It's way up at Angela Yee. I'm Angela Yee. And Jasmine from the Jasmin brand dot Com is here, yes, and Daniel Caesar is here. This is your first time ever sitting with us.

It's way up at Angela Yee. I'm Angela Yee. And Jasmine from the Jasmin brand dot Com is here, yes, and Daniel Caesar is here. This is your first time ever sitting with us.

Yeah, in this buildings, so the first time meeting.

Yeah, in this buildings, so the first time meeting.

Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming and congratulations on a new album.

Yeah, well, thank you so much for coming and congratulations on a new album.

Thank you never enough. So I had a question. You live in New York?

Thank you never enough. So I had a question. You live in New York?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Why So?

Why So?

I want to ask you this because a lot of people do not, like I find in the music business. You know, New York is not the place that people really have been wanting to live lately.

I want to ask you this because a lot of people do not, like I find in the music business. You know, New York is not the place that people really have been wanting to live lately.

Why do you like New York.

Why do you like New York.

It's it's pedestrian mm hmm. It's I like anywhere I can walk around and like get to know It was really cool because it seems like such a big city. And then one day, a couple months into living at my spot, I noticed the same people walking past my house and I was like, oh, I'm in a community. Yeah, you recognize the local homes person and like the girl is when lady walks, she's got a pig that she walks around, so weird. But yeah, I just like the people are more I find them to be more interesting. I don't think i'd live anywhere else in America but New York.

It's it's pedestrian mm hmm. It's I like anywhere I can walk around and like get to know It was really cool because it seems like such a big city. And then one day, a couple months into living at my spot, I noticed the same people walking past my house and I was like, oh, I'm in a community. Yeah, you recognize the local homes person and like the girl is when lady walks, she's got a pig that she walks around, so weird. But yeah, I just like the people are more I find them to be more interesting. I don't think i'd live anywhere else in America but New York.

That's nice to hear because I'm from New York.

That's nice to hear because I'm from New York.

She's a New Yorker.

She's a New Yorker.

Yeah, I'm in New Yorker.

Yeah, I'm in New Yorker.

And so many people like when they come here, they don't love it because it is it can be kind of a cold place.

And so many people like when they come here, they don't love it because it is it can be kind of a cold place.

What didn't you like about New York when you first.

What didn't you like about New York when you first.

It's just daunting, it's so chaotic, and if you don't find where you belong, then it's kind of like, yeah, well this is weird, and it's like it's also boring because there's so much weird stuff that you have that I have no business, you know, or to check out. But you just have to find your which I guess can be said of any city.

It's just daunting, it's so chaotic, and if you don't find where you belong, then it's kind of like, yeah, well this is weird, and it's like it's also boring because there's so much weird stuff that you have that I have no business, you know, or to check out. But you just have to find your which I guess can be said of any city.

Right, you find your tribe.

Right, you find your tribe.

Find your tribe. But I found it, and I like the type of person that likes New York. I like that type of person.

Find your tribe. But I found it, and I like the type of person that likes New York. I like that type of person.

Okay, and you're from Canada. Are you from Toronto?

Okay, and you're from Canada. Are you from Toronto?

Toronto?

Toronto?

That's outside, just outside Toronto, And so I read that you but your parents a farm, Yeah, got a huge farm.

That's outside, just outside Toronto, And so I read that you but your parents a farm, Yeah, got a huge farm.

So what's what's that like when you go there? And do you look forward to that?

So what's what's that like when you go there? And do you look forward to that?

Because I think going from New York to like a farm is completely opposite.

Because I think going from New York to like a farm is completely opposite.

Yeah, and I'm a big I'm a big duality guy, you know, so like I love going over there. It's just it's very peaceful. And that's my parents, Like that's their whole mo o. It's like they're very just like palm chill peaceful. Like they built their own guard helped them build a garden over Covid so they got like a big ass just like tomato and vegetable garden in the back.

Yeah, and I'm a big I'm a big duality guy, you know, so like I love going over there. It's just it's very peaceful. And that's my parents, Like that's their whole mo o. It's like they're very just like palm chill peaceful. Like they built their own guard helped them build a garden over Covid so they got like a big ass just like tomato and vegetable garden in the back.

And yeah, it's real far.

And yeah, it's real far.

It's not. It's like it's it's just a it's just a house with a lot of lamb.

It's not. It's like it's it's just a it's just a house with a lot of lamb.

If you're like milking cows.

If you're like milking cows.

No, no, no no. We got a bunch of dogs. We got like six dogs.

No, no, no no. We got a bunch of dogs. We got like six dogs.

That's a lot.

That's a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now your parents, your parents are Jamaican.

Now your parents, your parents are Jamaican.

My father's Jamaican, okay, and your mom Barbados.

My father's Jamaican, okay, and your mom Barbados.

Okay, Barbados.

Okay, Barbados.

Do you have a nice man Caribbean boy? Yeah.

Do you have a nice man Caribbean boy? Yeah.

People love Toronto for that mix. To listen, the guys used to always be like Caravana, I gotta go.

People love Toronto for that mix. To listen, the guys used to always be like Caravana, I gotta go.

I've never been to it. But did you grow up going to Caravana?

I've never been to it. But did you grow up going to Caravana?

No, no, no, no, no no, I was I was Seven day Adventist and it was always on Saturday.

No, no, no, no, no no, I was I was Seven day Adventist and it was always on Saturday.

Because the churches on Saturday seven day Venus.

Because the churches on Saturday seven day Venus.

So explain because I don't I don't know that much about the religion. So even when it comes to like the music that you do and everything, and I know you grew up in the church, So was that something that was like hard for you.

So explain because I don't I don't know that much about the religion. So even when it comes to like the music that you do and everything, and I know you grew up in the church, So was that something that was like hard for you.

I don't know that much about Seventh.

I don't know that much about Seventh.

Day Adventists, But was it, oh, you're going to be doing this secular music or yeah, but.

Day Adventists, But was it, oh, you're going to be doing this secular music or yeah, but.

I mean it is, it is what it is. But it's like we definitely came up. It's kind of like I describe it like Pentecostal meets Judaism.

I mean it is, it is what it is. But it's like we definitely came up. It's kind of like I describe it like Pentecostal meets Judaism.

Cost kind of like they running, they catching ho and that kind of stuff.

Cost kind of like they running, they catching ho and that kind of stuff.

You know what, then that's not that's that's been a cost. Yeah, that's actually spooks that that spooks itself. I don't know, it's just like it's just Christian but we just worship on Saturday. There's like a couple of things that are like more Judaism that we that we abide by, but like no no pork and.

