killing this set? Yeah, and walks a gentleman. I engage with everyone. Sure, you have to, you know, I cannot concentrate. Like if somebody sneezes while you're doing your set, they're gone, Babe. Do you say you say please? You know, can you please stop? I'm trying to, I say, does anyone have a tissue. I want to make sure everyone's comfortable. That's nice. I like that. I think that's you have to be attentive to the audience. It's everyone's in it together. Yeah, absolutely, all right, So this guy comes in and you immediately become you stiffen up, and you sense a presence of a guy who's not a comedy lover. Well, again, you know, I'm so comfortable on stage, right, So I didn't really So you know, he's he's I engage, Um, he engages. It's one of the back and forth. This is this is what happens a lot when you've tried it. You're doing you're doing like what was this be called crowd work? Is that considered crowd work? Or that's not really If you're just engaged with a Heckler, it's not really crowd work, is it. No? Yes, that's that's Heckler engagement. Heckler engagement. And so you're just and is the crowd enjoying the engagement or you're getting laughs from whatever you're talking about? No, because again I cannot stress enough how well I was doing before him. Then this interlow he threw the whole thing off. Yes, disrupts what is For some of them, I probably could go in my d MS later they probably hit me up to tell me how the set changed their life. Right, so uh he he. So he starts coming to me, and I employ the tactic of do not come on stage, right, don't come up here. If you come up here, it's gonna get bad. And so he comes fully on stage and then so I grabbed him by his jacket and uh wet, fully wet from head to toe. This rainy or it was not raining. He got wet by other means, that's bad. That's you don't like, you know, like any wet clothing, no matter what the circumstance, even if it just came out of the washing machine or whatever. When you touch it, there's something so unsettling and just you just have an immediate kind of visceral reaction of at least I do a negative reaction to it. And this was a stranger wearing a wet jacket, so you don't know where that was. You know. What's funny is is this this is available on YouTube? Oh really, this interaction and I have not watch this interaction because this is probably Nick Turner, Nick Turner, Heckler. What do we think, Yeah, Nick Turner Heckler should do it. Yeah, watch Nick Turner face off with a drugged up Heckler. This is written about on vulture dot com. Is this correct New York Magazine's Vulture. Yeah, that's you're right here, you are here. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah. I can't play the sound right now because I don't want to. You know, we have to do this interview. But it's clear from just your body language you're crushing it. Yes, thank you. I'm so comfortable, you're relaxed. You can see you at full control of the crowd. There's no question this is that you're night anyhow, I will watch it. So he comes on stage, he's got a wet coat. Is there no security at this place? So there are no there's no security anywhere. Right. Oh do you get into like an actual altercation with this person? That's yeah, but multiple But you know, at a bunch of times doing comedy shows, like at comedy clubs, like comedy clubs, you would be surprised about I got into. I will get into a situation where I ask for security and no one answers, not even anyone who works there. Do you think they think you're doing a thing like a bit. You know, it could be a bit, right, that's possible, That is possible. But if I say it enough times, at some point they're gonna hear the distressing your voice. All right, So I don't know how far you wentto this. Yes, I picked you touch I'm not. I mean, I can't watch the whole thing right now. But you So he grabbed him by his wet jacket. Yeah, so I pick up a mic, alright, pick up the mic stand to do something I get off. Yeah, it goes into the audience. H shit, you looking at it right now? So the host I'm just scrubbing past. It's it's so long. Yeah, but the host help me drag him off stage, and then I have to finish. How did this guy even get in? Like, isn't there like a bouncer at the door. It's not an all ages show run anywhere. Nobody gives a shit about stand up comedians. That's why slaps. How do you mean? But somebody has to card somebody, right, You can't just go in there and get a drink just being anybody off the street. I've had friends get punched during their sets. I've had friends get punched after their sets by like people who got kicked out. I have a friend who had a microphone broken over his head. I've had There's been so much violence. It doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound funny at all, honest with you, it's not funny, you know what I mean? What you're describing doesn't sound like a humorist and entertaining time to me? Why time it was pretty funny because somebody was heckling and then they started to come towards stage and I say, I'll be like, don't get on the stage. And then they go a little closer and I'd be like, if you get on the stage, I'm going to hit you with this nockstand. This is what I say. Okay, so you like to wield the mic stand that's kind of your weapon of choice. I'm nervous. My comedy is confrontational, is it? When I'm riffing? Okay, when I'm doing crowd work, I say, you know, you can go anywhere because people get you know, and right, and you're not afraid to say what's on your mind. You any good, like any good comedian. You're ready to unload from the dome because you're you're frankly a modern day philosopher. I think we all know that, and yeah, we gotta be We gotta hear what you're thinking, no matter how brazen it is. So I later found out this was the DJ of the show and I had gotten there later. Wait