You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills from news Talk said B debating the good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between. Friday face off with Quinnovic Wellington's property management experts call oh eight hundred Quinnovic.

You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills from news Talk said B debating the good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between. Friday face off with Quinnovic Wellington's property management experts call oh eight hundred Quinnovic.

Stars.

Stars.

It's our final Friday face off of the year.

It's our final Friday face off of the year.

So we thought long and hard and we really wanted to bring some star power to Prefab because that's.

So we thought long and hard and we really wanted to bring some star power to Prefab because that's.

Where all the stars hang out.

Where all the stars hang out.

Joining us today are two legends of broadcasting, Mark Sainsbury and poly Gillisi.

Joining us today are two legends of broadcasting, Mark Sainsbury and poly Gillisi.

Good morning and welcome to both of you. And thank you are you Nick?

Good morning and welcome to both of you. And thank you are you Nick?

Thank you great intro.

Thank you great intro.

Good to be here at pre Fab.

Good to be here at pre Fab.

Nice and a belated happy birthday for yesterday.

Nice and a belated happy birthday for yesterday.

Where was the invite to the party?

Where was the invite to the party?

I did not have a party?

I did not have a party?

You did? That was great?

You did? That was great?

That would.

That would.

No one else knew about that.

No one else knew about that.

Let's start by looking at the year that was.

Let's start by looking at the year that was.

It's been another tough year.

It's been another tough year.

Oh yeah, tough year, yep, particularly tough in Wellington. I mean the numbers go from one hundred thousand to two thousands of job losses and all the things in between.

Oh yeah, tough year, yep, particularly tough in Wellington. I mean the numbers go from one hundred thousand to two thousands of job losses and all the things in between.

I'll start with you, Polly, Yeah, what are the hives and lows for.

I'll start with you, Polly, Yeah, what are the hives and lows for.

The cheese high of the year. I think the high the year for me was probably the Hikoi and the gathering a parliament around Tarenti or Watanga. I loved that feeling of a united kind of I don't know, people's revolution in a good way. So that was a high for me. I loved that. I loved that low. I think just in general, the fact that every time I come into Wellington City I see another business plan, you know, I see people going through so much hardship. So I guess that's a general wave of low that I feel.

The cheese high of the year. I think the high the year for me was probably the Hikoi and the gathering a parliament around Tarenti or Watanga. I loved that feeling of a united kind of I don't know, people's revolution in a good way. So that was a high for me. I loved that. I loved that low. I think just in general, the fact that every time I come into Wellington City I see another business plan, you know, I see people going through so much hardship. So I guess that's a general wave of low that I feel.

Mark Sainsbury.

Mark Sainsbury.

I should never have shown polymer notes, of course, because because the Hekoi was my high of the year. I mean, I was really impressed with that. I went down there, took a couple of friends who are getting on.

I should never have shown polymer notes, of course, because because the Hekoi was my high of the year. I mean, I was really impressed with that. I went down there, took a couple of friends who are getting on.

Did you go on? Yeah?

Did you go on? Yeah?

Yeah, well we joined two people couldn't really walk with us, so we took them to Palm but joined in there. The vibe neck was just so amazing, that was and the sheer size of it.

Yeah, well we joined two people couldn't really walk with us, so we took them to Palm but joined in there. The vibe neck was just so amazing, that was and the sheer size of it.

So I think that was my high of the year.

So I think that was my high of the year.

It was also my low in a way because it should never have happened, A pointless political thing even you know, it just shows a bit of an experience on Luckxelon's part. That was he said, right from the start, he made it absolutely clear, and I'll give him credit for this. We're not going to let it go past the second reading, you know, voting first reading.

It was also my low in a way because it should never have happened, A pointless political thing even you know, it just shows a bit of an experience on Luckxelon's part. That was he said, right from the start, he made it absolutely clear, and I'll give him credit for this. We're not going to let it go past the second reading, you know, voting first reading.

We're going to stop it. But they allowed all that damage.

We're going to stop it. But they allowed all that damage.

That they never needed to be done to happen, and the divisiveness, and I just thought it was a total waste of time in the space you.

That they never needed to be done to happen, and the divisiveness, and I just thought it was a total waste of time in the space you.

I found amazing was David Seymore saying I came out and no one would listen to me, And I was like, are you living under a rock? You think went with hush to hear your your words? And I found it incredible that he seemed to have no idea of what he was doing or what he was suggested.

I found amazing was David Seymore saying I came out and no one would listen to me, And I was like, are you living under a rock? You think went with hush to hear your your words? And I found it incredible that he seemed to have no idea of what he was doing or what he was suggested.

I don't think he still does.

I don't think he still does.

I don't think he's still done, or he doesn't care, or he thinks it's going to make him stronger.

I don't think he's still done, or he doesn't care, or he thinks it's going to make him stronger.

And it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out, neck because already seen the Mari or the party Mari've already had benefits from what's happened, and there was always the feeling that this was going to be good back but I'll.

And it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out, neck because already seen the Mari or the party Mari've already had benefits from what's happened, and there was always the feeling that this was going to be good back but I'll.

Come at the expense probably of nationals.

Come at the expense probably of nationals.

So I don't know where this is going. And it has caused it really has caused such disunity. The other thing that really amazed me, and I know it's not you know what we said these days, but there was so much Tyrao, people embracing the language, all the young people who were there on that on that.

So I don't know where this is going. And it has caused it really has caused such disunity. The other thing that really amazed me, and I know it's not you know what we said these days, but there was so much Tyrao, people embracing the language, all the young people who were there on that on that.

Heckay it was.

Heckay it was.

There was nothing wrecking about it. Lots of gang members because it was the last day, people would.

There was nothing wrecking about it. Lots of gang members because it was the last day, people would.

Wear patches as well. But it was just a good bite.

Wear patches as well. But it was just a good bite.

I found interesting because somebody said to me. It was on Facebook. Somebody said to me, I'm too scared to go down there. There are guys and gang members with patches. And I said, unless you owe the money or you've done something, they're not gonna they're not gonna hurt you. They're not gonna hurt you. What are you afraid of? You know that? That that? I found that interesting? But you're right about and traveling up north going through like for Tucky and Levin and everything and seeing all the flags build up, Oh, just beautiful and it's still there. And the pride in being Moray, I thought I thought it was incredible, I think.