You know what, then that's not that's that's been a cost. Yeah, that's actually spooks that that spooks itself. I don't know, it's just like it's just Christian but we just worship on Saturday. There's like a couple of things that are like more Judaism that we that we abide by, but like no no pork and.

Did he meat meat but no pork or I was raised vegetarian vegetinia Okay, and then can you is this something like you can't drink during your meal like or something like that or did that make that up?

Did he meat meat but no pork or I was raised vegetarian vegetinia Okay, and then can you is this something like you can't drink during your meal like or something like that or did that make that up?

Well, it's just not encouraged. It depends how they have like a strong health message my fat like my my my dad was actually he's a bodybuilder back in Jamaica growing up, so he's like he's a very disciplined, like uh healthy man, and and so yeah, things like, uh, he always told me if I drink, if I drink liquids and eat while I'm eating soup, I'm gonna catch colic, which I don't even know that.

Well, it's just not encouraged. It depends how they have like a strong health message my fat like my my my dad was actually he's a bodybuilder back in Jamaica growing up, so he's like he's a very disciplined, like uh healthy man, and and so yeah, things like, uh, he always told me if I drink, if I drink liquids and eat while I'm eating soup, I'm gonna catch colic, which I don't even know that.

I haven't heard that, but I did hear that seven eight venus you don't you're supposed to eat then you drink for.

I haven't heard that, but I did hear that seven eight venus you don't you're supposed to eat then you drink for.

Well that's what I've I've been told that, but I don't think that was a I don't know.

Well that's what I've I've been told that, but I don't think that was a I don't know.

Okay, what's your what's your relationship now?

Okay, what's your what's your relationship now?

Like with God?

Like with God?

Because I heard this quote and you said something like you believe you don't you don't so much believe in God, but you believe in God in yourself or something like that, or did I take it out of context?

Because I heard this quote and you said something like you believe you don't you don't so much believe in God, but you believe in God in yourself or something like that, or did I take it out of context?

No, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's complicated. I would say I I believe, you know what I believe. I've never I never understood the whole God thing. I think because I just had this idea of a white guy in the sky with the big beard. Whatever God is. I know that the only time I've ever felt close to it is when the music hits. When when when the choir goes crazy and you get those goosebumps in the hair stands up. That's the only time where I'm like, there's something going on outside of that for me, Like, there's no I've never like maybe once or twice, like a good sermon or something like that, but it's always just like music is. And so outside of that, I don't. I don't like to concern myself because I can be a little I can get a little neurotic with things, and I think about things too much. I just go off the rails because I need things to like, I need absolutes and logic. And then you can't understand God, so.

No, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's complicated. I would say I I believe, you know what I believe. I've never I never understood the whole God thing. I think because I just had this idea of a white guy in the sky with the big beard. Whatever God is. I know that the only time I've ever felt close to it is when the music hits. When when when the choir goes crazy and you get those goosebumps in the hair stands up. That's the only time where I'm like, there's something going on outside of that for me, Like, there's no I've never like maybe once or twice, like a good sermon or something like that, but it's always just like music is. And so outside of that, I don't. I don't like to concern myself because I can be a little I can get a little neurotic with things, and I think about things too much. I just go off the rails because I need things to like, I need absolutes and logic. And then you can't understand God, so.

Okay, but spirituality you understand. Yeah, I feel like, please don't lean has a bit of a gospel tinge to it too.

Okay, but spirituality you understand. Yeah, I feel like, please don't lean has a bit of a gospel tinge to it too.

Oh for sure, that's the yeah. And I can't it's in me, you know what I mean? That's what That's what I was raised on. So it's like it flows out of me.

Oh for sure, that's the yeah. And I can't it's in me, you know what I mean? That's what That's what I was raised on. So it's like it flows out of me.

And then so this is your first time doing a release with a major label, is that correct with Okay, that's a big deal. That it is a big deal because independently you were doing amazing, right, and then it feels like, you know, the pandemic hit and I know that affected a lot of people, but then you ended up signing a deal.

And then so this is your first time doing a release with a major label, is that correct with Okay, that's a big deal. That it is a big deal because independently you were doing amazing, right, and then it feels like, you know, the pandemic hit and I know that affected a lot of people, but then you ended up signing a deal.

So what made you decide this was the time for you to do that?

So what made you decide this was the time for you to do that?

It was I think the pandemic. Everything felt like it had stopped, was slowing down. Just a lot of drama had been happening in my life and I felt like I'm in a cycle. I'm in a rut, and I wasn't excited about things. I was just like, oh, it's just more of this for the rest of my life, Like this this was fun back when we were coming up, and now it's not fun anymore, Like I need a new thing. And then I was just the idea of a major label was in my mind and I was like, if I don't do it, it's because I'm scared and I hate that feeling, you know what I mean. So it's like I was just like, I gotta do it.

It was I think the pandemic. Everything felt like it had stopped, was slowing down. Just a lot of drama had been happening in my life and I felt like I'm in a cycle. I'm in a rut, and I wasn't excited about things. I was just like, oh, it's just more of this for the rest of my life, Like this this was fun back when we were coming up, and now it's not fun anymore, Like I need a new thing. And then I was just the idea of a major label was in my mind and I was like, if I don't do it, it's because I'm scared and I hate that feeling, you know what I mean. So it's like I was just like, I gotta do it.

So what was the fear about the why would why would you be afraid?

So what was the fear about the why would why would you be afraid?

Fear of the unknown? And also I just I have a deep general like distrust for the corporate anything like corporate, you know what I mean. And so it's like, yeah, but I think I don't think I'm am smart enough to handle myself in these spaces, and like, you know what I mean.

Fear of the unknown? And also I just I have a deep general like distrust for the corporate anything like corporate, you know what I mean. And so it's like, yeah, but I think I don't think I'm am smart enough to handle myself in these spaces, and like, you know what I mean.

Do you feel the difference for sure?

Do you feel the difference for sure?

Okay, So for people out there, because you know people, and I think the best way to do it is to start out independent because it it helps you kind of be your own machine and know what it is so that you know what to ask for too. And sometimes people sign a deal super early on and they don't even know what it's like to run their own business. They don't know what to ask for, they don't know what the expectations are. Because you've managed to do so much for yourself, a label should be able to take it to the next level for you then exactly.

Okay, So for people out there, because you know people, and I think the best way to do it is to start out independent because it it helps you kind of be your own machine and know what it is so that you know what to ask for too. And sometimes people sign a deal super early on and they don't even know what it's like to run their own business. They don't know what to ask for, they don't know what the expectations are. Because you've managed to do so much for yourself, a label should be able to take it to the next level for you then exactly.