wait, wait, wait, the guy you threatened with the mic stand, The guy's wed jack stand. You know, heavy face mic stand. You know one of these, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh so he finally comes on stage, and so I throw the mic stand on his foot. Oh wow, was he just trying to adjust the monitors or something. I think he was just drunk and thought because he DJed the pre show that he was part of the show. But I did not know this guy right, and I was very clear that he should not be a part of my show. I wouldn't have gotten on stage if you said that to me. Thank you, unless there your life was in danger. If like there was a guy behind you, like like a ghost face from Scream was behind you and I was trying to get you out of the way of his knife, I might do it anyway, But thank you so much was happening. You're a ride or die listen, you know, if I see somebody who about to be killed by ghost face nine times that ten. I'm probably gonna at least try to swat the knife way or something. You know. I'm just that's who I am. Okay, So I get off stage. Yep. Then I I exit. I go to the right. I leave if I go in the back area. I realized that back area is nothing but like a smoker's lounge. And then I turn around and the wall that I have just you know, gone through, is one glass, and the audience is just looking at me, just standing outside in a tiny smoker's area. This is from bad to worth. I had to come back out. It was not going well. Also, I'm sorry you made it. Can I just say you made a fatal area. You should have got boomed a cigarette off of somebody and started smoking. I would have just been like, I'm out here, I need a smoke. There was no one out there, that's Unfortunately. It was the saddest thing you could imagine. So I left and then I heard next week that DJ got fired for stealing CDs. Okay, in a way, you were like a Batman character in your scenario. Really you're kind of an avenger. Yes, you know, a dark avenger. This guy was nonsense and I'm you know, the only one willing to throw bikes did as someone's chore, willing to break their foot with the bike's did. That'll slow them down, though, right, Like that'll slow somebody down if you break their foot or whatever. I mean, that's a good way to somebody's coming out. I don't know, adrenaline can fix a lot of feet, that's true, all right, So but anyhow, it's interesting, like it's funny to hear the story. Not funny, obviously, it's very h weird, scary stuff. But but it's interesting that, like, you know, I'm talking about Chris Rock and Will Smith two of the biggest celebrities in the world right basically known all over the world, massively famous. I mean, obviously Will Smith is a very very big celebrity. I think Chris Rock is pretty famous. Um, but it's like this is just a thing with comedians, is what you're saying. Like this is just like people just think they can come up if they don't like, they don't like what they hear, or if they think they want to add something or whatever, they can just jump up on stage. I mean, don't you think people like thought maybe it was a bit. I mean, yeah, I mean it doesn't the bit was not completed. I mean it's obvious they're not doing a bit, but I can see how people would think they were doing a bit for a while one second or two seconds afterwards, I was like I was trying to figure out, like what it is that just happened, right, because I didn't quite really understand like unprecedented. Yeah, it was just like it was just like what happened. I'm like, was this some weird bit that didn't land somehow or like, you know, because there's shit like that at award shows all the time. I think. So my guess is like when you see Will Smith approaching the stage the Oscars and then, by the way, I think, did he immediately win an oscar after that? Nobody remembers that part he did. He actually won a fucking Academy Award like two minutes after slapping Chris Rock in the face because he didn't like a random comment that he made, which was really nothing, I mean really not anyhow, but like not that there's any justification for hitting somebody unless they're a Nazi, which case obviously they have Nazis and anywhere and everywhere. That's a whole different type of interaction. Yeah, it's that you can't be up there. You can't be a modern day philosopher speaking in your mind, speaking your truth, and you know, you don't have any sense of protection from the world at large. I mean, I feel like, let's be honest, comedian should be able to say whatever they want, yeah, and and nobody should question it. But you know, on the other hand, you know, comedians are you know, it's such a selfish profession, right to get it, I mean, the idea, but it's not selfish. It's not selfish because to be fair, I think most people and I and I feel this way because I'm like a I think like in another version of myself, I might have like been like, this is what I should do because obviously I have a podcast first off, which is like a totally self centered, like weird sort of thing to do. But um, you're like, oh, you know, people want to hear me talk like right, like I should just be on do a show where people listen to me. But I think that most comedians are probably like, it's you. It's your an impulse, right, You're getting something from that interaction that is like deeper than like you want to be popular, right, Like don't you? I mean, I don't know bout that's true for you, but I mean it's it's completely an extension of my real life personality right where I'm trying to get people to laugh all the time, right anyway? And then why is that? Do you think? Why do you think you're trying to get people to laugh because I'm hilarious, right, but like why why you want to be hilarious to other people? Like what do you get out of? In all seriousness? What do you get out of like when you make people