Molly interviews Christopher Mathias about his new book, To Catch a Fascist: The Fight to Expose the Radical Right. It's a rollicking tale of infiltrating nazi groups and exposing their private communications to dox them en masse. 

Preorder Chris' book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767 

The article Chris mentioned about Spit & Dan: https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/death-in-the-desert-2263332/

Molly interviews Christopher Mathias about his new book, To Catch a Fascist: The Fight to Expose the Radical Right. It's a rollicking tale of infiltrating nazi groups and exposing their private communications to dox them en masse.&nbsp;
Preorder Chris' book:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="d404bd8f-e8a9-4b4d-988e-a823bc57d071">https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/To-Catch-a-Fascist/Christopher-Mathias/9781668034767</a>&nbsp;
The article Chris mentioned about Spit &amp; Dan:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/death-in-the-desert-2263332/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="08e21234-12ca-4f83-b79a-9d8509414608">https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/death-in-the-desert-2263332/</a>

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Weird Little Guys is a weekly show about the worst people you’ve never heard of, taking you beyond the headlines to get to know the race warriors and aspiring terrorists trying to unravel the fabric of our society. Weaving together the origin stories of modern American white supremacist groups and the crimes that land their members in court, independent journalist Molly Conger exposes the monsters for what they really are - some weird guy. Whether they’re conspiring to build bombs or serving swastika shaped cookies at a dinner party, the weird little guys trying to destroy America are a little less scary with their masks off.

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To Catch A Fascist: An Interview with Christopher Mathias

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Part One: Frank Abbott Sweeney Jr may be the Forrest Gump of American white supremacy in the 20th century. Starting with a failed bank robbery for the American Nazi Party in the 60s, Frank stumbled his way into being an inconsequential side character in major historical events for decades.

Original Air Date: 8.28.24

Part Two: In part two of the life of the Forrest Gump of fascism, Frank Sweeney leads the CIA on an international goose chase, befriends and then betrays a serial killer, and just can't stop committing crimes by mail.

Original Air Date: 9.5.24

Part One:&nbsp;Frank Abbott Sweeney Jr may be the Forrest Gump of American white supremacy in the 20th century. Starting with a failed bank robbery for the American Nazi Party in the 60s, Frank stumbled his way into being an inconsequential side character in major historical events for decades.
Original Air Date: 8.28.24
Part Two:&nbsp;In part two of the life of the Forrest Gump of fascism, Frank Sweeney leads the CIA on an international goose chase, befriends and then betrays a serial killer, and just can't stop committing crimes by mail.
Original Air Date: 9.5.24

CZM Rewind: Soldier of Misfortune: Frank Sweeney

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Years before he set off on his three year killing spree, Joseph Paul Franklin left his home in Alabama to attend a nazi conference in Virginia. 

Sources:

Mel Ayton, Dark Soul of the South: The Life and Crimes of Racist Killer Joseph Paul Franklin, Potomac Press, Inc., 2011

Belew, Kathleen. Bring the War Home : The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America. Harvard University Press, 2018.

Sunshine, Spencer (2024). Neo-Nazi Terrorism and Countercultural Fascism: The Origins and Afterlife of James Mason’s Siege (1st ed.). New York, NY: Routledge

Kaplan, Jeffrey. (2022). No Longer Alone: Lone Wolves, Wolf Packs, and Made for Web TV Specials. In: Perry, B., Gruenewald, J., Scrivens, R. (eds) Right-Wing Extremism in Canada and the United States . Palgrave Hate Studies. Palgrave Macmillan, Cham.

Saslow, Eli. Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist. Anchor, 2018.

Malthaner, Stefan, et al. “Scattered Attacks: The Collective Dynamics of Lone-Actor Terrorism.” Perspectives on Politics, vol. 22, no. 2, Dec. 2023, pp. 463–80. https://doi.org/10.1017/s1537592723002852.

Bart Schuurman, Lasse Lindekilde, Stefan Malthaner, Francis O'Connor, Paul Gill & Noémie Bouhana (2017): End of the Lone Wolf: The Typology that Should Not Have Been, Studies in Conflict & Terrorism, DOI: 10.1080/1057610X.2017.1419554

Pantucci, Rafaello. A Typology of Lone Wolves: Preliminary Analysis of Lone Islamist Terrorists. (London: International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence (ICSR), 2011): 14-31.

Gardell, Mattias. “Lone Wolf Race Warriors and White Genocide.” Cambridge University Press, 2021.

https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCITF-Final-Paper.pdf

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/movement-and-madman/#part01

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1969/11/20/november-mobilization/

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nixons-secret-plan-for-ending-the-vietnam-war-nuclear-annihilation-of-vietnam/