And also it's people. You build a team of people that know you, and then it's like boutique, you have a tailor made, your strategies are all based off of you. When you go to a label, if they don't know who you are, and you're not a lot of artists are. We're figuring out who we are. We just do things based off of feelings. So you go into a business meeting and you're trying to explain how you feel and what you are, and they're like, it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense, you know what I mean. Yeah, in the beginning, we're making decisions purely based off of feeling, and that's allowed when it's just you and your friends. But when you go to they're like, yo, we just gave you X amount of money. Don't come talking about your feelings, you know what I mean. But once now it's like, now that I've signed, at this point, they I've proven that I can do I can do this, like I'm actually a professional musician, and so I get more lee where they they we have a mutual respect at this point, they respect my ability.

And also it's people. You build a team of people that know you, and then it's like boutique, you have a tailor made, your strategies are all based off of you. When you go to a label, if they don't know who you are, and you're not a lot of artists are. We're figuring out who we are. We just do things based off of feelings. So you go into a business meeting and you're trying to explain how you feel and what you are, and they're like, it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense, you know what I mean. Yeah, in the beginning, we're making decisions purely based off of feeling, and that's allowed when it's just you and your friends. But when you go to they're like, yo, we just gave you X amount of money. Don't come talking about your feelings, you know what I mean. But once now it's like, now that I've signed, at this point, they I've proven that I can do I can do this, like I'm actually a professional musician, and so I get more lee where they they we have a mutual respect at this point, they respect my ability.

Where there are deadlines because I know you signed a deal and they probably like, okay, right to work. But you know, it did seem like you took your time with putting this album together.

Where there are deadlines because I know you signed a deal and they probably like, okay, right to work. But you know, it did seem like you took your time with putting this album together.

For sure, and it was like self imposed deadlines because also I could. If you were like, yo, you can work on this album another four years, you would have did it. I would have did it?

For sure, and it was like self imposed deadlines because also I could. If you were like, yo, you can work on this album another four years, you would have did it. I would have did it?

You really I could?

You really I could?

Yeah, I can. At a certain point, it has to be ripped from my hands.

Yeah, I can. At a certain point, it has to be ripped from my hands.

Oh, because you just keep going, I'll just keep going. Do you find yourself over working a song.

Oh, because you just keep going, I'll just keep going. Do you find yourself over working a song.

I have before? I had before. There's some songs that not very many, honestly, but there's some songs not on this album, but on previous ones where I was like, damn, the best version of that song was like three versions ago, and I kept on. But it is what it is.

I have before? I had before. There's some songs that not very many, honestly, but there's some songs not on this album, but on previous ones where I was like, damn, the best version of that song was like three versions ago, and I kept on. But it is what it is.

What do you prefer performing you're more stripped down songs where it's more like acoustic with you and a guitar, or do you like because on this album you do have songs that are a little different for you, you know, Yeah.

What do you prefer performing you're more stripped down songs where it's more like acoustic with you and a guitar, or do you like because on this album you do have songs that are a little different for you, you know, Yeah.

Yeah, the turn there's I've never really got this turned up on some of these songs, I personally I love. My favorite songs are the songs that I can literally not sing and the crowd will sing the whole.

Yeah, the turn there's I've never really got this turned up on some of these songs, I personally I love. My favorite songs are the songs that I can literally not sing and the crowd will sing the whole.

Okay, do you remember the first time that happened to you where the crowds sang everything you just kind of were quiet.

Okay, do you remember the first time that happened to you where the crowds sang everything you just kind of were quiet.

I don't I just know it was like the first time that conscious of it was like a festival, probably in twenty seventeen and I was maybe like San Francisco or something like that.

I don't I just know it was like the first time that conscious of it was like a festival, probably in twenty seventeen and I was maybe like San Francisco or something like that.

But what song do you think it was?

But what song do you think it was?

Do you remember.

Do you remember.

Always best part?

Always best part?

I can sing that song? Yeah, yeah, that's like a wedding song.

I can sing that song? Yeah, yeah, that's like a wedding song.

It's just yeah, it's just yeah forever.

It's just yeah, it's just yeah forever.

It's one of those ones. It's yeah, I don't.

It's one of those ones. It's yeah, I don't.

That's gonna be around forever forever.

That's gonna be around forever forever.

Yeah, feel classic And you know how rare that is to make a song like that, that's a classic that people are like, I want that song at my wedding, And that wasn't even I'm sure a plan for that, but that is just like the perfect Okay.

Yeah, feel classic And you know how rare that is to make a song like that, that's a classic that people are like, I want that song at my wedding, And that wasn't even I'm sure a plan for that, but that is just like the perfect Okay.

We're getting married.

We're getting married.

Best part. That's like the in love you know, it's the new one.

Best part. That's like the in love you know, it's the new one.

It's like I feel yeah, it's just like my Stevie song or something like.

It's like I feel yeah, it's just like my Stevie song or something like.

You know what I mean, what inspires you with that song? What was going on in your life? Sounds good?

You know what I mean, what inspires you with that song? What was going on in your life? Sounds good?

No, I think at that point I was. At that point I was broken up.

No, I think at that point I was. At that point I was broken up.

Your body language is telling it all.

Your body language is telling it all.

I know. I'm like, no, yeah, I was. I was broken up with that point. But it was just that was that was just that's the type of my core. That's the person that I am. I'm just like a like a simp romantic like you know, and so Gabby was just the best. We sat down and it was like, I think you're amazing. I think you're amazing too. We should pick up a guitar. And then the first thing I played and it just flowed out. It was just so easy. It wasn't like I was stewing on the idea or anything. It's just like it's just flowed out.

I know. I'm like, no, yeah, I was. I was broken up with that point. But it was just that was that was just that's the type of my core. That's the person that I am. I'm just like a like a simp romantic like you know, and so Gabby was just the best. We sat down and it was like, I think you're amazing. I think you're amazing too. We should pick up a guitar. And then the first thing I played and it just flowed out. It was just so easy. It wasn't like I was stewing on the idea or anything. It's just like it's just flowed out.

So it wasn't it wasn't written before, it wasn't done before. You guys kind of did it at the moment.

So it wasn't it wasn't written before, it wasn't done before. You guys kind of did it at the moment.

At the moment, the song took about maybe like four hours total, and at the end we spent another four hours talking about how we just made a classic song. So we knew, we knew, we knew.

At the moment, the song took about maybe like four hours total, and at the end we spent another four hours talking about how we just made a classic song. So we knew, we knew, we knew.

That was so I'm shocked at that because it was a breakup that made you write that song.

That was so I'm shocked at that because it was a breakup that made you write that song.