laugh? Because I mean, I understand, but like, yeah, I feel like when I'm when I'm doing a bit or whatever amongst my friends, I feel like somehow I'm like fearing silence or people aren't enjoying themselves, or or I just can't stop myself because like I'm not in control of my mind. Like don't you, I mean, do you not feel that any of those things? I mean, I it's simple, you know, I do stand up because people tell me I'm good at it, and when I do other things, nobody tells me I'm good at it, right, really, And I'll gravitate towards to think I'm good at Well, there's a lot of things you can be good at, but you can't really do professionally, right, Yeah, yeah, I've got I've gotten really good at a couple of video games. But and yes, there are professional video gamers, but I don't think that can be applied to like I can have a pretty good lifestyle. Like if I just like professionally play video games, I don't think that would be a job. Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean when you were when you were a kid in the nineties, Yeah, you didn't have a channel just constantly playing clips of professional video gamers, but there was a channel that was like, look at all the coolest guys, funniest guys in the world. Right, don't you want to do this shit? Yeah, I guess that is true. I guess art. But don't you think that there isn't there a whole crop of you know, new comedians who are like I'm on TikTok or I do my thing on Oh yeah, you know Instagram different Right, that's it's dip, you know, I mean, that's that's the future that I saw in the nineties. You know, it existed for a little bit, but it doesn't exist anymore. The future of being a stand up comedian in the future. Yeah, like what you thought, you know, your career would be how it worked, you know, how the industry worked. You were like, I could be Dane Dane Cook level, right, Dane Cook, the famous infamous MySpace comedian. Yeah, he was a guy on my Space. This is the this is the storyline. Dane Cook was like, that was a popular guy on my Space. He did like some MySpace jokes or I don't even know how it worked. Did they even have video on my Space? In that era? It was like the two thousands, like, um, you know he was famous from his like half hour you know, and then his album right, and he was famous on MySpace just for having the most for him. Yes, that was an era when people are like I could blow up and become a huge like stand up comedian, like, not that Dane Cook is the model obviously. Well, I think that the point, like the thing that I thought was happening that ended up not to be happening, was that if you want to do stand up comedy, you have to become great at stand up comedy for ten years. You have to do stand up comedy for free nearly every night. You get a grind and then you get a career, right, which all happened. But what I didn't have as part of the equation back then was the need for social media, which I am terrible at because I am too earnest. That's a marketing that's a marketing job. That's a marketer's job basically, So that became, you know, it grew in importance through the years to being paramount, especially during the pandemic. But but way before that, you know, right, and so like, I'm not like a techie guy. It takes me a really long time to make a video and it's not it's just not the same for me, and so right, that's what I mean. And just like things changed so much, you know, they they're like become undeniable. You know. At coding, right, you'd be you'd be I think you'd be an amazing coder, to be honest, I have you ever checked it out? No? I mean yeah, but the whole But that's everything I mean to a degree, not to say this is not a unique to comedy, but there's also like I mean, in a way like when I when I was just when you were talking, I was thinking about, like, you know, I was a DJ, and I was in bands and was surrounded by people who were like musicians, and my brother is a musician. And in the nineties and in the even in the early two thousands, like there was a feeling like you could get to a certain level, Like you might not be like Rolling Stones level if you're a band or whatever, but you could get to a level it's like pretty good. You can have like a pretty large audience. And it's really about in the nineties and in the in the early two thousands, it was like, are you touring And if you're touring a lot and you build a following, you it was like if you got like whatever, the thing is like ten thousand people who love what you're doing or whatever fucking bullshit number. But the truth is that's actually not the case now because like the economics of it aren't the same as they were. Even if you can sell out a thousand person venue wherever you go, the economics of your entire career or like in music for instance, are just completely altered now it's been it's been thinned out and disseminated so much amongst like this larger pool and the way people actually engage with music, and I would say, I'm sure the same is true for comedy, Like there was a much more sort of gate kept way to do it, right, Like this is actually maybe this is a broad thing that goes across to so many industries. But like, if you wanted to be a comedian in nineteen ninety five, there was no YouTube, there was no social media, There was barely an Internet at all. If you wanted to do comedy, you could You could only really just go somewhere and try to do comedy, like do an open mic or just get on like a do a set somewhere or whatever. I mean, again, it's not my world, but my assumption is that was it. Like, and you started doing that and eventually you could build up if you were good and people liked you and there was word of mouth and whatever. Maybe you put flyers up for your shows or handed them out, but like you could build a following like an indie ban would build a following