I found interesting because somebody said to me. It was on Facebook. Somebody said to me, I'm too scared to go down there. There are guys and gang members with patches. And I said, unless you owe the money or you've done something, they're not gonna they're not gonna hurt you. They're not gonna hurt you. What are you afraid of? You know that? That that? I found that interesting? But you're right about and traveling up north going through like for Tucky and Levin and everything and seeing all the flags build up, Oh, just beautiful and it's still there. And the pride in being Moray, I thought I thought it was incredible, I think.

But for the reasonable but the rest of the year, I just think it's okay.

But for the reasonable but the rest of the year, I just think it's okay.

Can I just go back to that. Do you think that Tapati Marii got too much? I don't know credence for that, because I think that that hikoy was far, far bigger than them. I think it was just a lot of people that wanted to show their frustration, that wanted to say that they want to involve.

Can I just go back to that. Do you think that Tapati Marii got too much? I don't know credence for that, because I think that that hikoy was far, far bigger than them. I think it was just a lot of people that wanted to show their frustration, that wanted to say that they want to involve.

I think they yeah, but they were involved on an organizational level that they were doing quite a lot to sort of get that going, and and it really became front and center around them.

I think they yeah, but they were involved on an organizational level that they were doing quite a lot to sort of get that going, and and it really became front and center around them.

And yes, you're right, a lot of people picked up in it. Ordinate people.

And yes, you're right, a lot of people picked up in it. Ordinate people.

I'm just saying you, yeah, yeah, you know, you're not a member of the party marriage, not likely to even be a member.

I'm just saying you, yeah, yeah, you know, you're not a member of the party marriage, not likely to even be a member.

But I felt strong, and so did quite a number of my friends.

But I felt strong, and so did quite a number of my friends.

So that's not exactly what I'm doing.

So that's not exactly what I'm doing.

I'm looking at the three of us, and we are all or have been married to people of other races Maori someone, so we're already going to be kind of leaning into that. But there were so many people, you know, like my mookors school said, if you want to take your children to they will be marked absent with good reason. So schools were embracing it. You know that was an island Bayed school. They embraced it. I thought, this is really cool. I felt I felt sort of like again a sort of people's revolution, power of the people.

I'm looking at the three of us, and we are all or have been married to people of other races Maori someone, so we're already going to be kind of leaning into that. But there were so many people, you know, like my mookors school said, if you want to take your children to they will be marked absent with good reason. So schools were embracing it. You know that was an island Bayed school. They embraced it. I thought, this is really cool. I felt I felt sort of like again a sort of people's revolution, power of the people.

I like it.

I like it.

While we're talking about twenty twenty four, what do you think that we have done as a country better? Where are we improve moving? Where are we starting to think that we're done?

While we're talking about twenty twenty four, what do you think that we have done as a country better? Where are we improve moving? Where are we starting to think that we're done?

You go throughst you know, where.

You go throughst you know, where.

Do you think we've done? You know, like even it's even narrow it down to Wellington. Is there anything that's happened in Wellington where you've gone, Gosh, this is good. It feels like we're getting there again.

Do you think we've done? You know, like even it's even narrow it down to Wellington. Is there anything that's happened in Wellington where you've gone, Gosh, this is good. It feels like we're getting there again.

The only thing that made me feel like that, to be frank next was when the sun came out towards the end of this year summer, you know, summer you feel real change.

The only thing that made me feel like that, to be frank next was when the sun came out towards the end of this year summer, you know, summer you feel real change.

And this has been He doesn't mean a good year. I mean we've all know people.

And this has been He doesn't mean a good year. I mean we've all know people.

And I heard you talking to Nicola Willis before about the job losses and stuff. But it's interesting you're saying that she didn't think the impact on Wonnington was as big as whatever was saying.

And I heard you talking to Nicola Willis before about the job losses and stuff. But it's interesting you're saying that she didn't think the impact on Wonnington was as big as whatever was saying.

But you feel it. We all know people and it's just like we need to get out of this downhill slide.

But you feel it. We all know people and it's just like we need to get out of this downhill slide.

I need three people to say I went to a meeting right, three people the only three people I really spoke to other than the people in the meeting. A guy coming in as I was going out, a guy who was having a vape, Worth and my Uber driver all lost their jobs this week. Three people, the only three people I had interactions with, lost their jobs here in Wellington. Highlight for me though, the things I think we have done well. I think Brutown worth something hut sounds. We've had some great gigs like Hollow Sailor and Dragon, which was fantastic, So I think Banksy.

I need three people to say I went to a meeting right, three people the only three people I really spoke to other than the people in the meeting. A guy coming in as I was going out, a guy who was having a vape, Worth and my Uber driver all lost their jobs this week. Three people, the only three people I had interactions with, lost their jobs here in Wellington. Highlight for me though, the things I think we have done well. I think Brutown worth something hut sounds. We've had some great gigs like Hollow Sailor and Dragon, which was fantastic, So I think Banksy.

Fantastic. Have you seen it? Yeah?

Fantastic. Have you seen it? Yeah?

I have. I got I got invilighted to the preview and it was I heard all the stories about Banksy and it was amazing. And then Vivian wist, what is coming? So the arts I think and the gigs Brutown I think is going off.

I have. I got I got invilighted to the preview and it was I heard all the stories about Banksy and it was amazing. And then Vivian wist, what is coming? So the arts I think and the gigs Brutown I think is going off.

You're doing well, very well. It's funny.

You're doing well, very well. It's funny.

I've got a nephew over from America who's coming out to study here, my brother's son, and he was saying, I mean he's eighteen, you know, so.

I've got a nephew over from America who's coming out to study here, my brother's son, and he was saying, I mean he's eighteen, you know, so.

He's just living from the stakes. Just before it's about a.

He's just living from the stakes. Just before it's about a.

Month ago, and he was saying he wondered about Wellington whether the you know what used to used to be that sort of especially aroundstead of the arts and alternative stuff, and there was that sort of almost that sort of groovy chevy sheet.

Month ago, and he was saying he wondered about Wellington whether the you know what used to used to be that sort of especially aroundstead of the arts and alternative stuff, and there was that sort of almost that sort of groovy chevy sheet.

To it, but now it's just chevy. Yeah. I think that was just observation.

