Molly interviews Christopher Mathias about his new book, To Catch a Fascist: The Fight to Expose the Radical Right. It's a rollicking tale of infiltrating nazi groups and exposing their private communications to dox them en masse. 

Preorder Chris' book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767 

The article Chris mentioned about Spit & Dan: https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/death-in-the-desert-2263332/

Molly interviews Christopher Mathias about his new book, To Catch a Fascist: The Fight to Expose the Radical Right. It's a rollicking tale of infiltrating nazi groups and exposing their private communications to dox them en masse.&nbsp;
Preorder Chris' book:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="d404bd8f-e8a9-4b4d-988e-a823bc57d071">https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767</a>&nbsp;
The article Chris mentioned about Spit &amp; Dan:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/death-in-the-desert-2263332/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="08e21234-12ca-4f83-b79a-9d8509414608">https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/death-in-the-desert-2263332/</a>

Weird Little Guys is a weekly show about the worst people you’ve never heard of, taking you beyond the headlines to get to know the race warriors and aspiring terrorists trying to unravel the fabric of our society. Weaving together the origin stories of modern American white supremacist groups and the crimes that land their members in court, independent journalist Molly Conger exposes the monsters for what they really are - some weird guy. Whether they’re conspiring to build bombs or serving swastika shaped cookies at a dinner party, the weird little guys trying to destroy America are a little less scary with their masks off. 

Weird Little Guys is a weekly show about the worst people you’ve never heard of, taking you beyond the headlines to get to know the race warriors and aspiring terrorists trying to unravel the fabric of our society. Weaving together the origin stories of modern American white supremacist groups and the crimes that land their members in court, independent journalist Molly Conger exposes the monsters for what they really are - some weird guy. Whether they’re conspiring to build bombs or serving swastika shaped cookies at a dinner party, the weird little guys trying to destroy America are a little less scary with their masks off.

Investigative journalist Molly Conger takes you beyond the headlines to examine some of the worst people on the planet, most of whom you’ve never heard of. These are the weird little guys trying to ruin life as we know it.

Weird Little Guys

To Catch A Fascist: An Interview with Christopher Mathias

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/58364c5d-6b6b-460d-be21-b3e0018a8e53/transcript

Molly talks to Adam Becker about his book, More Everything Forever

Molly talks to Adam Becker about his book, More Everything Forever

The Weird Little Guys of AI with Adam Becker

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/6f79f177-7beb-4e35-9716-b4f1013f398e/transcript

A final look at the Pioneer Fund's attempt to use racist pseudoscience to overturn the Brown v Board of Education Supreme Court decision.

Sources & Further Reading:

Tucker, William (2002). The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and The Pioneer Fund. University of Illinois Press.

Jackson, John P. Jr (2005). Science for Segregation: Race, Law, and the Case Against Brown v. Board of Education. New York University Press.

Sussman, Robert Wald (2014). The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea. Harvard University Press.

Newby, IA (1967). Challenge to the Court: Social Scientists and the Defense of Segregation 1955-1966. Louisiana State University Press.

Gabriel, Ricardo, "Somos Boricuas y Estamos Despertando: Decolonial Education, Collective Identity, and the Struggle for Puerto Rican Studies" (2023). CUNY Academic Works.
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/gc_etds/5583 

Kenneth B. Clark, The Desegregation Cases: Criticism of the Social Scientist' s Role, 5 Vill. L. Rev. 224 (1959).
Available at: https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/vlr/vol5/iss2/5 

Ernest van den Haag, Social Science Testimony in the Desegregation Cases - A Reply to Professor Kenneth Clark, 6 Vill. L. Rev. 69 (1960).
Available at: https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/vlr/vol6/iss1/3

https://www.naacpldf.org/brown-vs-board/significance-doll-test/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/dont-blame-us-church-shootings-council-conservative-citizens-says-n380126

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1968/02/03/south-africa-the-south-west

https://x.com/socialistdogmom/status/1439283771237339139

https://time.com/archive/6873118/education-a-negro-in-ole-miss/

https://time.com/archive/6873165/the-south-the-intruder/

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/editors-note-the-lies-scientific-racists-told-about-jacksons-children/

https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2017/nov/15/how-integration-failed-jacksons-public-schools-196/

https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/revisiting-brown-v-board-education-70-years-later

https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal83-857-26237-1197399#_

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/07/us/desegregation-plans-in-peril.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1963/09/10/archives/wallace-orders-guard-units-out-for-school-duty-they-replace-state.html

Transcripts:
https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/d965a6d8-9452-495b-84ad-0d5be465964a/stell-v-savannah-chatham-county-board-of-education-transcript-of-proceedings

https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/209f0fe1-c065-4a37-b229-fc7b233ce2f3/evers-v-jackson-separate-municipal-school-district-transcript

https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/df5c8b3d-e3fa-465d-a071-7c18dcbd1ce7/evers-v-jackson-separate-municipal-school-district-transcript-1

https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/3c162003-4708-41e2-83da-437c93f0394a/evers-v-jackson-separate-municipal-school-district-transcript-2

Other Court Documents:

https://www.icj-cij.org/case/47

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1748927/evers-v-jackson-municipal-separate-school-district/