It was just kind of like it was I did the whole we're broken up, we're together broken up for so long. It's kind of like I don't even know, this is just it's just a close friend that beef with all.

It was just kind of like it was I did the whole we're broken up, we're together broken up for so long. It's kind of like I don't even know, this is just it's just a close friend that beef with all.

The time, like you know, kind of like, oh, you always love her exactly as I love her.

The time, like you know, kind of like, oh, you always love her exactly as I love her.

But yeah, but you know what, actually it is a funny story is a lie. The chorus the chorus I had written, and I tried that chorus on maybe three other songs because I just I do that, Like, I'm very frugal with my songwriting, So if I write something it doesn't come out, it's like a rap verse, I'll just try and put it on this next beat or this next instrumentals that I make. And I tried this song on three three other songs. And my producer that was with me when I pulled it out in that session, he started laughing. He's like, bro, like you're never gonna let this song give up on the chorus. But then it worked and it was Yeah, I knew it was gonna work.

But yeah, but you know what, actually it is a funny story is a lie. The chorus the chorus I had written, and I tried that chorus on maybe three other songs because I just I do that, Like, I'm very frugal with my songwriting, So if I write something it doesn't come out, it's like a rap verse, I'll just try and put it on this next beat or this next instrumentals that I make. And I tried this song on three three other songs. And my producer that was with me when I pulled it out in that session, he started laughing. He's like, bro, like you're never gonna let this song give up on the chorus. But then it worked and it was Yeah, I knew it was gonna work.

Now.

Now.

Talk about experimenting on this new album though, because, like you said, you've done some some different types of sounds on here. Was that your idea or was it people around you that were like, let's, you know, try something a little different, and are you a person that's open to that?

Talk about experimenting on this new album though, because, like you said, you've done some some different types of sounds on here. Was that your idea or was it people around you that were like, let's, you know, try something a little different, and are you a person that's open to that?

Initially, Yeah, honestly, if anything, that's it was absolutely my idea and if anything, I had people around me to remind me that I shouldn't alienate my fans, because if for me, I would have just completely I was R and B. Like especially after the best part something like that, It's like, all right, I got that, I figured that went out. Like let's I like to try and learn new things and conquer things, so like like with a shot my baby or something like that, Like that was the stuff that was getting me.

Initially, Yeah, honestly, if anything, that's it was absolutely my idea and if anything, I had people around me to remind me that I shouldn't alienate my fans, because if for me, I would have just completely I was R and B. Like especially after the best part something like that, It's like, all right, I got that, I figured that went out. Like let's I like to try and learn new things and conquer things, so like like with a shot my baby or something like that, Like that was the stuff that was getting me.

Excited, Like.

Excited, Like.

It's crazy. I always when I think about that, that one and like Unstoppable, those ones make me think of the first time I ever heard Runaway. I remember I was in my parents' room because they had the radio in their room and they were out at work or something, and I was like lying on their floor and I heard Runaway, and I remember thinking, like this is the take a guy, like you're allowed to do this? Like I didn't know because it's like you you have this is not like I just want to be like R and B artists, but like you may show my baby, Like what does that even mean? What does that mean for genres?

It's crazy. I always when I think about that, that one and like Unstoppable, those ones make me think of the first time I ever heard Runaway. I remember I was in my parents' room because they had the radio in their room and they were out at work or something, and I was like lying on their floor and I heard Runaway, and I remember thinking, like this is the take a guy, like you're allowed to do this? Like I didn't know because it's like you you have this is not like I just want to be like R and B artists, but like you may show my baby, Like what does that even mean? What does that mean for genres?

What? Like, yeah, you don't want to be put in a box of anything boxes? Yeah, and then you have Summer Walker on the remix, and you got Rick Ross on the remix too, so you put out these additional songs you know as well? I love that too because Always, I'm not gonna lie, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people have said Always is their favorite song on the album, you know, so I you know, like that idea.

What? Like, yeah, you don't want to be put in a box of anything boxes? Yeah, and then you have Summer Walker on the remix, and you got Rick Ross on the remix too, so you put out these additional songs you know as well? I love that too because Always, I'm not gonna lie, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people have said Always is their favorite song on the album, you know, so I you know, like that idea.

So was it Summer Walker?

So was it Summer Walker?

You have been in conversations for you guys to do something together or did you hear it and be like, Okay, I want to get her on this.

You have been in conversations for you guys to do something together or did you hear it and be like, Okay, I want to get her on this.

Yeah? It was just the Solomon is sitting around for a while and and we were just talking about, like, yo, we should we should have we should get someone on this. And I was just like, oh, Summer obviously, you know what I mean.

Yeah? It was just the Solomon is sitting around for a while and and we were just talking about, like, yo, we should we should have we should get someone on this. And I was just like, oh, Summer obviously, you know what I mean.

Obviously, yeah, Summer.

Obviously, yeah, Summer.

Did you work with Rafael sa Beak on this project?

Did you work with Rafael sa Beak on this project?

Yeah? Okay, that was that was fun. That was probably some up there for my favorite sessions on this project. He's like, he's so sick.

Yeah? Okay, that was that was fun. That was probably some up there for my favorite sessions on this project. He's like, he's so sick.

Yeah, he's amazing.

Yeah, he's amazing.

Yeah, just the coolest guy ever. And so we were working. We did a two day session and the first day was great, we made some cool stuff, and then the second day we're working on this song on do you like me, and he brought in Dylan Wiggins nephew, and Dylan is going absolutely crazy right now, like every every good album that's out, like Dylan is producing on it. And we just clicked in that session really well. And then I was just like, oh, I want this guy to produce the whole thing.

Yeah, just the coolest guy ever. And so we were working. We did a two day session and the first day was great, we made some cool stuff, and then the second day we're working on this song on do you like me, and he brought in Dylan Wiggins nephew, and Dylan is going absolutely crazy right now, like every every good album that's out, like Dylan is producing on it. And we just clicked in that session really well. And then I was just like, oh, I want this guy to produce the whole thing.

And how many people like who are some of the people that you feel surreal to have work with that.

And how many people like who are some of the people that you feel surreal to have work with that.

I know you wrote for Mary J.

I know you wrote for Mary J.

Blige before too, And I can't even imagine what that experience was like because she just seemed like she would be real, super cool.

Blige before too, And I can't even imagine what that experience was like because she just seemed like she would be real, super cool.