To it, but now it's just chevy. Yeah. I think that was just observation.

It's our final Friday face and we wanted to do something really different, you know, bring some broadcasters in that every Welling Tony and you would listen to their opinions. Mark Sainsbury and Polly Gillespie were number one and number two of who we wanted and guess what we got them both?

It's our final Friday face and we wanted to do something really different, you know, bring some broadcasters in that every Welling Tony and you would listen to their opinions. Mark Sainsbury and Polly Gillespie were number one and number two of who we wanted and guess what we got them both?

Which one was one and which one?

Which one was one and which one?

I knew you were going to come back with that your competitive bugger you. Yeah, we're going to come back with that. Well, Polly's always going to be double what Right. Let's have a little bit of a chat about the government. It's been their first full year this year. What have you made of the political scene this year, Polly? And how did the government perform for you?

I knew you were going to come back with that your competitive bugger you. Yeah, we're going to come back with that. Well, Polly's always going to be double what Right. Let's have a little bit of a chat about the government. It's been their first full year this year. What have you made of the political scene this year, Polly? And how did the government perform for you?

Well, they didn't do anything for me. I don't know, it's a bit like I feel a bit like Winston Peters is the Wizard of Oz, so it's like the Winston of Oz and we're all Dorothy and the tin Men and the Scarecrow and the Lion and Toto following the yellow brick road, not really knowing where we're going. I don't know. It just seems like it's been such a mixed meshed mess of a government this year. You know, there's been scandals. Every party's had a scandal. Minimum wage has gone up, yeah, okay, small business is suffering. I don't know. It just seems like it's just a mess. It seems like a mess to me.

Well, they didn't do anything for me. I don't know, it's a bit like I feel a bit like Winston Peters is the Wizard of Oz, so it's like the Winston of Oz and we're all Dorothy and the tin Men and the Scarecrow and the Lion and Toto following the yellow brick road, not really knowing where we're going. I don't know. It just seems like it's been such a mixed meshed mess of a government this year. You know, there's been scandals. Every party's had a scandal. Minimum wage has gone up, yeah, okay, small business is suffering. I don't know. It just seems like it's just a mess. It seems like a mess to me.

Minimum ways went up the lowest ways it's been up for years. I mean, it really hasn't held it since or something.

Minimum ways went up the lowest ways it's been up for years. I mean, it really hasn't held it since or something.

It was a dollar something.

It was a dollar something.

But I don't know. It just seems messy. And maybe it's the it's the crossover period of the last government and this government. But what a hodgepodge of a mess. And I feel like, did you expect more? Oh? No, not really don't. I had no expectations anymore. Now I feel like there's a precare. We've talked about this before. We're precarious we middle class, working class people are being sort of pushed into never never land. The poor get poorer, the rich get richer, and the middle class seems to be being edged out there. So there's no breaks for just the average person. And this government, I don't know if it's their fould or whether it was the last government where it just just all seems missy at the moment in my opinion.

But I don't know. It just seems messy. And maybe it's the it's the crossover period of the last government and this government. But what a hodgepodge of a mess. And I feel like, did you expect more? Oh? No, not really don't. I had no expectations anymore. Now I feel like there's a precare. We've talked about this before. We're precarious we middle class, working class people are being sort of pushed into never never land. The poor get poorer, the rich get richer, and the middle class seems to be being edged out there. So there's no breaks for just the average person. And this government, I don't know if it's their fould or whether it was the last government where it just just all seems missy at the moment in my opinion.

Yeah, look, it's interesting because you came from you know, the criticism of labor is that nothing was happening.

Yeah, look, it's interesting because you came from you know, the criticism of labor is that nothing was happening.

You know, there was too much talk.

You know, there was too much talk.

About and they, to be honest, they did not deserve to get back and again on the basis of their performance last term. So what you wanted to see and they seem to be almost but captured by this doing something.

About and they, to be honest, they did not deserve to get back and again on the basis of their performance last term. So what you wanted to see and they seem to be almost but captured by this doing something.

So head on this thing. We're going to do this, We're gonna do that, We're going to create these listens. It's going to be all this stuff.

So head on this thing. We're going to do this, We're gonna do that, We're going to create these listens. It's going to be all this stuff.

So on one hand, you wanted to see something happening, but then you have a like with the Faeries and your thank god, where's this going?

So on one hand, you wanted to see something happening, but then you have a like with the Faeries and your thank god, where's this going?

I mean, are they on top of this and all that?

I mean, are they on top of this and all that?

It's the business talk and that business speak that they think that annoys me.

It's the business talk and that business speak that they think that annoys me.

I guess the most was of Crystal Lutcheon. You've got to get Look, he's coming as a as a.

I guess the most was of Crystal Lutcheon. You've got to get Look, he's coming as a as a.

PM under politically compared to anyone else.

PM under politically compared to anyone else.

You got to give him with no risk.

You got to give him with no risk.

And I see Barry Sober named it was this Politician of the Year on that basis he thought he's handled the job, having come in and done all this stuff.

And I see Barry Sober named it was this Politician of the Year on that basis he thought he's handled the job, having come in and done all this stuff.

He's got no rhos.

He's got no rhos.

I totally disagree.

I totally disagree.

It's just it's and it's gonna be interesting to watch politically how that goes over.

It's just it's and it's gonna be interesting to watch politically how that goes over.

Why why do we the people in New Zealand not gelled towards Crystopher Luxe.

Why why do we the people in New Zealand not gelled towards Crystopher Luxe.

I mean, you know he's not that popular.

I mean, you know he's not that popular.

Well, he's well, I mean, to be perfectly blunt. He's got no riots, he's got no charisma, he's got no he's not eloquent. He's not handsome. Oh, just being superficial here. He's not eloquent. He's not handsome. He's not a great debater. He doesn't have that of the people John Keithing. He doesn't have that incredible, articulate, erudite David longiness about him. He doesn't have the kindness and aura of Jasinda. He doesn't have the stalchness of Helen Clark. He's just a man in a suit and a short man in a suit. He's I just you know, and that is the cult of personality, isn't it. I just don't think he's particularly makable.