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/347/483/#F11

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/220/667/1815159/

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/255/88/1818366/

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/724/1384/1468033/

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/387/486/262018/

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/333/55/14062/

A final look at the Pioneer Fund's attempt to use racist pseudoscience to overturn the Brown v Board of Education Supreme Court decision. Sources &amp; Further Reading: Tucker, William (2002). The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and The Pioneer Fund. University of Illinois Press. Jackson, John P. Jr (2005). Science for Segregation: Race, Law, and the Case Against Brown v. Board of Education. New York University Press. Sussman, Robert Wald (2014). The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea. Harvard University Press. Newby, IA (1967). Challenge to the Court: Social Scientists and the Defense of Segregation 1955-1966. Louisiana State University Press. Gabriel, Ricardo, "Somos Boricuas y Estamos Despertando: Decolonial Education, Collective Identity, and the Struggle for Puerto Rican Studies" (2023). CUNY Academic Works. https://academicworks.cuny.edu/gc_etds/5583 Kenneth B. Clark, The Desegregation Cases: Criticism of the Social Scientist' s Role, 5 Vill. L. Rev. 224 (1959). Available at: https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/vlr/vol5/iss2/5 Ernest van den Haag, Social Science Testimony in the Desegregation Cases - A Reply to Professor Kenneth Clark, 6 Vill. L. Rev. 69 (1960). Available at: https://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/vlr/vol6/iss1/3 https://www.naacpldf.org/brown-vs-board/significance-doll-test/ https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/dont-blame-us-church-shootings-council-conservative-citizens-says-n380126 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1968/02/03/south-africa-the-south-west https://x.com/socialistdogmom/status/1439283771237339139 https://time.com/archive/6873118/education-a-negro-in-ole-miss/ https://time.com/archive/6873165/the-south-the-intruder/ https://www.mississippifreepress.org/editors-note-the-lies-scientific-racists-told-about-jacksons-children/ https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2017/nov/15/how-integration-failed-jacksons-public-schools-196/ https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/revisiting-brown-v-board-education-70-years-later https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal83-857-26237-1197399#_ https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/07/us/desegregation-plans-in-peril.html https://www.nytimes.com/1963/09/10/archives/wallace-orders-guard-units-out-for-school-duty-they-replace-state.html Transcripts: https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/d965a6d8-9452-495b-84ad-0d5be465964a/stell-v-savannah-chatham-county-board-of-education-transcript-of-proceedings https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/209f0fe1-c065-4a37-b229-fc7b233ce2f3/evers-v-jackson-separate-municipal-school-district-transcript https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/df5c8b3d-e3fa-465d-a071-7c18dcbd1ce7/evers-v-jackson-separate-municipal-school-district-transcript-1 https://ldfrecollection.org/archives/archives-search/archives-item/3c162003-4708-41e2-83da-437c93f0394a/evers-v-jackson-separate-municipal-school-district-transcript-2 Other Court Documents: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/47 https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1748927/evers-v-jackson-municipal-separate-school-district/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/347/483/#F11 https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/220/667/1815159/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/255/88/1818366/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/724/1384/1468033/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/387/486/262018/ https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/333/55/14062/

Brown v Board of Education v The Pioneer Fund, Pt 3

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We're revisiting two classic Weird Little Guys episodes from last year about a white nationalist political party's attempt to get their candidate on the ballot.

Third Position

Original air date: 8/21/25

In 2012, a newly formed white nationalist political party tried to get their candidate on the ballot. The American Third Position Party wanted Americans to vote for Merlin Miller, but how did the party end up picking him? 

Sources:

https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2012.pdf#page=11

https://irehr.org/2018/06/14/what-is-the-american-freedom-party/

https://www.ocregister.com/2009/09/04/two-time-felon-runs-pro-white-political-group/

https://rosecityantifa.org/articles/meet-the-oregon-chapter-of-the-american-freedom-party-part-one/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/will-la-elect-a-ron-paul_b_104053

https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/08/two-american-freedom-party-leaders-speak-out-about-their-party/

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284

https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/middle-east/six-day-war-liberty.html

A Secret Third Thing

Original air date: 8/28/25

After the 2012 election, the American Third Position Party rebranded. Not because their candidate lost, they expected that. But probably because their candidate didn't know what the party's name meant.

Sources:

https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2012.pdf

https://politicalresearch.org/2016/12/19/what-third-position

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/neofascism-european-style/

https://www.alternet.org/2008/07/surviving_a_weekend_with_americas_premiere_pro-white_activist_group#

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2016/10/18/former-mpd-chief-drue-lackey-dead-90/92349168/

Winkler, Martin M. Arminius the Liberator: Myth and Ideology. Oxford University Press, 2016. 

We're revisiting two classic Weird Little Guys episodes from last year about a white nationalist political party's attempt to get their candidate on the ballot.
Third Position
Original air date: 8/21/25
In 2012, a newly formed white nationalist political party tried to get their candidate on the ballot. The American Third Position Party wanted Americans to vote for Merlin Miller, but how did the party end up picking him?&nbsp;
Sources:
https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2012.pdf#page=11
https://irehr.org/2018/06/14/what-is-the-american-freedom-party/
https://www.ocregister.com/2009/09/04/two-time-felon-runs-pro-white-political-group/
https://rosecityantifa.org/articles/meet-the-oregon-chapter-of-the-american-freedom-party-part-one/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/will-la-elect-a-ron-paul_b_104053
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/08/two-american-freedom-party-leaders-speak-out-about-their-party/
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284
https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/middle-east/six-day-war-liberty.html
A Secret Third Thing
Original air date: 8/28/25
After the 2012 election, the American Third Position Party rebranded. Not because their candidate lost, they expected that. But probably because their candidate didn't know what the party's name meant.
Sources:
https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2012.pdf
https://politicalresearch.org/2016/12/19/what-third-position
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/neofascism-european-style/
https://www.alternet.org/2008/07/surviving_a_weekend_with_americas_premiere_pro-white_activist_group#
https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2016/10/18/former-mpd-chief-drue-lackey-dead-90/92349168/
Winkler, Martin M. Arminius the Liberator: Myth and Ideology. Oxford University Press, 2016.&nbsp;

CZM Rewind: Third Position & A Secret Third Thing

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To Catch A Fascist: An Interview with Christopher Mathias

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