in the same way. Right. Yeah, Like Kevin Hart when he started, he traveled with a team. He came out the gate. He had people that would travel everywhere with him, just like his friends. That was a street team. Yes, yeah, yes, exactly, they would. Um, they would get emails from everybody in every audience, and every time he came back to any city, he would email every single person that has ever come to his show there, and uh, like anyone could have done that. But that's that's an insane amount of work. It's a ton of work. That's that's a marketing that's marketing work. So he's like a really killer marketer on top of being yeah well yeah, and now he's you know, he's like uh jay z right, he's like a billionaire off of not his shoes now. So it's a rough, horrible industry where the chances for success I've been dramatically sliced down to almost nothing. Now, would you say that's accurate and accurate depiction? I don't think that's true. I think that's true. I think that was always true. Are we still making I don't think it's anymore so. Now I'm not, like, obviously again, not in the world of comedy yet until I make my Morgan Freeman like entrance at my very very old age. And I'll wear a glove too, probably as well, just for the hell of it. Um, But is there like a next Chris Rock, Like, is there a next? I mean, I don't want to I hate to say, I hate to say Louis K. But Louis KA was before he was you know, became you know, whatever version of Louis Ka he is now, who's a creep in a in a weirdo. He was like massively mainstream popular, Like everybody loved Louis c K, like just cut across all, you know, he had a show. You know, I've seen a lot of really funny specials. There's way more comedy specials than there have ever been. I feel like right now, like there's like a dime a dozen you you know, on everyone's streaming service. But it can people get to can people still get to like a Chris Rock love? You know, I don't think people get the reps that they used to. I think that everything is so fractured. Also, it's like audiences are so fractured because you can search for the thing that you like already, right you know, people don't have to coalesce around one entity, you know, and it makes it so much more difficult for someone to get that big. But people, you know, it's like how big do you have to get I mean there's still comedians like selling out Madison Square Gardens. I mean Louise sold out Madison Square Gardens like on more than one night. I think, yeah, yeah, but that's like like in New York, right, there's gotta be a whole set of people that have no awareness about his sex creep stuff, Like they're not they just don't didn't read the article, they didn't see the story, right, Like if you think about them, just massive people that exist. Yeah, well, it's it's also in how you present that information of what he did, right, Because there's no legal entanglement, then it really gives people car to just whatever spin on it they want. Right. They can be like, well, the girls, you know, exaggerated or they were just looking for attention or whatever fucking you know, ship to people. I mean, the thing I hear they he asked and they said yes, right, sure. Anyway, you know, it's like it's if only he'd come out with that statement, yeah, he'd be like, well they I asked, and they said, yeah, so I think everything's fine, no big deal. No, but he turned heel, right, And what would have been nice if he'd have been like, oh yeah, I really hadn't put it in that perspective, and uh said that more than once. I think Louis k could be back on top and full on mainstream like new shows like setting even doing better than selling that mass still hostings and now if he had simply just come up with like what felt like a heartfelt and decent like explanation and apology for the situation. But I feel like his reaction was like, I'm going to be angry at people for feeling like this was like bad of me or whatever, Like he kind of didn't really go like, yeah, I fucked up and this is really bad and I need to work on it, and I feel horrible and I've apologized privately to these people and I'm gonna, you know, be a better man or what you know, whatever you would say that can exonerate you from not exonerate you, but at least get people going like, well, at least he you know, kind of realizes, yeah, I think some of that Like in the nineties, um, like Hugh Grant, yes, you know, gets caught with a prostitute who has to go on. Jay Leno says he's sorry everybody. Everybody in the world watched that because we were all watching it anyway, there's a there's only things, you know, so many things, that's right. There was actually there were only like two things to watch at eleven thirty on on in the week for sure. So now you have to go on like ten podcasts, do six late night set or you know appearances. Yeah, um, you gotta do an Oprah and all of that. You know, Cobbled Together gets as many views as that. Right, Well, we've we have you know, Jay Leno, but we've distributed. Well that's because we've just distributed the audiences across all of these wonderful platforms. We're no longer gate kept by the networks. Okay, you can just if you want to put a message out to the world, you just go post it on YouTube and anybody can see it or nobody usually is what actually happens. Nobody sees it. But yeah, yeah, that's the thing. And so today you go do the Tonight Show and you say you're sorry, and you think that that's gonna like, Okay, I did it. That's not the case anymore, right, did he do that though he didn't do that. No, he put out a statement that like said all the things that you want to hear. Yeah, I would have were Louis, of course I'm not. To me, that's like make your next whatever you do next, needs to be addressing this in like a totally real way, like everything he's done comedically. I feel