She was just in there. She has her candle, she likes she loves Twizzlers. But was yeah, I know, yeah, it was great. And then endorsement, Yeah, we gotta gotta help her up with I love Brandy. Brandy was crazy. She Brandy loves and she it's like a World of Warcraft head so really yo, she loves World of Warcraft. And I was like, I never made me love her so much. I was like, in a thousand years, I never would have guessed that the World of Warcraft. And she like a few accounts. She's like, yo, I could sell this account for like ten grands. Ran by the way, so random. It was really cool though, I really really She's Yeah, she's amazing. She's sometimes I'm like, there's no way she's a real person. She's just like so sweet and like real, and she voices you sing insane. Now.

She was just in there. She has her candle, she likes she loves Twizzlers. But was yeah, I know, yeah, it was great. And then endorsement, Yeah, we gotta gotta help her up with I love Brandy. Brandy was crazy. She Brandy loves and she it's like a World of Warcraft head so really yo, she loves World of Warcraft. And I was like, I never made me love her so much. I was like, in a thousand years, I never would have guessed that the World of Warcraft. And she like a few accounts. She's like, yo, I could sell this account for like ten grands. Ran by the way, so random. It was really cool though, I really really She's Yeah, she's amazing. She's sometimes I'm like, there's no way she's a real person. She's just like so sweet and like real, and she voices you sing insane. Now.

You also worked with your brother on this album, right? Didn't he also write and co produce Valentina?

You also worked with your brother on this album, right? Didn't he also write and co produce Valentina?

He did? Okay, he has the He wrote the there's a reference track out there that I'm gonna leak one day. But he came up with it. It's it's his concept, and then I took it and ran with it.

He did? Okay, he has the He wrote the there's a reference track out there that I'm gonna leak one day. But he came up with it. It's it's his concept, and then I took it and ran with it.

So you've never been a side piece.

So you've never been a side piece.

No, uh, I have, but I don't believe anymore. I'll never do it again.

No, uh, I have, but I don't believe anymore. I'll never do it again.

Why you say you'll never do it again?

Why you say you'll never do it again?

I was saying this to someone the other day. There is don't even if you can be with with the woman that's being un faithful on her, man, you shouldn't because it jades your whole world. And there's nothing there's nothing scarier than being with a woman and then like her boyfriend calls or something and you see and she lies to him, and you realize, like he will never find out, and you know he'll never find out, and you're like, oh, there's so much smarter than us, and then it's just gets so it's like I'll never do it again. I've seen it and I was like, oh no, I don't like this.

I was saying this to someone the other day. There is don't even if you can be with with the woman that's being un faithful on her, man, you shouldn't because it jades your whole world. And there's nothing there's nothing scarier than being with a woman and then like her boyfriend calls or something and you see and she lies to him, and you realize, like he will never find out, and you know he'll never find out, and you're like, oh, there's so much smarter than us, and then it's just gets so it's like I'll never do it again. I've seen it and I was like, oh no, I don't like this.

And then you feel crazy because you got to be quiet. Yeah, you got to be made quiet as a mouse.

And then you feel crazy because you got to be quiet. Yeah, you got to be made quiet as a mouse.

Were you famous at the time, were you well known or is this pre Yeah you were known at the time. Yeah, it can you love? That's so funny to me's.

Were you famous at the time, were you well known or is this pre Yeah you were known at the time. Yeah, it can you love? That's so funny to me's.

Crazy And then it's like sometimes it's like a guy you might look like you or something. It's like, bro, this could just be It could so easily be me. It might be me one day if I'm not careful, like I got to like get my caramel right now.

Crazy And then it's like sometimes it's like a guy you might look like you or something. It's like, bro, this could just be It could so easily be me. It might be me one day if I'm not careful, like I got to like get my caramel right now.

Toronto twenty fourteen is also a song on the album, and that is a special time for you, special place.

Toronto twenty fourteen is also a song on the album, and that is a special time for you, special place.

So what do you put?

So what do you put?

Obviously, like you dream of being successful, this is where you want to be in twenty fourteen. I'm sure you can never have envision you know what's happening for you now, but it does come with this challenges, right, So can you talk about like just it's the difference in life between Toronto and twenty fourteen and Daniel sees it here in New York in twenty twenty three.

Obviously, like you dream of being successful, this is where you want to be in twenty fourteen. I'm sure you can never have envision you know what's happening for you now, but it does come with this challenges, right, So can you talk about like just it's the difference in life between Toronto and twenty fourteen and Daniel sees it here in New York in twenty twenty three.

It's it was simpler back then, Like now you have to worry about how you're perceived by other people. And before it was like I would only worry about it when I felt like worrying about it. But it's like, I could you go back to pictures. I was just a dusty I was a dusty kid, you know what I mean, dusty, crusty, musty, all the usties, all the usties, and it was fine, Like that's always been like that's you know what I mean, Like that's always kind of been my vibe because I'm like a dusty vibe. I make music. I'm really good at that. I'm not a model. I'm not. I'm not like I, you know what I mean. So I can get up, get out of bed, and do what I want as long as I ended in the studio the other day. But now it's kind of like, yo, I can't just I can't just get out and go down to the bodega looking any kind of way because people stop me and they're like, Yo, how's it going on?

It's it was simpler back then, Like now you have to worry about how you're perceived by other people. And before it was like I would only worry about it when I felt like worrying about it. But it's like, I could you go back to pictures. I was just a dusty I was a dusty kid, you know what I mean, dusty, crusty, musty, all the usties, all the usties, and it was fine, Like that's always been like that's you know what I mean, Like that's always kind of been my vibe because I'm like a dusty vibe. I make music. I'm really good at that. I'm not a model. I'm not. I'm not like I, you know what I mean. So I can get up, get out of bed, and do what I want as long as I ended in the studio the other day. But now it's kind of like, yo, I can't just I can't just get out and go down to the bodega looking any kind of way because people stop me and they're like, Yo, how's it going on?

You got to moisturized? You look a moisturized it.

You got to moisturized? You look a moisturized it.

I did but you know, on God, I walked out of the apartment this where I looked down and my knuckles were white, white, white, white white.

I did but you know, on God, I walked out of the apartment this where I looked down and my knuckles were white, white, white, white white.

Do you lotion after you shower and stuff? Yeah?

Do you lotion after you shower and stuff? Yeah?

Do okay, but some naturally dry scales. So I just like in the wrong weather, it's just yeah, you know.

Do okay, but some naturally dry scales. So I just like in the wrong weather, it's just yeah, you know.

It's the worst for me because I get very ashy and I shouldn't like people and I can see my ass.

It's the worst for me because I get very ashy and I shouldn't like people and I can see my ass.

I can see my ash Yeah, it was a little cool.

I can see my ash Yeah, it was a little cool.

And especially during COVID, you have to like always constantly wash your hands.

And especially during COVID, you have to like always constantly wash your hands.

I was like, I am so ashy all the time.

I was like, I am so ashy all the time.

