You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills from News Talk, said B direct from News Talks edb's team at Tolerance the Bee Hive.

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Buzz joining us for the bee Hype Buzz this morning is news Talk, said B Political editor Jason Willis. Jason, firstly, I'm extremely impressed that you've traveled overnight, through the night and still doing the show live. That's pretty impressive.

Buzz joining us for the bee Hype Buzz this morning is news Talk, said B Political editor Jason Willis. Jason, firstly, I'm extremely impressed that you've traveled overnight, through the night and still doing the show live. That's pretty impressive.

Nick.

Nick.

I would walk through fire and glass to be on your show, so it's an absolute privilege. As always, how are you feeling, Fie, Honestly, I slept okay on the plane. It was To be honest, it was a probably the most manic trip I've ever done in my life because it was about a twenty six hour journey there and about a twenty hour journey back, and I was only on the ground for a day and a half, so I spent more time traveling than actually covering anything. But it's fine. I got a good sleep in on the plane and I had a couple of coffees, so I'm ready to go today.

I would walk through fire and glass to be on your show, so it's an absolute privilege. As always, how are you feeling, Fie, Honestly, I slept okay on the plane. It was To be honest, it was a probably the most manic trip I've ever done in my life because it was about a twenty six hour journey there and about a twenty hour journey back, and I was only on the ground for a day and a half, so I spent more time traveling than actually covering anything. But it's fine. I got a good sleep in on the plane and I had a couple of coffees, so I'm ready to go today.

Move you up to the front of the plane. You don't have to add to that.

Move you up to the front of the plane. You don't have to add to that.

I don't want to get I don't want to gep people to think of you any differently, so that outside.

I don't want to get I don't want to gep people to think of you any differently, so that outside.

If you don't want to No, I was.

If you don't want to No, I was.

I was at the back on the way there. My little TV screen wasn't actually working, so I had to kind of sit there for about eleven hours. But it gave me more time to think about writing stories for the listeners of news talks there'd be and the readers of the heralds. So with time well spent.

I was at the back on the way there. My little TV screen wasn't actually working, so I had to kind of sit there for about eleven hours. But it gave me more time to think about writing stories for the listeners of news talks there'd be and the readers of the heralds. So with time well spent.

Okay, tell me what you're made of the apic trip.

Okay, tell me what you're made of the apic trip.

I mean, how did Luckson perform? How did he what was the vibe?

I mean, how did Luckson perform? How did he what was the vibe?

Like?

Like?

You know it was? It was sort of he was in his element a little bit. I mean, there's the difference between Luxon and a few other Prime Minister trips that I've been on, is Luxon kind of comes in and out. He has does these really short shop trips where he really focuses on the big sort of meetings and doesn't kind of fatle around with some of the small stuff. I mean, we did get a little bit of that. He did speak at what was called a CEO summit, which was a I called buzzword Central because it was a bunch of people talking about absolutely nothing.

You know it was? It was sort of he was in his element a little bit. I mean, there's the difference between Luxon and a few other Prime Minister trips that I've been on, is Luxon kind of comes in and out. He has does these really short shop trips where he really focuses on the big sort of meetings and doesn't kind of fatle around with some of the small stuff. I mean, we did get a little bit of that. He did speak at what was called a CEO summit, which was a I called buzzword Central because it was a bunch of people talking about absolutely nothing.

At all.

At all.

It was just things that really didn't and just throwing some buzzwords around to make it sound like something interesting, but it really wasn't. But apart from that, I mean, Luston met with all twenty one leaders of APEC countries. He told me that he met with everybody apart from a representative from Russia, which is probably a good call in this climate. But he really got He came and he saw any conquered Apeck essentially in terms of the meetings that he held.

It was just things that really didn't and just throwing some buzzwords around to make it sound like something interesting, but it really wasn't. But apart from that, I mean, Luston met with all twenty one leaders of APEC countries. He told me that he met with everybody apart from a representative from Russia, which is probably a good call in this climate. But he really got He came and he saw any conquered Apeck essentially in terms of the meetings that he held.