like it's like he's like very real, like very Rod's very like this is how I feel and think or whatever, Like why not just go wow, like I fucked up and I'm now I'm like going to talk about it because that's what I do for a living. As I talk about shit that's on my mind. I feel like anyway, whatever I'm not, I don't need to give Louis career advice. But I guess my point is like getting back to the kind of main thing here is like Louis Kay was a massive, super popular I mean in a way like did did even shit like that make it harder for somebody to become like the next Chappelle or the next Louis k or whatever. I mean? Is it It's not just the platform stuff is not just like the way the audiences have been broken apart. But is it Like I don't know, has comedy lost its sheen a little bit? I mean, has it lost It's the differences? Like you could get big like Dane Cook off of a stand up comedy before, but now you can't. You have to get big off of your movies, your TV shows, and you know, also your stand up comedy. And the thing about the specials now is that when you watch a special filmed at Madison Square Garden, when you watch someone special, you're looking at a formerly great comedian, a person who formerly went out every night and killed it for an hour in front of crowds all over the country every night, killed right, that was their job. And then they did movies for five years, yeah, and stop doing stand up completely. And then they get a special and they do stand up for six weeks and then do an hour and you're like, that's not what it's not? Yeah, the kind of razor sharp version of themselves. Right. Well, I mean, listen, everybody gets old. Everybody gets old, and not me. If you get rich doing whatever the other things are, my guess is you probably don't want to go out on the road anymore. And grind oh fuck, are you continuing to pursue comedy? Is this? You feel like you're going to continue with all of this? And I gotta say you, we've painted a very a very dark picture. No, I for sure have and it's so funny. How many dates I'm gonna say at the end, are you gonna promote many shows you're doing? Okay, so you're going how many nights a week are you out doing doing a comedy? Um? I did a special for Epics, which is a channel like a year and half ago. If I had to done my research, I would have watched that. No, it's fine, And so after that I haven't really been doing stand up comedy because that's when my baby came into the world, and stand up comedy is uh, you know, it's diminishing return. Sure, but I have an album deal that I signed three years ago, and they're like, you gotta make this up. Are you signed a deal to do an album and you and you never and you never released any albums? Is that what you're saying? Oh? No, I have an album it's called Yelling. But now I'm saying, oh, with this with this current deal, like they're still waiting on material from you. Oh yeah, yeah, they're still wait right, And that's that's a lot of pressure. They were like, do this thing, and I was like, that makes sense, right, And so I'm going to record an album in uh in April. But before that, I'm on the road a bunch. And where do you do that? Do you go one venue you're like, I'm going to record here or is it? Do you get multiple places and you put it together? No? I mean because it costs the label money right to do it again, to bring out the fancy microphone right when they record it, to give you the really all in that one by that really good microphone, like just and we have there, like we have an hour of tape. We're doing this on analog. We wanted to have that analog warmth, but you have an hour and then we run out of tape. Bring in the mieh. It takes six guys to carry it. It's a really but it's German. I mean you know it's German engineered. So it's really good stuff. So you're doing when are you doing that? When are you going to record an album? That'll be mid April. I don't have a date set um, but it's most likely here at the Lyric Hyperion in Los Angeles. And you're like, good to go, You've got all your material, You're ready, You're locked and loaded. You know exactly what you're gonna do well. You know it'll be better once I finish all my road dates, right, which you're gonna tell us about at the end of this. We're not Oh you can't. We're not there yet. We're not there yet because I haven't asked you the most important question. Do you remember where you were when you heard the UM nineteen ninety eight smash Rave Hit Pistol Whip by Joshua Ryan? Can you place the time? The venue? Who was Djane? Do you happen to know? Okay, you were a raver? We should say you were a raver in the nineties. I for sure it was Okay, you had Jenkos, you had real original Jenkos late nineties. Yeah. Uh. The DC scene a very hot scene. Uh, Scott Henry for sure? Yeah? Who or the other? I'm trying to think of other DC DJs on Cox. Carl Cox is from Detroit, though, isn't he? I don't know. I was just trying to remember a name. Kay, I don't care. I was there for the ecstasy. That's a name of a DJ O. Wait, Carl cox By, Actually, Carl Cox I think is British? Wait who is Carl? Oh? Yeah, Cox is British. I'm thinking of Carl Craig, who is from Detroit. Yeah, I don't know. You don't know, but I do. He's Detroit kind of Detroit techno pioneer. Carl Cox is from England and he might have been like a Radio one DJ at some point as well. He's like a peaked tong era luminary. I was trying to remember the name of the guy whose slogan was like all music, no drugs, this or something. I don't know. That guy sounds like no fun to me though. Yeah, he was like the one sober that's no good, that's not good. I don't think that was it was he British. It's not possible, is it. There's no sober British people, you know. I don't know. I really, I've never met a sober British person for the record, So, yeah, it was really fucked up