Well, he's well, I mean, to be perfectly blunt. He's got no riots, he's got no charisma, he's got no he's not eloquent. He's not handsome. Oh, just being superficial here. He's not eloquent. He's not handsome. He's not a great debater. He doesn't have that of the people John Keithing. He doesn't have that incredible, articulate, erudite David longiness about him. He doesn't have the kindness and aura of Jasinda. He doesn't have the stalchness of Helen Clark. He's just a man in a suit and a short man in a suit. He's I just you know, and that is the cult of personality, isn't it. I just don't think he's particularly makable.

That when people become prime minister, you often see that there's a change. There's a sort of a gravitest that comes upon people with the office.

That when people become prime minister, you often see that there's a change. There's a sort of a gravitest that comes upon people with the office.

You just made me split out my coffee.

You just made me split out my coffee.

But you haven't seen that in terms of with Christopher Luxon that he hasn't benefited from that. You don't think of him in terms of that sort of the gravitest that comes to time instead not necessarily his fault, but it comes back to at the time when we all.

But you haven't seen that in terms of with Christopher Luxon that he hasn't benefited from that. You don't think of him in terms of that sort of the gravitest that comes to time instead not necessarily his fault, but it comes back to at the time when we all.

Thought, you know, he was wanting to do a John Key, but he didn't have.

Thought, you know, he was wanting to do a John Key, but he didn't have.

I think he tried too hard to it, maybe too early. But it's like it's politics. You don't give up the chants, you know. That's why Judith Collins.

I think he tried too hard to it, maybe too early. But it's like it's politics. You don't give up the chants, you know. That's why Judith Collins.

Didn't give up the chance of the as you party leader, you're going to take them as you get them.

Didn't give up the chance of the as you party leader, you're going to take them as you get them.

But then will he grow into it?

But then will he grow into it?

No, I don't think so it's not going every thing has John that you cannot become a John Key or a David Longi, or a Norman Kirk or even a Robert Muldoon or a Helen Clark. You've got to have it already. And that's why I sped out my coffee because it made me laugh. You know, he put he wasn't going to become anything more when he became Prime minister, because he never showed that he had any of that reason.

No, I don't think so it's not going every thing has John that you cannot become a John Key or a David Longi, or a Norman Kirk or even a Robert Muldoon or a Helen Clark. You've got to have it already. And that's why I sped out my coffee because it made me laugh. You know, he put he wasn't going to become anything more when he became Prime minister, because he never showed that he had any of that reason.

We just wanted a change, didn't We just we just wanted a change, and he we just looked at a successful businessman.

We just wanted a change, didn't We just we just wanted a change, and he we just looked at a successful businessman.

You know, he had all the right matter who was in that. I mean it's government. Governments get voted out, that's right when we get sick of them.

You know, he had all the right matter who was in that. I mean it's government. Governments get voted out, that's right when we get sick of them.

And quite right he even had.

And quite right he even had.

Got had got sick of you know, labor. I mean, as I said they did in talk to hard core supporters of the labor were saying to me, look, we don't deserve to get back.

Got had got sick of you know, labor. I mean, as I said they did in talk to hard core supporters of the labor were saying to me, look, we don't deserve to get back.

And again they.

And again they.

Didn't follow the They weren't labor.

Didn't follow the They weren't labor.

They weren't I remember me and you sitting in the studio talking about this with how many of the people I think it was with Josie Begardi and her mother had gone from labor to Green after that fifty or forty years, you know that just had enough. That's a good segue for us. So how's the opposition gone?

They weren't I remember me and you sitting in the studio talking about this with how many of the people I think it was with Josie Begardi and her mother had gone from labor to Green after that fifty or forty years, you know that just had enough. That's a good segue for us. So how's the opposition gone?

I mean, how other than the scandals? Oh my lord, how's the opposition gone? Well, Neybor, haven't really done that anything? And have they've stayed in that sort of mediocrity that they've been stuck in for the past few years.

I mean, how other than the scandals? Oh my lord, how's the opposition gone? Well, Neybor, haven't really done that anything? And have they've stayed in that sort of mediocrity that they've been stuck in for the past few years.

They're just there and you're.

They're just there and you're.

Always going to get well, it was your fault to begin with, the back back at them from the government.

Always going to get well, it was your fault to begin with, the back back at them from the government.

But have they been a stronger and stronger enough opposition? But what we want is we always want no matter who we vote for, we want there to be an opposition.

But have they been a stronger and stronger enough opposition? But what we want is we always want no matter who we vote for, we want there to be an opposition.

Ask the questions, the test, the waters.

Ask the questions, the test, the waters.

I guess MMP hasn't helped. I mean, I'm not saying I'm anti MMP. I'm not Winston. I'm not saying it has become like the Nazis. But it's we've just there's no real solid opposition. You know, it used to be National Labor and you know Dad would vote National and mun would vote Labor and they'd go, oh, you're canceling my vote. Now it's so like, who are the opposition? And you know, like it's so scattered and it's I imagine it'd be very hard for labor to get back that real labor station.

I guess MMP hasn't helped. I mean, I'm not saying I'm anti MMP. I'm not Winston. I'm not saying it has become like the Nazis. But it's we've just there's no real solid opposition. You know, it used to be National Labor and you know Dad would vote National and mun would vote Labor and they'd go, oh, you're canceling my vote. Now it's so like, who are the opposition? And you know, like it's so scattered and it's I imagine it'd be very hard for labor to get back that real labor station.

Well, when you've had a hiding like that on the poles, you know, you've got to go back and lucky wounds and take quite a bit of time to rebuild, and normally they'll take a couple of turns. I think labor probably mean some of them probably feeling a little bit more confident.

Well, when you've had a hiding like that on the poles, you know, you've got to go back and lucky wounds and take quite a bit of time to rebuild, and normally they'll take a couple of turns. I think labor probably mean some of them probably feeling a little bit more confident.

I think maybe the wheels fall off this government. Who knows.

I think maybe the wheels fall off this government. Who knows.

But their problem still is people had sort of still remember hate.

But their problem still is people had sort of still remember hate.

You know, we're pissed off with you guys. That's why you're gone. So how are they're operating as an opposition?

You know, we're pissed off with you guys. That's why you're gone. So how are they're operating as an opposition?

Sometimes they had a few good hits, but then you see things like when they're fudging the police.

Sometimes they had a few good hits, but then you see things like when they're fudging the police.