You got to see Biden. What do you look like?

You got to see Biden. What do you look like?

To be honest, I actually didn't get to see him in the flesh this time. He was just kind of one of my colleagues actually saw him just kind of walking along at one stage. But you don't really get to see them. I mean, he was at the gal at dinner with the Prime Minister, but as I understand that, he didn't even stay for the dinner. So he's not really the focus of this. I mean, if he was, you know, if it was midway through yeah, it was midway through his term, it would be a little bit more exciting. But he's a bit of a lame duck at the stage. If it was Trump there would be a completely different vibe to the whole summit, But this time it was all about Shuji Pen.

To be honest, I actually didn't get to see him in the flesh this time. He was just kind of one of my colleagues actually saw him just kind of walking along at one stage. But you don't really get to see them. I mean, he was at the gal at dinner with the Prime Minister, but as I understand that, he didn't even stay for the dinner. So he's not really the focus of this. I mean, if he was, you know, if it was midway through yeah, it was midway through his term, it would be a little bit more exciting. But he's a bit of a lame duck at the stage. If it was Trump there would be a completely different vibe to the whole summit, But this time it was all about Shuji Pen.

There's a new way describing a lame duck. But I get it, I get your thoughts. Anything else you want to add from, I pick anything you gathered out of it, anything you think we did we got out of it well, I think that.

There's a new way describing a lame duck. But I get it, I get your thoughts. Anything else you want to add from, I pick anything you gathered out of it, anything you think we did we got out of it well, I think that.

I mean, I think sometimes we as media do have a little bit of an not obsession, but a tendency to focus on what it called announceables is something that was coined by someone in the ninth floor, which is the worst word I've ever heard, but essentially something that you can come back and announced to say that we did. There was something that they did around some sort of free trade agreement with Iceland or one of those countries really small beans. I mean, it's probably important for the people that it impacts, but it was good that New Zealand was there because we need to be at these events like APAX. New Zealand on the world stage is pretty much seen as friendly but not very relative. So any chance that the Prime Minister has to get himself in front of the like Shuji Ping or any of the other APEC leaders is critically important, especially with China, and that's exactly what Luxon did when he met with Shujiping over the weekend.

I mean, I think sometimes we as media do have a little bit of an not obsession, but a tendency to focus on what it called announceables is something that was coined by someone in the ninth floor, which is the worst word I've ever heard, but essentially something that you can come back and announced to say that we did. There was something that they did around some sort of free trade agreement with Iceland or one of those countries really small beans. I mean, it's probably important for the people that it impacts, but it was good that New Zealand was there because we need to be at these events like APAX. New Zealand on the world stage is pretty much seen as friendly but not very relative. So any chance that the Prime Minister has to get himself in front of the like Shuji Ping or any of the other APEC leaders is critically important, especially with China, and that's exactly what Luxon did when he met with Shujiping over the weekend.

Okay, even though it was half a world away that taparty Mary's Hakker was still a buzzert ipick. Tell us who was talking about it, what your thoughts were? God, damn, it was amazing.

Okay, even though it was half a world away that taparty Mary's Hakker was still a buzzert ipick. Tell us who was talking about it, what your thoughts were? God, damn, it was amazing.