Years before he set off on his three year killing spree, Joseph Paul Franklin left his home in Alabama to attend a nazi conference in Virginia.&nbsp;
Sources:
Mel Ayton, Dark Soul of the South: The Life and Crimes of Racist Killer Joseph Paul Franklin, Potomac Press, Inc., 2011
Belew, Kathleen. Bring the War Home : The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America. Harvard University Press, 2018.
Sunshine, Spencer (2024). Neo-Nazi Terrorism and Countercultural Fascism: The Origins and Afterlife of James Mason&rsquo;s Siege (1st ed.). New York, NY: Routledge
Kaplan, Jeffrey. (2022). No Longer Alone: Lone Wolves, Wolf Packs, and Made for Web TV Specials. In: Perry, B., Gruenewald, J., Scrivens, R. (eds) Right-Wing Extremism in Canada and the United States . Palgrave Hate Studies. Palgrave Macmillan, Cham.
Saslow, Eli. Rising Out of Hatred: The Awakening of a Former White Nationalist. Anchor, 2018.
Malthaner, Stefan, et al. &ldquo;Scattered Attacks: The Collective Dynamics of Lone-Actor Terrorism.&rdquo; Perspectives on Politics, vol. 22, no. 2, Dec. 2023, pp. 463&ndash;80. https://doi.org/10.1017/s1537592723002852.
Bart Schuurman, Lasse Lindekilde, Stefan Malthaner, Francis O'Connor, Paul Gill &amp; No&eacute;mie Bouhana (2017): End of the Lone Wolf: The Typology that Should Not Have Been, Studies in Conflict &amp; Terrorism, DOI: 10.1080/1057610X.2017.1419554
Pantucci, Rafaello. A Typology of Lone Wolves: Preliminary Analysis of Lone Islamist Terrorists. (London: International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence (ICSR), 2011): 14-31.
Gardell, Mattias. &ldquo;Lone Wolf Race Warriors and White Genocide.&rdquo; Cambridge University Press, 2021.
<a href="https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCITF-Final-Paper.pdf">https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NCITF-Final-Paper.pdf</a>
<a href="https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/movement-and-madman/#part01">https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/movement-and-madman/#part01</a>
<a href="https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1969/11/20/november-mobilization/">https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1969/11/20/november-mobilization/</a>
<a href="https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nixons-secret-plan-for-ending-the-vietnam-war-nuclear-annihilation-of-vietnam/">https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nixons-secret-plan-for-ending-the-vietnam-war-nuclear-annihilation-of-vietnam/</a>

One Man Race War: Joseph Paul Franklin, Pt. 1

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In 1965, a car full of klansmen shot and killed Viola Liuzzo, a white woman from Detroit who volunteered to drive civil rights activists back to Selma after the march to Montgomery. The FBI immediately kicked into overdrive to drag her name through the mud.

Sources:

Stanton, Mary. From Selma to Sorrow: The Life and Death of Viola Liuzzo. Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1998

Mendelsohn, Jack. The martyrs : sixteen who gave their lives for racial justice. Harper & Row 1966

https://www.justice.gov/crt/case-document/micheal-schwerner-james-chaney-andrew-goodman

https://famous-trials.com/mississippi-burningtrial/1978-barnetteconfession

https://mississippiencyclopedia.org/entries/schwerner-michael/

http://repository.wustl.edu/concern/videos/7p88cm77s

https://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-long-not-long-speech-text/

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the-sunday-edition-september-10-2017-1.4280530/daughter-of-civil-rights-worker-murdered-in-selma-on-racism-white-supremacy-and-her-mother-s-legacy-1.4280754

https://archive.org/details/martyrssixteenwh00mend/page/176/mode/2up

In 1965, a car full of klansmen shot and killed Viola Liuzzo, a white woman from Detroit who volunteered to drive civil rights activists back to Selma after the march to Montgomery. The FBI immediately kicked into overdrive to drag her name through the mud. Sources: Stanton, Mary. From Selma to Sorrow: The Life and Death of Viola Liuzzo. Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1998 Mendelsohn, Jack. The martyrs : sixteen who gave their lives for racial justice. Harper &amp; Row 1966 <a href="https://www.justice.gov/crt/case-document/micheal-schwerner-james-chaney-andrew-goodman">https://www.justice.gov/crt/case-document/micheal-schwerner-james-chaney-andrew-goodman</a>
<a href="https://famous-trials.com/mississippi-burningtrial/1978-barnetteconfession">https://famous-trials.com/mississippi-burningtrial/1978-barnetteconfession</a>
<a href="https://mississippiencyclopedia.org/entries/schwerner-michael/">https://mississippiencyclopedia.org/entries/schwerner-michael/</a>
<a href="http://repository.wustl.edu/concern/videos/7p88cm77s">http://repository.wustl.edu/concern/videos/7p88cm77s</a>
<a href="https://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-long-not-long-speech-text/">https://voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-long-not-long-speech-text/</a>
<a href="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the-sunday-edition-september-10-2017-1.4280530/daughter-of-civil-rights-worker-murdered-in-selma-on-racism-white-supremacy-and-her-mother-s-legacy-1.4280754">https://www.cbc.ca/radio/sunday/the-sunday-edition-september-10-2017-1.4280530/daughter-of-civil-rights-worker-murdered-in-selma-on-racism-white-supremacy-and-her-mother-s-legacy-1.4280754</a>
<a href="https://archive.org/details/martyrssixteenwh00mend/page/176/mode/2up">https://archive.org/details/martyrssixteenwh00mend/page/176/mode/2up</a>

Cops & Klan

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To Catch A Fascist: An Interview with Christopher Mathias

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