But what was the question about?

But what was the question about?

So we were talking about the difference between Toronto and twenty fourteen, and then Daniel sees it here in New York in twenty twenty three. Because while there's some great benefits, it's also challenges that come with that.

So we were talking about the difference between Toronto and twenty fourteen, and then Daniel sees it here in New York in twenty twenty three. Because while there's some great benefits, it's also challenges that come with that.

Yeah, so yeah, I would say, yeah, like being perceived and like having to think about that all the time, like there's something you have to train. It's just that I want to enjoy myself all the time, and those are things I don't enjoy.

Yeah, so yeah, I would say, yeah, like being perceived and like having to think about that all the time, like there's something you have to train. It's just that I want to enjoy myself all the time, and those are things I don't enjoy.

You can't just say what you think because it's gonna be taken very differently coming from you than it is by a random person on social media, and you have definite.

You can't just say what you think because it's gonna be taken very differently coming from you than it is by a random person on social media, and you have definite.

I learned that. I learned that the hard way. And also like I also learned, Yeah, everything you do you have to take into account. You have to live your life based on the thickest person, like the like the person that's last of the joke. You have to think about them at all times, you know what I mean. It's like in society, like you have to tell you have to put up signs saying like what's a good example, Like you got to tell people not to just run into the middle of the road while there's traffic going on, Like that should be obvious, But you have to put up these signs. You have to tell people. On a coffee cup, you have to tell people wait until it's cool before you drink it, because some people won't and they'll burn and then they'll sue you.

I learned that. I learned that the hard way. And also like I also learned, Yeah, everything you do you have to take into account. You have to live your life based on the thickest person, like the like the person that's last of the joke. You have to think about them at all times, you know what I mean. It's like in society, like you have to tell you have to put up signs saying like what's a good example, Like you got to tell people not to just run into the middle of the road while there's traffic going on, Like that should be obvious, But you have to put up these signs. You have to tell people. On a coffee cup, you have to tell people wait until it's cool before you drink it, because some people won't and they'll burn and then they'll sue you.

You have to be more responsible.

You have to be more responsible.

That's way better way.

That's way better way.

Yeah, they're more responsible.

Yeah, they're more responsible.

See that was irresponsible. What I just was you just happen, Okay, But yeah, you know what I mean, And so these things like that, I don't it's just it's simply just I don't enjoy it. Because I also have a bad habit of like complaining about these things sometimes when people close to me can I'm winding about things that seem so inconsequential because me four years ago, when I was Dusty Musty, I would have given anything to have these issues, and so I'm trying to be conscious of that and not complain because this is I love my life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

See that was irresponsible. What I just was you just happen, Okay, But yeah, you know what I mean, And so these things like that, I don't it's just it's simply just I don't enjoy it. Because I also have a bad habit of like complaining about these things sometimes when people close to me can I'm winding about things that seem so inconsequential because me four years ago, when I was Dusty Musty, I would have given anything to have these issues, and so I'm trying to be conscious of that and not complain because this is I love my life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Right.

Right.

I saw you right on Twitter that you love me life, but then you also said, why is it only ugly people telling me you're ugly?

I saw you right on Twitter that you love me life, but then you also said, why is it only ugly people telling me you're ugly?

It's just crazy.

It's just crazy.

Even before you told me we were interview him.

Even before you told me we were interview him.

I was like, that's so funny, so crazy, because it's true.

I was like, that's so funny, so crazy, because it's true.

Man.

Man.

I'm really like, you know, I used to I used to feel so I used to feel like I was ugly, and then I was just like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm actually I'm very I'm a handsome young man. But but then I'll just be feeling myself and I'll just be on my shit. And then every time I see someone telling me that I'm ugly, I go with I'm like, let me do some reason, let me see who this person is. I mean, I'm never I'm never like, damn, you know.

I'm really like, you know, I used to I used to feel so I used to feel like I was ugly, and then I was just like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm actually I'm very I'm a handsome young man. But but then I'll just be feeling myself and I'll just be on my shit. And then every time I see someone telling me that I'm ugly, I go with I'm like, let me do some reason, let me see who this person is. I mean, I'm never I'm never like, damn, you know.

What I mean.

What I mean.

Yeah, I think the fact is that the people who are like happy in their lives. And I always say this, it's never somebody that can dress well telling you you can't dress or somebody that's like attractive telling because they don't think about that like people that you know. I just feel like, if you're happy and who you are, and you want other people to feel that way too, So you don't go like bashing people unless you don't feel good about yourself exactly.

Yeah, I think the fact is that the people who are like happy in their lives. And I always say this, it's never somebody that can dress well telling you you can't dress or somebody that's like attractive telling because they don't think about that like people that you know. I just feel like, if you're happy and who you are, and you want other people to feel that way too, So you don't go like bashing people unless you don't feel good about yourself exactly.

And also it's one thing to think something, but it's another thing to actually write it and tweet it and post it. Like I just like it's a little weird.

And also it's one thing to think something, but it's another thing to actually write it and tweet it and post it. Like I just like it's a little weird.

It's it can be a little weird, it's and yeah, people, it's unfortunate people. A lot of people just don't have better things to do. And that's I mean, that's I don't know whose fault that is, but that just is what it is. And I have to remember for myself, go.

It's it can be a little weird, it's and yeah, people, it's unfortunate people. A lot of people just don't have better things to do. And that's I mean, that's I don't know whose fault that is, but that just is what it is. And I have to remember for myself, go.

To your farm and take a moment.

To your farm and take a moment.

Yeah, I got things I can do, Definitely, I got things to do exacinitely. I don't have I honestly don't have time to be reading comments about me and that's a waste of my time when I do that.

Yeah, I got things I can do, Definitely, I got things to do exacinitely. I don't have I honestly don't have time to be reading comments about me and that's a waste of my time when I do that.

Okay, did you really ever think at a time that you were going to be like canceled forever?

Okay, did you really ever think at a time that you were going to be like canceled forever?

Was that a fear of yours or did you feel like I'll be okay?

Was that a fear of yours or did you feel like I'll be okay?

No, I felt I felt like I never like canceled. Just what it's kind of like. I never felt like I would go broke or something like that. Like I just felt like people wouldn't like me forever. And I still I feel like that all the time, Like the majority of people would not like me. Do I think that people are gonna I know they're gonna listen to my music because it's good, but are they gonna like I also have to deal with them hating me and wanting the worst from me and expressing that to me because I don't I'm too I'm very sensitive, but like that is what it is, and that's kind of I created that scenario myself.