Well, I mean, it is really circle navigated the globe at this point. I mean, at one point during the aforementioned ce OR summit, somebody was watching it on their phone and showing it to somebody else. Then, just before Jack Tayne went on air to do a live cross, somebody came up to him and started talking to him about the video. So I decided to do a little bit of on the ground research and in the media center, I just started asking a few of the reporters there if they've seen the video. Some said no, but I spoke to a few that said yes, I've seen this one. And there was a Colombian journalist that said it was a quote beautiful sentiment. So I mean that's just a bit of an example. I mean, but if you look at how viral this video has gone, it's hundreds and hundreds of millions of views at this stage, so it's something that's being talked about around the world. I got a text from somebody in Japan this morning who said that they somebody had brought it up with them as well, So it really is a huge focus around the world right now. In terms of of what happened in the house, I mean, it goes one or two ways, you know. I think overseas a lot of people see it as a beautiful sentiment and a really good expression of indigenous culture. But back home, I mean, of course there is a lot of that with people that agree with Tipati Marti when it comes to the Treaty's Principles Bill. But there will be some people that look at what happened in the House and say, well, hang on a second, this isn't the behavior that we expect from parliamentarians. I mean, especially when they came right up in the face of David Seymour and he said that they acted in a threatening manner. And you'll remember when Julian Jena crossed the house and got all up in Matt Doucey's face. She was sent to the Privileges Committee. So I wouldn't be surprised to see that this story had another twist insofar as the act party complaining to the speaker about this one.

Well, I mean, it is really circle navigated the globe at this point. I mean, at one point during the aforementioned ce OR summit, somebody was watching it on their phone and showing it to somebody else. Then, just before Jack Tayne went on air to do a live cross, somebody came up to him and started talking to him about the video. So I decided to do a little bit of on the ground research and in the media center, I just started asking a few of the reporters there if they've seen the video. Some said no, but I spoke to a few that said yes, I've seen this one. And there was a Colombian journalist that said it was a quote beautiful sentiment. So I mean that's just a bit of an example. I mean, but if you look at how viral this video has gone, it's hundreds and hundreds of millions of views at this stage, so it's something that's being talked about around the world. I got a text from somebody in Japan this morning who said that they somebody had brought it up with them as well, So it really is a huge focus around the world right now. In terms of of what happened in the house, I mean, it goes one or two ways, you know. I think overseas a lot of people see it as a beautiful sentiment and a really good expression of indigenous culture. But back home, I mean, of course there is a lot of that with people that agree with Tipati Marti when it comes to the Treaty's Principles Bill. But there will be some people that look at what happened in the House and say, well, hang on a second, this isn't the behavior that we expect from parliamentarians. I mean, especially when they came right up in the face of David Seymour and he said that they acted in a threatening manner. And you'll remember when Julian Jena crossed the house and got all up in Matt Doucey's face. She was sent to the Privileges Committee. So I wouldn't be surprised to see that this story had another twist insofar as the act party complaining to the speaker about this one.

Okay, now that hecoys imbodied her. And I think there's some groups that have patni as well and are going to make their way into Parliament grounds tomorrow.

Okay, now that hecoys imbodied her. And I think there's some groups that have patni as well and are going to make their way into Parliament grounds tomorrow.

What's the word? What are you expecting? What's everyone saying?

What's the word? What are you expecting? What's everyone saying?

Well? I mean Wellington is going to be a different place tomorrow. Either they'll be streets that is shut. Parliament is going to be a completely different beast. I mean that it's not going to be doing tours. For example. We will be allowed to be on the Parliament at fore Court, which is the concrete bit right outside as the protest gets there. And it's going to be huge, I mean estimates put it. Some people say that it's going to be in the tens of thousands of people, which is an enormous crowd, some putting it even higher than that. And I would expect it to be, if anything, around about the size of the Foreshore and seabed protests in the two thousands. And I think that that's sort of the scale that we can expect when it gets here. And I think that you know it's going to be the focus of the news day, and Chris Suckston is just going to be forced to say what he said before. But he has incrementally, every time he's been asked about it, gotten a little bit more forthright in his opposition to the bill. So I'll be interested to see if he pushes the boat out a little bit more tomorrow.