trance music. Trance, okay, Yeah, well that's that's what that's what you're into. There's no question that you definitely were on ecstasy dancing to a record that I produced. This is I'm sorry, Um, I'm losing my voice. I'm not sure what to do. Are you you sick? Yeah? Really? Oh well, you didn't tell me that I didn't know Lyra, you didn't tell me that this man was coming on at risk to his vocal cords. I'm getting over it, you are. But all right, Nick, Well here's I think this is a sign you're losing your voice, which means I, well, you and I have talked so much we didn't even get into we're gonna have to apart two about rave years. I feel so guilty. It's God's way of saying to us, wrap it up. You know this is God doing that circular emotion. You know that finger emotion. Is this the wrap it up motion? This right here? Yeah? Am I doing it the wrong direction? Is there a right direction? Is it like this? God famously has no patience like that. He's like, let's go. You mentioned earlier when we were deep in our very serious conversation about the perils of comedy and whether or not you would continue on with your comedy career, which clearly you're going to, even even in the face of will Smith like attacks happening all the time, will Smith like physical altercations happening on stages everywhere, You're going to continue on, and and you're going to tell people listening to this that you've got some upcoming comedy dates. You're willing to risk it all life and limb to speak your truth, your powerful modern day philosopher style truth to the masses. So please tell us Nick, where we can hear the words of wisdom. Yes, I hope that everyone is ready, um, and I will not speak for the next forty eight hours so they I can do the shows. Okay, good, Okay. This weekend March tenth, I'm in Santa Cruz, California. That's California, Marshall eleventh, I'm at the Hideout in San Francisco. That's also California. Yes. And then next week on the seventeenth, I'm in Salem, Oregon. And on the eighteenth back in San Francisco. Um. April seventh, I'm in Houston, and I'm also going to be in Austin and Dallas wow on that trip as well. So check out my Twitter at Nick's Turners. Terrible name, just plural terrible. Sorry, Nick Turners, It's just Nick Turner with an ass on the end of each of the name. Sucks. Joshes. I gotta tell you, I know you already know this. It is like incredibly bad, just a incredibly bad idea. For so I've had people at shows like be like, um oh, I'm bringing you up next, like, is it Nicks because they saw my handle? No, it's terrible. Yeah, that and losing my voice are the two worst ideas I've ever had. This is the thing about great comedians and great comedy is from the depths of despair, from a dark place, you're able to shine a bright light and speak on issues that we all connect with. And that is why that's why You've got whoever's listening has to if you're in anywhere near where Nick is performing, you have to go and be shown that light in person. Even if his voice is completely failing as it is now, I'm sure it will still be you know, it'll be painful to listen to, but at the end of the day, the truths that he's to be speaking will be very valuable to have heard. No, if I if my voice went before a show, would you would see my backup? It would be you, Josh, you first, Well, I would love Will you step in? I will tell you this, if you call, I will be there. I have no material prepared, but I'm willing to do it off the cuff, which I believe, even though I know I think it's classically considered to be the absolute worst thing you can do, I believe that I could really do a great job just riffing. So I'm ready to jump up there. Yeah, well you know why. It's because riffing is easier than writing. Yeah, I don't have to write jokes because I can just ramble, and I think that'll be just as good as a real comedy act. Yeah, comedy. Really, it's like, if you want a guaranteed laugh, you ask an audience member any question and then they respond in any way, and then you go, Okay, I get well, I get that. I get that. That checks out for me, Like in my soul, I hear what you're saying, and it's like you just you could just mock a person. If you could just mock a person for any reason. Yeah, there's somebody's gonna connect shirt up. No one can even see the shirt. Someone will connect. God, someone will connect with you making fun of another person in some kind of vague way, right, Like you're not really even commented on the thing. You're just reacting in a kind of mocking manner, which I think if people understand that's good yeah, and this sucks because I did have questions about how the DJ hierarchy worked in the No, man, there's I have so many answers too. I know that you wrote your own song. I did because you were doing it the right way. That's correct. I was a DJ, producer, producer DJ. Would you say you're more or less talented than one of the most testiful DJs of all time, DJ Paris Hilton. Well, there's no doubt that Paris Hilton is very talented. Yeah, in a bunch of different ways. Like, of course she's been handed everything in life. But a lot of people get all of the riches in the world and get the name and they can't do anything with it. Paris Hilton is undoubtedly a very talented, very talented performer and personality. As to her DJ in capabilities, I have never heard her DJ. I have heard her song Stars Are Blind, which I consider to be a banger. So if her DJ is anything like Stars Are Blind? Are you familiar with the song? By the way, No, I need to hear you sing it. Oh really, it's it's quite a catchy little I would say. I want to say like reggae infused pop song that she did in the I want to call it like two thousand and six or two thousand and three or something somewhere between two thousand three two six. Anyhow, I mean, if if her Dje is anything like