Numbers and you come out looking stupid, you know.

Numbers and you come out looking stupid, you know.

Okay, okay, tell me who you're outstanding politician of the year was.

Okay, okay, tell me who you're outstanding politician of the year was.

Who wants to start o' goa Winston Peters?

Who wants to start o' goa Winston Peters?

Oh god, no, I mean outstanding respective of whatever you think of the politics.

Oh god, no, I mean outstanding respective of whatever you think of the politics.

Job, he's done a hell of a job. Now he's now got railed back. He's been deputy primate. Now it's going to be interested. What's going to be interesting, neckcause the dynamic after May, when Seymour takes over, it's gonna be okay.

Job, he's done a hell of a job. Now he's now got railed back. He's been deputy primate. Now it's going to be interested. What's going to be interesting, neckcause the dynamic after May, when Seymour takes over, it's gonna be okay.

So you've gone one. Who you got?

So you've gone one. Who you got?

Oh, well I've gone. I'm not sure he pronounced it properly, Hannah Rafitt Makey Clark for studying the hacker in Parliament, which I thought was bold and beautiful and incredible. Winston though, the Winston of ours the teeth on Kang, isn't he like? He just slides So he's like the Frankston politics. He just he just gets by.

Oh, well I've gone. I'm not sure he pronounced it properly, Hannah Rafitt Makey Clark for studying the hacker in Parliament, which I thought was bold and beautiful and incredible. Winston though, the Winston of ours the teeth on Kang, isn't he like? He just slides So he's like the Frankston politics. He just he just gets by.

And then the master straight from Winston Neck banning the dogs. So look at me, I'm a caring, considerate person who loves animals.

And then the master straight from Winston Neck banning the dogs. So look at me, I'm a caring, considerate person who loves animals.

Either one.

Either one.

Are you gonna ask me who my apologize? Yes? You go on?

Are you gonna ask me who my apologize? Yes? You go on?

Oh you're so shy and coming forward? Come on, well, come on, Eric Stanford.

Oh you're so shy and coming forward? Come on, well, come on, Eric Stanford.

Why.

Why.

It's a whole lot of things.

It's a whole lot of things.

I think what she did for the victims abuse, I mean, I don't think the amount of money was enough, but I think that she moved quickly.

I think what she did for the victims abuse, I mean, I don't think the amount of money was enough, but I think that she moved quickly.

She did it with passion and with care. Point she's trying.

She did it with passion and with care. Point she's trying.

With education and whatever she's doing, she's doing something immigration.

With education and whatever she's doing, she's doing something immigration.

She knows we've got an issue, so she's trying.

She knows we've got an issue, so she's trying.

I think she's smart, young and and gets things done.

I think she's smart, young and and gets things done.

She's a listener is what she is as well. She listens to people and takes advice. I didn't work for the last couple of years for the ed AMI, which is licensed Immigration Advisors. I did webinars and things of them, so I had quite a bit a little bit to do the conferences and stuff, and I know they were really keen that she got the immigration portfolio. This is what always happened someone's in opposition, is the spokespoosts and they have good ideas and then they get.

She's a listener is what she is as well. She listens to people and takes advice. I didn't work for the last couple of years for the ed AMI, which is licensed Immigration Advisors. I did webinars and things of them, so I had quite a bit a little bit to do the conferences and stuff, and I know they were really keen that she got the immigration portfolio. This is what always happened someone's in opposition, is the spokespoosts and they have good ideas and then they get.

Put into a totally different portfolio. But she's considered a really safe pair of hands. And there's to say.

Put into a totally different portfolio. But she's considered a really safe pair of hands. And there's to say.

She has a tendency to talk to people. She wants to hear from people. How can I improve this is unusual from politicians.

She has a tendency to talk to people. She wants to hear from people. How can I improve this is unusual from politicians.

Just say it, Polly.

Just say it, Polly.

You asked if she's had experience in life, and she's got two children.

You asked if she's had experience in life, and she's got two children.

There you go, that's my answer to that helps. It's only helps.

There you go, that's my answer to that helps. It's only helps.

That that that immigration thing though. The immigration what I have heard a lot of people talk about, and I catch uber a lot, and I talk to a lot of the drivers, and I listen to them, and they say a lot of people come here, they get there, they get their residency, and then they.

That that that immigration thing though. The immigration what I have heard a lot of people talk about, and I catch uber a lot, and I talk to a lot of the drivers, and I listen to them, and they say a lot of people come here, they get there, they get their residency, and then they.

Push off to Australia.

Push off to Australia.

Yea they So you know that's got to take a break, Polly. I don't want to cut to offstroke, but you know, as well as you as you as well as I do, I've got to pay the bills. Poly Gillespie, Mark Sainsbury Friday, our final Friday base off having coffee you, Polly, spitting most of us out if you tried Mark? So he tried, Mark says something she doesn't agree with. She spits it all over Ethan's computer.

Yea they So you know that's got to take a break, Polly. I don't want to cut to offstroke, but you know, as well as you as you as well as I do, I've got to pay the bills. Poly Gillespie, Mark Sainsbury Friday, our final Friday base off having coffee you, Polly, spitting most of us out if you tried Mark? So he tried, Mark says something she doesn't agree with. She spits it all over Ethan's computer.

Sorry about that. You know when Mark said Luxon was gonna somehow get rez once he became Prime minister, and it just made me choke laughing.

Sorry about that. You know when Mark said Luxon was gonna somehow get rez once he became Prime minister, and it just made me choke laughing.

Okay, I don't know if that made you choke. I'm telling you my next topic is going to make me choke.

Okay, I don't know if that made you choke. I'm telling you my next topic is going to make me choke.

Are you ready for it?

Are you ready for it?

All right?

All right?

Ok really? Can you put your coffee down for sown?

Ok really? Can you put your coffee down for sown?

Mate?

Mate?

Now the others down?

Now the others down?

Out story for this year is the Counsel and our mayor repeatedly making their headlines Polly, give us.

Out story for this year is the Counsel and our mayor repeatedly making their headlines Polly, give us.

Give us a poly Gillespie Tory founder.

Give us a poly Gillespie Tory founder.

Okay, here we go. I am a woman that likes to champion other women, right, so I don't like to gossip or put other women down.