Well? I mean Wellington is going to be a different place tomorrow. Either they'll be streets that is shut. Parliament is going to be a completely different beast. I mean that it's not going to be doing tours. For example. We will be allowed to be on the Parliament at fore Court, which is the concrete bit right outside as the protest gets there. And it's going to be huge, I mean estimates put it. Some people say that it's going to be in the tens of thousands of people, which is an enormous crowd, some putting it even higher than that. And I would expect it to be, if anything, around about the size of the Foreshore and seabed protests in the two thousands. And I think that that's sort of the scale that we can expect when it gets here. And I think that you know it's going to be the focus of the news day, and Chris Suckston is just going to be forced to say what he said before. But he has incrementally, every time he's been asked about it, gotten a little bit more forthright in his opposition to the bill. So I'll be interested to see if he pushes the boat out a little bit more tomorrow.

What do you think of the so called pundits are saying that could be up to thirty thound?

What do you think of the so called pundits are saying that could be up to thirty thound?

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, when I was talking to you about the estimates before, that's kind of what I was referencing. I didn't see up to thirty thousands because I don't know how where you get these numbers from. I mean, you can, the organizers can can estimate, but it's even your best interest to see what lots of people you know, So I don't know it could it could get up to thirty thousand people. I guess we'll have to ask the police the ones that get the best crowd estimation size, but it will likely I'm definitely thousands. I would say that it's probably likely to get around ten thousands. I think thirty thousand is I think.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, when I was talking to you about the estimates before, that's kind of what I was referencing. I didn't see up to thirty thousands because I don't know how where you get these numbers from. I mean, you can, the organizers can can estimate, but it's even your best interest to see what lots of people you know, So I don't know it could it could get up to thirty thousand people. I guess we'll have to ask the police the ones that get the best crowd estimation size, but it will likely I'm definitely thousands. I would say that it's probably likely to get around ten thousands. I think thirty thousand is I think.

I mean, I think you're like I think you're like based on somebody that's involved in young people in hospitality industry. I don't think I've ever seen as many requests for time off to go on the he coy. And I'm talking about foreigners. I'm talking about you know, white Kiwis, I'm talking about you know, every single different race of people that want to go and be part of it. So I think that you I think if you if you're saying ten thousand, I person, you think you're downplaying it because I in my living memory can't remember anything like it. But we'll find out tomorrow, won't we jas Always a pleasure, thank you. What are your final thoughts?

I mean, I think you're like I think you're like based on somebody that's involved in young people in hospitality industry. I don't think I've ever seen as many requests for time off to go on the he coy. And I'm talking about foreigners. I'm talking about you know, white Kiwis, I'm talking about you know, every single different race of people that want to go and be part of it. So I think that you I think if you if you're saying ten thousand, I person, you think you're downplaying it because I in my living memory can't remember anything like it. But we'll find out tomorrow, won't we jas Always a pleasure, thank you. What are your final thoughts?

Your final thoughts on that?

Your final thoughts on that?

I'd just be interested to see what the number gets you. I mean, you could well be right. It sounds like you've got a better estimation than me. And I'd probably have to go back and look at this foresure and seaboy that HIKOI that came to Parliament in the two thousands, and that'll probably be a good gauge, So you may well be right.

I'd just be interested to see what the number gets you. I mean, you could well be right. It sounds like you've got a better estimation than me. And I'd probably have to go back and look at this foresure and seaboy that HIKOI that came to Parliament in the two thousands, and that'll probably be a good gauge, So you may well be right.

Yeah, well we'll find out. The good thing is, Jace is it's been very peaceful. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much for taking your time. I know you must be absolutely dead beat, but thank you, appreciate you as always. Jason Walls is the New Stalks. There'd be Political editor, and he may exactly be right to It might only be ten thousand, but I personally are estimating a hell of a lot bigger than that.

Yeah, well we'll find out. The good thing is, Jace is it's been very peaceful. Always a pleasure. Thank you very much for taking your time. I know you must be absolutely dead beat, but thank you, appreciate you as always. Jason Walls is the New Stalks. There'd be Political editor, and he may exactly be right to It might only be ten thousand, but I personally are estimating a hell of a lot bigger than that.

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