her song Stars Are Blind, which is the only music of hers I've ever heard, then I would say she's she's a Tisto level talent. Oh my god. I'm not sure if you respect him, but I doubt that you do. Here's what I will say about Tisto. I think, first off, Tiesto was like a regular sort of underground trance producer and then became super huge and rode a wave of very kind of I would say, populist kind of trance, like very commercial maga trans not maga, but like people who are maga. It's the kind of trance music they enjoy too, you know. It's like Vegas trance exactly. It's a great way to describe it. However, Tiesto has remained and I will stand by this consistently one of the best like producers of club music. And I don't mean like there's even the super cheesy stuff. I'm not a listener, Like I don't listen to Tisto certainly his singles. I have DJed several of them in the old days, back in the day, but even some of his later stuff, I'm like, you know he can it's like pretty good at like putting together a pretty like credible like club track and not just like the cheesy shit like actually like pretty good like late night like three am, like it's hits really serious now like we've gotten rid of the we've gotten rid of the phonies with like the cheesy pop trance or whatever, and now like it's deep. It's deep and dark. I mean, you know Flight six four three if you I don't know if you've ever heard it is a Tisto. It was massively popular Tisto single. I wouldn't know the name of the song, but I would know it. I'm sure it was released two thousand and one, two thousand and one Flight six four three, and this was when he was getting really popular. Is like, it's kind of unbelievable how interesting it is as a song, although you have to be in you have to understand where it's where it functions, right, like like that kind of music doesn't function like you can listen to it on like a stereo that's fine or whatever. But it doesn't function that way, Like it actually is meant for an environment where literally it doesn't sound the same way, Like the way it functions physically in a space is different. Like that kind of music is meant to do something to people that is not the same thing as like a song you listen to on the radio, So out of context it can be like you're like, well, who cares or what does this do or what does it matter? In context it's like, oh, this is like your mind would be absolutely fucking blown. Like my record that I mentioned earlier, Pistol, which is like kind of a hit, like was a hit for its time amongst like trance people or whatever. Yo, what is that? What are the members on that? I mean, I don't know. It was top forty hit in England one week. I can tell you that for one week it it was twenty nine on the top forty charts in England, So I can tell you we've got at least to that level of like it was such a popular, non vocal, totally instrumental nine minute track that it was on the top forty charts in all of the UK. It'll take you down the whole khole nine minutes they did a radio edit, but at any rate. But you know, But but I hated it when I had finished it, because this is what happens when you make music. You finish it and then you're like, this sucks. I fucking hate it by the time it goes out comes out on a piece of vinyl. Of course, this in the nineties, late nineties. Like I remember they got it into my local record store and they were like playing it and I'm like, a fucking song so stupid, Like why did they do this? And and I remember the guy at the record store like listening to it through like the breakdown and build up or whatever, and he was like he's like, Josh, this is pretty crazy. And I was like it really, I think it kind of blows and uh. And everybody was like this is really good, and I was like, this sucks. But I didn't really understand how it worked. Like weirdly, even though I made it, I didn't understand how it worked in a room full of people at three in the morning. It was like, it's a different It's it's just a totally different listening experience. It's a totally different like environment to hear something in so Yo. I'm wondering if you like um guys you would hang out with in the green room. Yeah, like just to likeing it to stand up, Like do you did like a bunch of those guys become massively successful? Uh No, Okay. I knew some very successful DJs, and I knew some people who were like seemed like they could be on the um, you know, upswing. There are a few people I know who well I went from being pretty successful too, very successful. The numbers very small, very small. I mean, it's like, I don't know if this is true. I'm sure it is true. In comedy, there were a lot of people who were not good, and we're just kicking around all the time because like you need some DJs at a club, or you need some DJs at a rave, and there's always gonna be a few guys who are local, a few people who are local, not just not just man. Obviously, very few of those people ever rose to and in fact, almost nobody really rose to any kind of level of success. I mean, like, let's put it this way, in terms of DJs from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania who had any level of success, like beyond Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's like me and like maybe one or two other people. Like it was a magical time. It was a magical time when when in the nineties when rave music became like somewhat popular. But we I mean, the ship we did was I mean, this is I'm just rambling now, but the ship we did was not like playing in clubs. A lot of stuff we did, like renegade parties. We used to like bring a sound system to an alley on the north side of Pittsburgh and we'd like give people like flyers at like a club. But when it was letting out and we get like a hundred people in an alley like with a system in the back of a truck, which