No, I felt I felt like I never like canceled. Just what it's kind of like. I never felt like I would go broke or something like that. Like I just felt like people wouldn't like me forever. And I still I feel like that all the time, Like the majority of people would not like me. Do I think that people are gonna I know they're gonna listen to my music because it's good, but are they gonna like I also have to deal with them hating me and wanting the worst from me and expressing that to me because I don't I'm too I'm very sensitive, but like that is what it is, and that's kind of I created that scenario myself.

That's all right.

That's all right.

But I also feel like taking accountability and responsibility is an important thing for sure. Yeah, and even for you, Like I'm glad you put out an album because I've always been a Daniel Cesar fan and I've always said that and so I just feel like sometimes we can like go into a like I don't even want to put myself out there because I don't want to. It's worse than what we think it is at times. I think it is a lot of people that like with tweet, but I see a lot of positive responses with the music. So how do you feel now that the album is out?

But I also feel like taking accountability and responsibility is an important thing for sure. Yeah, and even for you, Like I'm glad you put out an album because I've always been a Daniel Cesar fan and I've always said that and so I just feel like sometimes we can like go into a like I don't even want to put myself out there because I don't want to. It's worse than what we think it is at times. I think it is a lot of people that like with tweet, but I see a lot of positive responses with the music. So how do you feel now that the album is out?

I feel the same. I Yeah, I think the people the naysayers, I don't think they were ever fans to begin with. I was just someone that they knew of, right, And yeah, I think that most there's always like everyone, it's the sounding majority, you know what I mean. I think most people want here and are pleased with it. And I know in my heart that excuse me that I did my very best and I believe in my heart this is my best work. And so the people that that roll with me, like I wrote for them and I stayed down and I put my everything into this project and this is for them.

I feel the same. I Yeah, I think the people the naysayers, I don't think they were ever fans to begin with. I was just someone that they knew of, right, And yeah, I think that most there's always like everyone, it's the sounding majority, you know what I mean. I think most people want here and are pleased with it. And I know in my heart that excuse me that I did my very best and I believe in my heart this is my best work. And so the people that that roll with me, like I wrote for them and I stayed down and I put my everything into this project and this is for them.

And you've accomplished a lot even prior to this, You've always been a fan of John Mayor. Yeah, right, and then you had the opportunity to really hang out with him.

And you've accomplished a lot even prior to this, You've always been a fan of John Mayor. Yeah, right, and then you had the opportunity to really hang out with him.

How did that happen?

How did that happen?

How did that happen. I think he reached out. He reached out to me. He reached out to me or to like my management or something like that. But my guys were just like, yo, John Mayor, he has this song that he wants you to hop on. You were like, what a remix? I was, Oh my god, he is the reason I can play guitar, Like my dad. My dad's actually here today. He'll tell you, like he is, yeah, so crazy. I know he's never we've never done this before, but he's he's here today, m hm. And you'll tell you Yeah. I used to just I used to terrorize them in the house just they got me a guitar for my tenth birthday and I would just play the same song over and over, over and over. Yeah, and it was always John Mayra.

How did that happen. I think he reached out. He reached out to me. He reached out to me or to like my management or something like that. But my guys were just like, yo, John Mayor, he has this song that he wants you to hop on. You were like, what a remix? I was, Oh my god, he is the reason I can play guitar, Like my dad. My dad's actually here today. He'll tell you, like he is, yeah, so crazy. I know he's never we've never done this before, but he's he's here today, m hm. And you'll tell you Yeah. I used to just I used to terrorize them in the house just they got me a guitar for my tenth birthday and I would just play the same song over and over, over and over. Yeah, and it was always John Mayra.

And then he just knew who you were and just was reaching out to you. What's been that like the craziest person that you're like, I can't believe this person like early on in your career that let you know this is really happening.

And then he just knew who you were and just was reaching out to you. What's been that like the craziest person that you're like, I can't believe this person like early on in your career that let you know this is really happening.

Hmm, early like who.

Hmm, early like who.

Was on it? Super early that.

Was on it? Super early that.

Because sometimes that like that validation is like continues got it going?

Because sometimes that like that validation is like continues got it going?

Yeah, path the manager path like a Chance Toll manager. That was one that I was like, Oh, I can really do this, like he knows you know's who I am. That's early I'm trying to think everywhere and like it was like people but honestly my yeah, like like my managers at the time, Jordan Evans and Matthew Burnett, like they were like local, local, hometown heroes, like they had produced a bunch of like not a bunch of but like some Drake songs and then not Afraid for Eminem they did that with boy Wanda, and they came to me and they're like, Yo, we think that you can. We think that you can do this. You want to produce your album, And that for me was like really all that I needed to be like, oh, I'm I can do this.

Yeah, path the manager path like a Chance Toll manager. That was one that I was like, Oh, I can really do this, like he knows you know's who I am. That's early I'm trying to think everywhere and like it was like people but honestly my yeah, like like my managers at the time, Jordan Evans and Matthew Burnett, like they were like local, local, hometown heroes, like they had produced a bunch of like not a bunch of but like some Drake songs and then not Afraid for Eminem they did that with boy Wanda, and they came to me and they're like, Yo, we think that you can. We think that you can do this. You want to produce your album, And that for me was like really all that I needed to be like, oh, I'm I can do this.

And were you always having some type of business acumen? Like did you have your business together? We always hear stories of people they were like and I was just like, yeah, let's go, and I signed it and.

And were you always having some type of business acumen? Like did you have your business together? We always hear stories of people they were like and I was just like, yeah, let's go, and I signed it and.

Yeah, no, I wouldn't I want to describe myself as a businessman. I would describe myself as I'm not I'm not a dummy. And we were I understand people to a certain point. It's like we were just all in it together, and so we we we The original idea was that we were going to They're gonna make an album for me, and then I was just gonna go off signed to a label. I was gonna pay them back their cut and I would be a label artist. And then after the success of the first two projects, we were all just working along so well, and I was just like, Yo, let's just make a company together. Let's just do this together. And they're the brains, you know what I mean, right, but we're all we all just own it, okay, thirty.

Yeah, no, I wouldn't I want to describe myself as a businessman. I would describe myself as I'm not I'm not a dummy. And we were I understand people to a certain point. It's like we were just all in it together, and so we we we The original idea was that we were going to They're gonna make an album for me, and then I was just gonna go off signed to a label. I was gonna pay them back their cut and I would be a label artist. And then after the success of the first two projects, we were all just working along so well, and I was just like, Yo, let's just make a company together. Let's just do this together. And they're the brains, you know what I mean, right, but we're all we all just own it, okay, thirty.

Yeah, I was gonna ask you about your fans. I know that you said during the pandemic you felt like some distance or you didn't really they didn't really understand you, or something along those lines. Do you feel like your relationship with your fans is better or is it the same?