Okay, here we go. I am a woman that likes to champion other women, right, so I don't like to gossip or put other women down.

It's like a it's a new thing.

It's like a it's a new thing.

No, it's an ongoing thing. And every way, you know, you know, you go to somewhere, like I'll go to out to dinner or to a bar or something or to be people would go, what about the latest story, fun story? And I'm like, I don't know it. I don't want to know it.

No, it's an ongoing thing. And every way, you know, you know, you go to somewhere, like I'll go to out to dinner or to a bar or something or to be people would go, what about the latest story, fun story? And I'm like, I don't know it. I don't want to know it.

I don't.

I don't.

I just it's just bizarre. It's a bizarre behavior. I don't. I don't want to put her down. I don't know, you know, I don't want to be there.

I just it's just bizarre. It's a bizarre behavior. I don't. I don't want to put her down. I don't know, you know, I don't want to be there.

But isn't embarrassing for our cities because we've talked earlier about how great our city was, you know, is it bad for our city?

But isn't embarrassing for our cities because we've talked earlier about how great our city was, you know, is it bad for our city?

But then you think about you know, Mark Blumski, I mean he was he did the same sort of traue.

But then you think about you know, Mark Blumski, I mean he was he did the same sort of traue.

People forget that though, don't they?

People forget that though, don't they?

They had they sort of forgott him. I was just thinking about this yesterday.

They had they sort of forgott him. I was just thinking about this yesterday.

Oh I can't hear your money people like that about Mark Blumskin. I mean, he was the party boy. He'd be out and about.

Oh I can't hear your money people like that about Mark Blumskin. I mean, he was the party boy. He'd be out and about.

He was the first man to live in the middle of the city and you'd see him out and people would go good on the Before social media, he was the cheerleader for Wellington.

He was the first man to live in the middle of the city and you'd see him out and people would go good on the Before social media, he was the cheerleader for Wellington.

It's different now, but it was.

It's different now, but it was.

Before social media success, so you couldn't film him falling downstairs or of it.

Before social media success, so you couldn't film him falling downstairs or of it.

I remember he was stuck in alleyways and I mean all those stories.

I remember he was stuck in alleyways and I mean all those stories.

But there were no we are there.

But there were no we are there.

So is this poll? Is this I mean, I don't want to play this card, but I'm going to play this game. Is it a wahimi woman? Ah?

So is this poll? Is this I mean, I don't want to play this card, but I'm going to play this game. Is it a wahimi woman? Ah?

If she was she was the man, would they be doing it?

If she was she was the man, would they be doing it?

I don't.

I don't.

I yeah, I think I think if she was a man, they would be.

I yeah, I think I think if she was a man, they would be.

I think I think, I think.

I think I think, I think.

Sorry, I don't. I'm not gonna I'm not going to say it's because she's a woman. And I will be the first, as a as a new way feminist to say when I think it's sexist. But I just it's just bizarre behavior. And I think if you're going to be in public office, you have to be very careful either all of your skelps, you know, skeletons need to be out there already, and you need to there need to be no more killings. You know, like you can't misbehave in public office.

Sorry, I don't. I'm not gonna I'm not going to say it's because she's a woman. And I will be the first, as a as a new way feminist to say when I think it's sexist. But I just it's just bizarre behavior. And I think if you're going to be in public office, you have to be very careful either all of your skelps, you know, skeletons need to be out there already, and you need to there need to be no more killings. You know, like you can't misbehave in public office.

Okay, Mark Sainsbury, give us your opinion. What do you think that of the council and Torrifano and what are they doing for our city.

Okay, Mark Sainsbury, give us your opinion. What do you think that of the council and Torrifano and what are they doing for our city.

It's just it's like it's been a hotch potch of just weird decisions, personal agendas.

It's just it's like it's been a hotch potch of just weird decisions, personal agendas.

No unity of purpose, I think one of the key things.

No unity of purpose, I think one of the key things.

And you're largely responsible for this because remember when you had the mayor on and talking about sort of selling a house because she couldn't afford it and all that sort of stuff, and she ended up getting called out on it.

And you're largely responsible for this because remember when you had the mayor on and talking about sort of selling a house because she couldn't afford it and all that sort of stuff, and she ended up getting called out on it.

And it's just that you can't tell mine own goals, look one of the things, and that needs to do bit of sort of training and stuff for people. The first thing you always told people was do not lie, because it's.

And it's just that you can't tell mine own goals, look one of the things, and that needs to do bit of sort of training and stuff for people. The first thing you always told people was do not lie, because it's.

Because people don't get caught, don't.

Because people don't get caught, don't.

Get basically done on what they did. They always get done on trying.

Get basically done on what they did. They always get done on trying.

To cover things up or being somebody that are not.

To cover things up or being somebody that are not.

Exactly exactly it's, you know, like you cannot be a pedophile and then you know, run for pulp plitical office, you know. You The thing I've always said is I could be in politics because everything I've done is in a book or has been on the front of stuff. I thought about it, I have, but I don't think I could compromise on certain things. You know, For instance, if I wanted, you know, my bill to go through Parliament, I couldn't go into somebody else's office and say, yeah, okay, I'll vote for threaking if you vote for my gender equality. I'm just not back to the scene. But I said, you know, all my skeletons around healthy.

Exactly exactly it's, you know, like you cannot be a pedophile and then you know, run for pulp plitical office, you know. You The thing I've always said is I could be in politics because everything I've done is in a book or has been on the front of stuff. I thought about it, I have, but I don't think I could compromise on certain things. You know, For instance, if I wanted, you know, my bill to go through Parliament, I couldn't go into somebody else's office and say, yeah, okay, I'll vote for threaking if you vote for my gender equality. I'm just not back to the scene. But I said, you know, all my skeletons around healthy.

Now.

Now.

We had Torri on the show a couple of days ago and I asked her at the end of the show whether she was going to stand again, and she was adamant that she was going to stand again. Now, Mark, you've done a lot of pr and I've so new body, and I'll come to you. If you were advising her whether she should or should not stand again, what would your advice be.

We had Torri on the show a couple of days ago and I asked her at the end of the show whether she was going to stand again, and she was adamant that she was going to stand again. Now, Mark, you've done a lot of pr and I've so new body, and I'll come to you. If you were advising her whether she should or should not stand again, what would your advice be.