was like shit that like you hear about them doing in England when like the rave scene was actually beginning, and that's what it was like in like a place like Pittsburgh. There was a very small segment of people who would actually go and wanted to listen to that shit. So it's like a really weird, exciting sort of That's so funny because that reminds me of all the guys that tried to start shows on the subway, like like comedy shows. We'll go to them, wait you need, like comedy, like literal comedy. Nobody wants to hear a fucking comedy on the subway. Nobody wants to or anything on the sub nobody wants it. The worst, the worst thing you can do is literally anything on a subway that isn't sitting there and waiting for your stop, like any single thing, eating a fucking bag of chips, doing a fucking stand up routine, playing like a bucket, like a drum or whatever. No one wants it. No one wants to hear it. No one likes it. The fucking dancing troops to come on. Everybody's annoyed by it. I mean in a place like New York, I don't know, Like maybe in Philly, it's a different story. Were you in Philly on this? Where were you doing this? No? I did. I was in New York for sixteen years. Okay, okay, So it was in New York where you were people. Your friend was like, Hey, let's get on the fucking you know, m or whatever, Let's get on the jay. Let's get on the jay trade and do a fucking routine. God, it's so funny because it was like every three years, a new guy had the idea like he's gonna do they make it? Do they get Kevin Hart level? I mean, this is the thing, right, Where are those guys? Now? Where are the train comedian guys? Have them made it? Nobody makes it? Nobody makes it. The fact that we're even sitting here at all, that you would that anybody involved in this even we're not. This is not certainly not the most popular podcast in the world. A lot of people. No, just no one on the subway, No the subway guys, but just in general, we're talking about how it's like we've you know, all of this stuff has been dispersed and diffused or whatever. You know, the fact that you're doing you have an album that you're gonna do. That's how many comedians get an album. It's not that many. Really, I understand. There's more than we probably all know about. I'm not a comedy expert, but you know it's rare. That's rare. I'm special And unfortunately you won't be able to do it because you've lost your voice. My career is over. It was a great run. Yeah, well, there was no better way to use the last hour of my voice. Yeah, I think this is a great way to go out, go out on top. I think when you do this podcast, you've reached the pinnacle of So if this is it for your voice, this is you couldn't have gotten any higher anyhow. Oh wow, it worked out great anyhow, Thank you and come back. Thank you so much. I do want to say, I have a podcast called to Show Me the Money and it's only during movie Awards season and is about betting on the Oscars. Oh and it's our last week of the year. Are you a gambling man? I am, but only there's I'm only an expert on gambling on the movies, and I really am an expert. Okay. Is Brendan Frasier gonna win? Is Brendan Fraser gonna win? For the way he has to write? They gotta give it to him. I have him on my ballot. Yes, he's got to win. It's just we need something good in this world to happen. We need something good. And I don't even know if the movie is good. I just like Brendan Fraser and I want to see him win an Oscar. I think he's just earned it. He's gone through a lot of shit in his life. Well, you'll be pleased to know the movie is not good okay, but neither is Elvis, so who the fuck? Oh no, Elvis seems absolutely crazy. I watch five minutes of it. Sorry, this a whole again, whole other podcast. But you're sorry. Your podcast it is literally a whole other podcast. It is called what the Show Me the Money? The Show Me the Money? That's the whole name is with the the in front of it. Okay, I don't know you're naming stuff. I think you need like a partner, a naming partner, like somebody should work with you on like how to brand the thing. It's over this week we'll have a new title. And what do you have for best picture? What's whinny best picture? Just tell us spoil it for us. Oh, it's everything everywhere, all at once with Ady right, not even close. They're gonna sweep. They're gonna sweep, right, Kay, Blanchet's gonna win everything. I haven't seen tar either. Well, this is great stuff, all right, listen to the one remaining episode of the Show Me the Money? Right, one remaining episode, we'll do a recap, yeah, and then go see Nick in the many places he'll be doing comedy. Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show. It's my favorite thing I've ever done. Thank you, Josh. That's right, thank you for saying that, and I know it's true, so I appreciate it. It is. How do you follow that, Well, I'll tell you how you follow it as you get him back for the nineties conversation, because I feel like we didn't even get into so many things about the nineties that I wanted to discuss, like which season of the Real World was the best and most surprising in the early you know, in the early to mid nineties, which people now they don't care, it doesn't matter. Reality TV is everywhere, but when Nick and I were youngsters, we experience the Real World Season one, which is the grandfather of all reality TV. That is the ultimate starting point of modern reality television. We witness that shit in real time. Imagine seeing a reality show for the first time ever, and no other reality shows had ever existed. You can't imagine Anyhow, next time we'll talk about that. I'm not talking about it now because I can't do it without Nick. Anyhow. That is our show for this week. There will be more next week, and as always, I wish you and your family the very, very very best,