Yeah, I was gonna ask you about your fans. I know that you said during the pandemic you felt like some distance or you didn't really they didn't really understand you, or something along those lines. Do you feel like your relationship with your fans is better or is it the same?

Yeah? But also I think it's really about my relationship with myself because the fans are whatever it is, it's it's real, but it's also not real, you know what I mean. They don't know me. And every time someone tells you that they love you but they've never met you, what is that really?

Yeah? But also I think it's really about my relationship with myself because the fans are whatever it is, it's it's real, but it's also not real, you know what I mean. They don't know me. And every time someone tells you that they love you but they've never met you, what is that really?

That's just they love what they know about you. Yeah, they love your work. They love your art.

That's just they love what they know about you. Yeah, they love your work. They love your art.

Exactly, And so it's it's my listenhip with myself. When I'm cool with myself, then I'm fun to be around, and then I'm fun to it's fun to interact with my fans.

Exactly, And so it's it's my listenhip with myself. When I'm cool with myself, then I'm fun to be around, and then I'm fun to it's fun to interact with my fans.

And you said you also have three albums of music waiting to come out.

And you said you also have three albums of music waiting to come out.

Yeah, so three full albums.

Yeah, so three full albums.

No, I just mean three albums worth. So I don't have like concepts and our covers and all that stuff. I just have I've made three iterations of this album, okay, And so I have a bunch of I have a lot of songs.

No, I just mean three albums worth. So I don't have like concepts and our covers and all that stuff. I just have I've made three iterations of this album, okay, And so I have a bunch of I have a lot of songs.

What are you gonna do with them?

What are you gonna do with them?

My plan? I would like to have a period of high output. You know, remember when the Migos was dropping and felt like every three months.

My plan? I would like to have a period of high output. You know, remember when the Migos was dropping and felt like every three months.

And little way to remember little.

And little way to remember little.

I feel like he said the standard crazy.

I feel like he said the standard crazy.

Yeah, definitely not nearly frequents. No, I'm not trying to flood the market, but definitely I have some other I have. And also I'm so versatile, like I have so many different types of music. I enjoy making and I believe in like a project being a complete thought. So it's like I'd love to like have my punk album and my gospel album, you know, like all these different things, and I mean, we'll see what happens. This could we might see me in four years. And I haven'tdropped anything.

Yeah, definitely not nearly frequents. No, I'm not trying to flood the market, but definitely I have some other I have. And also I'm so versatile, like I have so many different types of music. I enjoy making and I believe in like a project being a complete thought. So it's like I'd love to like have my punk album and my gospel album, you know, like all these different things, and I mean, we'll see what happens. This could we might see me in four years. And I haven'tdropped anything.

Would you ever consider rapping?

Would you ever consider rapping?

Oh?

Oh?

I have, but I'm always discouraged from it. I don't think I'm very good at it, but I have and I in my heart, in.

I have, but I'm always discouraged from it. I don't think I'm very good at it, but I have and I in my heart, in.

My heart, are you in the shower?

My heart, are you in the shower?

No one believes in me, but I believe.

No one believes in me, but I believe.

Sometimes that's hard for you decide what to put on this album because you probably being that you have so much music. I'm sure some of the songs are amazing, but then it's also like what fits together.

Sometimes that's hard for you decide what to put on this album because you probably being that you have so much music. I'm sure some of the songs are amazing, but then it's also like what fits together.

Yeah, it was very difficult. And also this is the longest. I don't I generally, I've always told people I don't believe in fifteen song albums. Anything more than twelve songs feels generally. But this, this is this album. That's what it told me. It wanted to be, you know, right, and then structuring like secret singing, trying to tell a story sonically and lyrically. It was tricky, but we got it.

Yeah, it was very difficult. And also this is the longest. I don't I generally, I've always told people I don't believe in fifteen song albums. Anything more than twelve songs feels generally. But this, this is this album. That's what it told me. It wanted to be, you know, right, and then structuring like secret singing, trying to tell a story sonically and lyrically. It was tricky, but we got it.

I love Howister, I love Ota Rios in the beginning as the first song.

I love Howister, I love Ota Rios in the beginning as the first song.

It's a good one.

It's a good one.

Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah.

Me ready to go on vacation, know right, Well, listen, I do want to thank you for coming by, Daniel Caesar, because I've always wanted to have you on the show, even when I was on The Breakfast Club.

Me ready to go on vacation, know right, Well, listen, I do want to thank you for coming by, Daniel Caesar, because I've always wanted to have you on the show, even when I was on The Breakfast Club.

And now I have my own show and your boy chocolate, yeah, which.

And now I have my own show and your boy chocolate, yeah, which.

You know I have promised myself I'm gonna cut back on the candy, but now I'll start next week next I did all the time next week.

You know I have promised myself I'm gonna cut back on the candy, but now I'll start next week next I did all the time next week.

Are there anything here, any shrooms or anything?

Are there anything here, any shrooms or anything?

Okay, next if you're into it next time, she is.

Okay, next if you're into it next time, she is.

Have you ever had any crazy experiences shrooming?

Have you ever had any crazy experiences shrooming?

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

I had some amazing cries.

I had some amazing cries.

It's a good cry. It's a laughing so hard. I've had it where I was laughing so hard I couldn't stop crying.

It's a good cry. It's a laughing so hard. I've had it where I was laughing so hard I couldn't stop crying.

See, So I had that's close. I had one where I was I was in a bad place. I was in a bad place, and I remember I was with the group of my friends and I'm like, I'm not crying for my friends crazy and so I We're in a hot tub and I go over to the to the the pool next to it, and I'm just in there for myself and I want to cry, and I start like laughing maniacally like the joke or something, but it's just like and I couldn't start. It was like really loud, obnoxious. But I realized that laugh it like a good laugh and a good cry. They could like there's.

See, So I had that's close. I had one where I was I was in a bad place. I was in a bad place, and I remember I was with the group of my friends and I'm like, I'm not crying for my friends crazy and so I We're in a hot tub and I go over to the to the the pool next to it, and I'm just in there for myself and I want to cry, and I start like laughing maniacally like the joke or something, but it's just like and I couldn't start. It was like really loud, obnoxious. But I realized that laugh it like a good laugh and a good cry. They could like there's.

A there's a fine line between them, right.

A there's a fine line between them, right.

Yeah, they might be two sides of the same coin or something. You know, it's a release.

Yeah, they might be two sides of the same coin or something. You know, it's a release.

Yeah, it was good. It's a release, all right, So look you're in New York. I mean yeah, because it was an amazing it's amazing. Jasmin's never tried it, so I see.