Don't don't really, yeah, because I think there's been Look, I've heard people.

Don't don't really, yeah, because I think there's been Look, I've heard people.

I've had the argument put to me that that if she stands again, because of just working on the Green labor active voting.

I've had the argument put to me that that if she stands again, because of just working on the Green labor active voting.

Block, that she'll get back.

Block, that she'll get back.

And the biggest problem with local body politics is people don't vote it's such an odd disentage.

And the biggest problem with local body politics is people don't vote it's such an odd disentage.

So that's the thing.

So that's the thing.

But oh, you know she's been through so much, is sort of all the stuff is sort of you know, stuff getting thrown around.

But oh, you know she's been through so much, is sort of all the stuff is sort of you know, stuff getting thrown around.

What are you going to stand on?

What are you going to stand on?

You know?

You know?

Is it your record? What is it?

Is it your record? What is it?

And this is nothing personal? Again, I think she's quite a nice person. A joke a few times. But you just wonder whether this is a hiding to nothing because everything is focused on you. You're the face of all the dysfunction, right, you're wrongly, you're blamed for it.

And this is nothing personal? Again, I think she's quite a nice person. A joke a few times. But you just wonder whether this is a hiding to nothing because everything is focused on you. You're the face of all the dysfunction, right, you're wrongly, you're blamed for it.

Polly.

Polly.

Yeah, you once again have done you know.

Yeah, you once again have done you know.

All these courses and lives and you help people and you're a self held person. If she came to you and said, on your couch, you said, Polly, tell me whether I should run for me or again?

All these courses and lives and you help people and you're a self held person. If she came to you and said, on your couch, you said, Polly, tell me whether I should run for me or again?

What would you say?

What would you say?

I'd say, remember that time I reached out to you and offer you help with your alcohol issues and you said, no, I'm fine? Thanks? Are you fine? Have you got an under control? Is your life different than it was when you were screwing up? If the answer is honestly yes, run again. If you haven't addressed your issues, then no, because it's only going to get worse.

I'd say, remember that time I reached out to you and offer you help with your alcohol issues and you said, no, I'm fine? Thanks? Are you fine? Have you got an under control? Is your life different than it was when you were screwing up? If the answer is honestly yes, run again. If you haven't addressed your issues, then no, because it's only going to get worse.

Do you think she's got both.

Do you think she's got both.

This is question to both you because I strongly believe that she has got a good change.

This is question to both you because I strongly believe that she has got a good change.

Do you believe Polly that she's got.

Do you believe Polly that she's got.

A chance of getting in again?

A chance of getting in again?

Only because what marks you? I mean, I didn't vote in the last local election.

Only because what marks you? I mean, I didn't vote in the last local election.

I don't know William vote in the next week?

I don't know William vote in the next week?

I don't know. I'm being honest. Are you talking about not lying? I don't know.

I don't know. I'm being honest. Are you talking about not lying? I don't know.

I'm going to and I've been but slack in the past and that is the problem. We will go, ah stuff, Just what difference does it make? And no one does both?

I'm going to and I've been but slack in the past and that is the problem. We will go, ah stuff, Just what difference does it make? And no one does both?

How will you vote for? See who's on the tickets?

How will you vote for? See who's on the tickets?

Okay, quickly, because I've got to go to an air break.

Okay, quickly, because I've got to go to an air break.

I couldn't want to just talk to you both about the media situation in New Zealand because it's been probably the worst year that any of us can remember, any of us can remember for media people and getting jobs. What's your real quick take on the situation where the media is heading in New Zealand right now?

I couldn't want to just talk to you both about the media situation in New Zealand because it's been probably the worst year that any of us can remember, any of us can remember for media people and getting jobs. What's your real quick take on the situation where the media is heading in New Zealand right now?

Pot the world has changed radio and television as it was no longer exist. We rab our news where we want it. Like I look at people of my children's age, they've read their news on their phone. They don't watch they don't watch TV one, two or three. They don't listen to the radio, they listen to podcasts. And some media has changed and oh boohoo, sorry, but it has. And like so many industries, I mean, there are no blacksmiths around anymore, are there, or cycle careers or you know, industry has changed and media is changing.

Pot the world has changed radio and television as it was no longer exist. We rab our news where we want it. Like I look at people of my children's age, they've read their news on their phone. They don't watch they don't watch TV one, two or three. They don't listen to the radio, they listen to podcasts. And some media has changed and oh boohoo, sorry, but it has. And like so many industries, I mean, there are no blacksmiths around anymore, are there, or cycle careers or you know, industry has changed and media is changing.

It comes back to irrelevance and and Polly's quite right. I mean back in the day, I mean you introduce those legends of I mean, we had it great operating in the media when both radio and TV were their peak. Yeah, there was no social media. You were it, you know, and both we had fabulous careers. And I'm not saying that it's a brag, but I.

It comes back to irrelevance and and Polly's quite right. I mean back in the day, I mean you introduce those legends of I mean, we had it great operating in the media when both radio and TV were their peak. Yeah, there was no social media. You were it, you know, and both we had fabulous careers. And I'm not saying that it's a brag, but I.

Doubt that's why.

Doubt that's why.

Essentially it's sexually lucky. And that's and that is all true.

Essentially it's sexually lucky. And that's and that is all true.

Has And one of the things that and I've said this to you before, Nick, especially in terms of TV, and said what is its purpose?

Has And one of the things that and I've said this to you before, Nick, especially in terms of TV, and said what is its purpose?

Why if Keevan said it's not going to be a national.

Why if Keevan said it's not going to be a national.

Broadcast or support current affairs and all that sort of thing, It's just another streaming service up against huge competition. So I think you know it's going to be curation is still going to be one of the things.

Broadcast or support current affairs and all that sort of thing, It's just another streaming service up against huge competition. So I think you know it's going to be curation is still going to be one of the things.

You know, who could who can you trust?

You know, who could who can you trust?

Friday Fast?

Friday Fast?

Okay, Mark Sainsbury, give me your hots and knots for the year.

Okay, Mark Sainsbury, give me your hots and knots for the year.

I'll tell you what my hot is. And I mentioned this earlier on the band on Raceound Gray was going to say that too bad too, like, oh my god, that's crazy because we've I know it's kidding it look like that.

I'll tell you what my hot is. And I mentioned this earlier on the band on Raceound Gray was going to say that too bad too, like, oh my god, that's crazy because we've I know it's kidding it look like that.

Look you know, actually know I volunteer at the SPCA, and you know there's a lot of amazing people who sort of everyone keys for animals. But this was We've been talking about this, they've been measuring it, they've had studies, and finally someone's had the ball to do something.

Look you know, actually know I volunteer at the SPCA, and you know there's a lot of amazing people who sort of everyone keys for animals. But this was We've been talking about this, they've been measuring it, they've had studies, and finally someone's had the ball to do something.

And I think that's it's something great? Why not so hot? The whole GDP debate.

And I think that's it's something great? Why not so hot? The whole GDP debate.

GDP was invented by a Noble winning economists in nineteen thirty seven, and it's never been spaced. We now measure everything around that. I went and heard a lecture the other day. We should be thinking about I'm looking at growth, We're gonna be looking at good growth. What are things are going to help us help our citizens, help the economy not just the numbers, and I think we need what's not so hot as we just have this totally mixed, confused message of the economy and it's hard to tell what we're doing and where we should be going.

GDP was invented by a Noble winning economists in nineteen thirty seven, and it's never been spaced. We now measure everything around that. I went and heard a lecture the other day. We should be thinking about I'm looking at growth, We're gonna be looking at good growth. What are things are going to help us help our citizens, help the economy not just the numbers, and I think we need what's not so hot as we just have this totally mixed, confused message of the economy and it's hard to tell what we're doing and where we should be going.

There was even confusing that sound.

There was even confusing that sound.

Yeah, I'm glad I started I started.

Yeah, I'm glad I started I started.

Going delazing over. Okay, my hot was going to be a ban on greyhound racing, but I'll take the hikoy. Both of those are the hots for me. Hiko is incredible and the ban on greyhound raising absolutely.

Going delazing over. Okay, my hot was going to be a ban on greyhound racing, but I'll take the hikoy. Both of those are the hots for me. Hiko is incredible and the ban on greyhound raising absolutely.

Not so hot.

Not so hot.

I would have to say that the difficulty that people have with NSD, the Ministry of Social Development, the fact that people have to wait ninety minutes to get through to be told they'll be called back, and being called back seven days later, there is something terribly wrong with how the some government departments are being run. It's not the people that work there, I don't blame them, but there are systems that must be incredibly outdated. But there's something terribly wrong. It's terribly wrong with the whole system.

I would have to say that the difficulty that people have with NSD, the Ministry of Social Development, the fact that people have to wait ninety minutes to get through to be told they'll be called back, and being called back seven days later, there is something terribly wrong with how the some government departments are being run. It's not the people that work there, I don't blame them, but there are systems that must be incredibly outdated. But there's something terribly wrong. It's terribly wrong with the whole system.

And if you think you wait for a long time with MSD, you try sky TV. I've had no sky TV. I've had no Sky TV for nearly two weeks. I have made too sixty minute calls. I have emailed them and I still have a technician came around fixed it and it lasted an hour.

And if you think you wait for a long time with MSD, you try sky TV. I've had no sky TV. I've had no Sky TV for nearly two weeks. I have made too sixty minute calls. I have emailed them and I still have a technician came around fixed it and it lasted an hour.

Time about privilege and Sky, Well.

Time about privilege and Sky, Well.

Sky TV is only one hundred bucks a month, but you're paying them money.

Sky TV is only one hundred bucks a month, but you're paying them money.

That's what I don't get it.

That's what I don't get it.

And you're paying them money two weeks no Sky Sky anymore?

And you're paying them money two weeks no Sky Sky anymore?

When you have got Netflix neon prior.

When you have got Netflix neon prior.

I want to watch I want to watch live.

I want to watch I want to watch live.

Sporty you can just get the Live sport.

Sporty you can just get the Live sport.

If I was a shareholder and Sky right now, I'd be very concerned. I mean, they're obviously hitting the wrong direction. And the call centers in the Philippines.

If I was a shareholder and Sky right now, I'd be very concerned. I mean, they're obviously hitting the wrong direction. And the call centers in the Philippines.

And yeah, we feel for me.

And yeah, we feel for me.

Feel for me to the people that are trying to get bonds for houses that they can't afford, that can't get through to MSD and get anyone.

Feel for me to the people that are trying to get bonds for houses that they can't afford, that can't get through to MSD and get anyone.

To answer record. Yeah, I'm with you too.

To answer record. Yeah, I'm with you too.

I'm with you and the Sky TV.

I'm with you and the Sky TV.

I can watch a guy by the way, I can't get through.

I can watch a guy by the way, I can't get through.

You've got You've both got ten seconds, which I know you don't believe in both.

You've got You've both got ten seconds, which I know you don't believe in both.

Tell me what you're going to do for Christmas.

Tell me what you're going to do for Christmas.

I'm going to go and hang out with my ex Grant and his family. Our family are extended far no noh and have a great time.

I'm going to go and hang out with my ex Grant and his family. Our family are extended far no noh and have a great time.

Family Christmas at home with a bunch of friends from around the Navy and also around it Christmas.

Family Christmas at home with a bunch of friends from around the Navy and also around it Christmas.

So it's going to be fantastic mate.

So it's going to be fantastic mate.

Thank you both so much for taking some time out of your very brusy schedule.

Thank you both so much for taking some time out of your very brusy schedule.

I think so highly of both of you.

I think so highly of both of you.

Both great people and great Wellingtonians have done so much for our city over many, many years.

Both great people and great Wellingtonians have done so much for our city over many, many years.

So thanks for joining us on our final show of the year.

So thanks for joining us on our final show of the year.

Pleasure to be here.

Pleasure to be here.

Thank you and congratulations on Hummingbird reopening.

Thank you and congratulations on Hummingbird reopening.

I'm going to be there, yeah with Beales tonight tonight. I have to come down.

I'm going to be there, yeah with Beales tonight tonight. I have to come down.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thanks thanks for the play. Can I wear my sanders?

Thanks thanks for the play. Can I wear my sanders?

You can wear whatever you want? Oh, you should have sit there, made a mistake. Oh, come with the camera to night.

You can wear whatever you want? Oh, you should have sit there, made a mistake. Oh, come with the camera to night.

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